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| genehacker | are there any other parts search engines other than octopart | 00:34 |
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| genehacker | google's failing me... | 00:34 |
| katsmeow | alldatasheet.com <shrug> | 00:48 |
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| ybit | http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Everyday%20Wearable%20Computer%20Use:%20A%20Case%20Study%20of%20an%20Expert%20User.pdf | 03:57 |
| ybit | ^ not found | 03:57 |
| ybit | i.e. 404 | 03:58 |
| kanzure | ybit: parent dir | 04:54 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/apis/socialgraph/ | 04:54 |
| fenn | holy fucking fucknuggets i can't believe the stuff i read on that website, or that i just spent 12 hours reading it | 07:05 |
| ybit | someone feel free to paste a download link for "Designing for the Edge of Space and Beyond" http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=375218&id=5&as=false&or=false&qs=Ntt%3Djenkins%257cjenkins%2Bdennis%26Ntk%3DAuthorList%257cAuthorList%26Ntx%3Dmode%2Bmatchall%257cmode%2Bmatchall%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1%26N%3D0 | 07:49 |
| ybit | hey! fucknuggets is my word :P | 07:49 |
| kanzure | fenn: i don't understan'd sam's response from 10min ago | 08:30 |
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| kanzure | "News is something somebody doesn't want printed; all else is advertising" | 08:54 |
| JayDugger | That seems to contradict "It's an ill wind that blows no good." | 09:02 |
| JayDugger | And "Every cloud has a silver lining." | 09:02 |
| kanzure | pubget and plos? yay | 09:04 |
| kanzure | hey what's going on here? | 09:04 |
| kanzure | http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2010/3/2/the-social-engineering-knowledge-database.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Fabbaloo+%28Fabbaloo%29&utm_content=Twitter | 09:04 |
| kanzure | dur, i mean | 09:04 |
| kanzure | http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2010/3/2/the-social-engineering-knowledge-database.html | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | Well, the Space Navigator is a pretty cool UI, even if takes extra work to use in Linux. | 09:05 |
| kanzure | it would be nice if a few peeps drop some comments on that article | 09:06 |
| kanzure | general fabb has been keeping his eye on skdb pretty well | 09:06 |
| JayDugger | I could have skdb early this morning at work. I had to make a device to measure the draw depth of the concave side of toroidal mirror. | 09:08 |
| JayDugger | I needed a 1.5-2m long rod, 2-3m of string, and a transparent ruler with a rounded tip. | 09:09 |
| kanzure | http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloads-150x-more-profitable-than-legal-sales-091009/ | 09:10 |
| JayDugger | http://freakbits.com/home-cooking-is-killing-the-restaurant-industry-0222 | 09:12 |
| kanzure | gasp! how dare they | 09:15 |
| kanzure | "homefucking is killing prostitution!" | 09:15 |
| JayDugger | And all those companies selling pots and pans? | 09:16 |
| JayDugger | Co-conspirators! | 09:16 |
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| kanzure | http://cooperationcommons.com/ | 10:00 |
| kanzure | just reading through http://groups.google.com/group/cooperationcommons/topics | 10:00 |
| kanzure | seems like suresh and sam post there a lot :/ | 10:00 |
| kanzure | er, sam rose | 10:00 |
| kanzure | not sam putman | 10:00 |
| Utopiah | know them thanks to http://cooperationcommons.com/node/382 | 10:01 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: then maybe you can explain the squermish yesterday with sam rose to me? | 10:02 |
| Utopiah | did you generate a behavior.xml trace file to debut your social relationship? | 10:02 |
| Utopiah | s/debut/debug/ | 10:02 |
| * Utopiah suddently sees psychologist and other counselors as social debuggers | 10:03 | |
| kanzure | can't we just do away with all this social bullshit? | 10:04 |
| Utopiah | not really | 10:04 |
| kanzure | sure we can.. just stop playing their silly game | 10:05 |
| Utopiah | well you can try "Freaking start to cooperate NOW!" but I have doubts | 10:06 |
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| Utopiah | "l'enfer, c'est les autres" Sartre ("Hell is other people.") | 10:10 |
| JayDugger | And that's why I work 3rd shift, with machines. :) | 10:12 |
| fenn | yay me: http://www.kk.org/quantifiedself/ | 10:16 |
| fenn | probably not worth watching the video unless you enjoy watching me squirm in front of an audience | 10:16 |
| JayDugger | Congratulations, fenn! | 10:19 |
| kanzure | when is he publishing "the technium" >:( | 10:21 |
| Utopiah | actually has directly http://www.quantifiedself.com/ | 10:22 |
| kanzure | "Ben started self-tracking when he wondered how much time he actually spent doing his roommate's dishes." | 10:22 |
| kanzure | well? what was the result | 10:23 |
| kanzure | "Weed-killer chemical turns male frogs into females" hahah i knew we were blasting the environment with terrible shit, but holy fuck | 10:28 |
| fenn | i should google myself more often | 10:43 |
| fenn | kanzure: if you watched the video you'd know :P | 10:44 |
| Utopiah | fenn: http://www.google.com/alerts | 10:44 |
| kanzure | cool, sacha picked you up | 10:45 |
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| kanzure | Ben Lipkowitz (University of California, Santa Barbara): 'An Important Source of Late Eighteenth-Century Keyboard Music'. | 10:47 |
| kanzure | hm probably not you | 10:47 |
| kanzure | hah: http://www.bbakira.co.uk/kanbike/bike.htm :) | 10:48 |
| kanzure | oh look, you've inspired someone: http://michaelaheap.com/2010/02/28/a-remarkable-life-logging-project/ | 10:48 |
| kanzure | how does it feel to have your life sprayed all over the interwebs? | 10:49 |
| fenn | I'm totally going to study late eighteenth century keyboard music just to confuse the shit out of people | 10:50 |
| fenn | "what, don't i look like an eighty year old spaniard?!" | 10:51 |
| fenn | who is sacha? | 10:51 |
| kanzure | i contacted sacha in 2005 about hnb and organization tool stuff | 10:52 |
| kanzure | and recently ybit (a few months ago) got obsessed with sacha chua | 10:52 |
| kanzure | re: org-mode et al. | 10:52 |
| ybit | fenn: it looked like your talk went over well | 10:52 |
| kanzure | bee tee dubs, gary wolf was going to be the guy to break the news about pink army a while back | 10:53 |
| kanzure | but andrew wanted to stay silent for a while longer | 10:53 |
| ybit | sacha essentially has the setup kanzure described | 10:53 |
| kanzure | hm: http://www.kk.org/quantifiedself/2010/02/has-self-tracking-changed-you.php only 3 comments | 10:57 |
| fenn | WTF am i still doing awake? | 10:57 |
| fenn | gah | 10:57 |
| JayDugger | fenn, it's only what, 9 AM your local time? | 10:58 |
| fenn | yes but i am supposedly waking up in the mornings now | 10:58 |
| fenn | that damned aspie smut comedian | 10:59 |
| ybit | glendix, sucky name, glad someone's doing it though | 11:00 |
| ybit | http://glendix.org | 11:00 |
| ybit | hrm, wget seems to be fetching every document from nasa.gov :-\ | 11:00 |
| ybit | where'd i go wrong? wget -r l1 -A pdf http://www.aeronautics.nasa.gov/nra_ref_docs.htm | 11:01 |
| ybit | oooh | 11:01 |
| ybit | oh well, at least i'll ever flippid pdf they have now :) | 11:02 |
| JayDugger | wget --recursive --level=1 -A pdf | 11:02 |
| JayDugger | I think you have the short options wrong. | 11:02 |
| ybit | nah, i'm fetching from the top level that is aeronautics.nasa.gov | 11:03 |
| ybit | i grabbed every doc from that subdomain | 11:03 |
| ybit | that didn't have more than one level | 11:03 |
| ybit | e.g.: http://www.aeronautics.nasa.gov/docs/ | 11:04 |
| ybit | see http://ybit.ath.cx/text/www.aeronautics.nasa.gov/ | 11:05 |
| ybit | 751 files in the tat dir | 11:05 |
| ybit | -_- at typos | 11:05 |
| ybit | the server is going to be running slowly it's still fetching all the data from ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/pub/TraceDB/Personal_Genomics/ | 11:06 |
| kanzure | current world sunlight projection map: http://www.opentopia.com/sunlightmaprect.html | 11:06 |
| ybit | JayDugger: my apologies you were right | 11:06 |
| ybit | i should sleep | 11:06 |
| kanzure | heh, "why you want to be an engineer" http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100219.gif | 11:07 |
| JayDugger | Happy to help, ybit. | 11:07 |
| ybit | good find kanzure :) | 11:08 |
| * ybit sleeps | 11:10 | |
| fenn | pipl.com takes all the effort out of googlestalking | 11:11 |
| fenn | jeebus they really do have just about everything all collated neatly in one place | 11:12 |
| kanzure | http://flowingdata.com/2010/02/09/track-mouse-activity-on-your-computer/ | 11:21 |
| kanzure | http://zaxy.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/rat-eating-plant-discovered-in-philippines-telegraph/ | 11:28 |
| kanzure | Nepenthes attenboroughii | 11:28 |
| kanzure | "Whilst certainly large enough to trap rodents, no rodents of any kind have yet been observed within the pitchers of this species, as indicated in the type description and through subsequent clarification by the author, who suggests that should rodents be captured by the plant, it is likely to be through misadventure rather than by design; instead, large bugs and flying insects appear to be the usual prey." | 11:30 |
| kanzure | aww | 11:30 |
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| kanzure | http://www.brainmysteries.com/research/Genes_responsible_for_ability_to_recognize_faces.asp | 11:48 |
| kanzure | "One sleepless night increases dopamine in the human brain" http://www.sciencecentric.com/news/article.php?q=08082310 | 11:49 |
| kanzure | How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/How%20to%20increase%20serotonin%20in%20the%20human%20brain%20without%20drugs.pdf | 11:50 |
| kanzure | re: genes responsible for ability to recognize faces http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/Human%20face%20recognition%20ability%20is%20specific%20and%20highly%20heritable.pdf | 11:54 |
| * katsmeow-afk thinks http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/How%20to%20increase%20serotonin%20in%20the%20human%20brain%20without%20drugs.pdf has at least one error: bitterness and lack of social life can cause each other, it's not a one-way street | 11:55 | |
| katsmeow-afk | and i'd put forth that one doesn't get bitter over nothing for no reason, it would take too much effort | 11:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://www.sciencecentric.com/news/article.php?q=10021702-team-finds-subtropical-waters-flushing-through-greenland-fjord may have an error also, studies i saw said the water *in contact with ocean* was melting, but the overland glaciers where getting thicker | 11:58 |
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| katsmeow-afk | and somehow, 39F water doesn't sound subtropical, and they didn't present any data on how the water could be described as subtropical in any other way | 12:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | "They found that annually about 4 kilograms (kg) were released from the sediment to the water and about 7 kg were transferred from the water to the air." <<== that's a neat trick! | 12:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | " 'NW Rota-1 remains the only place on Earth where a deep submarine volcano has ever been directly observed while erupting.'" <<== wrong again, the active volcano east of Hawaii, the ot spot which produced the Hawaiian islands, has been watched as it pushed lava out | 12:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.madewithmolecules.com/ | 12:24 |
| Utopiah | (Conference Berlin7 http://www.berlin7.org/ Open Access Conference) | 12:26 |
| kanzure | weird ocean dwelling life forms: http://www2.yk.psu.edu/~mer7/Phil/fish.htm | 12:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | About Msiusa | 12:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | Measurement Specialties, Inc., Designs, Develops, Produces, And Sells Electronic Sensors And Sensor-based Consumer Products. We Produce A Wide Variety Of Pressure, Force, Vibration, Flow, And Ultrasonic Sensors. Advanced Aerospace, Micromaching, And... | 12:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | but they have no website | 12:31 |
| Utopiah | http://batchpcb.com/ PCB marketplace | 12:33 |
| kanzure | re: RGS-14 and visual memory http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/Role%20of%20Layer%206%20of%20V2%20Visual%20Cortex%20in%20Object-Recognition%20Memory.pdf | 12:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://www.scsos.com/forms/Miscellaneous/SubversiveAgentForm.pdf <<== the actual legal form for the law SC is considering repealing. "Those that fail to file face up to a $25,000 fine and 10 years in prison. " | 12:43 |
| kanzure | heh | 12:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | Until February, no one had registered, said Secretary of State Mark Hammond. | 12:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | Now, about 10 have filed, apparently in jest, as political commentary. Two actually paid the fee, according to his office. | 12:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | "Our organization is in fact so dastardly that we have refused to remit the fee," writes someone claiming to represent the Las Vegas-based Alliance of the Libertarian Left. | 12:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | Qatar, Germany Set up Solar Power Joint Venture ; The companies will set up a plant in northern Qatar to produce 3,500 tons of polysilicon annually. | 12:45 |
| Utopiah | The Department of Mad Scientists http://michaelbelfiore.com/darpa 2009 | 13:32 |
| kanzure | i was recently surprised when i casually mentioned DARPA to someone and they said "what's that?" | 13:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | i was recently surprised when i noticed no one is using phone numbers like Klamath-5-1212 anymore | 13:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | ask them if they ever heard of the "International Business Machines" company | 13:36 |
| Utopiah | (no preview from Google Books thus no word cloud :/ ) | 13:37 |
| kanzure | Interview with Laura Cinti and Howard Boland (c-lab): http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/biotech_art/index.php?page=5 | 13:38 |
| Utopiah | ( 2009 USC Body Computing Conference 3.0: Keynote Address by Daniel Kraft, M.D. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha2z6gv3WK8 ) | 13:48 |
| Utopiah | ( with http://www.usccardiology.org/bodycomputing/ ) | 13:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | so the tatoo on your arm of a calculator is an actual working calculator? | 13:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | "that is not a pixel defect, that's a new mole on your skin" | 13:51 |
| Utopiah | lol, the new "dead pixel" skin problem | 13:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | gives new meaning to the phrase "i know that ____ like the back of my hand" | 13:52 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM22 "The protein down-regulates transcription from the HIV-1 long terminal repeat promoter region, suggesting that function of this protein may be to mediate interferon's antiviral effects.[1][2] Other proteins that function to restrict HIV replication include TRIM5alpha and APOBEC3G." | 13:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | to be cautious, grab the attribution source too | 13:58 |
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| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1000007 | 14:01 |
| kanzure | pdf: http://www.plospathogens.org/article/fetchObjectAttachment.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1000007&representation=PDF | 14:01 |
| kanzure | local copy: http://designfiles.org/papers/The%20Interferon%20Response%20Inhibits%20HIV%20Particle%20Production%20by%20Induction%20of%20TRIM22.pdf | 14:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | Received July 19, 2007 | 14:03 |
| kanzure | Accepted January 16, 2008 | 14:04 |
| kanzure | hah | 14:04 |
| kanzure | ooh, juicy links http://www.genetic-programming.org/ | 14:27 |
| kanzure | hm that's koza? | 14:27 |
| kanzure | oh! that's why i know him http://www.genetic-programming.com/johnkoza.html | 14:27 |
| kanzure | i was invited to speak at COFES 2010, which is apparently the conference he runs | 14:28 |
| Utopiah | oh | 14:28 |
| kanzure | "inventor of genetic programming" O_o | 14:29 |
| * katsmeow-afk patents beach sand so she can claim to have invented it and all processes associated with it | 14:32 | |
| kanzure | http://www.new4stroke.com/ | 14:32 |
| kanzure | heh: http://hubpages.com/hub/Stunningly-Intricate-Curta-Mechanical-Calculator | 14:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | sliding valves again | 14:33 |
| Utopiah | (self-organisation/synthetic life http://www.diffusion.ens.fr/index.php?res=conf&idconf=2763 by http://www.physics.nyu.edu/pine/ ) | 14:35 |
| kanzure | world's largest digging machine http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Trencher.htm | 14:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | i always wondered how that was economical | 14:38 |
| kanzure | hehe: http://fun-hunter.com/Pics/Machinery/Machinery002.jpg | 14:38 |
| kanzure | it probably is not | 14:38 |
| katsmeow-afk | it would take forever to get between jobs, and scoop dirt faster than the custom railroads and trucks can haul it away | 14:39 |
| kanzure | i bet it was built in place | 14:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | prolly was, but then why hasn't it dug itself into a gigantic hole already? | 14:40 |
| kanzure | wheels? | 14:40 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 14:40 |
| katsmeow-afk | "Automatic hydraulic systems used for eliminating valve clearance are relatively complex and expensive." LOL!! and they are piston-sleeve units 2 inches long max, 1/2 inch long, and $5 each!! | 14:42 |
| kanzure | i wish i get my own FAQ some day :/ http://www.cjfearnley.com/fuller-faq.html | 14:44 |
| kanzure | hey is this our marcin jakubowski? http://community.livejournal.com/retro_futurism/318284.html | 14:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://www.new4stroke.com/ won't work , crud building up on the steps from the sliding valve pistons to the work piston will eventually break the gate pistons' connecting rods | 14:45 |
| kanzure | hm | 14:49 |
| parolang | So, is this channel where you guys keep your bookmarks? :D | 14:50 |
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| katsmeow-afk | the "complicated and expensive" hydraulic lifter in every detroit engine ever made, and many world wide : http://image.highperformancepontiac.com/f/10498756+w750+st0/hppp_0811_06_z+pontiac+hydraulic_lifter.jpg | 14:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | dunno why they gold plated it | 14:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | the Mazda 2.2 (and i assume other engines) has a 1/4 thick dodad directly under the rocker arm above the valve stem that does the same thing | 14:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | basically, for over 3/4 of time, it passively or actively is filled with oil thru a small hole, which is then blocked when the internal piston is pushed over it, the amount of oil at any one time occupying the variable gap (due to maker tolerances, temperature, wear, etc) in the valve system | 14:58 |
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| kanzure | parolang: we're on a mission :) | 15:09 |
| parolang | :) | 15:09 |
| kanzure | http://scienceblogs.com/oscillator/2010/02/biology_is_technology.php review of "biology is technology" | 16:28 |
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| kanzure | http://vooluspa.blogspot.com/2010/03/case-off-open-solar-panel-controler-1.html | 16:43 |
| kanzure | http://www.ohwr.org/ open hardware repository.. electronics-only | 16:43 |
| kanzure | hm, odd place to find her showing up: http://diydrones.com/profile/ParijataMackey | 16:44 |
| kanzure | http://nextfab.com/ | 17:14 |
| QuantumG | so | 17:17 |
| QuantumG | I was looking at the laws in Australia in regards to the export of technical specifications for rockets | 17:17 |
| QuantumG | there's a limit on size.. and I find that kinda funny as telling someone how to make a small rocket is much the same as telling them how to make an (inefficient) large rocket | 17:18 |
| QuantumG | but, in any case, it got me thinking about a more general topic | 17:18 |
| QuantumG | crypto isn't on the US export controls anymore (or at least not the same way), because the PGP guy just uncorked the bottle and let the genie out | 17:19 |
| QuantumG | unfortunately at great personal risk | 17:20 |
| kanzure | http://opensource.com/life/10/2/acceleration-open-source-cars /me is still waiting for people who are serious about "open source cars" | 18:00 |
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| kanzure | hey hundred-ideas | 18:02 |
| kanzure | sorry i haven't replied to your email yet :/ | 18:02 |
| hundred-ideas | hey, that's ok | 18:03 |
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| kanzure | hello wonklab | 18:03 |
| wonklab | word up | 18:04 |
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| parolang | Sometimes just the URL pops out at you and makes you think, "Hey cool!" E.g. diydrones.com :D | 18:04 |
| wonklab | Is everything copacetic in the Ellison lab? | 18:04 |
| hundred-ideas | kanzure: What I propose may be completely in the domain of SKDB - if so, great. I'm not well versed in the project | 18:04 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: well, there are some parts that might seem like feature creep | 18:05 |
| kanzure | i would be happy to work on the protocol project that you describe, because it does interface nicely with skdb | 18:05 |
| kanzure | what i would really like to see happen is "here's a protocol, what equipment do i need" | 18:05 |
| kanzure | "and how do i make that equipment" | 18:05 |
| hundred-ideas | definitely | 18:06 |
| kanzure | as for the synthetic biology aspect, there's other software that has started to (try to) cover automatic design of genomes | 18:06 |
| kanzure | or at least, they are more poised for that sort of task (i.e. biopython, bioperl) | 18:06 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: re this quote: "Also in the pipeline is a wiki-like frontend to SKDB with a git revision control back-end, which could be used as a free alternative to instructables or thingiverse, but better." | 18:07 |
| kanzure | that kinda sorta already exists.. one sec, let me boot up the server | 18:07 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: http://designfiles.org:8081/package/lego/ | 18:08 |
| kanzure | it definitely needs some work, but it's a git+wiki front-end to skdb packages | 18:08 |
| hundred-ideas | My concern is primarily that make.ifixit.com has got some semantic representation of the process, tools, and materials of each project, and that their format will remain closed and non-standardized. Since it's under development, there's a chance to get them to use something open designed to work well with our projects | 18:08 |
| kanzure | how much of a chance | 18:09 |
| kanzure | basically, this is pretty-damn-close to what i would like to see for an instruction language: http://cheetahtemplate.org/ | 18:10 |
| kanzure | cheetah is just a templating engine meant for the web | 18:10 |
| kanzure | but you could use it in any number of ways to embed variables in plaintext and so on | 18:10 |
| kanzure | so, users would just write out each step however they like, and if they want to go a little advanced, they can use the scripting features | 18:10 |
| kanzure | i.e. "Hello, $name! Step 1. Pour $amount_goes_here into the beaker" | 18:11 |
| kanzure | but also "Step 1. Something inflexible and static goes here." | 18:11 |
| kanzure | it's a shame that biocoder/biostream sucks so much :( | 18:12 |
| hundred-ideas | yeah, bleh | 18:13 |
| kanzure | there's room to grow in that direction though | 18:13 |
| kanzure | for now i think if we can pitch (1) simple templated-like-that instructions, (2) dependency representation ("what does this project require in order to be completed? what tools? what mateirals"), it will be a good start | 18:13 |
| Utopiah | https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/How_to_tell_if_a_FLOSS_project_is_doomed_to_FAIL | 18:13 |
| kanzure | "# If the source code also exceeds 100 MB when it is compressed [ +5 points of FAIL ] " heh | 18:13 |
| hundred-ideas | well, what is the single most important thing to add semantic markup to in a process description? Bill of Materials? | 18:15 |
| kanzure | i think semantic markup is a buzzword and should be avoided | 18:16 |
| kanzure | let's just be real | 18:16 |
| kanzure | have you seen the skdb package examples? i was wondering what you think of the structures | 18:16 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/packages/ | 18:16 |
| kanzure | i.e. see lego or screw | 18:16 |
| QuantumG | Your project is sourceforge vaporware [ +100 points of FAIL ] | 18:17 |
| QuantumG | <3 | 18:17 |
| hundred-ideas | what should I be evaluating at the URL kanzure? demo.py? | 18:17 |
| QuantumG | Your project only does releases as attachments in web forum posts [ +100 points of FAIL ] also good | 18:18 |
| kanzure | nah, metadata.yaml is most important | 18:18 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: i haven't seen that in a while | 18:18 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: another possible way to format the information is like so: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/process.tb | 18:19 |
| kanzure | it would be easy to make a web interface ("wizard") that users could click through to generate those files (behind the scenes) | 18:19 |
| kanzure | or if you wanted to see it over the web & be able to edit it: http://designfiles.org:8081/package/lego:master/metadata.yaml/65ff087e18045c951fbd360bc7a8e16cdfd1e25d | 18:20 |
| kanzure | this is the raw view, mind you.. it would be possible to make a better interface that spiced up this info or something | 18:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: did you note the [input] and [output] sections of the process.tb file? i like that. | 18:22 |
| hundred-ideas | hah | 18:22 |
| hundred-ideas | What about http://blog.reprap.org/2008/12/ponoko-lasercut-reprap-bom.html | 18:26 |
| kanzure | you mean this? http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/PonokoBOMcode | 18:27 |
| kanzure | doesn't look robust at all.. | 18:28 |
| kanzure | however, xml isn't inherently evil | 18:28 |
| hundred-ideas | I'm not saying it's a good or robust implementation... but it's live. | 18:30 |
| kanzure | where? | 18:30 |
| hundred-ideas | http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/PonokoBOM ? | 18:30 |
| hundred-ideas | too bad I can't click on each material to learn more about it and select the best source for it | 18:31 |
| kanzure | doesn't look like it.. they are just wrapped in <pre> tags on that page | 18:31 |
| kanzure | (check the html source) | 18:31 |
| kanzure | same thing on the sub-assembly pages: http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/PonokoXAxisAssembly | 18:31 |
| kanzure | more html crap :/ | 18:31 |
| kanzure | (surrounded by text (which is the stuff that actually matters)) | 18:31 |
| hundred-ideas | wait... are you saying that each material should be surrounded by a microformat, or just that you don't see evidence of dynamic generation of the list? | 18:33 |
| kanzure | i don't see evidence of dynamic generation of the list | 18:34 |
| kanzure | hey lookie! guido made it to boingboing http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/02/inexpensive-gene-cop.html | 18:34 |
| hundred-ideas | yeah, I don't see evidence of that either. Yeah! Have you guys donated? | 18:36 |
| kanzure | donated? we were offering to design it instead of the $100k price tag that rob carlson put on it | 18:36 |
| kanzure | but they scoffed at us | 18:36 |
| hundred-ideas | Aww, you wanted to take over the whole project, and so now you won't donate to them. Well, maybe they'll realize the error of their ways when they fail to get into this slightly-sketchy Unreasonable Marketplace and then they'll come ask for your help. | 18:39 |
| kanzure | um? | 18:45 |
| kanzure | no | 18:45 |
| kanzure | i think that's an unreasonable summary of the situation | 18:45 |
| kanzure | i just don't think that you should have to spend $100k for a really cheap design | 18:45 |
| kanzure | also i'm kind of hurt that you would think that i wanted to take over his project :( | 18:47 |
| kanzure | !logs | 18:47 |
| hplusbot | kanzure: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt | 18:47 |
| kanzure | read the logs for yourself | 18:47 |
| hundred-ideas | that's a pretty big log file, maybe I'll pass for now. Was Rob's company taking $100k for the design contract? | 18:49 |
| kanzure | tbh i don't know if it was his company or not | 18:50 |
| kanzure | but it was rob | 18:50 |
| kanzure | um, which company is that anyway? | 18:50 |
| hundred-ideas | BioDesic | 18:50 |
| hundred-ideas | his garage engineering company. | 18:51 |
| hundred-ideas | What's keeping you from doing the design anyway? IP concerns? | 18:51 |
| kanzure | well it's "their" project | 18:51 |
| kanzure | btw why is rob always said to be into diybio? he never posts to the mailing list and has never introduced himself | 18:52 |
| kanzure | there was a lot of really awesome discussion on the open thermocycler plans a while back (over 100 emails in a single thread) that went over a lot of great designs | 18:52 |
| kanzure | and it's really weird to see joseph not interested in any of that O.o | 18:53 |
| hundred-ideas | I've always thought that diybio was a self-identification. you are into diybio if you are into diybio. Joseph says he is. | 18:55 |
| hundred-ideas | I think rob is more cynical, and a) doesn't see the point, and b) perceives an unknown risk from associating with our community | 18:56 |
| hundred-ideas | although he has emailed the list once or twice | 18:56 |
| kanzure | oops, i might have missed that once-or-twice email | 18:56 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: btw, re: the email about the conference with edward you. i suspect this is him: http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg | 19:00 |
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| hundred-ideas | ? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | he's the special agent from the FBI assigned to diybio | 19:04 |
| hundred-ideas | I know who Ed You is, to a first approximation. But what's up with the photo, why do you think it is ed you, and what is your point? | 19:05 |
| kanzure | it's a joke | 19:05 |
| kanzure | it's the only photo on the fbi website under the WMD division | 19:05 |
| kanzure | which, apparently, is his employer | 19:05 |
| kanzure | i thought the costume was cool :( | 19:05 |
| hundred-ideas | that is a pretty redicilous page http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/wmd_home.htm | 19:07 |
| kanzure | agreed | 19:07 |
| hundred-ideas | ridiculous* | 19:08 |
| hundred-ideas | I think jason bobe has an interesting approach to safety discussions | 19:12 |
| hundred-ideas | when engaging professional scholars, policymakers, and enforcement people | 19:12 |
| kanzure | half the problem is getting your foot in their door | 19:14 |
| hundred-ideas | at this point in history, we can't presume we have the answers. instead, what are the questions we should be engaging policy people with? | 19:14 |
| kanzure | that's true, but there's a lot of good discussions that were had about security back in 2008 on diybio that i feel have been ignored | 19:15 |
| kanzure | a lot of really neat techniques too, like downloadable immunity | 19:15 |
| hundred-ideas | links? | 19:22 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/b5c37a36e6197a7a/1adfeaf4338e3847?lnk=gst&q=security#1adfeaf4338e3847 | 19:23 |
| kanzure | that's one i remember | 19:23 |
| kanzure | btw, typing out SHA1 strings *sucks* | 19:23 |
| kanzure | i thought the last 7 was a 6 at first and was wondering why it wasn't working | 19:23 |
| QuantumG | bit.ly ftw | 19:24 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: do you have a link off the top of your head for why tinyurl et al. sucks? | 19:24 |
| kanzure | and other url shortening services | 19:24 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if there's a plugin for Firefox that makes hovering over a shortened link display the actual destination in the status bar (as it does for a non-shortened link) | 19:26 |
| kanzure | yes ther eis | 19:26 |
| kanzure | *yes there is | 19:26 |
| kanzure | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60152 | 19:27 |
| kanzure | oh, it doesn't do hovers | 19:27 |
| kanzure | wtf | 19:27 |
| hundred-ideas | thanks for the security link | 19:27 |
| kanzure | there have been others that i am presently forgetting | 19:29 |
| kanzure | aren't there a few links on the FAQ? | 19:29 |
| QuantumG | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8636 | 19:30 |
| QuantumG | not bad | 19:31 |
| hundred-ideas | http://bit.ly/pages/tools | 19:32 |
| hundred-ideas | ... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10297 | 19:32 |
| QuantumG | looks nicer | 19:36 |
| QuantumG | (yours) | 19:36 |
| wrldpc2 | hey fenn, is there a link to your life tracking data viz on fennetic? | 19:52 |
| wrldpc2 | http://fennetic.net/sleep/ | 19:54 |
| wrldpc2 | got it | 19:54 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. are there flexible polymers that *expand* in response to voltage? | 19:54 |
| kanzure | piezopolymers? | 19:55 |
| kanzure | try PVDF | 19:55 |
| kanzure | explanation: http://www.physics.montana.edu/eam/polymers/piezopoly.htm | 19:55 |
| QuantumG | neat thanks | 19:55 |
| kanzure | that will be $0.02 please | 19:55 |
| QuantumG | was thinking about space activity suits | 19:56 |
| QuantumG | and figured a "normally contracted" polymer would be preferable | 19:56 |
| QuantumG | you'd apply the voltage to ease putting it on | 19:57 |
| kanzure | "also den Cupcake CNC gibts bloß bei Makerbot Industries." | 20:02 |
| kanzure | "Prinzipiell musst du das Paket beim Zoll abholen. Auf den Gerätewert, | 20:02 |
| kanzure | beim normalen Kit 750 USD, werden 19% Mehrwertsteuer aufgeschlagen + | 20:02 |
| kanzure | Zollsatz." | 20:02 |
| * kanzure needs to brush up on his german | 20:02 | |
| kanzure | paket beim? | 20:02 |
| kanzure | aufgeschlagen is fun to pronounce too | 20:03 |
| kanzure | http://kd85.com/ | 20:04 |
| hundred-ideas | hey fenn, what's your routine for entering life-tracking blurbs? | 20:16 |
| hundred-ideas | kanzure, do you know? | 20:16 |
| kanzure | he just types it in every few moments | 20:20 |
| hundred-ideas | he's at a terminal that often? wow. | 20:21 |
| kanzure | he carries around a notepad when he's disconnected | 20:22 |
| kanzure | but he has a wearable computer anyway | 20:23 |
| kanzure | so it's always on him | 20:23 |
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| parolang | steve mann style wearable? | 20:24 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:24 |
| parolang | cool :) | 20:24 |
| kanzure | martin called me to tell me that i shouldn't have crossposted his vern-bashing to the robot group mailing list | 20:27 |
| kanzure | he went on about how uncool it was for me to do that | 20:27 |
| kanzure | and then in the end didn't actually have anything for me to do about it | 20:27 |
| kanzure | so.. yeah. | 20:27 |
| QuantumG | was his vern-bashing public? | 20:30 |
| QuantumG | (to start with?) | 20:30 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/austin-hacker-space | 20:30 |
| kanzure | (1) martin announced on the austin robot group mailing list that there would be a screening at the austin hacker space of avatar | 20:31 |
| kanzure | (2) vern privately emails martin explaining that it might be a bad idea because martin/austin-hackerspace could be sued :( | 20:31 |
| kanzure | (3) martin posts an inflammatory email to austin-hacker-space about vern | 20:31 |
| kanzure | (4) i send martin's email to the robot group asking those guys "wtf?" | 20:31 |
| QuantumG | ya | 20:31 |
| kanzure | (5) some other people on austin-hacker-space start hating on vern | 20:32 |
| QuantumG | so martin made public statements, and is getting upset that you treated them like public statements | 20:32 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:32 |
| kanzure | and he had to phone me about it | 20:32 |
| QuantumG | hehe | 20:32 |
| kanzure | and then he said "i am explicitly giving you permission to give my phone number to vern" | 20:32 |
| kanzure | "uh, alright?" | 20:32 |
| QuantumG | I've had worse | 20:32 |
| QuantumG | crazies posting on arocket | 20:32 |
| kanzure | hey, i *am* one of those crazies posting to arocket :) | 20:32 |
| kanzure | or at least that's who i am to carmack :) | 20:33 |
| QuantumG | someone replies to the crazies and tells them to kindly fuck off | 20:33 |
| QuantumG | I reply to him privately and explain why it's funny and how he should enjoy the nutjobs for what they are | 20:33 |
| QuantumG | he replies TO THE LIST and quotes me... | 20:33 |
| kanzure | lovely | 20:33 |
| QuantumG | and no, these weren't you kind of crazy | 20:34 |
| kanzure | is there worse? | 20:34 |
| kanzure | am i being out done? :( | 20:34 |
| QuantumG | these were "I call fraud on Interorbital Systems without any evidence at all" | 20:34 |
| QuantumG | Interorbital Systems guy responding with threats of lawsuits | 20:35 |
| kanzure | hahah | 20:35 |
| QuantumG | I mean, who can't see the funny in that | 20:35 |
| kanzure | my new goal in life is to randomly call people who post their phone numbers on the internet, and make up shit to be angry about and call them during random hours of the night about | 20:36 |
| kanzure | "what, what? why are you calling? DMCA? FBI? holy shit! yes sir, right away sir" | 20:36 |
| QuantumG | so Steve Mann called you eh | 20:40 |
| kanzure | huh? no | 20:40 |
| QuantumG | oh, martin.. I have no idea who that is | 20:40 |
| QuantumG | some wanna-be steve mann? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | http://austinhackerspace.org/ | 20:41 |
| kanzure | nothing related to steve mann | 20:41 |
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| QuantumG | oh, fenn's the wanna-be steve mann.. gotcha | 20:42 |
| kanzure | context, yo. it's important | 20:42 |
| QuantumG | sure is | 20:42 |
| klafka | added to autojoin | 20:42 |
| QuantumG | I didn't know fenn had gotten his wearable wearable | 20:42 |
| kanzure | it's not | 20:42 |
| kanzure | but he emulates it with pen-and-paper mode | 20:43 |
| QuantumG | so, still thinking about this space activity suit | 20:51 |
| QuantumG | a normally lose system probably would mean you could get "one size fits all" | 20:53 |
| QuantumG | as in, you put it on and it's lose, then apply constant voltage and it contracts to supply the required pressure | 20:53 |
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| kanzure | hello dequeued | 21:06 |
| kanzure | what brings you to diybio? | 21:07 |
| dequeued | someone mentioned it in #alphaonelabs | 21:17 |
| dequeued | so, meh, idling here | 21:17 |
| kanzure | oh, that was mac | 21:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.g-language.org/g3/ zoomable user interface for molecular biology | 21:36 |
| kanzure | heh it uses google maps | 21:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/BankIt/ | 21:59 |
| kanzure | dequeued: http://diybio.org/ http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F | 22:07 |
| klafka | http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2010/02/area_responsible_for.html | 22:09 |
| kanzure | haha | 22:10 |
| kanzure | also, paperlinks are better than random news article links | 22:10 |
| klafka | i thought it was funny | 22:10 |
| klafka | :P | 22:10 |
| dequeued | interesting | 22:10 |
| klafka | and relevant | 22:10 |
| kanzure | it is funny :) | 22:10 |
| kanzure | highly relevant | 22:10 |
| kanzure | YES http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/02/triceracopter.html triceracopter | 22:37 |
| ybit | anyone aware of stats showing the # of engineers and scientists retired, working, or training? | 22:41 |
| ybit | ..in the u.s. | 22:41 |
| kanzure | http://bls.gov/ have fun | 22:43 |
| kanzure | also http://dol.gov/ but i think it has less data | 22:43 |
| ybit | thanks kanzure | 22:54 |
| ybit | there's also http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/srvygrads/ http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/srvyrecentgrads/ and http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/srvydoctoratework/ | 22:54 |
| dequeued | u | 22:55 |
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| JayDugger | Hello, all. | 23:23 |
| kanzure | hey JayDugger | 23:23 |
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| kanzure | is there an "argument by exhaustion" where someone just tries to talk to you until you admit that they are right? | 23:35 |
| kanzure | that's what i feel like the internet is trying to do to me :/ | 23:35 |
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| QuantumG | Bob_Richards: Scott Hassen used a WillowGarage virtual presence robot to attend #SingularityU lectures today http://twitpic.com/16bxmn | 23:44 |
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