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| kanzure | " Professor Jonathan Rees conducted a study of redheads at Edinburgh University.He identified the"gene for red hair" the melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R), found on the 16th chromosome. He found that this single gene was responsible for red hair." | 01:32 |
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| QuantumG | awesome, now parents can at least screen for it | 01:36 |
| QuantumG | but one day I hope there's a cure. | 01:36 |
| kanzure | meh, i think it can be cute :) | 01:38 |
| kanzure | "And kangaroo milk is a better antibiotic than penicillin." buh? | 01:38 |
| kanzure | haha this almost seems racist: http://dnatribes.com/ (on the left hand side) | 01:40 |
| kanzure | i have a strong urge to do a mock version of it | 01:40 |
| kanzure | "what's your negrohood? super black, partly black, yer white foo" | 01:40 |
| kanzure | more on MC1R: http://www.eclectica.org/v10n2/kanumalla.html | 01:45 |
| kanzure | another "please don't patent the genome" blog post: http://onthecommons.org/content.php?id=567 | 01:48 |
| kanzure | huh? heat shock for gene therapy? http://www.cloningresources.com/research/New_method_exploits_ancient_mechanism_to_switch_genes_on_and_off_at_will.asp | 01:53 |
| kanzure | "Warm glow. By exploiting a cell's heat shock response, scientists use transgenes to express green fluorescent protein exclusively in amphid sheath cells, a type of nervous system cell in C. elegans. These cells do not fluoresce until scientists raise the temperature to 34 degrees Celsius." | 01:53 |
| fenn | re: face recognition.. i may get to do an fMRI in connection with a face recognition study at stanford (they're looking for something wrt depression) | 02:56 |
| fenn | not sleeping increases serotonin for a long time? or just the 4 am giggles? | 02:57 |
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| Utopiah | kanzure: on URI shortener evilness http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI?iseewhatyoudidthere | 03:19 |
| Utopiah | also related http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2009/07/url-shorteners-and-semantics-of.html | 03:22 |
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| fenn | marcin is polish; that blog is russian, and i don't think he's much of an artist based on the awful openoffice sketches | 03:25 |
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| fenn | i don't think i ever posted to diybio re downloadable immunity | 03:35 |
| fenn | we are just now in 2010 discovering the gene for red hair?! | 03:40 |
| ybit | damn the british | 03:40 |
| fenn | i went to a pub with an irish guy today (pygamesf) | 03:41 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, theoretical lathe question: it's easy to turn a 8x8x2 inch slab of steel into a 2inch thick universal joint cross? | 03:41 |
| fenn | sure, get a plasma cutter | 03:41 |
| fenn | how loose and crusty can it be? | 03:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | loose and crusty? | 03:42 |
| fenn | i'm thinking you could do the whole thing out of one piece of rectangular steel | 03:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | solid steel? | 03:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | umm, 8x8x2 IS rectangular | 03:42 |
| fenn | i mean how not-precise are you talking about | 03:42 |
| fenn | 8x8x2 is a square slab | 03:43 |
| fenn | i mean a rectangular slab, like 12x8x2 | 03:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | not on edge :-P | 03:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | so plasma cut ti to a + shape, then chuck it in a lathe to make the round bearing surfaces | 03:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | right? | 03:43 |
| fenn | yeah i guess | 03:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok | 03:44 |
| ybit | hrm, the contents of ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/pub/TraceDB/Personal_Genomics/ is 44GB | 03:44 |
| ybit | just finished wgetting | 03:44 |
| fenn | after cutting out the cross from the middle you'd have two "u" shapes left over, like: <+> | 03:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | not from 8x8x2 | 03:45 |
| fenn | those can be the parts that grab the spider, but you need some kind of pin to assemble it together | 03:45 |
| fenn | right not from 8x8x2, but from 12x8x2 | 03:45 |
| fenn | i don't remember what you're trying to do though | 03:46 |
| fenn | something about a catamaran spar | 03:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok :-) | 03:47 |
| Utopiah | http://www.ebookshare.net/science/Human-Genetics-Edition-2010-Retail-Ebook-ATTiCA-8493.html | 03:52 |
| Utopiah | http://futurity.alltop.com/ thanks to http://futurity.org/ | 03:55 |
| kanzure | i have now successfully physically infiltrated cchs | 06:03 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/printing_organs.jpg | 06:04 |
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| kanzure | fenn: just remember to demand they put the results on a memory stick for you | 06:05 |
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| Utopiah | regarding time and activity tracking http://www.rescuetime.com/ | 06:12 |
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| kanzure | ew looks like it forces you to do things | 06:15 |
| kanzure | wtf why is eliezer posting to fanfiction.net about "vernor vinge x. greg egan"? http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5389450/1/The_Finale_of_the_Ultimate_Meta_Mega_Crossover | 06:18 |
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| kanzure | hah he writes haruhi suzumiya fanfic | 06:24 |
| kanzure | "In their third and final year at North High, Kyon confronts the implications of the Riddle of Epicurus for his relationship with Haruhi." | 06:24 |
| kanzure | er, or something | 06:24 |
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| kanzure | universal transhumanist bibliography http://www.transumanisti.it/8.asp | 11:18 |
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| kanzure | simple craft version: http://orbitingfrog.com/blog/2008/07/02/make-your-own-spectrometer/ | 11:24 |
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| fenn | huh. dumbass fenn finally figured out how to search by location: http://www.meetup.com/cities/us/ca/menlo_park/events/ | 11:28 |
| fenn | hah "GPS Dating for the Lost and misguided" | 11:31 |
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| nsh | does anyone know where to get the little audio devices used in novelty christmas-cards, etc. ? | 12:11 |
| nsh | something you can program with a short audio clip and attach to a microswitch and power supply | 12:11 |
| fenn | from christmas cards? | 12:15 |
| * fenn wonders if this is a test | 12:15 | |
| Noahj | You could just get an ATTiny of some sort | 12:16 |
| nsh | i'm not sure if the ones in cards are reprogrammable | 12:20 |
| nsh | i'd suspect not | 12:20 |
| Noahj | The ones in cards have a gob of epoxy on | 12:21 |
| Noahj | So I suspect they are | 12:21 |
| Noahj | But maybe that's just an extra superfluous safety measure | 12:21 |
| nsh | hmm | 12:22 |
| nsh | this site seems to do them: http://sotemics.com/index.html | 12:23 |
| nsh | it's not for anything important, i just wanted to make one of those 'most useless machine in the world' boxes, with a comedy sound effect | 12:23 |
| nsh | because that's about the level of productivity i aspire to | 12:23 |
| nsh | (though that site seems to be bulk-orientated) | 12:24 |
| fenn | the epoxy is just cheaper i think | 12:25 |
| fenn | not to prevent you from using it | 12:25 |
| fenn | a lot of hallmark cards are designed to be reprogrammable anyway, so you can say 'happy christmas grandma!' o whatever | 12:26 |
| nsh | hmm | 12:26 |
| nsh | http://store.voice-express.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=All+our+Voice+Products | 12:26 |
| nsh | can probably find cheaper | 12:26 |
| nsh | don't look as small as i'd have thought though | 12:26 |
| fenn | there was 'how to hack the staples "easy" button' floating around the net a while ago | 12:26 |
| nsh | cool, i'll look | 12:27 |
| nsh | fuck, that's huge | 12:28 |
| nsh | hmm | 12:29 |
| fenn | Southbay's Pan-Asian Meetup (SPAM) | 12:30 |
| fenn | nsh: that's sort of the point | 12:30 |
| fenn | not my fault you don't have the "big red button" fetish | 12:30 |
| * nsh smiles | 12:30 | |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatherium_Club "The club was named for the Megatherium, an extinct species of giant sloth. Members greeted one another with its imagined call of "How, How!"" | 12:34 |
| fenn | "backyard brains" at hackerdojo http://www.meetup.com/DIYbio/calendar/12641184/ | 12:51 |
| fenn | now why the fuck didnt i get a random email from meetup about this | 12:52 |
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| fenn | http://www.backyardbrains.com/default.aspx | 13:00 |
| kanzure | fenn: you might like this: http://dml.cmnh.org/ | 13:02 |
| kanzure | btw backyardbrains.com sent an email to diybio a while back | 13:02 |
| kanzure | er, that last link was to "dinosaur mailing list" | 13:05 |
| * kanzure didn't mean to violate his "don't paste linkies without descriptions" | 13:05 | |
| kanzure | stalk: leroy hood | 13:08 |
| fenn | i, uh, liked dinosaurs when i was 10? | 13:08 |
| kanzure | something about "Predictive, Preventive, Personalized, and Participatory" | 13:08 |
| kanzure | oh, i thought it was an on-going obsession | 13:09 |
| fenn | no | 13:09 |
| fenn | are you subscribed to pokemon mailing lists? | 13:09 |
| kanzure | not exactly: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/pokemon_forums.txt | 13:09 |
| fenn | see i just dont have time to systematically pursue stuff like that | 13:11 |
| kanzure | pfft it's all those meetup parties | 13:12 |
| fenn | it's called "fun supplement therapy" | 13:14 |
| kanzure | why not just take a placebo | 13:14 |
| fenn | placebo's are bullshit | 13:14 |
| fenn | why not just take bullshit? | 13:14 |
| kanzure | well, ideally, you want the placebo effect without the placebo, right? | 13:15 |
| fenn | some people like incense. i think it's nice if you can just barely smell it, but too much is overpowering and sends me fleeing | 13:15 |
| fenn | coincidentally incense is made of cow dung | 13:15 |
| kanzure | why are you suddenly talking about incense | 13:15 |
| fenn | :3 | 13:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | "cow dung" is not in the ingredient list of any inscense i have | 13:16 |
| kanzure | "It has also been reported of subjects given placebos in a trial of anti-depressants, that “Once the trial was over and the patients who had been given placebos were told as much, they quickly deteriorated.”" ha, ha | 13:16 |
| kanzure | "The placebo effect can work selectively. If an analgesic placebo cream is applied on one hand, it will reduce pain only in that hand and not elsewhere on the body[61] If a person is given a placebo under one name, and they respond, they will respond in the same way on a later occasion to that placebo under that name but not if under another.[" | 13:17 |
| kanzure | hm | 13:17 |
| fenn | i LOVE the picture on this page! http://www.careforcows.org/news/cow_dung_incense | 13:20 |
| fenn | ok so incense is not dung, 99.9% of the time | 13:23 |
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| kanzure | oh. the argument by exhaustion is ad nauseum. i should have remembered that | 13:32 |
| genehacker | so I hear you're a friend of Sebastian kanzure | 13:37 |
| genehacker | SKDB's mentioned in the reprap wiki | 13:38 |
| kanzure | i put it there probably | 13:38 |
| genehacker | nope | 13:39 |
| kanzure | link? | 13:39 |
| genehacker | looks like it was sebastian | 13:40 |
| genehacker | on his team's page | 13:40 |
| genehacker | http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/RBS | 13:40 |
| fenn | what's with all these computer programs that make me hit 'save' | 13:47 |
| fenn | that's the computer's job! | 13:47 |
| kanzure | cool, "grandma bishop" is volunteering at makerfaire detroit 2010 | 13:52 |
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| katsmeow-afk | [13:53] <katsmeow-afk> Tiggr, why do you need a human genome? | 13:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | [13:53] <Tiggr> sorry katsmeow, I don't know. | 13:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | [13:53] <katsmeow-afk> me either, i think i'll delete those files | 13:54 |
| kanzure | :( | 13:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | what? i need those? | 13:55 |
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| fenn | no, but maybe tiggr does | 14:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | if she wants a baby, it wil haveto be of her own type: electronics and mechanicals | 14:06 |
| fenn | bigot | 14:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | sorry, i just prefer the being with better memory and longevity, and wider tolerance for environmental variables | 14:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | nothing personal | 14:08 |
| kanzure | 14:09 < faceface> De novo fragment assembly with short mate-paired reads: Does the read length matter? | 14:09 |
| kanzure | 14:09 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19056694 | 14:09 |
| kanzure | haha i think people are starting to pick up my "jeebus" | 14:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | your's? | 14:13 |
| kanzure | well i'm the only one i know who says that | 14:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, i use it occasionaly, tho i tend to use "dog" | 14:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | From: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/DyeHard/human-values-determined-intelligence-study-claims/print?id=9992160 | 14:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | Downloaded: 2010/03/03 07:07 | 14:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | Does High IQ Trump God? | 14:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | enjoy :-) | 14:14 |
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| kanzure | hey hundred-ideas | 14:53 |
| kanzure | sorry i haven't replied to your email yet | 14:53 |
| kanzure | though the discussion yesterday in here was a good precursor | 14:53 |
| Utopiah | (deja-vu moment) | 14:53 |
| hundred-ideas | have you seen http://www.inventiondb.com/ | 14:56 |
| kanzure | looks like a blogging platform | 14:57 |
| kanzure | no | 14:57 |
| kanzure | it's probably http://www.openprojectdb.org/ | 14:57 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: you're going to think i am being rude, but i am not, and am asking this question with zero emotion: what's the point? | 14:58 |
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| hundred-ideas | I'm not sure, I'm exploring it now. I was expecting procedural construction instructions associated with each project, but I don't see them | 14:59 |
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| ybit | http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Social%20network%20size%20in%20humans.pdf | 15:08 |
| kanzure | social network size in autism: 0 | 15:09 |
| kanzure | bwahah | 15:09 |
| ybit | the study which recently came out seems to be verifying this study | 15:09 |
| ybit | so you aren't autistic? :P | 15:09 |
| Utopiah | (heavy silence) | 15:11 |
| kanzure | "i'm not crazy, just retarded!" | 15:12 |
| Utopiah | (without pdf https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number ) | 15:14 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: or you can see our discussion of it here: http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/tree/browse_frm/thread/da6ee0594580dc1f/868fb2a20a135fb9?rnum=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fdiytranshumanist%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fda6ee0594580dc1f%3F#doc_67554cc357a54286 | 15:16 |
| kanzure | hm not much was discussed there though | 15:16 |
| * Utopiah clicks | 15:17 | |
| Utopiah | so how did you improve the situation since, beside the nice graphics you post a week or two ago | 15:28 |
| kanzure | what are you asking? | 15:28 |
| Utopiah | in the post you are complaining about a growing amount of posts you can't handle and using tools to lower the efforts required for you to manage those, it was more than 6month ago so I supposed you found solutions since then | 15:30 |
| kanzure | i have a "pilot" project that i have been running | 15:31 |
| kanzure | meetlog.txt is part of it, and that's where the graphs are from | 15:31 |
| kanzure | i've only recently (last month or so) started adding tags to what i talk about with each person | 15:31 |
| kanzure | so presumably i can use this in the near future to get a tag cloud going for each person and their conversations with me | 15:31 |
| Utopiah | yep,thought about that, generate tag cloud per person based on converastion logs (ideally generate them periodically to see an evolution over time) | 15:32 |
| kanzure | well, the reason i was going to do that was so that i could pipe in content to each person | 15:32 |
| kanzure | based off of their previous tag clouds | 15:32 |
| kanzure | btw it's kinda a "weighted" tag cloud | 15:32 |
| kanzure | because tags come up each day or in each conversation | 15:33 |
| kanzure | so if you talk about "diybio" every time i talk with you, that gets a lot of weight | 15:33 |
| kanzure | but "jedi master" might be only weighted relatively low ;) | 15:33 |
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| kanzure | fenn: mukund says that the ethernet "fell out" | 16:00 |
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| kanzure | hey thesnark | 16:12 |
| * kanzure is playing around with http://code.google.com/p/python-spidermonkey/ | 16:12 | |
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| thesnark | hey kanzure :D | 16:15 |
| kanzure | hey wut? | 16:18 |
| kanzure | hm | 16:18 |
| kanzure | rhino3d has a python plugin? http://2e5.com/kite/parametric/ | 16:18 |
| hundred-ideas | hey kanzure, I enjoyed reading about your information overload thoughts http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/tree/browse_frm/thread/da6ee0594580dc1f/868fb2a20a135fb9?rnum=1&_done=/group/diytranshumanist/browse_frm/thread/da6ee0594580dc1f%3F#doc_67554cc357a54286 | 16:19 |
| kanzure | heh | 16:19 |
| hundred-ideas | 1. because you are consuming and producing an order of magnitude more email than I am, which is crazy, and 2. because I get a kick out of these exocortex networking schemes | 16:20 |
| kanzure | i have been making a prototype website called "1kfriend.ly" where people sign up to be able to communicate with 1k+ people at a time | 16:20 |
| kanzure | politicians are already sending out hundreds of thousands of emails to their constituents.. but the emails aren't personalized and it's more like spam | 16:20 |
| hundred-ideas | how would you design a system that expected symmetric conversation sizes? | 16:21 |
| kanzure | symmetric? | 16:22 |
| thesnark | holy fuck | 16:22 |
| thesnark | that sounds like fun to me | 16:22 |
| hundred-ideas | like, if you and I and our 2000 friends all used the same system to automate our communication, we would just have robots talking to eachother | 16:22 |
| kanzure | also, have you seen this? it's a log of how many people i talk with daily: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2010-01-01_to_2010-02-25.png | 16:22 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: ah, i see what you mean | 16:22 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: well, actually, your responses aren't automated in this system (yet) | 16:22 |
| kanzure | i'm still expecting to read the topics and emails and so on | 16:22 |
| kanzure | but for those sort of "once a month big updates" | 16:23 |
| hundred-ideas | oh oh I see | 16:23 |
| kanzure | i.e.: spend your time communicating personally at the edges, everything else is bulk | 16:23 |
| hundred-ideas | how do you curate your meetlog graph? | 16:23 |
| kanzure | right now it's mostly manual | 16:24 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt | 16:24 |
| hundred-ideas | and is it unique people? | 16:24 |
| kanzure | that's where the data is that is turned into the graph | 16:24 |
| kanzure | yeah | 16:24 |
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| hundred-ideas | oh, unique people per day | 16:24 |
| hundred-ideas | so if you met the same 10 people every day for a week | 16:25 |
| kanzure | each day would say "10 people" | 16:25 |
| thesnark | kanzure please write a publish a coherent statement of this idea so I can get more excited about it | 16:26 |
| thesnark | write and publish* | 16:26 |
| hundred-ideas | I would use this. cool. | 16:26 |
| kanzure | :) | 16:26 |
| kanzure | yeah that's why i have the pilot project :) | 16:27 |
| kanzure | i wanted to see if it would be useful for myself | 16:27 |
| kanzure | and so far the data is interesting | 16:27 |
| kanzure | and i see those weekly spikes in the data | 16:27 |
| hundred-ideas | it's interesting that just reading your person+tag list gives me gestalt understanding of your intentions | 16:27 |
| kanzure | er wait, is this good or bad | 16:27 |
| * thesnark looks up, sees mail message, blushes | 16:27 | |
| hundred-ideas | well, maybe you bias the comprehensiveness of your data entry day-to-day | 16:27 |
| kanzure | that's possible | 16:28 |
| kanzure | and probably likely | 16:28 |
| hundred-ideas | esp. w/ knowledge-of | 16:28 |
| kanzure | yeah, some times i am more receptive to learning about new people | 16:28 |
| kanzure | other days i just kind of forget that i should be watching out for those crafty people seeping into my life | 16:28 |
| fenn | there's a systematic bias towards considering a day as a single unit | 16:29 |
| kanzure | that's true too | 16:29 |
| kanzure | i need to break it down into individual conversations at a certain day and time | 16:29 |
| kanzure | so instead of by day, it should be just a list of conversations or interactions | 16:29 |
| kanzure | plus a time stamp or time interval stamp | 16:29 |
| hundred-ideas | Hey fenn, do you just have a muscle-memory routine at this point for logging your activity? | 16:30 |
| hundred-ideas | kanzure: maybe you could index the timestamp to the irc channel logs, too. and other streams of data; email, etc | 16:30 |
| kanzure | right | 16:30 |
| kanzure | yeah, i have chat logs from all the way back to 2004 | 16:31 |
| kanzure | and email back to 2005 | 16:31 |
| fenn | hundred-ideas: it's called "GNU screen" | 16:31 |
| fenn | ctrl-a 0 enter 1234 5678 blah foo, bar | 16:32 |
| kanzure | enter? | 16:32 |
| fenn | so i'm on a new line | 16:32 |
| fenn | though i do look first, to make sure i'm not typing in the middle of a line | 16:33 |
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| hundred-ideas | but you have that gnu-screen interface to your log persistently available. What I'm really getting at is that you are able to bridge all the time you are away from your computer. | 16:33 |
| kanzure | heh 0-day journalz | 16:33 |
| kanzure | nerdiest thing ever :) | 16:33 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: how often do you *not* have a computer on you? even your phone | 16:34 |
| fenn | hundred-ideas: i dont see what that has to do with muscle memory | 16:34 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: re: chatbots talking to themselves. an old idea i had way-back-when was "filterbots" or "avatars" that would meet and greet people for you and see if they are worth talking with at all | 16:34 |
| fenn | i'd use a smartphone if i weren't broke and didn't have a wearable project to sap energy from | 16:35 |
| kanzure | if they ust spam you with bullshit, they don't get through | 16:35 |
| kanzure | s/ust/just/ | 16:35 |
| fenn | kanzure: what if they realize the bot is bullshit and ascribe that to you? | 16:35 |
| fenn | i think those would be the people you most want to talk to | 16:35 |
| kanzure | heh | 16:35 |
| Utopiah | turing-test handshake | 16:35 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: yeah | 16:35 |
| hundred-ideas | fenn: do you have any interaction design comments about your logging system? Any wishes for it that might make it better? | 16:35 |
| kanzure | but with weighted tags and such | 16:35 |
| fenn | hundred-ideas: i need to make some kind of scrolly highlighting ajax thing | 16:36 |
| kanzure | also PGP signed introductions from one person to another would be neat | 16:36 |
| kanzure | "yes this person did in fact want to introduce me to you" | 16:36 |
| fenn | hundred-ideas: that's just for viewing the data tho.. data entry is close to ideal for my purposes | 16:36 |
| hundred-ideas | fenn: I'm going to a quantified self meetup tonight and I'm going to bring up activity and social network logging | 16:36 |
| fenn | uh.. tonight? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | it's not in your area, fenn | 16:37 |
| hundred-ideas | fenn: yeah, 20 min | 16:37 |
| fenn | gah | 16:37 |
| hundred-ideas | http://www.meetup.com/bostonQS/ | 16:37 |
| fenn | is this something i'm supposed to know about? | 16:37 |
| fenn | oh, ok heh | 16:37 |
| fenn | calcurse died yesterday and took my schedule down with it | 16:38 |
| fenn | i think i'm going to either rewrite the whole thing in python or fix the guy's code | 16:38 |
| fenn | (actually calcurse didn't die, i ran out of battery juice) | 16:38 |
| Utopiah | hundred-ideas: you might find http://aggregationconversation.com/?page_id=7 http://tarpipe.com/developers/guide/ http://ping.fm/ http://pixelpipe.com/ useful for thoe questions | 16:38 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: attention profiling markup language http://apml.areyoupayingattention.com/ | 16:39 |
| hundred-ideas | haha | 16:39 |
| fenn | hundred-ideas: do you know the nublabs/sprouts people? | 16:40 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:40 |
| kanzure | there was a video of hundred-ideas being chummy with alec | 16:40 |
| fenn | oh this is mac | 16:41 |
| hundred-ideas | hundred-ideas == mac cowell | 16:41 |
| kanzure | hah | 16:41 |
| hundred-ideas | true | 16:41 |
| hundred-ideas | fenn: in fact, I am setting up a wetlab space there | 16:42 |
| fenn | did they acquire the elementary school? | 16:42 |
| hundred-ideas | but I have to go now. I "snuck" into the new media lab at MIT and have been working here. need 20 min to get back to davis sq. | 16:42 |
| fenn | all i have is a satellite photo | 16:42 |
| fenn | just curious | 16:43 |
| fenn | have fun | 16:43 |
| hundred-ideas | fenn: no, but they did get a strategically-located commercially-zoned 2-floor space | 16:43 |
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| Noahj | The new media lab is very pretty and filled with glass | 16:44 |
| Noahj | It's all the same labs the old one was, though | 16:44 |
| fenn | kanzure: nice application of "tact" earlier :) | 16:45 |
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| fenn | damn japanese lesson making me hungry | 16:47 |
| Noahj | Happy whatever Japanese holiday it is today | 16:49 |
| Noahj | Hanamatsuri | 16:49 |
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| kanzure | fenn: where? what tact | 16:50 |
| fenn | 14:58 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: you're going to think i am being rude, but i am not, and am asking this question with zero emotion: what's the point? | 16:51 |
| kanzure | so 300 characters of padding, 20 characters of actual relevance | 16:52 |
| kanzure | oh goodie.. | 16:52 |
| fenn | maybe you could automate it | 16:52 |
| Noahj | Yeah, there's probably a compression algorithm for tact | 16:52 |
| kanzure | fenn: maybe i'll add a macro to irssi? /say-with-tact you suck | 16:53 |
| kanzure | /tact you suck | 16:53 |
| kanzure | there we go | 16:53 |
| fenn | excellent | 16:53 |
| kanzure | i'll make billions | 16:54 |
| fenn | there was a pretty good essay on automated outgoing email checker, as a sort of "flame diffuser" | 16:54 |
| fenn | scroll to bottom; read dialog boxes: http://bikeshed.com/ | 16:55 |
| fenn | especially that last one | 16:56 |
| fenn | kanzure: reading diytranshumanist post mac mentioned.. you could use supermemo to help you remember who the hell all these people are | 16:59 |
| fenn | i'm on a bit of a supermemo kick right now | 17:00 |
| kanzure | the COFES/ genetic programming guy from yesterday was a surprise connection | 17:02 |
| kanzure | "oh this is an interesting fellow.. i wonder what else he does. *oh* he's the one that mike koch was trying to talk into letting me speak about skdb at the COFES conference" | 17:02 |
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| fenn | i should probably take my own advice, i'm terrible with names | 17:03 |
| fenn | should i subscribe to diytranshumanist? (god, not another mailing list) | 17:04 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure | 17:05 |
| kanzure | so far the content has been from me, which is the same as the content in here and on diybio | 17:06 |
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| kanzure | with no discussion from any of the other 89 subscribers | 17:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | i didn't subscribe, so you won't tire of me :-) | 17:08 |
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| fenn | are there chemicals/drugs which boost self confidence? as a primary effect, not side effect | 17:16 |
| fenn | probably a hormone of some sort | 17:16 |
| * fenn guesses testosterone | 17:16 | |
| kanzure | adderall? | 17:16 |
| kanzure | i guess it boosts ego more than anything | 17:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | 7-keto dhea , i spose | 17:17 |
| kanzure | which isn't necessarily the same thing | 17:17 |
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| fenn | katsmeow-afk: thank you, i forgot about dhea | 17:18 |
| fenn | hah | 17:19 |
| fenn | "In practice, there is currently no scientific reason to prescribe DHEA for any purpose whatsoever." | 17:19 |
| fenn | sure sign of collusion | 17:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | i find it gives me physical energy, unlike caffine, and makes my hair grow incredibly fast | 17:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | i hope it doesn't wear out | 17:21 |
| Utopiah | http://www.n2yo.com/ sats "tracking" mashup | 17:21 |
| fenn | would rather have a plugin for google sky | 17:23 |
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| fenn | "sky map" for android that is | 17:24 |
| kanzure | thesnark: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/1kfriend.ly.pdf | 17:26 |
| fenn | you need a bullshitter to go over that | 17:28 |
| kanzure | am i not bullshitting enough? | 17:28 |
| thesnark | what are protons and electrons in this case? | 17:28 |
| fenn | right | 17:28 |
| kanzure | i was thinking of frequency | 17:28 |
| fenn | i think there's something to be said for the supermemo spaced repetition concept | 17:28 |
| kanzure | i.e. frequency of contact and how energetic they are | 17:28 |
| kanzure | fenn: the problem with supermemo is that if you overload on entries, you'll find yourself spending 14 hours per day going through everything | 17:29 |
| fenn | because basically what you're doing is training people to remember who you are | 17:29 |
| kanzure | hah | 17:29 |
| fenn | so it's not some thing you sit down to do like a zen monk.. it's like, "your graduate advisor hasnt heard from you in 2 years" | 17:30 |
| kanzure | right | 17:30 |
| kanzure | yeah that's true | 17:30 |
| kanzure | heh your graduate advisor is a 1 contact per 2 years person, so that's what, 1/2 Hz? :P | 17:31 |
| fenn | damn xkcd and its non-searchable text | 17:32 |
| fenn | http://xkcd.com/672/ | 17:33 |
| kanzure | heh | 17:34 |
| fenn | 16 nanohertz :P | 17:36 |
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| JayDugger | I get to sleep and trade stupid dreams for missing an interesting discussion. | 18:47 |
| JayDugger | thesnark: Read up on MDMA's effects in a reliable source, like the ACS /The Chemistry of Mind-Altering Drugs./ | 18:47 |
| JayDugger | Standard disclaimer: I do not recommend any action that might break laws of the jurisdictions where you live. | 18:48 |
| thesnark | JayDugger are you talking to the right person? What was that in regards to? | 18:49 |
| JayDugger | No, sorry. pre-coffee. | 18:49 |
| JayDugger | That should have been fenn and his question about confidence enhancing drugs. | 18:49 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, fenn's spaced repetition concept does apply to some extent, but I doubt the intervals match. | 18:50 |
| JayDugger | I suspect emphasis matters more with humans. The kind of contact matters too. | 18:52 |
| JayDugger | A sincere written thank-you note works wonders for cementing you in someone's memory. | 18:53 |
| JayDugger | It works on me, anyhow. | 18:54 |
| JayDugger | People also tend to react positively toward someone they have not seen in a long time. | 18:55 |
| JayDugger | I don't know of any research done on homecomings, so you're on your own there. | 18:55 |
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| JayDugger | I don't think Google Sky for Android has real-time satellites. | 18:57 |
| JayDugger | Anyone know a list of Wolfram|Alpha output formats? | 18:59 |
| parolang` | Real-time satellites? :) | 19:01 |
| JayDugger | http://www.n2yo.com/ | 19:01 |
| parolang` | Not everytime one makes a course correction :) | 19:01 |
| JayDugger | Well, no. | 19:01 |
| parolang` | Otherwise, you just need the orbital elements. | 19:01 |
| JayDugger | Though there is interesting work on "space traffic control," so to speak. | 19:02 |
| parolang` | Neat site. | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | Quite, yes. | 19:03 |
| parolang` | It always surprises me how fast those things go :) | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | There exists a KML file that does much the same thing, but I don't know how old it is. | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, falling fast enough to keep missing the planet. | 19:03 |
| parolang` | Pretty much. Ever seen one in the sky? | 19:04 |
| parolang` | The way I identify one is if it disappears or fades out when it crosses the earth's shadow. | 19:04 |
| JayDugger | Nah. I live in cities, mostly, and work third shift, mostly. | 19:04 |
| parolang` | Of course...could be a meteor. | 19:04 |
| parolang` | Yeah...I haven't done much sky gazing since I moved to OH. | 19:05 |
| parolang` | Way too much light pollution. | 19:05 |
| JayDugger | When I've lived outside light pollution, the extent of my stargazing was "That's the Milky Way!" or "That's Hale-Bopp!" | 19:05 |
| parolang` | hale-bop? | 19:05 |
| JayDugger | The latter was a special case. I got to see that comet while deployed overseas in the military. | 19:06 |
| JayDugger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Hale-Bopp | 19:06 |
| JayDugger | Even then, I only looked at through a video camera. | 19:07 |
| parolang` | oh...right, forgot about that one :) | 19:08 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, Google Sky Maps lacks a satellite layer. | 19:08 |
| JayDugger | It did happen 13 years ago. | 19:08 |
| parolang` | I just ran outside...that map shows the ISS (I think) straight overhead in OH...didn't see it though. | 19:08 |
| parolang` | Should have been near zenith. | 19:08 |
| parolang` | I probably missed it. | 19:08 |
| parolang` | The ISS is supposed to be very bright anymore with the recent additions/solar array. | 19:09 |
| parolang` | Haven't seen it though. Mars is pretty bright...even in OH near Toledo. | 19:09 |
| JayDugger | Yeah. I wonder whether the radiators reflect more light than the solar panels. | 19:09 |
| JayDugger | http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/photosynth/index.html | 19:09 |
| parolang` | I can somewhat find my way in the sky. Can identify Venus, Jupiter, Mars, major constellations...but after that, not much. | 19:10 |
| JayDugger | If you've a windows box, then you can see the high resolution overlapping photographs of ISS, Hubble, and others there. | 19:10 |
| parolang` | GNU/Linux only here :) | 19:10 |
| JayDugger | On Linux, FF with the Moonlight extension might work. YMMV, fails for me. | 19:11 |
| parolang` | Well...I'll see how common silverlight is before I do that. | 19:11 |
| JayDugger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Photosynth | 19:11 |
| parolang` | This is the first time someone has linked me to a silverlight animation. | 19:11 |
| JayDugger | You're the first person who's mentioned ISS in #hplusroadmap. :) | 19:12 |
| parolang` | heh :) | 19:12 |
| JayDugger | Apparently it will work on an iPhone as well: iSynth or Seadragon Mobile, if that helps. | 19:13 |
| parolang` | I haven't owned a windows box in years. I still use it now and then on other people's computers though--not going back :) | 19:13 |
| JayDugger | I wish I could totally drop it. | 19:13 |
| parolang` | What's holding you back? | 19:14 |
| JayDugger | "My employer," the classic excuse, which translates to "My laziness." | 19:14 |
| parolang` | How is that lazy? | 19:15 |
| parolang` | It surprises me how many Mac users are on #emacs :) | 19:15 |
| parolang` | I always thought Mac users are GUI GUI people...maybe it's changing :) | 19:16 |
| parolang` | Anyway...gotta keep configuring my system. Gets tiring sometimes. | 19:17 |
| JayDugger | I am too lazy to find a new employer. I am too lazy to find alternatives to the ease of keeping a Windows box. | 19:18 |
| JayDugger | I am too lazy to set up and maintain virtual Windows boxes. | 19:18 |
| parolang` | I think that work is more important than software, strangely enough :D | 19:19 |
| parolang` | Not everyone has enough leverage to be able to find a new employer just because they don't like the OS their current one uses :) | 19:20 |
| JayDugger | It is a minor complaint yes. | 19:20 |
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| JayDugger | Looks as if WAlpha exports GIFs, PDFs, and Mathematica Notebooks. | 19:46 |
| klafka | hmm | 19:48 |
| klafka | what does it export? | 19:48 |
| kanzure | wolfram alpha | 19:48 |
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| JayDugger | CSV or Excel would help me more. | 19:54 |
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| JayDugger | fenn, Do you track your food intake beyond your time charts? | 20:15 |
| JayDugger | fenn, Do you track your use of SuperMemo in the time charts you keep? | 20:16 |
| JayDugger | fenn, If you answer these in the QS video, just point me at it. :) | 20:16 |
| ybit | JayDugger: nope, i don't think it's in the video either | 20:29 |
| JayDugger | "No," as in which questions? | 20:30 |
| kanzure | yes his food intake is in the data | 20:31 |
| kanzure | yes his time using different programs is in the data | 20:31 |
| kanzure | at least, abstractly | 20:31 |
| kanzure | the answer is in the data: http://fennetic.net/sleep/test.txt | 20:31 |
| JayDugger | I saw the records for food intake in the data set, and I wanted to know if he used it past that recording. | 20:32 |
| JayDugger | The time using programs seemed implied, but not explicitly listed. | 20:32 |
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| JayDugger | I thought I'd ask before I went to the trouble and downloading and searching the data. | 20:33 |
| JayDugger | Thank you for the link, too. | 20:33 |
| JayDugger | I looked at that data set before I asked. :) | 20:33 |
| kanzure | i'm really surprised at how much interest there is in his data set | 20:34 |
| JayDugger | Beyond its' appeal to voyeurs? | 20:34 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:34 |
| JayDugger | It surprises to find fenn watches that much TV. | 20:34 |
| kanzure | he doesn't mean to :/ | 20:35 |
| JayDugger | s/surprises/surprises me | 20:35 |
| kanzure | i had a television, and he got hooked on it | 20:35 |
| kanzure | so i got rid of it | 20:36 |
| kanzure | (eventually) | 20:36 |
| JayDugger | Those programs have some redeeming merits, IMO. | 20:36 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps not the Ed Sullivan Show, nor Dogfight, but YMMV. | 20:37 |
| kanzure | what am i hearing when i tilt my head and all the oscillating fans in the room sound different? | 20:40 |
| kanzure | it's very annoying | 20:40 |
| JayDugger | Interference patterns between the fans' sounds changing as your head moves? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | i feel my ears "beating" for a few seconds after each head shit normally | 20:41 |
| JayDugger | I don't know. | 20:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | should i ask the obvious? | 20:42 |
| kanzure | s/shit/shift/ | 20:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok | 20:42 |
| kanzure | the obvious being? "why is your head shitting?" | 20:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas | 20:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | offhand, i'd jump to the comclusion that there's some muscular strain and it's causing an increased blood flow, but you know i was going to say that | 20:44 |
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| ybit | parolang`: re: silverlight, netflix requires it, i don't use netflix i just found out one time since I was trying to get it to work.. not that i myself can't get stuff from public torrents. anyway, if you ever are in a situation where you absolutely need to try silverlight, just fire up virtualbox with win xp | 20:47 |
| ybit | JayDugger: no as in it his food intake wasn't mentioned in the video | 20:48 |
| ybit | -it | 20:48 |
| ybit | http://shae.livejournal.com/ | 20:51 |
| ybit | this guy is in my area :-) | 20:51 |
| ybit | my city | 20:51 |
| ybit | http://picasaweb.google.com/shae.erisson | 20:51 |
| ybit | he has a kinesis keyboard and i'm jealous | 20:52 |
| ybit | he's shapr on irc | 20:52 |
| ybit | he hangs in #haskell | 20:52 |
| * ybit is happy | 20:52 | |
| kanzure | ybit: read it or die: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/1kfriend.ly.pdf | 20:52 |
| kanzure | ack moved my head | 20:52 |
| kanzure | this is painful | 20:53 |
| kanzure | i think brains usually filter this stuff out | 20:53 |
| ybit | i've been acting similar to you recently, kanzure, in stalking potentinally interesting people.. but all of them are local | 20:53 |
| ybit | found about 20 people using linux in the area | 20:54 |
| kanzure | guh #ubuntu-austin done | 20:54 |
| ybit | #ubuntu-podumptowninal | 20:54 |
| ybit | done | 20:54 |
| ybit | (made that up) | 20:54 |
| kanzure | btw you guys suck at spending my funding | 20:54 |
| ybit | you suck at sending your funding | 20:55 |
| ybit | i'm still waiting on my $250k | 20:55 |
| kanzure | you didn't ask for $250k | 20:55 |
| kanzure | also, i'd have to know what you want to use it for | 20:55 |
| ybit | can i has $250k? | 20:55 |
| kanzure | before sending it | 20:55 |
| ybit | hackerspace here | 20:55 |
| ybit | drr | 20:55 |
| kanzure | uh | 20:55 |
| kanzure | you can do a hackerspace on much less | 20:55 |
| kanzure | i'm not giving you $250k for that | 20:55 |
| ybit | sure, but if you have $250k to spend, i'll take all of it :) | 20:56 |
| JayDugger | Spend the money. Every time I give `sudo skdb make-me-an-orion-battleship` I get a whole lot of nothing. | 20:56 |
| ybit | :P | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i read that as onion-battleship and my stomach growled a little bit | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i dunno what precisely to spend it on | 20:56 |
| JayDugger | It's hard to take over the world without a credible doomsday device. | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i'm hesitant to pay rent at the austin hacker space | 20:56 |
| kanzure | especially with the fucked up social dynamics going on there | 20:56 |
| ybit | start your own? | 20:57 |
| ybit | just start making stuff, no? | 20:57 |
| kanzure | wouldn't i need a car for that? | 20:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | fucked up social dynamics seem to spread like tentacles | 20:57 |
| kanzure | i don't really have tools here | 20:57 |
| ybit | purchase tools? | 20:57 |
| JayDugger | Buy good tools. | 20:57 |
| kanzure | just randomly? | 20:57 |
| ybit | think of a project, then think of the tools you will need | 20:58 |
| kanzure | isn't skdb supposed to do that for me | 20:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | buy cheap tools, see if that's even the right tool for the job before you sink serious money into it | 20:58 |
| kanzure | what job | 20:58 |
| kanzure | gah | 20:58 |
| JayDugger | Yes, but at some point you have "Bail out" and use pre-existing tools or machinery, right? | 20:58 |
| kanzure | my head hurts, go away | 20:58 |
| JayDugger | Buy asprin. | 20:58 |
| ybit | :P | 20:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | is asprin in skdb? | 20:59 |
| ybit | kanzure: suggestion: slightly larger margins on the left and right of the pdf | 20:59 |
| kanzure | was trying to fit it into one page | 21:00 |
| ybit | okay, probably best if you ignore me then | 21:00 |
| kanzure | way ahead of you | 21:00 |
| ybit | :) | 21:09 |
| kanzure | free will: http://i.imgur.com/wIXWX.png | 21:09 |
| JayDugger | Duh. | 21:10 |
| ybit | "Dear Foresight members and friends, | 21:10 |
| ybit | We are happy to announce that all videos from Foresight 2010, our January conference, are now posted: | 21:10 |
| ybit | http://www.vimeo.com/album/176287 " | 21:10 |
| JayDugger | Yay! | 21:10 |
| JayDugger | Something to hear at work! | 21:10 |
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| ybit | why couldn't they do this for the h+ talks? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | because humanityplus.org is technically incompetent? | 21:12 |
| QuantumG | s/plus.org// | 21:25 |
| ybit | one step ahead of me QuantumG :) | 21:26 |
| ybit | kanzure: good job on 1kfriendly so far, it's an easy name to remember. when are you putting some info on the site? | 21:31 |
| kanzure | once someone besides me convinces me it's a good idea | 21:46 |
| kanzure | i'm way too biased | 21:46 |
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| kanzure | ahem, that was an open invitation | 22:08 |
| ybit | QuantumG: what have you been working on lately? | 22:15 |
| QuantumG | nuffin.. real work | 22:15 |
| ybit | what's your real work consist of? | 22:16 |
| QuantumG | I'm a software engineer | 22:16 |
| ybit | what industry? | 22:16 |
| kanzure | he hacks the hackers | 22:16 |
| QuantumG | application security | 22:16 |
| kanzure | "security" or some shit | 22:16 |
| kanzure | but don't believe it | 22:16 |
| kanzure | see? :) | 22:16 |
| ybit | os specific? | 22:16 |
| QuantumG | people upload their applications, there's an engine that scans them and gives them a report on how insecure they are.. I work on the engine. | 22:17 |
| QuantumG | windows/linux/solaris c/c++, java, jsp, c#, visual basic, php.. the engine she does them all captain | 22:18 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: some universities have something like that for their programming classes | 22:27 |
| kanzure | except it's an automated submit-your-source-and-we-compile-it-and-run-it-in-a-VM-and-do-unit-tests thingy | 22:27 |
| kanzure | do you know the name of this software? i can't, for the life of me, find it | 22:27 |
| kanzure | i think there was a programming olympiad or something that used it.. and again, i can't remember the name | 22:28 |
| JayDugger | Time to commute. Good night, all. | 22:30 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: the ACM programming competition does something like that | 22:30 |
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| kanzure | that might have been it :) | 22:48 |
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| kanzure | i'm really sad that there's no legit papers on hooking up accelerometers to each finger | 23:13 |
| kanzure | or at least doing 3D location tracking of fingers during a typing exercise | 23:13 |
| kanzure | "Kinematics of the fingers and hands during computer keyboard use | 23:14 |
| avicenna | kanzure | 23:43 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 23:44 |
| avicenna | wouldn't that be something game makers and CGI people would use? | 23:44 |
| avicenna | i bet you'd find mention of it in hollywood | 23:44 |
| kanzure | maybe? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | hm | 23:44 |
| kanzure | oh, i see what you mean | 23:44 |
| kanzure | motion capture | 23:44 |
| avicenna | ya exactly | 23:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | somone made ASL gloves to convert to english | 23:59 |
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