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| MrClif | I think the internet archive built their own book scanners. Most of their stuff is open source. | 00:36 |
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| ybit | "The Internet Archive seeks a book scanning operator to digitize and help de-bug the scanning process on a brand new book scanning machine." doesn't sound like they built it | 00:45 |
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| ybit | kanzure: did you forget to put heybryan.org and hplusroadmap wiki on the 1tb? | 01:08 |
| ybit | s/kanzure/fenn | 01:08 |
| ybit | heh, kanzure, i just ran into the part of the logs where you quote dexter's lab. i also noted that part in some txt document sometime this year | 01:14 |
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| fenn | i didnt forget; it was on a different hard drive that i didnt have access to at the time | 03:58 |
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| kanzure | fenn: not true, you probably deleted it | 08:07 |
| kanzure | althoug hteh wiki is another story | 08:07 |
| kanzure | *the | 08:07 |
| kanzure | amazon buys touchco .. looks like a touchscreen for multi-digit touchscreens | 09:10 |
| kanzure | er, for multi-digit humans | 09:10 |
| Utopiah | (Nutrition Made Clear http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=1950 available as audiobook for 24hrs at http://seedea.org/buffering/nutri_ttc/ ) | 09:38 |
| ybit | kanzure: can i rape your server one night for this stuff, i'll only be rough on it for a few hours | 10:13 |
| ybit | or if you would like to upload it to designfiles, i'll rip it from that | 10:13 |
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| JayDugger | Heh. That seems to have worked. | 10:39 |
| JayDugger | What was that about Internet Archive needing a book scanner? | 10:40 |
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| ybit | JayDugger: MrClif thought that they had built their own, they may have, but i didn't find it | 10:42 |
| JayDugger | Thank you, ybit. | 10:45 |
| ybit | np JayDugger | 10:45 |
| Utopiah | http://thebeautifulbrain.com/2010/02/bluebrain-film-preview/ | 11:19 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: thanks | 11:31 |
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| xApple | hello | 11:51 |
| ybit | oi xApple | 11:52 |
| ybit | kanzure, Utopiah, fenn: meet xapple | 11:52 |
| ybit | met him from #epfl | 11:52 |
| ybit | he helped me acquire a paper behind their paywall | 11:53 |
| ybit | xApple: see http://designfiles.org/papers | 11:53 |
| ybit | we tend to put papers there | 11:53 |
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| ybit | also see our logs | 11:53 |
| ybit | ~logs | 11:53 |
| ybit | !logs | 11:53 |
| hplusbot | ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt | 11:53 |
| ybit | you can see what we talk about | 11:54 |
| xApple | OK cool | 11:54 |
| xApple | Well I'll just hang around a bit ^^ | 11:54 |
| kanzure | there's a #epfl? | 11:54 |
| ybit | Utopiah just linked us to a documentary on the blue brain project, and i was reminded of you, so i figured i'd hit you up | 11:54 |
| ybit | yep | 11:54 |
| xApple | Ah yeah Prof Markram | 11:55 |
| ybit | http://thebeautifulbrain.com/2010/02/bluebrain-film-preview/ | 11:55 |
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| xApple | I see him sitting in his office now and then | 11:55 |
| kanzure | xis xapple into neuroscience? | 11:55 |
| kanzure | *is | 11:55 |
| ybit | computational neuroscience | 11:55 |
| kanzure | good | 11:55 |
| kanzure | xApple: please ask markram to open source it :( | 11:55 |
| ybit | kanzure: link him away | 11:55 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/ | 11:55 |
| xApple | Hehe | 11:55 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/neuro/ | 11:56 |
| ybit | assemilate him please :P | 11:56 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/ | 11:56 |
| ybit | assimilate* | 11:56 |
| kanzure | http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ (should be faster than heybryan.org) | 11:56 |
| xApple | Nice links indeed | 11:56 |
| xApple | Thanks | 11:56 |
| kanzure | you just get him to go GPL on his source code, and i'll worship you for a lifetime | 11:56 |
| ybit | him == markram | 11:57 |
| * kanzure goes back to some programming | 11:58 | |
| xApple | I don't think he lieks the GPL idea | 11:58 |
| ybit | he seems like an a-hole to me | 11:59 |
| ybit | i shouldn't say that having not met him personally, but i've seen him attack other scientists | 11:59 |
| ybit | that's all my gossip for today | 12:00 |
| xApple | You refering to his last email that became public ? | 12:01 |
| ybit | no, you keep mentioning that, but i haven't read it | 12:01 |
| ybit | i was referring to some videos from the ibm almaden research center's cognitive neuroscience conf | 12:02 |
| ybit | i am glad someone is doing the work though, even if i disagree with certain behavior | 12:03 |
| ybit | xApple: have you tried http://synaptic-modeling.com/index.html ? | 12:05 |
| * ybit is curious what you work with | 12:05 | |
| xApple | Nope never used EONS | 12:06 |
| xApple | I worked with NEST | 12:06 |
| ybit | hrm, link? | 12:06 |
| ybit | http://bebiservice.umb.no/projects-public/cnsweb/wiki/Research/NEST ? | 12:07 |
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| ybit | ah | 12:07 |
| ybit | http://www.nest-initiative.org/index.php/About_Us | 12:07 |
| ybit | have you tried genesis? | 12:08 |
| xApple | Nope neither | 12:08 |
| xApple | Sorry actually I have a guest at the moment, can't chat... | 12:09 |
| ybit | np | 12:09 |
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| ybit | http://sourceforge.net/projects/genesis-sim/ :: book: http://ybit.ath.cx/text/The_Book_of_Genesis_-_Exploring_Realistic_Neural_Models_with_the_GEneral_NEural_SImulations_System.pdf :: book contents:http://www.genesis-sim.org/GENESIS/bog/contents.html | 12:09 |
| ybit | i did a huge link dump one time: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/2ce9f71776ec297a/4a7774d5b8a71d67?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=brain+emulation#4a7774d5b8a71d67 | 12:11 |
| ybit | well, -huge :) | 12:11 |
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| xApple | Hah ok I'll look at that later : ) | 12:12 |
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| xp_prg | Lets say you have a map of neurons and how they are connected, how does that tanslate into an algorithm that can be known? | 13:18 |
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| kanzure | go away | 13:27 |
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| xp_prg | hi genehacker | 13:41 |
| genehacker | hello | 13:41 |
| xp_prg | genehacker do you understand how a neuronal structure can be reverse engineered into an algorithm? | 13:42 |
| genehacker | no | 13:42 |
| xp_prg | can you figure it out real quick and tell me? | 13:43 |
| genehacker | use differential equations I think | 13:45 |
| kanzure | go away | 13:49 |
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| ybit | anyone know someone at the university of twente? http://doc.utwente.nl/68962/ | 14:33 |
| * ybit requested a copy | 14:39 | |
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| ybit | hrm, can't find this linux n00b channel, there was some interesting person on one of them from when i was starting out.. | 15:05 |
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| fenn | xp_prg you've really never heard of an artificial neural network? | 17:22 |
| fenn | what do they teach in schools these days i wonder | 17:23 |
| fenn | apparently it takes about the same time to format a 2GB sd card as a 16GB card | 17:25 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. I would have thought formating sd cards would be a constant time operation.. it's not like there's any point "checking for bad sectors" | 17:26 |
| QuantumG | aka quick format | 17:27 |
| kanzure | http://blueobelisk.sourceforge.net/wiki/Spring_ACS_Conference_in_San_Francisco | 17:31 |
| kanzure | i took some notes in a class about ANNs: | 17:32 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/school/buildingbrains/all.html | 17:32 |
| ybit | kanzure: what class? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | "building brains" | 17:32 |
| kanzure | it was with dr. mauk. apparently he was one of ed boyden's thesis advisors O.o | 17:32 |
| fenn | my parents are going to that ACS conference (sorta) | 17:32 |
| ybit | and can i grab hplusroadmap wiki and your homepage tonight? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | no, i don't have the wiki anywhere | 17:33 |
| kanzure | that i know of | 17:33 |
| ybit | kanzure: this was a high school class? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | fenn: wellp, if you're going to be in the area, i'd like you to stalk down the blueobelisk people | 17:33 |
| kanzure | ybit: no :( | 17:33 |
| ybit | then it was associated with? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | college? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | um | 17:33 |
| ybit | it was just a class, not associated with college i presume | 17:34 |
| kanzure | no it was associated with college | 17:34 |
| ybit | that's cool | 17:34 |
| ybit | that would be a fun class | 17:34 |
| kanzure | that's why i took it :) | 17:34 |
| ybit | i've been reading berger's stuff today | 17:34 |
| QuantumG | http://quantumg.net/dbns.php I wonder if there's a course on DBNs yet. | 17:34 |
| kanzure | you and .php just don't seem to go together | 17:35 |
| kanzure | oops don't show that page to fenn | 17:35 |
| kanzure | he goes bananas all over numenta | 17:35 |
| QuantumG | I was just reading it and figured I should remove the Numenta slurs | 17:35 |
| kanzure | :p | 17:35 |
| kanzure | susskind eh | 17:36 |
| kanzure | also this 404s: http://www.gatsby.ucl.ac.uk/~ywteh/research/ebm/nc2006.pdf | 17:36 |
| kanzure | but there's a copy here: http://web.archive.org/web/20070824030245/http://www.gatsby.ucl.ac.uk/~ywteh/research/ebm/nc2006.pdf | 17:36 |
| ybit | i'm trying to find the paper where berger's group actually implant the device in a mouse | 17:37 |
| kanzure | "the android makers" | 17:37 |
| kanzure | i don't recall them doing that, ybit | 17:37 |
| kanzure | i mainly recall berger and thomas de marse just doing flight control stuff with petri dishes | 17:37 |
| ybit | they are supposed to have done that by now | 17:37 |
| kanzure | or maybe that was just de marse | 17:38 |
| kanzure | what's berger up to | 17:38 |
| ybit | supposed to implement his "biomemetic microelectronic" device into a mouse | 17:38 |
| ybit | and he was supposed to have it in some primate by 2010 | 17:38 |
| kanzure | the artificial hippocampus nonsense? | 17:38 |
| ybit | yeah, though it really is only a sub-population of neurons, so artificial hippocampus probably isn't the best term for it | 17:39 |
| kanzure | les just hit me up for some money | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i'd be happy to give it to him, except i can't really use the space much | 17:40 |
| ybit | why not? | 17:40 |
| kanzure | i can't spend that much time on a god damned bus | 17:40 |
| kanzure | and nobody else i know has a need for it | 17:40 |
| kanzure | it's always bizarre doing phone conferences at ADL | 17:41 |
| kanzure | i'm always throwing around these huge numbers "well if you can get me $300k on that deal, i'll cut you 50k on the metal sheets" | 17:41 |
| kanzure | *sheet metal | 17:41 |
| kanzure | and all the other people in the room kind of just look around | 17:41 |
| kanzure | "who the fuck is this guy?" | 17:41 |
| kanzure | this was doubly so when the ny times reporter showed up | 17:41 |
| fenn | QuantumG: yeah i enjoyed hinton's google talk before i ever heard of "on intelligence" | 17:43 |
| fenn | kanzure: what about "the android makers"? | 17:44 |
| QuantumG | ya, I slapped together that page from a slashdot comment that I wrote in reply to someone asking about Numenta.. but it's not really related | 17:44 |
| kanzure | fenn: just stalking you | 17:44 |
| kanzure | wtf is all this money doing in my bank account | 17:44 |
| kanzure | i'm supposed to be broke >:( | 17:45 |
| fenn | *cough* | 17:45 |
| fenn | i could fix that for you if you want | 17:45 |
| kanzure | yeah? | 17:45 |
| kanzure | get cracking, my friend | 17:45 |
| * fenn sniffs some packets | 17:46 | |
| kanzure | dood i thought you were so off that shit | 17:46 |
| QuantumG | re: "who the fuck is this guy?", ya, but at the same time I'm often telling people their idiots for some reason or another because they have said or done something stupid.. and you get people saying "heh, you don't even know who Bob Smith is do you?" or whatever the dipshit's name is. Like I'm supposed to ignore the fact that he said something moronic because he's famous for something. | 17:46 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: what? | 17:46 |
| kanzure | all i was saying it's kind of weird to "conduct business" around people who think i'm yet another heat sink (i probably am though) | 17:47 |
| fenn | hey kanzure if you want to use/own my car it would be better than it rotting away in a parking lot and/or getting towed | 17:47 |
| kanzure | legally, i can't | 17:47 |
| kanzure | the plate is expired in indiana | 17:47 |
| kanzure | so it can't be replated for texas | 17:47 |
| kanzure | without the car being in indiana | 17:48 |
| fenn | yeah you have to register it | 17:48 |
| kanzure | in indiana.. | 17:48 |
| fenn | huh? | 17:48 |
| kanzure | yeah :/ | 17:48 |
| fenn | that doesnt make any sense | 17:48 |
| QuantumG | I guess my point is, if you care about social niceties, treat everyone like they're someone important/sane/smart and phrase things like "oh, that's not actually right, maybe you made a mistake". | 17:48 |
| fenn | how am i supposed to drive it to indiana with expired plates | 17:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: fuck if i know | 17:48 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: are you telling me to be polite by not taking a conference call in the lab? | 17:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: i don't know when i last saw your car, btw | 17:49 |
| kanzure | i guess i should go check | 17:49 |
| kanzure | where are the keys? | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | never mind, I misunderstood your scenario | 17:49 |
| fenn | in the little dresser | 17:49 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: you have successfully confused me | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | no worries | 17:50 |
| kanzure | also, i'm hungry. nom nom nom /me leaves | 17:50 |
| QuantumG | ya, I'm also hungry.. but its effort to get food | 17:50 |
| kanzure | an existential crisis! | 17:51 |
| fenn | how do i get a timestamp on google maps? http://tinyurl.com/ye94qpq | 17:51 |
| QuantumG | pneumatic tube sandwich delivery, where are you?! | 17:52 |
| fenn | i dont see any tickets on the windshield :P | 17:52 |
| kanzure | i don't think you do | 17:52 |
| kanzure | it says 2010 | 17:52 |
| kanzure | so plus or minus 36 days | 17:52 |
| kanzure | maybe you're just early to rise and early to bed | 17:53 |
| fenn | hm | 17:53 |
| QuantumG | I wonder when brain rejuvenation will become available. | 17:53 |
| fenn | stem cell therapy? | 17:54 |
| QuantumG | I need it now before I become completely senile! | 17:54 |
| kanzure | too late | 17:54 |
| fenn | there have been clinical trials already (with some problems, a few people dying) | 17:55 |
| kanzure | if you're wondering why i haven't left yet, | 17:55 |
| kanzure | it's because i haven't reached pacing escape velocity | 17:55 |
| kanzure | fenn can explain :/ | 17:55 |
| QuantumG | sweet, more people need to die for my drugs damn it | 17:55 |
| fenn | are you at the lab? | 17:55 |
| kanzure | nah i just got home | 17:55 |
| fenn | oh nevermind then | 17:56 |
| fenn | did you ever turn in my book? | 17:56 |
| kanzure | grr | 17:56 |
| kanzure | i'm going back on campus tomorrow | 17:56 |
| fenn | haha | 17:56 |
| kanzure | the book has been added to the bag | 17:56 |
| fenn | see i thought it was just in the backpack for like 5 months | 17:56 |
| kanzure | nah | 17:56 |
| QuantumG | I remember when I worked in a lab (don't get excited, it was cs).. and we'd be like "gotta be coke/chips time".. ride the elevator down to level 1, negotiate with the vending machine, stop by the staff room and play Bubble Bobble. I guess that's why the PhD's in the lab with me took so long to finish their thesis. | 17:57 |
| kanzure | i think ADL is comparable to a CS lab | 17:59 |
| kanzure | just without the CS people | 17:59 |
| fenn | "leaving cold pizza wrapped in foil on his dashboard in the morning meant having hot pizza by lunch time." | 18:02 |
| fenn | reduce your carbon footprint today! | 18:02 |
| ybit | i want to know the surgical details, how do they get the receivers and transmitters in place | 18:19 |
| ybit | also somewhat related, anyone know of a group which has studied visual hallucinations with fMRI? | 18:21 |
| ybit | ah that was easy | 18:22 |
| ybit | ignore last question | 18:22 |
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| ybit | quick response in cosmic engineers mailing list from me: | 19:57 |
| ybit | Speaking of Berger's group, has anyone actually heard what they are | 19:57 |
| ybit | doing these days? In May 2006 at the IBM Almaden Research Center, | 19:57 |
| ybit | during a QA session at their cognitive computing themed conference, | 19:57 |
| ybit | Berger said, "I think we'll be in primate models in three years or | 19:57 |
| ybit | so." But I've yet to see a paper published from them where the device | 19:57 |
| ybit | is implanted into even a mouse. If someone is willing to show me a | 19:57 |
| ybit | paper where they have done this, that would be great, because I want | 19:57 |
| ybit | this done ASAP. | 19:57 |
| ybit | The video clip: | 19:57 |
| ybit | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=200924984898632631 | 19:57 |
| ybit | Start at 01:27:55 if you want to see him state this. | 19:57 |
| kanzure | funding comes and goes | 19:58 |
| ybit | what's the surgical procedure? | 19:58 |
| ybit | i want details on that | 19:58 |
| kanzure | just look in http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/ | 20:04 |
| kanzure | there's lots of surgery details.. | 20:04 |
| ybit | er http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/artificial_receptors/Artificial%20Receptors%20That%20Provides%20a%20Preorganized%20Hydrophobic%20Environment:%20A%20Biomimetic%20Approach%20to%20Dopamine%20Recognition%20in%20Water_files/ | 20:17 |
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| ybit | distributed version of the blue brain project? | 21:35 |
| ybit | yes/no and why | 21:35 |
| ybit | " | 21:35 |
| ybit | I don't think we'd want to follow their architecture as they're using shared memory which will not work in a distributed model. The brain doesn't have a central memory bank but rather distributes it's memory across the network. They also use time dependent algorithms which we'd want to avoid." | 21:35 |
| ybit | "considering the precision required in setting up a series of neurons in harmony, what other option do you have but to have the algorithms as a function of time." | 21:36 |
| nsh | reality has an asynchronistic bias | 21:45 |
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| kanzure | why didn't i know about the "oprah 9000 penises"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGyKmvQesgs | 23:10 |
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