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| fenn | bah i picked the one time youtube is down to upload something | 00:04 |
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| kanzure | fenn: were you able to make the SF blue-obelisk dinner meetup? | 01:00 |
| fenn | isnt that like march 20th? i totally forget either way | 01:03 |
| fenn | ritual mutilation of a cockroach: http://www.flickr.com/photos/48181031@N05/ | 01:04 |
| kanzure | it might have been last night | 01:04 |
| kanzure | wtf is a "ganglionizer" | 01:05 |
| kanzure | "the idea was to hook electrodes up to the roach so that it could wirelessly control the robot,... " | 01:05 |
| kanzure | " | 01:05 |
| kanzure | "cyber roach exo-exoskeleton | 01:05 |
| kanzure | " YES | 01:05 |
| kanzure | lava lamp centrifuge: http://neil.fraser.name/hardware/centrifuge/ | 01:08 |
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| fenn | i have some videos which might be more explanatory, but youtube is being a bitch | 01:12 |
| fenn | they're in ~ /home/fenn/www if you want to see | 01:12 |
| kanzure | youtube always takes forever to upload | 01:12 |
| kanzure | damn it i want a cyber roach robot army now :( | 01:17 |
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| kanzure | hm skdb seems to be referenced here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobless_recovery | 01:23 |
| kanzure | this feels like paul fernhout | 01:23 |
| genehacker | that was ybit I think | 01:28 |
| genehacker | whoa | 01:29 |
| genehacker | fenn you're doing that? | 01:29 |
| genehacker | that's awesome | 01:29 |
| fenn | no that is tim marzullo's, i'm just playing with it | 01:40 |
| genehacker | oh | 01:40 |
| genehacker | looks diy though | 01:40 |
| fenn | btw i toured livly/biocurious/whatever and fixed eri's bike in exchange for some cookies | 01:41 |
| fenn | john doesn't want me to share pictures though so i won't | 01:41 |
| fenn | they have a pretty nice pipetter/plate changer robot | 01:42 |
| fenn | what's joseph jackson's friend "alex"'s last name? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | er i need some more context | 01:45 |
| fenn | neuroscience guy, glasses, hippie beard, beret | 01:45 |
| fenn | i guess i'll just ask him next time | 01:45 |
| fenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV2msfieZ3E | 01:46 |
| fenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWxUbtYvilI | 01:46 |
| kanzure | wtf i didn't know jackie chan did singing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t80k2sBZmY | 01:49 |
| kanzure | fenn: it might be alex hornstein <bridgewalker@gmail.com> | 01:50 |
| kanzure | http://artiswrong.com/projects.html doesn't seem to be much neuroscience stuff going on here | 01:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.meetlie.com/ | 01:51 |
| kanzure | oh that's right, he's from nublabs and is alec's partner in crime | 01:52 |
| kanzure | he's probably too elitist to know joseph | 01:52 |
| kanzure | does anyone else think that chan video might be star wars kid in disguise? | 01:53 |
| fenn | nope, thanks anyway | 01:55 |
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| fenn | ok here's the actual spikerbox demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bvFJev6yOM | 02:03 |
| fenn | i guess my transcoding is not quite right because it processes after uploading instead of continuously like last time when i uploaded the aquarium stuff | 02:05 |
| genehacker | aquarium of the bay is sort of weak sauce compare to the Monterey bay aquarium | 02:06 |
| genehacker | MBARI has an underwater tele-research-station watchamacallit in the underwater canyon which is sort of cool | 02:07 |
| fenn | yeah but it's still cool.. do they have tunnels in monterey? | 02:07 |
| fenn | how come i can't tag youtube videos with cc license? | 02:08 |
| genehacker | I believe so | 02:08 |
| fenn | hmmm. "Auto-captioning combines some of the speech-to-text algorithms found in Google's Voice Search to automatically generate video captions when requested by a viewer. The video owner can also download the auto-generated captions, improve them, and upload the new version. Viewers can even choose an option to translate those captions into any one of 50 different languages" | 02:10 |
| fenn | i'll believe it when i see it | 02:11 |
| genehacker | http://www.mbari.org/mars/ | 02:12 |
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| kanzure | fenn: how is emlyn o'regan already subscribed to you on youtube? | 02:34 |
| kanzure | oh, you're following emlyn | 02:34 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 02:34 |
| kanzure | the rate encoding from a cockroach leg is pretty neat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC-Swg3vsa4 | 02:36 |
| fenn | it was from the wave invite | 02:51 |
| fenn | i dont think blowing on the leg is a very good demo | 02:52 |
| fenn | it just sounds like he's blowing into the microphone | 02:52 |
| fenn | which is what is happening, if you think of the leg as a microphone :\ | 02:53 |
| genehacker | a living microphone? Combine it with flesh acoustic transducers and well... ughh | 02:54 |
| fenn | i was also here yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wmgM-CrKEA | 03:00 |
| fenn | i'm not good enough to do origami behind my back | 03:01 |
| genehacker | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/ | 03:59 |
| genehacker | superluminal computing | 03:59 |
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| fenn | this one's for katsmeow-afk: http://photos4.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/a/8/4/1/global_13423073.jpeg | 13:29 |
| fenn | i realized i can automatically transform my lifelog data into a sql database and make a django based website for it | 13:59 |
| kanzure | http://mysite.verizon.net/tedgoertzel/Singularity2010.html | 14:03 |
| kanzure | fenn: yeah but what's the advantage of that? | 14:03 |
| fenn | i get to learn django without boring myself to death | 14:04 |
| kanzure | 22:41 < kanzure> i hate to say it, but a front-end to your log parser or something | 14:08 |
| kanzure | 22:41 < fenn> nah that doesn't make sense | 14:08 |
| kanzure | http://42coffeecups.com/ | 14:21 |
| kanzure | yesterday hardly anyone wanted to talk with me | 14:29 |
| kanzure | for some reason everyone and their dog- within the first 10min of me waking up- wants my opinions and advice | 14:29 |
| kanzure | can't you guys distribute the load :( | 14:29 |
| fenn | when was 22:41 approximately? | 14:50 |
| fenn | i just had the most perverted idea in the shower | 14:51 |
| fenn | and i'm totally going to do it, even if it takes years | 14:51 |
| fenn | this is what happens when you get foreign words stuck in your head | 14:52 |
| fenn | beware, american children | 14:53 |
| fenn | learn a foreign language and it will parasitize your soul | 14:53 |
| fenn | i guess i should make a bloggish while i'm at it, and back-date some entries | 15:03 |
| parolang | fenn: What language you learning? | 15:04 |
| kanzure | somebody wants to pay me to go to singularity university | 15:11 |
| kanzure | should i go? | 15:11 |
| Utopiah | if you 1st goal is SKDB and going there would make it progress more than not going, then go. | 15:12 |
| Utopiah | btw will you go to the conf on genetic programming with John Koza ? | 15:15 |
| fenn | japanese | 15:20 |
| fenn | why is skdb the 1st goal? | 15:20 |
| Utopiah | "if" | 15:20 |
| fenn | doing something that matters is my first priority; if that's skdb or not is hard to determine | 15:21 |
| * fenn mumbles some incoherent utilitarianism | 15:22 | |
| Utopiah | right, and that's for you to determine, it's what makes you unique after all ;) | 15:22 |
| fenn | kanzure: "should i go?" YES! | 15:26 |
| kanzure | why do you say yes? | 15:30 |
| kanzure | just wondering | 15:30 |
| fenn | 1) it blows all your other "business networking" events out of the water | 15:31 |
| fenn | 2) it blows all your other "science people" events out of the water | 15:31 |
| fenn | 3) tbd | 15:31 |
| fenn | and you might actually learn something | 15:31 |
| kanzure | gasp! learnign?! | 15:36 |
| kanzure | *learning | 15:36 |
| kanzure | okay :) good reasons | 15:36 |
| * kanzure gets on a conference call with jacob shiach re: icenine (which is basically just gnusha except he hasn't admitted it yet (yes he's read the gnusha business plan doc)) | 15:37 | |
| fenn | "Stress Outsourced is a networked wearable system that allows users to send and receive massages anonymously. A new type of haptic social networking (or social therapy), SOS allows stressed individuals to send anonymous signals via the wearable to a global social network. In response, individuals within the network calm the stressed victim by sending them a “massage” stroke." | 15:39 |
| fenn | unrelated, "the airborne ultrasound tactile display produces a pressure field in 3D free space" | 15:41 |
| fenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSf2-jm0SsQ | 15:42 |
| fenn | (demo of ultrasound tactile display) | 15:42 |
| Utopiah | weird http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OT5jQCaM8Y | 15:45 |
| Utopiah | Superpower Promo - Exploring the Extraordinary Power of the Internet - BBC "we are the people of the internet" (and we are kinda shady) | 15:45 |
| kanzure | hm jacob didn't say much | 15:47 |
| Utopiah | (Alpha demo of multi-scale connectome browser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFXopLd7At8&feature=related 08 March 2010) | 15:47 |
| Utopiah | (bit like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv77bsaD1Sk somehow wonder what's the added value of visualization) | 15:49 |
| fenn | Utopiah: i liked it | 15:52 |
| fenn | the superpower video | 15:54 |
| Utopiah | Ill try to share links to BBC related shows as they show up | 15:55 |
| Utopiah | (Company to sell 'world's first practical jetpack' for $75,000 (w/ Video) http://www.physorg.com/news187374763.html March 9, 2010 by Lisa Zyga) | 15:58 |
| fenn | ~that's not a jetpack | 15:58 |
| fenn | still that's surprisingly cheap | 15:59 |
| kanzure | heh someone told me to contact knome for them, and i had to contact ari | 16:00 |
| kanzure | but it turns out i sent ari an email last october | 16:00 |
| kanzure | i cold called him and he remembered me \o/ "oh you're that guy who's taking over the world" | 16:00 |
| fenn | i dont get why they're using a piston engine (2 liter V4) | 16:02 |
| bkero-legacy | Hehe, honda engine | 16:04 |
| kanzure | the downside: when i sent ari an email after i met him that first time, i signed my email "Specialist, World Domination" | 16:05 |
| kanzure | so yeah.. | 16:05 |
| fenn | eh? | 16:05 |
| kanzure | he didn't reply to my email so i kind of thought i layed on the "specialist, world domination" bit too hard | 16:06 |
| kanzure | but anyway, he seemed kind enough over the phone | 16:06 |
| kanzure | (today) | 16:06 |
| fenn | "Cute Circuit: While moving through a city or environment the person wearing the system receives audio files, that are dynamically adjusted in volume to create a tridimensional audioscape depending on the direction or objects they are looking at." | 16:08 |
| kanzure | O.o | 16:08 |
| fenn | we need this for navigating code | 16:08 |
| kanzure | what would that feel like | 16:08 |
| kanzure | or er | 16:08 |
| fenn | i had this idea years ago for displaying radar info | 16:08 |
| fenn | hmm cute circuit just plays audio files, it's not actually creating an "audioscape" out of 3d surface information | 16:11 |
| fenn | it would be interesting to use otoacoustic emissions as a means of controlling a radar emitter | 16:12 |
| kanzure | http://singularityu.org/apply/#gsp | 16:22 |
| kanzure | "Which of these 10 tracks do you consider yourself to be most expert?" | 16:22 |
| kanzure | "Which of the 10 Tracks, other than that Track listed above would you desire to learn most about?" | 16:22 |
| kanzure | um.. | 16:23 |
| fenn | spamming isn't on there?! | 16:25 |
| fenn | "spam studies" | 16:26 |
| fenn | i guess networks and computing is pretty close huh | 16:27 |
| kanzure | ha ha | 16:34 |
| kanzure | ": Bigelow Aerospace seeks professional astronauts to fill permanent" | 16:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?IPATH=JELGF3RI&je=myrec&APath=1.39.21.0.0&jrjob=true&sc_cmp2=10_JobMat_JobDet&Job_DID=J8G1NC5XTZWKB1BYLVG&ff=39 | 16:35 |
| fenn | "we have developed a glove embedded with accelerometers, magnetometers, and a controller. When the glove operator taps Braille codes using his/her fingers, the controller maps them to ASCII codes. Conversely, when ASCII codes are sent to the operator, the controller maps them to finger-vibration-Braille codes." | 16:35 |
| kanzure | finger-vibration eh? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | i wonder how the braille tapping works. is that just a way of saying "chorded keyboard magic" or 'literally draw out the dots'? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | also, where are you getting this from? | 16:36 |
| fenn | grinding.be | 16:40 |
| fenn | braille is a matrix of dots, so presumably they traverse the x axis in time and the y axis over the 4 fingers | 16:41 |
| fenn | i'd much rather learn braille than some arbitrary chording map | 16:41 |
| fenn | i like this picture, i think i'm going to frame it: http://bp3.blogger.com/_nIWiKIscZJY/R7-dUMl6nbI/AAAAAAAAAk4/gxrWd8Jn6bU/s1600/0aelecrtromshjoi9.jpg | 16:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | source? | 16:58 |
| fenn | better image: http://www.susannahertrich.com/html/risk.html | 17:04 |
| fenn | tineye didn't find that for some reason | 17:04 |
| fenn | apparently it's part of an installation that charges you with static electricity in proportion to the threat | 17:05 |
| fenn | http://www.susannahertrich.com/html/realitychecking.html | 17:05 |
| fenn | oh i guess the images aren't quite the same | 17:06 |
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| fenn | the alex i was asking about last night: http://www.meetup.com/DIYbio/members/6937509/ | 17:38 |
| kanzure | hm i've seen that face before | 17:42 |
| fenn | he usually wears a golf cap | 17:44 |
| fenn | damn ustream seriously blows | 17:48 |
| fenn | so, html5 will allow video without flash? finally | 17:49 |
| fenn | http://www.youtube.com/html5 | 17:49 |
| fenn | still uses way more cpu than mplayer | 17:55 |
| jrayhawk | youtube uses h264, which is only compatible with Safari/Chrome as far as I know. | 18:07 |
| jrayhawk | You probably want to use thoera, which has compatability with all webkit/xulrunner browsers. | 18:07 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/ahl/vid/ has a bunch of videos encoded using for i in $(ls *.avi | cut -f 1 -d .); do ffmpeg -i $i.avi -vcodec libtheora -b 1200000 -acodec libvorbis -ac 2 -r 60 $i.ogv; done | 18:08 |
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| fenn | h264 plays fine in mplayer, why do you think it's only "compatible with safari/chrome"? | 18:16 |
| fenn | i can open a downloaded youtube file and have it play in firefox, if that means anything | 18:17 |
| fenn | .mp4 file (and .flv file) | 18:17 |
| jrayhawk | I mean, in terms of web publishing. | 18:19 |
| jrayhawk | As in "you do not need to require consumers to download a plugin in order to watch video", which was the whole point of HTML5 | 18:20 |
| jrayhawk | I don't know exactly what your use case is. | 18:20 |
| fenn | you used to have to download a flash plugin (still do, technically speaking) | 18:23 |
| fenn | do safari/chrome come with built in video playback software? | 18:23 |
| fenn | and why can't firefox just include gstreamer? | 18:24 |
| fenn | probably some legal bullshit | 18:24 |
| fenn | in which case i don't care | 18:24 |
| kanzure | hm http://singularityu.org/programs/curriculum/ | 18:26 |
| jrayhawk | You only need IE users to download a plugin at this point. | 18:28 |
| jrayhawk | Yes, Safari/Chrome come with ogv and mp4 support, Xulrunner/Gecko come with just ogv support. | 18:29 |
| jrayhawk | Er, xulrunner/webkit | 18:29 |
| kanzure | "# Advisor: Mike Linksvayer, Vice President of Creative Commons " hmm | 18:31 |
| fenn | kanzure: they have a lot of impressive "advisor" names but who are the actual teachers? | 18:31 |
| kanzure | those *are* the teachers | 18:32 |
| kanzure | dunno about the "co-chair" people though | 18:32 |
| fenn | uh, no way | 18:32 |
| kanzure | because frankly i'd love to be taught by freitas and merkle | 18:32 |
| kanzure | yesway | 18:32 |
| fenn | peter norvig is teaching a class? | 18:32 |
| kanzure | yeah, there's lots of google integration in the program apparently | 18:32 |
| * fenn contemplates stealing kanzure's identity and keeping him in a box | 18:33 | |
| fenn | you'd probably like that too much | 18:34 |
| kanzure | http://singularityu.org/people/faculty-advisors/ | 18:34 |
| kanzure | like the box too much or singularityu.com? | 18:34 |
| fenn | the box | 18:34 |
| kanzure | kind of impressive what you can get done when you have deep pockets | 18:34 |
| kanzure | wtf atilla teaches there? | 18:35 |
| kanzure | *attila | 18:35 |
| fenn | bioinformatics | 18:36 |
| kanzure | yeah but i didn't know people thought highly enough of him to put him on the lst | 18:36 |
| kanzure | *list | 18:36 |
| kanzure | "Tom Wujec, Autodesk Fellow" hmm | 18:36 |
| fenn | oh, i guess it _is_ a partial listing | 18:37 |
| kanzure | if i do this, i'm going to have to have a stalklog | 18:37 |
| fenn | yep | 18:37 |
| fenn | make sure to talk to tim ferriss | 18:37 |
| kanzure | the 4-hour work week? | 18:38 |
| kanzure | it basically amounts to "outsource even brushing your damn teeth" | 18:38 |
| * kanzure hasn't read it | 18:38 | |
| fenn | sort of | 18:38 |
| fenn | a lot of it is about managing email and separating parts of your life | 18:38 |
| fenn | and implementing automation (based on a human substrate) | 18:39 |
| kanzure | ari almost hired me on the spot when i called him :/ | 18:39 |
| fenn | huh? | 18:39 |
| kanzure | from knome.com | 18:39 |
| fenn | what did you say? | 18:39 |
| fenn | how come nobody ever wants to hire me :( | 18:40 |
| kanzure | i wanted to "hire" you, but you never gave me a fucking invoice | 18:40 |
| kanzure | :P | 18:40 |
| kanzure | anyway, ari was saying that they are looking to hire bionformatics people | 18:40 |
| fenn | gah | 18:40 |
| fenn | i am falling behind, it's terrifying | 18:40 |
| kanzure | i mentioned that i'm doing some programming for someone who purchased knome.com services a few years ago | 18:40 |
| kanzure | and he was so excited to hear this for some reason | 18:41 |
| kanzure | woah the price has gone down: http://knome.com/service/knomecomplete.html $68k | 18:41 |
| kanzure | "# A private, in-person roundtable discussion held at the Harvard Club of Boston with Knome’s team of world-leading geneticists, clinicians and bioinformaticians to review your sequence data, present the results of your analysis, discuss the role of genetic variation in the development of disease and highlight the latest research and discoveries." | 18:42 |
| fenn | i thought genomes were down to like $10k now | 18:42 |
| fenn | is their annotation that good that people pay an extra $50k? | 18:43 |
| kanzure | they are lagging a bit | 18:43 |
| kanzure | a few years ago they were $300k+ | 18:43 |
| fenn | can i just give them my sequence and pay for the annotation separately? | 18:43 |
| fenn | srsly $50k is a lot | 18:43 |
| kanzure | welll | 18:43 |
| kanzure | see pm | 18:43 |
| kanzure | so yeah | 18:46 |
| kanzure | fenn: re: the $10k/genome sequencing out there in hong kong, i didn't see a "click here to buy" button | 18:51 |
| fenn | hm can you send $10k to hong kong with paypal? | 18:52 |
| kanzure | if they have a paypal account, yeah | 18:53 |
| fenn | so today i assimilated a big stack of business cards.. how do you keep track of all these people? | 18:53 |
| fenn | i should have been keeping track of context from the start.. | 18:54 |
| kanzure | meetlog.txt is about the best i've been dong | 18:54 |
| kanzure | doing | 18:54 |
| fenn | how do you write down who the fuck the person is and why you were talking to them? | 18:55 |
| kanzure | basically i have it set up so that each day i can use the person's name as the attribute name and then give them a dictionary of extra values like address, phone number, tags, email address, etc. | 18:55 |
| fenn | this seems like a common enough problem, so it's strange that i haven't heard of any solutions | 18:55 |
| kanzure | when the parser finds a person that is already in the list, it just adds those extra attributes to the Person object | 18:55 |
| fenn | cool, that's about what i'm doing too, or should be doing | 18:56 |
| kanzure | there's solutions for big companies that have to manage their customers (like keeping notes, etc., so that everyone knows what the status is) | 18:56 |
| kanzure | oh i should upload the parser | 18:56 |
| kanzure | i'm really embarrased because it sucks so much | 18:56 |
| fenn | oh is this what "CRM" is? | 18:56 |
| kanzure | *maybe* | 18:56 |
| jrayhawk | CRM is a catchall term for that sort of thing. | 18:57 |
| kanzure | also, http://etacts.com/ and http://designfiles.org/~bryan/1kfriend.ly.pdf | 18:57 |
| fenn | they're always some web 2.0 bullshit so i just completely ignore anything labeled "CRM" | 18:57 |
| kanzure | i haven't seen any CRM web2.0 bullshit yet actually | 18:57 |
| kanzure | anyway, here you go: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/parser.py | 18:57 |
| fenn | thank you | 18:57 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt | 18:57 |
| kanzure | just for context | 18:57 |
| fenn | you should add that to robots.txt so everyone doesn't get spammed | 18:59 |
| fenn | if it isn't already | 18:59 |
| kanzure | how do i add a ~/bryan/thingy/ to robots.txt properly | 18:59 |
| kanzure | (in particular the tilde) | 18:59 |
| fenn | um | 18:59 |
| fenn | it's ~bryan | 18:59 |
| kanzure | er, right | 18:59 |
| fenn | does it not work if you just type the url part? | 19:00 |
| fenn | path part of the url* | 19:00 |
| kanzure | how do i know if it works or not? other than trial and error | 19:00 |
| fenn | wget | 19:00 |
| kanzure | oright | 19:00 |
| fenn | i think wget complains about robots.txt | 19:00 |
| kanzure | i see no complaints | 19:01 |
| kanzure | just uploaded 2010-02-26 to 2010-03-09 for meetlog.txt (as if it matters) | 19:02 |
| jrayhawk | wget complains if you're in a recursive mode. | 19:02 |
| jrayhawk | There's an undocumented option to disable that check, though. | 19:03 |
| fenn | so you are editing meetlog in vim? or is it automatically dumped from a python session or something? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | editing in vim | 19:05 |
| kanzure | i'd have python tools to check my gmail account, irc logs, pidgin logs, etc., except that i really hate how it messes up the yaml ordering | 19:05 |
| fenn | how do you associate names with names after you know the email address? since the address is part of the dict key | 19:05 |
| jrayhawk | User-Agent: * | 19:05 |
| jrayhawk | Disallow: /~bryan/thingy/ | 19:05 |
| kanzure | aha, /~bryan/ | 19:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: ask again? "names with names" ? | 19:06 |
| kanzure | a name could look like this: joe bloe / irc_handle | 19:06 |
| kanzure | and then also optionally something lke <joe.bloe@gmail.com> any where in the string | 19:07 |
| fenn | heh "laundry room girl" | 19:07 |
| kanzure | the email address is extracted from the string | 19:07 |
| kanzure | the / is used to separate a name from a nickname on the webz | 19:07 |
| fenn | so it's not yaml? | 19:07 |
| kanzure | huh? | 19:07 |
| kanzure | it is yaml | 19:07 |
| jrayhawk | robots.txts are funny to manually look around for since they're usually explicitly denoting things you're not supposed to find | 19:08 |
| fenn | - Ari Kiiriki <akiirikki@knome.com>: ["knome"] is a list item with a dictionary key pointing to a list with one item (knome) | 19:08 |
| kanzure | yep | 19:08 |
| fenn | hm that made sense in my head | 19:08 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with it though? | 19:08 |
| fenn | say you had an earlier entry: - Ari Kiiriki: ["world domination"] | 19:09 |
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| fenn | how do you connect the two entries? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | the dictionary key could be ponting to either (1) a list (a list of tags), or (2) a dictionary of terms like phone/address/email/nickname/links/blah/blah/blah | 19:09 |
| kanzure | well, the entries are connected by name | 19:09 |
| kanzure | so there's a Person object that is created | 19:09 |
| kanzure | the problem- as you might see- is that ambiguity is not handled correctly | 19:10 |
| kanzure | i.e. what if i know two people named "john smith"? | 19:10 |
| fenn | right | 19:10 |
| fenn | i thought that was why you had the email in the key in the first place | 19:10 |
| kanzure | well, sometimes i know the email, sometimes i don't | 19:10 |
| fenn | instead of just Ari Kiiriki: email: blah | 19:10 |
| kanzure | oh, no | 19:10 |
| kanzure | basically what i've done in the mean time is just number people i know | 19:11 |
| kanzure | "john smith 2" | 19:11 |
| kanzure | or "alter ben" *cough* | 19:11 |
| fenn | you still dont know his name? or is this my alternate personality that only comes out on full moons | 19:11 |
| kanzure | oh, i know ben peterson's name | 19:11 |
| kanzure | but when i talk with you i call him alter ben :P | 19:11 |
| fenn | what do you call me when you talk to him? | 19:12 |
| kanzure | fenn, and sometimes alter ben :) | 19:12 |
| kanzure | oh oh | 19:12 |
| fenn | what happens when you meet another ben? then there's alter ben 1.1 alter ben 2.1 | 19:12 |
| kanzure | i once called you "primal ben" | 19:12 |
| kanzure | delta ben :P | 19:12 |
| kanzure | i need a nickname generator for these situations | 19:13 |
| kanzure | kanzure@pikachu:~# python name_picker "ben peterson" | 19:13 |
| fenn | people should just stop naming their kids ben | 19:13 |
| kanzure | ERROR: 20 others identified | 19:13 |
| kanzure | "Would you like 'omega ben'?" | 19:13 |
| kanzure | or something :) | 19:13 |
| kanzure | people should stop naming their kids dave. god damn | 19:13 |
| fenn | upsilon | 19:13 |
| fenn | actually i hate greek letters | 19:14 |
| nsh | aleph neil? | 19:15 |
| kanzure | :) | 19:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: i would appreciate thoughts on how to make parser.py suck less | 19:18 |
| fenn | well it seems rather complicated | 19:19 |
| fenn | i'd probably split it into different files | 19:19 |
| fenn | one for graphing, one for parsing/updating | 19:19 |
| kanzure | what really matters is "def meetlogr" | 19:20 |
| kanzure | there is no updating on it :( because it messes up the order | 19:20 |
| fenn | messes up the order? | 19:20 |
| fenn | can't you sort yaml by date? | 19:20 |
| kanzure | on the output? | 19:20 |
| fenn | yeah | 19:20 |
| kanzure | worth a try | 19:21 |
| kanzure | and if not, i guess i could just split up the dates by file anyway | 19:21 |
| fenn | i think yaml understands date data types just like alphabetical order | 19:21 |
| fenn | but you could sort in python first and make a list | 19:21 |
| fenn | i might be getting confused with sql or something else | 19:21 |
| kanzure | try this: yaml.dump(yaml.load(meetlog_data)) | 19:22 |
| kanzure | and presumably you'll see what goes wrong | 19:22 |
| fenn | i'm 100% certain it's going to be different | 19:22 |
| kanzure | right | 19:22 |
| kanzure | (also meetlog.txt has been under revision control since day one) | 19:22 |
| fenn | i wonder why it errors on line 11142 | 19:25 |
| fenn | ah missing comma | 19:25 |
| kanzure | oops | 19:26 |
| kanzure | wait, what? i don't see it | 19:26 |
| kanzure | ah the previous lne | 19:26 |
| kanzure | *line | 19:26 |
| fenn | File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/yaml/representer.py", line 125, in represent_mapping | 19:26 |
| fenn | mapping.sort() | 19:26 |
| fenn | TypeError: can't compare datetime.date to str | 19:26 |
| fenn | so presumably you changed the way you represent dates somewhere in there | 19:27 |
| kanzure | O_o | 19:27 |
| kanzure | try this: log = yaml.load(codecs.open(meetlog_file, encoding="utf-8")) | 19:27 |
| kanzure | although i don't see how that would help with the datetime.date issue | 19:27 |
| kanzure | which version of pyyaml? | 19:27 |
| fenn | (2008, 6, 30), 'description', | 19:29 |
| fenn | wtf | 19:30 |
| * fenn deletes the first line and tries again | 19:30 | |
| fenn | you know it doesnt look too bad to me after being dumped | 19:31 |
| * kanzure checks | 19:31 | |
| kanzure | oh the error was with dumping? | 19:32 |
| fenn | python -c 'import yaml; print yaml.dump(yaml.load(open("meetlog.txt")))'>test | 19:32 |
| kanzure | on yaml.dump i get TypeError: can't compare datetime.date to str | 19:32 |
| fenn | i dunno if you've ever used "kompare" but it's a good way to see diffs like this | 19:33 |
| fenn | delete "description: meetlog" | 19:33 |
| kanzure | wonder why that's still in there anyway | 19:34 |
| kanzure | wow you're right | 19:34 |
| fenn | also you're spelling "john schloendorn" wrong | 19:35 |
| fenn | unless there really is a john schloernborg | 19:35 |
| kanzure | crap | 19:35 |
| kanzure | cool yaml.dump(load of 'test') diff'd to 'test' shows no differences | 19:36 |
| fenn | of course | 19:36 |
| kanzure | although i don't like how it deals with smári et al. | 19:36 |
| fenn | yeah i forget how to make it print unicode | 19:36 |
| kanzure | well, this looks fairly promising | 19:37 |
| kanzure | maybe when i tried it last time i was wearing failpaints | 19:37 |
| kanzure | *failpants | 19:37 |
| fenn | python -c 'import yaml; print yaml.dump(yaml.load(open("meetlog.txt")), default_flow_style=False)'>test | 19:39 |
| fenn | you can actually read the diff on that one | 19:39 |
| kanzure | oh btw the tag tracking code in parser.py doesn't work | 19:41 |
| kanzure | when i print out a list of people that are interested in a certain tag, it's definitely totally wrong | 19:41 |
| fenn | do i know kevin wasson? why is my name listed under his? | 19:43 |
| fenn | oh he must be a MIT PERG guy | 19:43 |
| klafka | PERG? | 19:43 |
| fenn | precision engineering research group | 19:44 |
| fenn | there's a way to make it print the condensed flow style for names only, like you have in meetlog.txt | 19:44 |
| fenn | yaml_flow_style=True or something like that | 19:45 |
| fenn | in the Person class | 19:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: "do i know kevin wasson?" -> "oh" is the exact reason i started this :/ | 19:45 |
| klafka | aah | 19:46 |
| fenn | well it turns out i don't know kevin wasson | 19:46 |
| fenn | so there :P | 19:46 |
| kanzure | yeah but you did tell me about him | 19:46 |
| kanzure | or i discovered him via you | 19:46 |
| fenn | i guess | 19:46 |
| kanzure | so anyway, if he screws me over later in life, i'm totally going to blame you | 19:46 |
| fenn | synthetic serendipity | 19:46 |
| kanzure | bwahah | 19:46 |
| * fenn counters with the twinkie defense | 19:47 | |
| fenn | fascinating, really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense | 19:48 |
| kanzure | "By this time, the "Twinkie defense" had become such a common term that one lawmaker had waved a Twinkie in the air while making his point during a debate" | 19:51 |
| kanzure | why don't they just waive piles and piles of steamling bullshit? | 19:51 |
| kanzure | *wave | 19:51 |
| kanzure | me and i just don't seem to be gettng along today | 19:51 |
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| fenn | WOAH "This tiny device attaches to your fingertip, using a camera to translate visual images into feelings by activating a little vibrator attached to the sensitive nerves in your finger. So you wave your hands around and “feel” objects across the street." | 19:57 |
| fenn | it's actually a laser and photodetector, not a camera | 19:59 |
| kanzure | vint cerf "Vice President and Chief Internet Evangelist, Google Inc." | 20:00 |
| kanzure | so it's not just norvig | 20:00 |
| kanzure | "Open Source Program Manager, Google Inc." | 20:01 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, all. | 20:01 |
| kanzure | hello JayDugger | 20:01 |
| fenn | no there are a lot of awesome people on that list | 20:02 |
| kanzure | "Senior Mathematician, Google Inc." | 20:02 |
| fenn | i just had to pick one | 20:02 |
| kanzure | norvig is definitely fairly awesome :) | 20:02 |
| fenn | "leopardskin taser with built-in mp3 player" | 20:04 |
| JayDugger | ? | 20:05 |
| fenn | jeez it's huge | 20:05 |
| fenn | still, a taser that charges over USB is kinda cool | 20:06 |
| JayDugger | Where did you find this gadget, fenn? | 20:10 |
| fenn | " | 20:12 |
| fenn | Someone stole your future. Don't you ever wonder who?" | 20:12 |
| fenn | JayDugger: shitty website warning: http://www.designnews.com/article/8233-Taser_Adds_Music_to_Tasing_at_CES_2008.php | 20:12 |
| fenn | via grinding.be sorta (it was in a comment or something) | 20:13 |
| JayDugger | Good Lord... | 20:13 |
| JayDugger | and I thought their "hot pink" grips were silly... | 20:13 |
| JayDugger | Ha! the comment about Carlos's soundtrack fits. | 20:14 |
| JayDugger | I think I'll stick with my phone's MP3 playback. | 20:17 |
| JayDugger | And just wait for an open-source program that works as a taser. | 20:17 |
| JayDugger | After all, I hardly need a flashlight with the right program on my phone... | 20:17 |
| JayDugger | So discharging current is just another software problem, right? (I know, I know,...) | 20:18 |
| nsh | sci-fi recommendations? | 20:19 |
| JayDugger | Greg Egan. | 20:19 |
| JayDugger | Olaf Stapledon. | 20:19 |
| fenn | der.. did we just go through a daylight savings switch or something? or did i get abducted by machine elves and sent backwards in time one hour with false memories? | 20:19 |
| JayDugger | If you're here, you'll probably like them. | 20:20 |
| JayDugger | fenn, the latter. | 20:20 |
| fenn | FUCK | 20:20 |
| JayDugger | Who do you like, nsh? | 20:20 |
| fenn | nsh: neal stephenson, vinge | 20:21 |
| nsh | egan, stephenson, asimov, vinge | 20:21 |
| fenn | grmph | 20:21 |
| nsh | any particular good reads lately? | 20:21 |
| JayDugger | Hmmm... | 20:21 |
| JayDugger | Herodotus... | 20:21 |
| * nsh smiles | 20:21 | |
| JayDugger | Escape From Hell, but that's satire and not SF. | 20:22 |
| fenn | ted chiang "the story of your life" | 20:22 |
| JayDugger | David Marusek, Counting Heads. | 20:22 |
| nsh | just read Factoring Humanity by Robert Sawyer, but wasn't overwhelmed | 20:22 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, I don't care for Sawyer either. | 20:22 |
| fenn | i liked "themepunks" but only because i'm practically living it | 20:22 |
| JayDugger | Alastair Reynolds, if you like space opera. | 20:22 |
| JayDugger | Some Heinlein, some Haldemann. | 20:23 |
| fenn | the forever war, the golden compass | 20:23 |
| JayDugger | Herodotus is awesome with the HESTIA project's interactive maps. | 20:23 |
| nsh | oh, i'm halfway through Time Enough For Love. i should finish that really | 20:23 |
| JayDugger | fenn, did you like Forever Peace? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | "MIT Prof of Aerospace Eng, former NASA Astronaut" | 20:24 |
| fenn | dragon's egg, timemaster (maybe), integral trees | 20:24 |
| JayDugger | Eric Nylund's Signal to Noise, Signal Shattered. | 20:24 |
| JayDugger | Oh, yeah, Forward. Good call. | 20:24 |
| fenn | nsh have you read anathem? | 20:24 |
| nsh | yeah, was great | 20:24 |
| JayDugger | I like Niven's Known Space better. | 20:24 |
| JayDugger | I keep getting Suarez recommended to me, but I've not read his work. | 20:25 |
| * nsh appreciates the tips, by the way | 20:25 | |
| JayDugger | You might like C. Stross, if you've not read any. | 20:25 |
| kanzure | charlie stross basically took the extropy-chat mailing list and turned it into books | 20:26 |
| nsh | i have, but i can't remember which | 20:26 |
| kanzure | probably accelerando | 20:26 |
| JayDugger | Well...in some of his books, yes. Accelerando, definitely. | 20:26 |
| JayDugger | I like his horror better. | 20:27 |
| nsh | oh, i think i started Halting State and got distracted or something | 20:27 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: btw i've been looking over http://singularityu.org/programs/curriculum/ because someone is funding me to attend the 10-week session | 20:27 |
| superkuh | Stanislaw Lem's "His Master's Voice" is the best scifi I've read in the last year. | 20:27 |
| JayDugger | Duh! | 20:27 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, read Lem. | 20:27 |
| kanzure | yeah lots of people recommend lem | 20:27 |
| JayDugger | You've nothing better to do. | 20:27 |
| nsh | oO | 20:27 |
| JayDugger | Assuming you've read Egan, and that you don't need an overview of all SF in one book (i.e., Stapledon's Star Maker.) | 20:28 |
| fenn | if you want to read about awfulness "after the siege" in "overclocked" by doctorow | 20:28 |
| kanzure | i still recommend david zindell's neverness: http://heybryan.org/docs/Zindell,%20David%20-%20Neverness%20(v1.0).txt | 20:29 |
| JayDugger | Was his fantasy any good? | 20:29 |
| kanzure | who's? | 20:29 |
| JayDugger | Zindell's. | 20:29 |
| fenn | i didn't really like neverness, it was just so fluffy and ungrounded | 20:29 |
| nsh | right, i'd better get started | 20:29 |
| JayDugger | Oh, and Greg Zebrowski's macrolife. | 20:29 |
| kanzure | basically his fantasy mirrors his scifi | 20:29 |
| fenn | and why the fuck did they go live with the cavemen | 20:29 |
| kanzure | "to learn the secret of life" | 20:30 |
| kanzure | or something | 20:30 |
| fenn | but.. but.. | 20:30 |
| JayDugger | Neverness read like a blend of Brin and Gene Wolfe. | 20:30 |
| kanzure | zindell studied under gene | 20:30 |
| fenn | they should have just asked the SSE | 20:30 |
| kanzure | SSE? | 20:30 |
| JayDugger | nsh, google for a list of Hugo and Nebula winners. | 20:30 |
| kanzure | oh right | 20:30 |
| kanzure | didn't he? | 20:30 |
| nsh | JayDugger, aye, i've gone that route a few times | 20:30 |
| JayDugger | Start there, but remember some books win for want of competition. | 20:30 |
| fenn | yeah and iirc she called him a fucking moron for living with the cavemen | 20:30 |
| kanzure | hahah | 20:30 |
| JayDugger | Except for H.P., which I can't explain. | 20:31 |
| fenn | but my memory may be incorrect | 20:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: he met SSE before the cavemen | 20:31 |
| fenn | and after, no? | 20:31 |
| fenn | oh crap i'm mixing up stories now.. | 20:31 |
| JayDugger | SSE=Solid State Entities? | 20:31 |
| kanzure | singular | 20:32 |
| kanzure | er, solid state entity (singular) | 20:32 |
| JayDugger | right. | 20:32 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: so you've read it? | 20:32 |
| kanzure | how did you find it | 20:32 |
| fenn | confused neverness with modesitt "gravity dreams" | 20:32 |
| kanzure | hey don't i have that modesitt on my shelf? | 20:32 |
| fenn | yeah | 20:32 |
| kanzure | hm | 20:32 |
| fenn | it's another hyperspace pilot book | 20:32 |
| JayDugger | Neverness? Gosh...it was okay. I read that ages past. | 20:32 |
| kanzure | but how did you find it, JayDugger? | 20:33 |
| JayDugger | Oh, I lived in an area with a very good public library at the time. | 20:33 |
| kanzure | so you just randomly decided to read it because it was on the shelf? | 20:33 |
| JayDugger | Top 10 in the nation for the population base, actually. | 20:33 |
| kanzure | it's a book that not many people know about | 20:33 |
| JayDugger | Yes, I found it by shelf reading in the library's fiction section. | 20:33 |
| kanzure | i do that a lot too :/ | 20:34 |
| kanzure | but in my case, an internet buddy recommended it | 20:34 |
| JayDugger | I used to do that, but now I use book burro. It searches WorldCat. | 20:34 |
| JayDugger | Book title to Amazon (via Hyperwords), Amazon to WorldCat (via BookBurro). | 20:34 |
| JayDugger | I found Ted Nelson's Computer Lib/Dream Machines by shelf reading at the same library. :) | 20:35 |
| fenn | libraries usually have books that people request, right? | 20:36 |
| JayDugger | Depends on your library. | 20:36 |
| fenn | or do they just order books randomly based on what they think people should be reading | 20:36 |
| JayDugger | Again, it depends on your library. | 20:36 |
| JayDugger | That's really a question for my sister, the librarian. | 20:36 |
| fenn | yep | 20:36 |
| JayDugger | The one in question, they had a policy of spending as much as they could on the collection. | 20:36 |
| JayDugger | Almost everything else came second. | 20:37 |
| fenn | duh. what else would you spend it on | 20:37 |
| JayDugger | Facilities, salaries, computers, database subscriptions, etc... | 20:37 |
| fenn | i should invent a UAV that slaps people with a trout | 20:37 |
| JayDugger | Once the FAA approves mixed-use airspace, the "Duh-slap" UAV would make you a fortune. :) | 20:38 |
| fenn | after a week of flying cross country the trout would be pretty smelly | 20:38 |
| JayDugger | So much the better. | 20:38 |
| JayDugger | You can ask a library to get a book for you, but that's slow. | 20:39 |
| fenn | this for slapping library administrators who don't buy books, if that wasnt clear | 20:39 |
| kanzure | huh the detroit makerfaire is going to be *in* the ford museum? i've been there a few times | 20:39 |
| JayDugger | Do they have the money, is it a popular request, and then--how often do they buy? | 20:39 |
| JayDugger | Inter-Library Loan probably works faster, but... | 20:39 |
| kanzure | knowing about ted nelson is almost a pre-req for talking in here, JayDugger :) | 20:40 |
| JayDugger | you might have to pay shipping. | 20:40 |
| JayDugger | Nowadays just buying it via Amazon works nearly so well for books in-print. | 20:40 |
| fenn | yeah just about everything i would want is $1-3 | 20:44 |
| fenn | for fiction at least | 20:45 |
| fenn | for everything else, there's pirate bay :P | 20:45 |
| kanzure | "Medical nanorobotics, an introductory textbook. By Robert Freitas. $895.95" | 20:45 |
| fenn | from amazon? | 20:45 |
| JayDugger | Is that in print? | 20:45 |
| kanzure | i'm just making it up, but he did author a nanorobotics textbook and yes it was ridiculously expensive | 20:46 |
| JayDugger | Yeah...I have a few collectibles which make destructive scanning too awful to contemplate. | 20:46 |
| kanzure | http://www.nanomedicine.com/ | 20:46 |
| QuantumG | I wouldn't put it past him | 20:46 |
| fenn | kanzure: you might have to buy that for singularityu | 20:46 |
| fenn | or whatever it's called when you exchange someone else's money for something nobody wants | 20:47 |
| kanzure | http://www.amazon.com/Nanomedicine-Vol-I-Basic-Capabilities/dp/1570596808 | 20:47 |
| kanzure | oh that's under $100 | 20:47 |
| kanzure | wow | 20:47 |
| kanzure | (or you can just read it for free online) | 20:47 |
| fenn | "government"? | 20:47 |
| JayDugger | "Subsidies" | 20:48 |
| JayDugger | ? | 20:48 |
| kanzure | i'm going to try to convince singularityu to have an "all star" track where i don't have to give up people like peter norvig or have conflicting decisions like "sherlock holmes versus superman" | 20:48 |
| kanzure | i'm certainly paying enough for that.. | 20:48 |
| QuantumG | there's a tradition in the sci-fi world of writing "manuals" for technology that doesn't exist | 20:48 |
| QuantumG | I see most of this nanomedicine stuff like that | 20:49 |
| * kanzure wants a flux capacitor manual | 20:49 | |
| QuantumG | and a lot of nanotechnology in general | 20:49 |
| fenn | can you just go to whatever class you want? | 20:49 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: Jamey Sharp and Josh Triplett wrote XCB | 20:50 |
| kanzure | xlib? | 20:50 |
| fenn | i mean it's not like you get a degree for completing a set curriculum | 20:50 |
| jrayhawk | Josh Triplett, in particular, has an *amazing* capacity to tolerate walking through minute technical implications for hours and hours | 20:50 |
| kanzure | fenn: dunno.. just walking around hanging out probably wouldn't be entirely out of the question (especially if it's all in the same place) | 20:50 |
| kanzure | http://xcb.freedesktop.org/ | 20:51 |
| fenn | bart massey again.. add to stalk log | 20:51 |
| jrayhawk | which makes him hilariously intolerable to talk to in person, but quite a useful asset on a lot of projects. | 20:51 |
| kanzure | fenn: how did you find bart massey? | 20:52 |
| kanzure | did he just send an email to you? | 20:52 |
| fenn | i dont know it's just the third or fourth time i've run across that name | 20:52 |
| kanzure | er, where did you run across it | 20:52 |
| kanzure | this time | 20:52 |
| kanzure | did joe just say something? | 20:52 |
| fenn | maybe it's bkero's boss or something | 20:52 |
| kanzure | because i've been emailing bart back and forth today | 20:53 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCB | 20:53 |
| kanzure | oh i guess bart is associated with xcb | 20:53 |
| JayDugger | On the topic of ikiwiki? | 20:53 |
| kanzure | wait, why is ikiwiki coming up | 20:53 |
| kanzure | kfadlkfjklfdlkfjkd | 20:53 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: help | 20:53 |
| JayDugger | Massey-->Portland State Aerospace Society (hosted on ikiwiki) | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, he was the clever one who said "hey let's replace xlib with a macro language" which then set Jamey and Josh into motion. | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | Josh wrote large portions of Ikiwiki, too. | 20:54 |
| kanzure | has ikiwiki expanded past just joey hess? | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | Not really; I think Josh stopped once it got good enough for PSAS. | 20:55 |
| kanzure | stalk: Jamey Sharp <jamey@thesharps.us> | 20:55 |
| kanzure | stalk: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> | 20:55 |
| jrayhawk | PSAS is going to meet in about four minutes, actually, so hopefully I've gotten skdb to disrupt that a bit. | 20:56 |
| jrayhawk | They're full of interesting open hardware projects. | 20:57 |
| kanzure | bkero-legacy: do you know PSAS? | 20:57 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: do you know OSUOSL? | 20:57 |
| jrayhawk | I am usually skirting the edge of OSUOSL projects. | 20:57 |
| kanzure | gah http://osuosl.org/advisory has "Chris DiBona" listed, who i just learned of today because of http://singularityu.org/programs/curriculum/ | 20:58 |
| jrayhawk | I think a bunch of them actually wound up getting moved to PSU partially as a result of Bart. | 20:58 |
| kanzure | well, OSUOSL stalks us in here- there's like 20 of them in here | 20:59 |
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| fenn | ah massey also worked on cairo | 20:59 |
| jrayhawk | Massey is the secretary of the xorg foundation; he has his hands in everything. | 20:59 |
| jrayhawk | cworth also has involvement in PSAS, as it happens. | 21:00 |
| jrayhawk | Bart is a magical guy at social networking amongst technical communities; "who should i talk to about x problem" is a useful thing to ask him under most circumstances. | 21:01 |
| kanzure | also, he (along with joe here) is hosting gnusha.org | 21:02 |
| JayDugger | jrayhawk, has Keith Lofstrom any connection with PSAS? | 21:03 |
| jrayhawk | The face and name looks familiar... | 21:04 |
| JayDugger | Linux Northwest... | 21:04 |
| JayDugger | Server Sky presentation | 21:04 |
| jrayhawk | I don't see him showing up in the mailing list archives. | 21:04 |
| kanzure | oh! btw i'm presenting at texas linux fest in austin in april or whatever | 21:04 |
| JayDugger | Yes, but on what? | 21:04 |
| kanzure | "apt-get for hardware" :/ | 21:05 |
| JayDugger | Got it. | 21:05 |
| kanzure | i'm going to have to freshen up on my "why i'm not using apt-get itself" arguments | 21:05 |
| jrayhawk | I think I might've met him at a PLUG meeting. | 21:05 |
| JayDugger | I think he's at this year's Intl. Space Development Conf. in Chicago, but I don't plan to attend. | 21:05 |
| kanzure | i almost went to ISDC08 but it conflicted with high school graduation | 21:06 |
| JayDugger | Anyhow... http://server-sky.com/, a fun speculative proposal, and educational if not practical. | 21:06 |
| JayDugger | I've only attended one ISDC, in high school, and in Austin, by coincidence, but long ago. | 21:07 |
| jrayhawk | The people involved in the discussion are actually more likely to attack your model than your choice of toolchain. | 21:09 |
| jrayhawk | I don't think apt is going to enter the discussion all that significantly. | 21:09 |
| JayDugger | Hmm...I wonder if Lofstrom and Bradbury realize similarities between Server Sky and Matroishka brains? | 21:09 |
| JayDugger | http://server-sky.com/slides/serversky.pdf | 21:10 |
| JayDugger | And now I have to attend to IRL tasks. :( | 21:10 |
| JayDugger | Good night, all. | 21:11 |
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| bkero-legacy | kanzure: PSAS? | 21:14 |
| jrayhawk | http://psas.pdx.edu/http://psas.pdx.edu/ | 21:15 |
| jrayhawk | whoops | 21:15 |
| kanzure | failpants | 21:15 |
| jrayhawk | my mouse is a little screwy :( | 21:15 |
| kanzure | why do you even have one | 21:15 |
| jrayhawk | Because webbrowsers all have terrible interfaces | 21:16 |
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| fenn | the only reason i use gnome, and hence gnome-terminal, and hence have to click the damn tabs to switch to another terminal, is because gnome comes with this wifi NetworkManager icon in the menu bar, which is great and seems to be missing in everything else | 21:30 |
| fenn | so, is there some alternative wifi connection manager that i'm unaware of that doesn't require gnome? | 21:31 |
| fenn | oh and the transparent terminal is cool but i can probably find something else besides gnome terminal | 21:31 |
| kanzure | "Singularity University is a modern-day Jedi Academy for young leaders." | 21:34 |
| kanzure | fenn: you can use shift+arrow to switch to other tabs in gnome-terminal | 21:34 |
| fenn | no i can't | 21:37 |
| fenn | it just types "DCDC" | 21:38 |
| kanzure | gah no thanks to this rammstein amv asuka now has a massive german accent in my mind :( | 21:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: are you still on OSxucks? | 21:38 |
| fenn | isn't asuka german? | 21:38 |
| kanzure | oh | 21:38 |
| kanzure | um | 21:38 |
| kanzure | http://youtube.com/watch?v=oc_gcYMsGqQ | 21:38 |
| kanzure | also, gnome-terminal should have keyboard shortcut configuration capacitiers | 21:39 |
| kanzure | *capacities | 21:39 |
| fenn | while i'm bitching about gnome and window managers and mouse clicking, WTF IS WITH THE 50 PASTE BUFFERS | 21:40 |
| kanzure | what 50 paste buffers? | 21:40 |
| fenn | shift-insert is different from middle click is different from "paste" is different from firefox "paste" | 21:40 |
| fenn | and i can never figure out which action puts it in which buffer | 21:41 |
| fenn | so i end up pasting and deleting like 4 times | 21:41 |
| fenn | this worked perfectly with kde and icewm | 21:41 |
| QuantumG | never had that problem, but hey, I like GNOME | 21:42 |
| kanzure | why are you using gnome, fenn? kde seems to be the better choice in general | 21:43 |
| fenn | that's probably one of the best AMV's i've seen | 21:48 |
| fenn | as i explained above, KDE doesn't have a wifi manager for shit, afaict | 21:48 |
| QuantumG | so, umm, I missed it, what was your problem with gnome terminal? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | oh yay it's a fully assembled genome already | 21:53 |
| fenn | mostly just the ti forget | 21:59 |
| fenn | gah | 22:00 |
| fenn | so the kde install on this netbook is well and truly fucked | 22:00 |
| kanzure | oh you got yourself a netbook | 22:01 |
| fenn | yeah | 22:01 |
| fenn | konqueror works fine but the kde wm itself malfunctions in bizarre ways | 22:01 |
| fenn | anyway, i _want_ to use icewm and just have some app i can pick a wifi AP with, and type in the password and it actually works | 22:02 |
| jrayhawk | shift-insert and middle click use the same buffer, which is one negotiated between applications. | 22:02 |
| fenn | jrayhawk: not for me | 22:02 |
| fenn | and no i dont understand where the discrepancy comes from | 22:03 |
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| fenn | hello jules | 22:03 |
| jrayhawk | it's behavior is application-specific, and, in particular, Firefox is very easily confused about what to pull from. | 22:03 |
| jblake | Hi there. I'm probably just going to be lurking for a while more; I still have some other things to get through before I can devote attention to here. | 22:03 |
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| fenn | startuplinkup.com is kinda cool if you're into that sort of thing | 23:14 |
| fenn | semantic mediawiki | 23:14 |
| kanzure | oh look it's andrew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbxOPustYBc | 23:17 |
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| fenn | "paul bohm said... since techcofounder is basically a dating site, you should approach this like a dating event" | 23:59 |
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