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| kanzure | fenn was there any reason other than ikiwiki's terrifying configuration and setup procedure that i stopped looking into it? | 01:07 |
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| kanzure | it didn't have abnormal conf stuff but it was finicky | 01:07 |
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| fenn | hmm i gotta figure out a better way to transcode than handbrake GUI (the CLI version doesnt seem to work) | 02:56 |
| fenn | ikiwiki sucked in general.. only interpreted markdown and files named .mdwn and lack of plugins or general niceness | 03:05 |
| fenn | on top of being confusing as all hell | 03:05 |
| fenn | hm this net connection still sucks | 03:05 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.gaaglebot.com/ Gaaglebot AJAX Controlled Roomba Robot For Indexing | 06:14 |
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| kanzure | fenn: ikiwiki has a huge list of plugins now (i checked yesterday) | 11:16 |
| kanzure | got an accepted-talk email from http://texaslinuxfest.org/ this morning | 11:21 |
| kanzure | hm i'll have to prepare a "why not use dpkg, apt-get, .deb, or .rpm etc." slide for the talk | 11:25 |
| Utopiah | "a wiki compiler" ? | 11:26 |
| kanzure | most wikis are "dynamically generated" | 11:27 |
| kanzure | ikiwiki takes the wiki pages and generates .html (basically) | 11:27 |
| kanzure | this .html is only regenerated when the page is updated | 11:27 |
| kanzure | instead of parsing the wikitext each time a page is loaded | 11:28 |
| Utopiah | ok, which is nice if the wiki is not too dynamical and doesn't provide cache I guess | 11:28 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1574394&cid=31398210 "Trouble is, left to my own devices, I effectively "stay up" 4 hours later each night untill I wrap back around. Before I had a job I could actually live like that. It was kind of a strange sensation brushing my teeth with my roommate at midnight; She was going to bed, i just got up." | 12:15 |
| fenn | i bought some melatonin yesterday; we'll see what happens | 12:20 |
| fenn | if anything | 12:20 |
| kanzure | my dad tried it once and so we always had the bottle left over, i would try it every once in a while on those sleepless nights before school bullshit.. never did a thing for me | 12:20 |
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| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Biological_clock_human.PNG | 12:47 |
| * katsmeow-afk sugegsts that pic is useless, even after disregarding the 4-armed quadruped figure in the middle of it | 13:41 | |
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| katsmeow-afk | i learned 20 yrs ago, if that quadruped is on it, it's garbage | 13:42 |
| kanzure | hello jrayhawk | 13:42 |
| jrayhawk | Howdy howdy howdy. | 13:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's like "helps your immune system" or "seats up to 12" | 13:42 |
| kanzure | so, piny/ikiwiki stuff | 13:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: are you around? utopiah? | 13:42 |
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| jrayhawk | Don't worry, I know exactly what he'd say! | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | <fenn> Please do lots of work on piny for jrayhawk! | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | <fenn> also give him a million dollars | 13:44 |
| kanzure | you do such a good impression of him | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | Thanks, fenn! Good advice! | 13:44 |
| kanzure | you know you're the first person to ask for a million dollars from me.. i'm surprised these other buttheads haven't asked for money yet | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | That wasn't a request! | 13:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | kanzure, i want $250k to hire 5 people for lite coding and data entry for a year | 13:46 |
| kanzure | you never tell me what you're up to because it's "super secret" :( | 13:46 |
| jrayhawk | Whereas I'm perfectly willing to tell you what I'm doing that deserves a million dollars. | 13:50 |
| * jrayhawk farts | 13:50 | |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: so, i'd like to have "hardware packages" in .git repositories, and then display various metadata about the project, maybe after parsing whatever the user has typed up for the package details/pages | 13:50 |
| kanzure | i think this can still work within the compile-the-pages-to-html mindset | 13:50 |
| jrayhawk | You could either make a new compiler plugin for it or just make your metadata in the form of ikiwiki directives. | 13:51 |
| kanzure | hm http://ikiwiki.info/plugins/contrib/ymlfront/ | 13:52 |
| kanzure | one feature i wanted to do was have users upload or type out lists in giant <textarea> elements for what they have in their inventory, | 13:52 |
| jrayhawk | and the rest of http://ikiwiki.info/users/KathrynAndersen/ | 13:52 |
| kanzure | then check their list against the records and suggest possible hardware packages that sound like their stupid nicknames for their precious tools | 13:52 |
| kanzure | (i.e. my mom calls it a 24" sander, but someone else calls it a disk sander, ..) | 13:53 |
| jrayhawk | I want a 24" belt sander. | 13:53 |
| kanzure | and i'm not sure how to integrate "stuff like dis" into it | 13:53 |
| jrayhawk | How that data gets used determines how viable ikiwiki is for this. | 13:56 |
| jrayhawk | There are a number of usable search engines that can have a limited level of integration with the Ikiwiki interface, but not so much with the engine itself. | 13:57 |
| fenn | linbjive0 | 13:57 |
| jrayhawk | So things like "inline anything that includes the text 'sanders'" isn't really an existing feature. | 13:57 |
| jrayhawk | "inline anything that includes a metadata directive 'sanders'" works fine, though | 13:58 |
| kanzure | this would probably be a command line tool that i end up integrating into whatever web interface we end up with | 13:58 |
| jrayhawk | so if you're willing to force users to actually use those directives, that'd work | 13:58 |
| jrayhawk | Ah, I see. | 13:58 |
| jrayhawk | There'd probably be need for manual cleanup of their directives in order to be coherent, but the command line tool would probably work, yeah. | 13:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: would it be accurate to call it a webside storage for lazy bums who don't want to let software on their local system maintain /var/cache/apt/ or where-ever dpkg keeps downloaded/installed package information | 14:00 |
| kanzure | or at least for web-exposed access to dpkg-for-hardware backend stuff | 14:00 |
| kanzure | except packages are .git repositories and distributable | 14:00 |
| kanzure | hm maybe that's just feature creep | 14:01 |
| kanzure | so anyway, ikiwiki+git is important because it exposes individual packages, and the "dpkg/skdb" tools let the user play with the data, and having that exposed over the web is important, but in a compiled-content-only scenario that might not be appropriate, so i guess that's what i'm trying to pick your brain about | 14:03 |
| jrayhawk | Are you already invested in the dpkg/apt distribution model? | 14:03 |
| kanzure | somewhat, is there an alternative | 14:04 |
| jrayhawk | A number of them, but thinking about their level of optimality is hard and not worth my time if you've already got a good thing going with your current model. | 14:06 |
| * kanzure looks at dpkg-www | 14:08 | |
| kanzure | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/dpkg-www | 14:08 |
| kanzure | "You can list packages, show package information and installed files, browse documentation and navigate through the packages dependencies. You can also find all the packages owners of a file or directory or those providing a virtual package. " | 14:08 |
| kanzure | "If you are the system administrator you can also install or remove packages by clicking on the buttons found in the package info page, provided that this feature has been enabled and you have properly configured your web browser. " | 14:08 |
| fenn | how does that work exactly? | 14:10 |
| jrayhawk | I, uh, think you're looking at it, actually. | 14:10 |
| jrayhawk | Oh, the installation part | 14:10 |
| kanzure | not according to http://packages.debian.org/about/ - it claims it's a custom codebase: git clone http://source.djpig.de/git/packages.git | 14:10 |
| jrayhawk | oh okay | 14:11 |
| kanzure | also i probably just misunderstood fenn | 14:11 |
| fenn | bah | 14:11 |
| kanzure | er, misunderstood joe | 14:11 |
| kanzure | whoever you people are | 14:11 |
| jrayhawk | "install or remove" probably works by associating application/x-debian-package with synaptic | 14:11 |
| kanzure | hah | 14:12 |
| kanzure | i would expect it to be backend cgi stuff | 14:12 |
| * kanzure installs | 14:12 | |
| jrayhawk | Anyway, the more closely you can align yourself with the usual dpkg/apt stack, the less work you'll wind up needing. | 14:13 |
| kanzure | for some reason we're not using dpkg directly | 14:13 |
| kanzure | and i can't remember why | 14:13 |
| jrayhawk | Have you been paying attention to Saurik's woes? | 14:14 |
| kanzure | http://www.saurik.com/id/1 bringing apt to the iphone? | 14:15 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. He decided to avoid the debian mirror software/hosting and go with some crazy cloud thing of his own devising for its architectural superiority. | 14:16 |
| jrayhawk | I know he was still having problems with it after several *years*, and I don't know if it's working right yet. | 14:17 |
| jrayhawk | That's the sort of trouble you're probably going to get yourself into with this ikiwiki plan. | 14:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.saurik.com/id/2 packaging issues with apptapp | 14:17 |
| kanzure | i'm glad someone has stepped up and stabbed iphone in the face for all the stupid craze about "an app store!!!1" | 14:18 |
| jrayhawk | Saurik is a buddy of Steve's from Harvey Mudd, as I recall. | 14:18 |
| jrayhawk | oh, ucsb, i guess | 14:19 |
| jrayhawk | so hard to keep track | 14:19 |
| jrayhawk | But I guess if you're diverging as far as not even using dpkg, you might already be doomed to stabilize your own infrastructure requirements. | 14:19 |
| jrayhawk | At which point using a different model might be a good idea. I'd have to think about that. | 14:20 |
| jrayhawk | If you can work out what caused you to drop it, that'd be helpful. | 14:20 |
| kanzure | < fenn> oh, the problem with apt/dpkg is it requires root access and modifies the running OS | 14:21 |
| jrayhawk | apt-get source doesn't | 14:22 |
| fenn | and the dependency model is all wrong for hardware/manufacturing because we can't simply instantiate free copies like with software | 14:22 |
| jrayhawk | Ah. | 14:22 |
| jrayhawk | Do you have a more thorough description of the dependency model? | 14:23 |
| * fenn grumbles about 8 minutes latency chat | 14:24 | |
| kanzure | poorly formatted: http://designfiles.org/skdb/doc/architecture | 14:24 |
| kanzure | (yay we have an "architecture" file! hoorah) | 14:25 |
| jrayhawk | ah, interesting | 14:26 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, this is a shitload more complicated than traditional dependency problems. I think I'll ask some smarter people about this. | 14:29 |
| kanzure | fenn: tonok, ralith and theorbtwo in #reprap convinced me to drop my STL-fears in exchange for the concept of a "linker" strategy to generate the "binary blob objects" (like meshes) from either "source code" (like pythonocc, openscad), IGES/STEP, DXF/STL, etc., into a final composited file | 14:30 |
| kanzure | this doesn't help get rid of STL, but it does force STL-users to use the work flow where- eventually- they might realize that "binary object blobs" (STL meshes) aren't as useful as having source code to compile | 14:32 |
| kanzure | hey wait a second, i've been conned. that mainly helps maintain the STL status quo | 14:39 |
| fenn | "composited file"?? | 14:48 |
| fenn | i've learned not to listen to ralith | 14:48 |
| kanzure | "composited file" means ""everything that wasn't STL has been converted to STL and plugged together to make a single final rendering" | 14:49 |
| CIA-47 | skdb: kanzure * r 5ed50b3 /octopart.py: altered header information on octopart.py | 14:49 |
| kanzure | s/rendering/mesh/ | 14:49 |
| kanzure | 18:48 < Ralith> kanzure: you haven't named a SINGLE thing that skdb needs that STL doesn't provide. | 14:55 |
| jrayhawk | do curves just not exist in his universe | 14:58 |
| jrayhawk | or colors | 14:58 |
| jrayhawk | or surfaces | 14:58 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: projects like reprap.org and makerbot.com use STL to spit out plastic objects | 15:01 |
| kanzure | thus those users think "well it works so therefore bryan is just an ass" | 15:01 |
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| kanzure | and i probably am, but.. | 15:01 |
| fenn | turning everyhting into stl is totally useless | 15:02 |
| fenn | i can do that already | 15:02 |
| fenn | rawr | 15:03 |
| kanzure | well he was trying to point out that (1) CNC machines largely only accept STL, or programs that spit out gcode largely only accept STL (?), (2) skdb mainly just needs the models for visualization so STL is fine | 15:03 |
| kanzure | but #2 does *not* help with re-use and parametric redesign | 15:03 |
| fenn | how the fuck do i concatenate avi files without it breaking | 15:03 |
| fenn | do i *really* have to transcode to mpeg2 first? | 15:04 |
| fenn | this is nuts | 15:04 |
| kanzure | one sec | 15:05 |
| kanzure | hm i don't seem to have the command any more | 15:06 |
| kanzure | i do remember doing this though: mencoder marcin-jakubowski-hplus-summit-2009.flv -ovc copy -o marcin-jakubowski-hplus-summit-2009-2.flv -oac mp3lame | 15:07 |
| kanzure | ooh a nice list of computational protein modeling stuff (recent papers): http://rosettadesigngroup.com/blog/619/literature-review-040310/#more-619 | 15:09 |
| fenn | cat * > big.avi; mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy -o out.avi -forceidx big.avi | 15:09 |
| fenn | i wonder why that was so hard to find | 15:10 |
| jrayhawk | Most people use ffmpeg directly, nowadays. | 15:15 |
| fenn | you'll pry mplayer from my cold dead hands | 15:21 |
| fenn | some people have ice cream for breakfast, some people have it for lunch | 15:26 |
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| kanzure | hey thesnark | 15:49 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure | 15:50 |
| kanzure | thesnark: i got an emotiv epoc headset the other day | 15:56 |
| kanzure | have been trying to crack their data protocol (since they don't have linux drivers etc.) | 15:56 |
| thesnark | kanzure oh wow | 15:56 |
| kanzure | here's 1min of recorded data: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/kanzure_emotiv_epoc_egg.dat | 15:56 |
| kanzure | maybe you'll have better luck at it than i did | 15:56 |
| thesnark | kanzure we're just rewriting the firmware for the chip | 15:57 |
| thesnark | kanzure without encryption | 15:57 |
| kanzure | what chip | 15:57 |
| thesnark | haha right I should probably specify | 15:57 |
| thesnark | The one that does the encryption though...if you really want I can fetch the datasheet but yeah | 15:57 |
| thesnark | we have a programmer, the sdk and a spare chip | 15:57 |
| kanzure | er context? | 15:57 |
| kanzure | are you talking about emotiv? | 15:57 |
| thesnark | yes sir | 15:57 |
| kanzure | which sdk do you have | 15:58 |
| thesnark | the chip in the headset that encrypts the raw data | 15:58 |
| kanzure | are you sure it's encrypted? | 15:58 |
| thesnark | the sdk is for the chip we're writing forware for | 15:58 |
| thesnark | it is encrypted, yes | 15:58 |
| thesnark | firmware* | 15:58 |
| kanzure | emotiv sells three or four different SDK .dll files .. which one do you have | 15:58 |
| kanzure | how do you know it's encrypted | 15:58 |
| thesnark | because emotiv says it is and people that I know who have tried writing their own software from the ground up for it have said it is | 15:59 |
| kanzure | um | 15:59 |
| kanzure | meanwhile emotiv could just be saying that, and the other people could have just hit a brickwall and assumed it was encrpytion | 15:59 |
| kanzure | *encryption | 15:59 |
| kanzure | sorry, i don't really believe it | 15:59 |
| thesnark | why is it hard to believe? | 16:00 |
| kanzure | because it's easier for emotiv to claim it's encrypted (fuck, that's their *business model*) | 16:00 |
| kanzure | than for them to actually have done it ;) | 16:00 |
| thesnark | haha dude the chip that we're replacing is specifically designed for encryption | 16:00 |
| kanzure | which chip | 16:00 |
| kanzure | context.. | 16:00 |
| thesnark | fine one second | 16:01 |
| thesnark | http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en024664 | 16:04 |
| thesnark | thatg | 16:04 |
| thesnark | is what the EPOC uses for encryption | 16:04 |
| thesnark | How do I know this? I haven't taken my headset apart but I have seen photos of dissassembled headsets | 16:04 |
| thesnark | with closeups of this chip | 16:05 |
| kanzure | so are they using a symmetric or asymmetric key technique | 16:05 |
| thesnark | I don't care what method they're using because we're writing firmware that doesn't encrypt anything | 16:05 |
| kanzure | looks like they might be using AES or triple-DES | 16:06 |
| kanzure | how are you flashing the firmware? | 16:06 |
| thesnark | we're not, we're reprogramming a new chip and leaving the original alone | 16:06 |
| thesnark | although | 16:06 |
| thesnark | there are definitely pins for flashing the firmware | 16:07 |
| thesnark | it's all explained in the datasheet | 16:09 |
| fenn | all i see is a DSP, which would make sense in an eeg device | 16:16 |
| fenn | where do you get "specifically for encryption" from? | 16:16 |
| * fenn hastily applies tact to hsiis previous messages | 16:16 | |
| kanzure | fenn: all of your messages are being sent at the same time | 16:17 |
| kanzure | which is weird since we're on the same damn server | 16:17 |
| kanzure | i do see some SHA-1 strings in the .dll file.. hm.. | 16:17 |
| kanzure | what's some common .NET encrpytion function/class names that i should search for? | 16:18 |
| fenn | my connection is for shit the last few days, occasionally it reconnects and since the ip stays the same the ssh session to davinci is still going, so it sends everything i've typed (blind) at the same time | 16:18 |
| kanzure | ah i see | 16:19 |
| kanzure | i would expect menlo to have better access | 16:19 |
| fenn | fiber to every home etc? sorry this is still america | 16:20 |
| kanzure | don't you have LOS to like, most of the root servers? | 16:21 |
| fenn | though there are 13 wifi ap's i could probably hack into if i tried | 16:22 |
| kanzure | gasp! hacking! ("password:" "hm.. 123?") | 16:22 |
| fenn | nah just airsnort or aircrack or whatever it's called these days | 16:22 |
| kanzure | they are using this: http://www.cryptopp.com/ | 16:25 |
| kanzure | yep it's AES | 16:27 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: how would i track down where a symbol in a .dll file is called? presumably it will be called with either (1) a const char array for the key, or (2) a pointer to the key | 16:28 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/possible_AES_keys.txt | 16:30 |
| kanzure | what do you think? | 16:30 |
| QuantumG | you mean dynamically? | 16:42 |
| QuantumG | put a 0xcc in it and run the code | 16:43 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: somehow i ran into http://legacy.saurik.com/net/exemplar/ a few seconds ago | 17:13 |
| kanzure | saurik gets around i guess? | 17:13 |
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| jrayhawk | Oh yeah, I forgot about his "losslessly decompilng .NET" project | 18:39 |
| QuantumG | need pdbs to get local variable names | 18:40 |
| QuantumG | that's about it | 18:40 |
| QuantumG | oh, and inferring control flow is hit and miss | 18:41 |
| QuantumG | while vs for, etc. | 18:41 |
| kanzure | i just need to steal the AES key and that's that | 18:41 |
| kanzure | are .NET .dll files finicky, er, any more than .dll files usually are | 18:41 |
| kanzure | i'm guessing they compiled the key into the program.. they seem to be that brand of stupid | 18:42 |
| QuantumG | .net dll files contain CIL, and linking is done through the CIL tables, not the native export table (unless you export something natively of course) | 18:42 |
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| katsmeow-afk | this may be useless : http://www.med.upenn.edu/gcb/index.shtml | 19:39 |
| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 19:47 |
| kanzure | you guys are boring | 20:55 |
| JayDugger | What did you want earlier today, kanzure? | 20:55 |
| kanzure | just wanted to know if you had finished downloading the nature dump | 20:57 |
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| superkuh | kanzure: the nature dump is 32GB, not 60. I'm pretty sure my indices match up with those I saw on the server and the full thing was mirrored. By the way, did you ever find out how to make wget not replace files on 404 with --output-document ? | 21:25 |
| kanzure | 30GB is right. Someone else asked about that yesterday and I had to double check and confirm it. | 21:27 |
| kanzure | no news on wget though | 21:28 |
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| JayDugger | superkuh, won't the --no-clobber option do that? | 22:05 |
| JayDugger | I think that breaks --mirror, though. | 22:05 |
| superkuh | I think '--no-clobber' is used to not replace existing files, going to $x.1 $x.2, etc. In my use there will always be an existing file that needs to be replaced but one I do not wish to overwrite if the URL is 404 for a bit. (http://superkuh.ath.cx/spaceweather.pl) | 22:10 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, all. | 22:29 |
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| kanzure | superkuh: what is http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/meh/duckpants_sm.jpg doing in spaceweather.pl? | 22:46 |
| superkuh | Heh. I had my wgetrc file set to do 30 retries from when I was on shakey wifi. One server in particular would go down randomly and stall my script for those 30 tries of a minute or two each. If I removed the item it would mess up the number sequence for naming. So I put in that image as a placeholder and just removed it's associated number from the html. | 22:47 |
| genehacker | did he finally finally send a message to that telescope? | 22:48 |
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| kanzure | http://nathanmccorkle.com/projects/pics/PDMS_spectral_response.png | 22:56 |
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| genehacker | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/03/being-able-to-see-through-opaque.html | 22:59 |
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| kanzure | http://pastebin.com/EGMQMkvK | 23:11 |
| superkuh | Oh, I figured that out. | 23:15 |
| superkuh | My 'new additions' script was taking 20 minutes to go through the added nature dump, so I needed to exclude it. | 23:16 |
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| kanzure | superkuh: the text files in the nature dump are indices of the files, so you can probably just tack those on to your new additions script if you really, really wanted to. | 23:25 |
| superkuh | I don't. I'd prefer to keep new additions uncluttered. -not -path \"/home/superkuh/www/Library/001-Nature/thesplit*/*\" worked. | 23:27 |
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