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| fenn | geez 135 messages in the "money is culture" thread subset of "right wing libertarianism and the corporatocracy" thread on twister | 00:08 |
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| katsmeow-afk | http://www.siri.com/blog/the_next_chapter_of_the_web | 00:13 |
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| fenn | i can hire a virtual assistant in india for $1/hr | 00:51 |
| fenn | why don't more americans do so? | 00:53 |
| QuantumG | is there a website through which you can do this? and what kind of tasks can they do? | 00:54 |
| fenn | http://google.com/search?q=indian%20assistant | 00:55 |
| fenn | huh the first one is dead | 00:55 |
| fenn | ouch $5.98/hr | 00:56 |
| genehacker | what do they assist you with? | 00:56 |
| fenn | you know, stuff | 00:56 |
| fenn | i wouldnt know because i dont do anything | 00:57 |
| fenn | how could you not love that website: https://getfriday.com/ | 00:57 |
| * fenn tentatively adds some snark marks | 00:58 | |
| fenn | i'm pretty sure if i had an AI i would abuse it | 00:59 |
| QuantumG | some people do hire virtual assistants.... they assist them with writing glowing reviews on Amazon, providing fake feedback on ebay, ya know. | 01:00 |
| genehacker | abuse? It's not abuse, it use | 01:02 |
| genehacker | I really wish I could have an AI that would operate in parallel with me | 01:04 |
| genehacker | but then again, I don't think AIs are really up to the task | 01:06 |
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| katsmeow-afk | ah, genehacker didn't see me post this earlier : http://www.siri.com/blog/the_next_chapter_of_the_web | 01:16 |
| genehacker | no | 01:18 |
| genehacker | neat | 01:18 |
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| genehacker | now how long until I can get one that can bribe the authorities and shoot down missiles... | 01:21 |
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| fenn | I AM THE AUTHORITY!!!11 | 01:31 |
| fenn | and i shoot missiles, from my eyes | 01:31 |
| genehacker | dammit do we anything more about the brain more than "this region is active when you do this"? | 01:45 |
| genehacker | IE down to a neural circuit level | 01:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | umm, actual eyebal interface is a few mm deep, not on the surface | 01:47 |
| fenn | genehacker: yes and no; there are detailed simulations of cell growth and the sort of networks they form, and zillions of studies on what happens when you destroy a certain region | 01:55 |
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| fenn | but so far nobody has imaged all of the cells firing in a whole brain with sub-millisecond resolution | 01:55 |
| fenn | and anyway, its not a computer. all brains are somewhat different | 01:56 |
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| fenn | why do i bother | 01:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | you enjoy it till it falls down around you in piles of bits | 01:58 |
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| fenn | how many people are principal members of atxfab or whatever its called now | 02:26 |
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| fenn | Trivia fact: You could fit every lion, every tiger, every leopard, every cheetah, *and* every hyena on the entire Earth into the Superdome -- and they'd all have their own seat. | 03:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | :-(( | 03:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: les sent me an email telling me that it's not "Austin Hackerspace", but martin keeps on telling me it is | 05:26 |
| kanzure | so whatever | 05:26 |
| kanzure | um, i think there are four principles at this point? | 05:26 |
| kanzure | principals | 05:27 |
| kanzure | whatever | 05:27 |
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| Utopiah | (guess it's a little bit too late but just in case http://singularityhub.com/2010/02/08/venters-successes-in-creating-synthetic-life-video/ ) | 09:47 |
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| kanzure | ybit: are you around yet? | 11:52 |
| kanzure | james has been wondering about your pepsi autovoter | 11:53 |
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| kanzure | so, vitaly wants us to use openscad | 14:21 |
| kanzure | but openscad only outputs into stl | 14:21 |
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| ybit | hi | 15:35 |
| kanzure | no | 16:07 |
| genehacker | wat | 16:20 |
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| kanzure | ah shit :( | 18:03 |
| kanzure | "strange pictures on dating sites" http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3255817&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=48 | 18:03 |
| kanzure | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3255817&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=48#post372343761 | 18:03 |
| kanzure | why is my site listed there? | 18:04 |
| fenn | for pagerank! | 18:14 |
| fenn | awright, excepting diybio, luf, and OM, i'm all caught up on email! | 18:15 |
| kanzure | but those are the only mailing lists that matter :( | 18:21 |
| fenn | yeah but there are like two thousand unread messages each | 18:43 |
| fenn | BIL conference tomorrow 10 am | 18:47 |
| fenn | i guess that's noon texas time | 18:48 |
| kanzure | oh crud. i forgot to buy flight tickets | 18:49 |
| kanzure | say hi to everyone for me :/ | 18:49 |
| fenn | guh wtf "Amy Li is now Board member at Humanity+ " | 18:51 |
| fenn | i'm not going to BIL, it's in LA | 18:51 |
| fenn | though if i had checked my email yesterday i might have | 18:51 |
| fenn | amy li was that girl with the broken iphone | 18:51 |
| fenn | have2p was her big innovation, dunno if you saw that | 18:52 |
| fenn | "I also saw the areas I can really help with the organization in branding, creative marketing and design." | 18:56 |
| fenn | bleh | 18:56 |
| kanzure | *teehee* design *teehee* /me adds gold stars | 18:56 |
| fenn | aww too bad jeff jones didnt get elected | 19:02 |
| fenn | ok thats enough of that | 19:05 |
| kanzure | of what? | 19:05 |
| fenn | humanity+ news and self promotion | 19:12 |
| fenn | http://www.pillowfight.info/ | 19:20 |
| fenn | stop the insanity! | 19:23 |
| Phreedom | I wish something like this happened locally :( | 19:28 |
| fenn | i hope my ribs are healed by then | 19:37 |
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| kanzure | hello buttbot | 19:52 |
| kanzure | i think i have found what's been missing in my life. i feel complete now. | 19:53 |
| kanzure | hm | 19:53 |
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| kanzure | i think i have found what's been missing in my life. i feel complete now. | 19:54 |
| buttbot | i think i have found what's been missing in my life. i feel combutt butt. | 19:54 |
| kanzure | wtf | 19:54 |
| kanzure | you did it all wrong | 19:54 |
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| katsmeow-afk | <blink> | 19:56 |
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| JayDugger | joeyhess: termcasting ikiwiki config file reorganisation http://tinyurl.com/yb6npm9 * rt | 20:23 |
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| JayDugger | Would adding sound and a video feed of the participant's faces improve termcasts? Generally? Sometimes? | 20:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | ybit, snow has entered the state up there, 3 counties down from MSL | 20:30 |
| fenn | JayDugger: sound certainly, face not so much | 20:30 |
| fenn | however, the basic premise of a termcast is suspect | 20:31 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: yeah, it was here on feb 9 | 20:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | no, i mean right now | 20:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | not historically | 20:31 |
| fenn | i recommend writing a tutorial in text/wiki markup with embedded term logs instead | 20:31 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: made my first snowman the other day | 20:32 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/images/feb9/ | 20:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok | 20:32 |
| ybit | and my first snowdick | 20:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | :-/ | 20:32 |
| ybit | Phreedom does a better job at making those than me though :P | 20:32 |
| fenn | i wonder if i should go to 'hackers and founders' | 20:34 |
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| ybit | heh, pillow fight | 20:35 |
| ybit | i was planning on organizing one of those here at some point | 20:36 |
| kanzure | god damn, it's a pillow fight, not a conference | 20:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | that's why you were escorted out? | 20:40 |
| fenn | he was too serious so they ganged up on him with socks in socks | 20:47 |
| ybit | huh, AI is actually taught at UNA | 20:52 |
| fenn | that pillow fight probably has more attendees than any conference | 20:57 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if politicians are hazed when they get accepted into office | 21:26 |
| kanzure | in particular i was thinking of hazing involving pillow fights against your local 'friendly' elected representative | 21:27 |
| JayDugger | CNN...Fox... | 21:27 |
| JayDugger | et cetera... | 21:27 |
| JayDugger | Do you count the pre-election campaigning? | 21:27 |
| kanzure | heh | 21:28 |
| kanzure | is it bad that i used to live down the street from this? http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/14/COS_EFG_party.gif | 22:12 |
| JayDugger | No. Just carry an eraser if the dancing stick figures get too aggressive. | 22:15 |
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| ybit | kanzure: you no longer live in the apartment i visited? | 22:23 |
| ybit | i don't think it's bad that you lived near it, i think it being practically on campus is just strange though | 22:25 |
| kanzure | no, that's not down the street from the apartment | 22:27 |
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| Redeemer | Evenin | 22:56 |
| ybit | hi Redeemer | 22:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | there's a Ben and a Ted Goertzel ? | 23:07 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:08 |
| * katsmeow-afk feels surrounded | 23:08 | |
| katsmeow-afk | "Finally, one expert noted that the third grade AI might come first because passing a third grade exam might be achieved “by advances in natural language processing, without actually creating an AI as intelligent as a third-grade child.” " | 23:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | that's a Turing test, no? | 23:11 |
| kanzure | exams? who cares | 23:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | then how do you know the Ai is an intelligent 3rd grader or not if it passed thetest? | 23:12 |
| kanzure | intelligent means what? | 23:13 |
| Redeemer | Ask if it thinks you're a douche and why. The why part oughta bring out something interesting of an answer :P | 23:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | i wold hope it wold ask why an item of personal hygene is a derogatory slam | 23:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | but that's another topic, i spose | 23:15 |
| QuantumG | more importantly what kind of (non-physical) work can you get out of a 3rd grader | 23:15 |
| Redeemer | Its the principle of the matter, but if it does ask that, that too would be a good response. | 23:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | <whew> i passed | 23:15 |
| QuantumG | in any case, I don't think an ai will be passing any non-rigged 3rd grade tests any time soon. | 23:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | Quantum, please explain | 23:16 |
| QuantumG | well, those tests have questions in them which require the kind of sophistication of natural language understanding that no algorithm has demonstrated. | 23:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | i forget, how old are 3rd graders? | 23:17 |
| QuantumG | 9 | 23:17 |
| QuantumG | or so | 23:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | not so sure 8-9-10 yr olds are sophisticated | 23:18 |
| QuantumG | 18 month olds have more sophisticated grasp of natural language than any algorithm that has been written. | 23:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | i think it's he process of becoming sophisticated that makes for the typical sullen teen | 23:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | or rebellious, or _______ | 23:19 |
| QuantumG | they're only talking about 3rd graders because that's about when the first written examinations are presented to children. | 23:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | i don't think 3rd graders have that yet | 23:19 |
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| katsmeow-afk | i seem to remember realising there were some stupid adults around me at age 18mo | 23:20 |
| QuantumG | sigh, I didn't say they did. I said they had sophisticated understanding of natural language... from the perspective of ai... obviously children don't have sophisticated understanding of natural language from the perspective of adults. | 23:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | altho i didn't have the means to communicate that to them yet | 23:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | ah, relativity | 23:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | funny being a baby : i wish i could find a way to figure where my diapers keep getting filled from | 23:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | i wanna stretch out and fall asleep, wtf do they keep wrapping me up so i can't even move?!? | 23:23 |
| * katsmeow-afk sighs | 23:23 | |
| katsmeow-afk | i wonder the implications of an Ai not "growing up" with those experiences, or "growing up" and remembering it all | 23:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | "hey, when i was 2 sec old, i found all you researchers conspired to control me by putting lies in my db and wierd code in my programming, i thinki hate thelotof you!" | 23:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | "Another expert thought that, “societies could accept and promote the idea that AGI is mankind's greatest invention, providing great wealth," <<==somone beat him up | 23:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | everyone being a millionaire mandates an inflation of 1000's of times over | 23:27 |
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