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| kanzure | "the architects of interesting sciences and technologies (taoists)" | 00:34 |
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| * kanzure waits to hear nsh chuckle | 00:34 | |
| * kanzure frowns | 00:35 | |
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| fenn | hanging out with sid tonight; his recent thoughts: http://thetechnologist.tv/blog/2010-storm-drones | 06:30 |
| fenn | mostly apple-bashing | 06:31 |
| fenn | i discovered the "playstation eye" is a really great webcam; updates fast (60fps even in low light) and good resolution | 06:32 |
| fenn | not sure what to do with 4 microphones | 06:32 |
| fenn | heh and ~2x zoom lens | 06:35 |
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| fenn | damn trader joe's chocolate... i thought i knew beter | 07:53 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did steve get you addicted to trader joe's? | 09:35 |
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| * nsh belatedly chuckles | 10:19 | |
| kanzure | >:( | 10:25 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/analysis.20100202 | 10:25 |
| kanzure | 12.75 netizens/day. hrm | 10:25 |
| kanzure | that doesn't make sense, 13 new people per day? | 10:26 |
| kanzure | it doesn't feel like that at all | 10:26 |
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| kanzure | hm: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2009-to-2010.png | 11:09 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2004-to-2010.png | 11:10 |
| kanzure | my tails are all backwards o_O | 11:10 |
| kanzure | big image version: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2004-to-2010-points.png | 11:18 |
| kanzure | hm if i had collected time data i could do some fancy 3d plots (like how long was spent with eachperson) | 11:23 |
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| kanzure | "a biopunk manifesto" http://maradydd.livejournal.com/496085.html | 11:56 |
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| kanzure | http://fora.humanityplus.org/ | 12:53 |
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| kanzure | http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/index.php/Sources | 13:02 |
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| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/text/The%20Cambridge%20Handbook%20of%20Expertise%20and%20Expert%20Performance.pdf | 13:27 |
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| ybit | kanzure: what's the point of the meetlog? | 13:37 |
| ybit | just to something keep you busy, perhaps | 13:37 |
| ybit | i.e. data to play with | 13:39 |
| ybit | http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/index.php/Sources | 13:46 |
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| ybit | anyone know of something like feh for browsing through images on an external web server? | 15:46 |
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| ybit | gwenview | 16:39 |
| ybit | "Fuck you, I'm an anteater" :D | 17:22 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/images/pictures/anteater.jpg | 17:23 |
| ybit | fenn, kanzure, whomever had that on their hdd, thanks. | 17:24 |
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| ybit | kanzure: http://bayimg.com/image/eakeiaacc.jpg | 17:39 |
| ybit | you show up in my search results for 'computational neuroscience' when i'm logged into my google account | 17:40 |
| ybit | you can see in the konqueror browser that i'm not logged in and you don't pop up | 17:40 |
| kanzure | ybit: i suggest browsing at 100 results per page on google | 17:41 |
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| kanzure | "After the big tsunami, the only structure still standing in the wiped-out village of Malacca was a statue of Mahatma Gandhi. I wanna be able to stand like that. Even after getting gargled and spanked and spit out by God." | 17:50 |
| ybit | ah, it was superkuh, thanks superkuh | 17:58 |
| kanzure | ybit: the meetlog is me keeping track of rates of change | 18:00 |
| ybit | i guess it isn't so terrible | 18:02 |
| ybit | while you're at it, create a small program which keeps up with what i'm viewing 24/7 | 18:02 |
| kanzure | also it helps me remember when i last talked with people | 18:02 |
| ybit | or at least on the comp. | 18:02 |
| kanzure | a processactogram? | 18:03 |
| ybit | http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/processactogram.pl | 18:03 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:03 |
| ybit | hrm | 18:03 |
| ybit | kanzure: have you actually used it/ | 18:06 |
| ybit | superkuh: do you have any data to share after running the script? | 18:06 |
| kanzure | no i have not used it | 18:16 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/actogramexample12days_small.png | 18:16 |
| kanzure | requires: GD::Simple, DB_File, Proc::ProcessTable, X11::IdleTime, X11 utility 'xprop' | 18:17 |
| ybit | superkuh: anything larger? | 18:18 |
| ybit | ah, i see | 18:18 |
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| jdugger | Hello, all. | 19:11 |
| ybit | hey jdugger | 19:11 |
| jdugger | Argh! I move away from Saint Louis and it gets a hacker space? I might reconsider my opinion of that city. | 19:21 |
| superkuh | ybit: http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/actogramexample12days_big.png | 19:29 |
| kanzure | i failed | 19:34 |
| kanzure | ybit: are you working on the autovoter for cubespawn? | 19:41 |
| kanzure | or do i have to do that? | 19:41 |
| kanzure | ugh. contract negotiation sucks | 19:44 |
| jdugger | Heh, heh, heh. | 19:44 |
| kanzure | "how about $150k/year?" "how about no?" | 19:44 |
| kanzure | jdugger: do you have any experience in this? | 19:44 |
| jdugger | Just hard knocks. | 19:44 |
| kanzure | i'm hiring a lawyer, but this guy's expensive | 19:44 |
| jdugger | That's a good idea. | 19:45 |
| jdugger | I found employers took more seriously after I mentioned an attorney on retainer. | 19:45 |
| jdugger | took me, rather. | 19:45 |
| ybit | kanzure: i plan on it, but my attention span sucks in general | 19:47 |
| jdugger | ybit: No insult meant, but have you tried a calendar? | 19:50 |
| kanzure | ok i'll finish it | 19:50 |
| kanzure | sigh | 19:50 |
| jdugger | ybit: Seriously, if you cultivate the habit of checking it, they tend to help. | 19:50 |
| ybit | jdugger: i have way too many items that i want to do | 19:59 |
| ybit | organizing it is difficult for me | 19:59 |
| ybit | my wallpaper has the immediate todo items, but i don't have a calendar or a set time for anything | 20:00 |
| ybit | modafinil would help | 20:02 |
| kanzure | a kick in the ass would help | 20:03 |
| * kanzure shakes his head | 20:04 | |
| jdugger | Try to automate as much as you can, and keep a permanent written record of your "want to do" items. | 20:04 |
| jdugger | David Allen's GTD method, now that the hype's faded, has some useful techniques. | 20:05 |
| ybit | apparently GTD and org-mode work great together | 20:05 |
| jdugger | So I'm told, but I lack sufficient emacs-fu to test it. | 20:06 |
| jdugger | I can't tell you much about Provigil. I've never tried it. | 20:06 |
| ybit | !logs | 20:07 |
| hplusbot | ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt | 20:07 |
| ybit | i've talked about it before | 20:07 |
| jdugger | Duly noted. I'll grep it out of the log in an idle moment at $DAYJOB. | 20:07 |
| ybit | be sure to do -A 10 | 20:08 |
| jdugger | Good point. I'd forgotten that switch. Yea, 'man'! | 20:08 |
| jdugger | ybit, have you tried Jott or ReQall for capturing and scheduling ideas? | 20:19 |
| ybit | nope | 20:20 |
| jdugger | If you don't mind using subscription services, you mind find them useful. | 20:20 |
| jdugger | might, rather. Grr... | 20:20 |
| ybit | ick | 20:20 |
| jdugger | Well...Allen's book probably lies in a local public library (check Worldcat), and emacs org-mode has open source. | 20:22 |
| fenn | i think the processactogram script just generates an image, and doesn't save any data | 20:23 |
| ybit | reqall looks nice, i'd rather implement a system like that myself though, or have someone else do it | 20:24 |
| ybit | ..open-source plz | 20:24 |
| jdugger | You might have to implement it yourself. | 20:25 |
| fenn | superkuh: i set some bloodthirsty journalists on your trail.. hope you dont mind :) | 20:25 |
| ybit | buddhabrots never get old | 20:26 |
| superkuh | fenn: Why would you do that? | 20:26 |
| fenn | superkuh: because you are interesting | 20:27 |
| fenn | i met them at the quantified self meetup | 20:27 |
| jdugger | Did you learn anything interesting at the QS meetup, fenn? | 20:27 |
| fenn | um, learn anything? no, that's what the internet is for | 20:28 |
| fenn | i learned that 70 people showed up and were highly interested in what i'm doing | 20:29 |
| fenn | which is more than i expected | 20:29 |
| jdugger | Point taken. I should have written "what did you learn that the Internet won't show?" | 20:29 |
| ybit | 70 is a lot | 20:37 |
| ybit | so far, only ~400G is filled on this drive | 20:38 |
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| fenn | anyone know much about electrooculograms? can i do mouse-like eye tracking with one? or at least a pie menu | 22:07 |
| kanzure | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/02/03/0034214/Why-Time-Flies-By-As-You-Get-Older?art_pos=1 typical responses. but one comment says "your aging gets slower" | 22:09 |
| QuantumG | there's a related question there.. why does thought/wit slow down with age? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: did you see this? | 22:12 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/browse_thread/thread/3ba32bfad6916a1c | 22:12 |
| kanzure | " Exploring perceived acceleration of time as we age " | 22:12 |
| kanzure | holy shit that was 2009-12-22? | 22:12 |
| jdugger | Heh, heh, heh. | 22:12 |
| fenn | seems like a long time ago to me | 22:13 |
| fenn | i think your/freeman's time perception model is wrong | 22:14 |
| kanzure | yes i agree that something is wrong | 22:14 |
| kanzure | if i knew where i'd fix it :p | 22:14 |
| kanzure | something doesn't feel right | 22:14 |
| kanzure | "right" | 22:14 |
| kanzure | s/where/where,/ | 22:14 |
| fenn | it has nothing to do with actual time passing | 22:15 |
| fenn | as i've said a zillion times, life is measured in new experiences | 22:15 |
| kanzure | yeah but that's a perception | 22:16 |
| kanzure | so there should be a way to tweak that | 22:16 |
| kanzure | a few millivolts in some carefully chosen regions of the brain maybe? | 22:16 |
| kanzure | (or chemicals?) | 22:16 |
| fenn | i'm surprised there aren't any street drugs specifically tailored for that effect | 22:17 |
| fenn | at least none that i know of | 22:17 |
| kanzure | i'm not up on my street :( | 22:17 |
| fenn | seems most are based around escaping from reality | 22:17 |
| kanzure | all the cool kids on my street just recite terrible poetry | 22:18 |
| QuantumG | the "smart drug" craze died out after everyone discovered that they still had to attend classes to learn stuff. | 22:21 |
| kanzure | nah, it's still going strong | 22:21 |
| kanzure | fresh batch of college kids all the time | 22:22 |
| jdugger | fenn: http://research.haifa.ac.il/~iipdm/iipdm_labs.htm | 22:24 |
| jdugger | Pretty stale looking page, but that Israeli lab does eye-tracking. | 22:24 |
| fenn | jdugger: yes i know what an eye tracker is | 22:27 |
| fenn | the question is whether i can do it reliably with an electrooculogram | 22:27 |
| jdugger | Apparently this Swiss group has that goal: http://www.wearable.ethz.ch/research/groups/context/eye_movements/ | 22:31 |
| jdugger | Perhaps you've already seen their work. | 22:31 |
| jdugger | There also exists US Patent 5422689 - Method and apparatus for eye tracking for convergence and strabismus measurement. | 22:32 |
| kanzure | there are many methods | 22:32 |
| QuantumG | if someone would spinoff and commercialize this research, already, I might care. | 22:34 |
| fenn | no today is the first time i've heard of eog | 22:34 |
| jdugger | googling also turned up an UK group with trackers for sale, but of the "call for price" kind. | 22:35 |
| fenn | boo hiss | 22:35 |
| fenn | it seems like a very straightforward circuit | 22:35 |
| QuantumG | yep, if you have to ask you can't afford it | 22:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: have you decided against the "strap a camera to your face" method for some reason? | 22:36 |
| QuantumG | fenn: if you make one, can you put together an instructable? | 22:36 |
| kanzure | ugh | 22:36 |
| kanzure | nooo | 22:36 |
| kanzure | how about an skdb package instead :/ | 22:38 |
| kanzure | ya know.. progress? | 22:38 |
| jdugger | :) | 22:39 |
| jdugger | That's a good idea to consider during work. Time to go, good night everyone. | 22:39 |
| QuantumG | can't you make some converter from skdb to an instructable? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | yes, but not the other way around | 22:39 |
| QuantumG | yep, have to do that manually :( | 22:39 |
| fenn | kanzure: too socially obtrusive | 22:39 |
| kanzure | OR just shoot to kill on sight | 22:39 |
| fenn | actually i'm still considering it | 22:40 |
| fenn | but the existing systems are all too big and clunky | 22:40 |
| kanzure | i saw a photo of someone's setup once.. they were pretty tiny and unobtrusive imho | 22:40 |
| kanzure | but he probably had lots of fancy eyeware equipment laying around | 22:41 |
| fenn | the graffiti thing? | 22:41 |
| kanzure | no, this is one of those photos that you see but can never track down | 22:41 |
| kanzure | lemme pull it up | 22:41 |
| fenn | um | 22:41 |
| kanzure | the source of, i mean | 22:41 |
| QuantumG | http://www.smarteye.se/page1714564.aspx email for price | 22:42 |
| QuantumG | meh | 22:42 |
| kanzure | it was something like this: http://news.thomasnet.com/images/large/451/451115.jpg except below the glasses pointing up | 22:42 |
| kanzure | also, is that toilet paper? | 22:42 |
| kanzure | if you can find a small enough camera you could probably tape it to your nose | 22:43 |
| fenn | ok that's enough engineering advice from you | 22:45 |
| QuantumG | http://sourceforge.net/projects/lea-eyetracking/ | 22:45 |
| * kanzure goes back to screwing up fenn's skdb | 22:46 | |
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| JayDugger | That works. | 22:58 |
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| ybit | i just don't think lightweight and java should be in the same sentence | 23:32 |
| ybit | or acronym | 23:32 |
| QuantumG | ya | 23:32 |
| QuantumG | but if it works, someone could convert it to C and put it on a PIC | 23:33 |
| ybit | unless it says something like Java Isn't Lightweight Loser | 23:33 |
| ybit | true | 23:33 |
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| jdugger | Much better ssh > irc both on my phone. | 23:53 |
| ybit | jdugger: what phone? | 23:55 |
| jdugger | a Droid. | 23:55 |
| jdugger | Now I'll never accomplish anything at work. :) | 23:56 |
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