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| kanzure | "Vinay Gidwaney, research affiliate, synthetic neurobiology group of MIT | 00:04 |
| kanzure | Media Lab and co-founder of Energy Inside, has found a way to make sad | 00:04 |
| kanzure | people feel ..." | 00:04 |
| fenn | to make them feel what? | 00:04 |
| kanzure | EVEN SADDER | 00:04 |
| fenn | JOY! i mean SAD! | 00:05 |
| fenn | delicious self pity | 00:05 |
| kanzure | skdb/web/web.py is bloaty and it sucks | 00:06 |
| kanzure | piny would have been a good replacement but the target platform is a little off (wiki compiler, perl, etc.) | 00:06 |
| fenn | piny == ikiwiki? | 00:07 |
| kanzure | all i want is something that serves up content from /var/git/ (or some other directory) | 00:07 |
| kanzure | piny is jrayhawk's crud on top of ikiwiki | 00:07 |
| kanzure | presumably for a project management platform or something | 00:08 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: ping | 00:08 |
| kanzure | i want a python-based ikiwiki without necessitating compiling or anything like that | 00:08 |
| kanzure | and then skdb tools can be thrown into a plugin dir or something | 00:08 |
| kanzure | user accounts on this web environment should be linked to linux users on the system (none of this "custom user database" bullshit) | 00:09 |
| jrayhawk | so you'd just be serving up raw markdown? | 00:09 |
| kanzure | but also allowing online anonymous wiki edits to the content (not impossible) | 00:09 |
| jrayhawk | they have a tool for that, it's called "a web server" | 00:10 |
| kanzure | no, i'd probably throw it through a markdown parser before showing it to the user | 00:10 |
| jrayhawk | what? you just said you didn't want to do that | 00:10 |
| kanzure | GET and POST requests correspond to different scripts running on the server to spit out and pretty up content | 00:11 |
| kanzure | (ideally) | 00:11 |
| jrayhawk | okay in what way would your parser not be compiling something | 00:11 |
| kanzure | this is stupid. i was talking about ikiwiki | 00:11 |
| kanzure | which compiles files through some parser (etc.) and then generates more static files | 00:12 |
| kanzure | which it then serves up | 00:12 |
| fenn | seems like a pointless implementation detail | 00:12 |
| kanzure | i don't wanna anticipate every possible user request | 00:12 |
| fenn | who cares if it caches the output | 00:12 |
| kanzure | because the parameters will supposedly be unique each time? | 00:12 |
| fenn | but they won't | 00:13 |
| kanzure | really? consider an inventory system for computing what hardware a user has and what hardware the user requires | 00:13 |
| fenn | why would you use a wiki for that | 00:13 |
| kanzure | inventory.yaml would be under revision control and able to be edited from the web just like everything else, in this proposed setup | 00:14 |
| jrayhawk | i am not really the person to help you code up anything and your desires are basically incoherent to me at this point so i am just going to say "have fun with that!" and move on | 00:14 |
| kanzure | (of course, inventory.yaml is specific to the user or to the server (i don't know which yet)) | 00:14 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: fair enough, buut i was hoping you could dump a few notes on what piny is in terms of project management | 00:15 |
| kanzure | you did so in omg but not in here (i know, i should just go copy and paste) | 00:15 |
| kanzure | also: i'd like to point out that i said "without necessitating compiling", which isn't the same as "nothing should be compiled" | 00:16 |
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| kanzure | i imagine some wordpress and drupal plugins would be a good example of things more complicated than (templating language -> fancy html output) | 00:17 |
| jrayhawk | Oh, most of the project management methodology involves aggregating tagged metadata inside the markdown on both pages and rss feeds such that it can be managed with rss2email (this i am already doing with ikiwiki elsewhere) and also shoving development email archives into the git repo such that they can also be processed by the compiler for publishing and metadata extraction. | 00:18 |
| jrayhawk | The "shoving mailing list archives into ikiwiki" thing is something I only have plans for at this point. | 00:18 |
| kanzure | is there stuff in piny for managing multiple ikiwiki installations over the web? | 00:18 |
| kanzure | *or should there be stuf | 00:18 |
| kanzure | *stuff | 00:18 |
| jrayhawk | Sorta. Everything I've planned out is in that page I linked you. | 00:19 |
| kanzure | http://piny.be/piny-code/architecture/needed_user_facing_infrastructure/ | 00:19 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 00:19 |
| jrayhawk | There already exists a web configuration frontend to Ikiwiki, but it looked dangerous for my mass-hosting purposes. | 00:20 |
| jrayhawk | I'd probably wind up reimplementing safe portions of it. | 00:20 |
| jrayhawk | Or thieving safe portions of it. | 00:20 |
| kanzure | maybe i just have a bad case of NIH | 00:22 |
| jrayhawk | i suspect that exists in you due to evolutionary pressures that drive creativity and exploration | 00:23 |
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| jrayhawk | to be fair i basically consider ikiwiki to be unmaintainable by anyone but Joey, and that does worry me | 00:28 |
| jrayhawk | (the quick project management methodology summary above sorta assumes you're sufficiently familiar with DVCS to understand the immediate benefits of keeping everything inside of version control, including bugs and mail) | 00:30 |
| kanzure | no, i think bugseverywhere (and others) are pretty neat | 00:31 |
| jrayhawk | (and your public web content, of course) | 00:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: halp, what should i do | 00:35 |
| jrayhawk | calendaring would be an interesting addition | 00:35 |
| jrayhawk | I guess that could be pulled off with with KathrynAnderson's plugins as is. | 00:37 |
| jrayhawk | I should give that a shot. | 00:37 |
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| fenn | i don't personally want to maintain a git-based wiki system, so uh, try to find someone else who is doing it already? | 01:27 |
| fenn | sorry i dont have any good advice | 01:28 |
| kanzure | jacob wants to make a radio-sensitive promoter | 01:33 |
| fenn | i dont think that's physically possible | 01:34 |
| fenn | not without serious molecular understanding of macrostructures and development | 01:35 |
| fenn | what's wrong with optical frequencies? | 01:35 |
| kanzure | forrest was reporting to me from diybio-houston | 01:36 |
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| Forrest | Hey Brian, I'm in. | 01:38 |
| JayDugger | Speak of the devil, welcome, Forrest. | 01:38 |
| kanzure | hello | 01:38 |
| kanzure | so, the meeting went well? | 01:38 |
| Forrest | Very, Two new bio majors came in, one active in her own research, also a CS student. | 01:39 |
| Forrest | We mostly talked about what it might take to get a radio sensitive promoter | 01:39 |
| kanzure | 01:35 < fenn> what's wrong with optical frequencies? | 01:40 |
| Forrest | They're easily blocked | 01:40 |
| Forrest | Trying to go longer | 01:40 |
| fenn | what are you trying to do exactly? | 01:40 |
| Forrest | Jacob was talking about a HeLa study where the cells went apeshit in response to cell phone radiation | 01:41 |
| klafka | interesting | 01:41 |
| JayDugger | What does "apeshit" mean in this context? | 01:41 |
| fenn | link or it didnt happen | 01:41 |
| Forrest | They thrived | 01:41 |
| Forrest | I'd call jacob but I don't think he's a night owl by any stretch | 01:42 |
| fenn | tbh this sounds like conspiracy paranoia bullshit, just my opinion | 01:42 |
| JayDugger | I'm less skeptical than fenn, but go on. | 01:42 |
| Forrest | He was just going to look at expression and see if any particular MRNAs popped out | 01:43 |
| Forrest | if so, that's something to go by | 01:43 |
| Forrest | if not, find a new project maybe | 01:44 |
| JayDugger | Can he reproduce the effect? | 01:44 |
| fenn | i would start by trying to replicate the experiment | 01:44 |
| kanzure | do you mean he wants to use these dubious reports of cell phone radiation inducing effects in cells as a way to find radio-sensitive promoters? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | or is he trying to prove cell phone radiation propaganda stuff | 01:44 |
| Forrest | Yeah. | 01:44 |
| Forrest | wait no | 01:44 |
| kanzure | ;lkfdsjfads | 01:44 |
| fenn | -_- | 01:44 |
| Forrest | but he thinks that something might be radio sensitive | 01:44 |
| JayDugger | And does he still beat his wife? ;) | 01:44 |
| fenn | and have you told your mom you're gay | 01:45 |
| JayDugger | Okay. | 01:45 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: i was just trying to figure out what we're talking about | 01:45 |
| JayDugger | Has anyone reproduced the effect? | 01:45 |
| kanzure | if jacob was fixating on cell phones, i'd be concerned | 01:45 |
| kanzure | but honestly it wouldn't be far-fetched to be generally fixating on radio-sensitive promoters | 01:45 |
| Forrest | I don't know much about it, just a general plan of action | 01:45 |
| kanzure | whatevs | 01:45 |
| kanzure | anywho, what else? | 01:45 |
| Forrest | Talking about thermocycler designs | 01:46 |
| fenn | i'm sure there are radio sensitive phenomena in biology, but why would it have anything to do with ovarian cancer cell culture? | 01:46 |
| kanzure | have you read the threads on diybio re: thermocycler designs? | 01:46 |
| kanzure | there's been a good 150+ posts on the topic in individual threads from time to time | 01:46 |
| Forrest | I'll get a look. I was just going on the stuff that was figured out when Merideth was over here | 01:47 |
| Forrest | I was thinking about casting some aluminum so that it'd take an epi tube | 01:48 |
| Forrest | Anything for an excuse to get a foundry burning at the hackerspace here | 01:49 |
| fenn | i'd suggest making something like an idaho "glass capillary tubes arranged around a lightbulb" | 01:49 |
| kanzure | fenn: one of the things i was thinking of for opensciencefund.org was skdb packages in .git repositories with metadata pointing back to a "tracker server" (an installation of piny, skdb/web/web.py or something) which counts and tracks monetary pledges (like kickstarter except distributed) | 01:49 |
| fenn | they to a lot of fancy machining on the blocks to reduce its thermal mass | 01:49 |
| Forrest | I noticed, part of the reason I'd like a cast part | 01:50 |
| kanzure | this way you don't have monetary pledges to .git repositories on random places across the web | 01:50 |
| fenn | i dont think pledges should be kept in revision control | 01:50 |
| kanzure | they won't be | 01:50 |
| fenn | we dont have a distributed money system with which to implement it | 01:51 |
| kanzure | more like a line saying "main server is at: http://blah.org/" | 01:51 |
| kanzure | and then they can access that server to get back deets like how much has been pledged | 01:51 |
| fenn | ok fine | 01:51 |
| kanzure | (or at least this is the best that i have come up with so far) | 01:51 |
| fenn | how about oshwbank | 01:52 |
| fenn | does it actually do anything yet? | 01:52 |
| kanzure | no, they just use a giant .ods file | 01:52 |
| kanzure | http://oshwbank.org/ | 01:52 |
| fenn | blah ok nevermind | 01:53 |
| kanzure | :( | 01:53 |
| kanzure | how the *hell* does a spreadsheet make wired magazine? | 01:53 |
| fenn | by misrepresenting what it actually is | 01:54 |
| fenn | i mean it certainly looks like a functional website | 01:54 |
| kanzure | heh i like the recent xkcd re: geoip | 01:56 |
| fenn | they seem to have gotten rid of the page that explains wtf is going on | 01:56 |
| kanzure | they're a front for liquidware | 01:57 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: star wars is still good for something http://xkcd.com/709/ | 01:58 |
| Utopiah | beside oshwbank and the upcoming OpenScienceFund.org , are there other "community funding" solution focusing on "open" projects? maybe for other domains? | 01:59 |
| JayDugger | I have a standing New Year's Resolution from 2006: never discuss religion with co-workers. | 01:59 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: here's a challenge: only discuss religion with co-workers when the religion is neither yours nor theirs | 01:59 |
| kanzure | most people can't seem to discuss sufficiently diverse religions though | 02:00 |
| JayDugger | Not only does it prevent arguments, it conceals gaps in the corpus from which this chatbot draws responses. :) | 02:00 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: awesomefund maybe | 02:00 |
| JayDugger | I save that for my sister, with her Theology degree from a Jesuit school. | 02:00 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: I made my own "chatbot draws responses" http://fabien.benetou.fr/AutoDebate/ReligionVsScience | 02:00 |
| fenn | supposedly fundscience but i think they are barking madly in all directions | 02:01 |
| fenn | s/barking/galloping/ | 02:02 |
| fenn | barking in a forest? | 02:02 |
| kanzure | i'm not convinced about crowdfunding in general | 02:02 |
| kanzure | who cares what the crowd thinks | 02:02 |
| kanzure | i have some robot armies to make | 02:02 |
| fenn | yeah whatever happened to the good old days when radicals just robbed banks | 02:02 |
| kanzure | srsly | 02:02 |
| Utopiah | ok, thanks | 02:02 |
| Forrest | It works sometimes. | 02:03 |
| kanzure | the joker never had to open up a kickstarter.com account | 02:03 |
| kanzure | he just robbed the god damned bank | 02:03 |
| kanzure | and got to work ASAP on his robot toy armies | 02:03 |
| JayDugger | Utopiah, in my experience, arguing rationally about faith constitutes an error of the Porcine Music Lesson class. | 02:03 |
| Forrest | Jacob got his funds to make that gumball machine reactor | 02:04 |
| JayDugger | As in, teaching a pig sing annoys the pig and wastes your time. | 02:04 |
| fenn | the joker wasn't real. i was thinking more like the symbionese liberation army | 02:04 |
| Forrest | he hasn't gotten around to it yet.. | 02:04 |
| kanzure | Forrest: but it doesn't matter if "it works sometimes" | 02:04 |
| JayDugger | Arguing from fictional evidence, anyone? :) | 02:04 |
| kanzure | what? | 02:04 |
| kanzure | symbionese liberation army wasn't fictional IIRC | 02:05 |
| fenn | go back and read what i just said | 02:05 |
| JayDugger | You can't seriously cite the Joker (or your imaginary character of choice). SLA existed | 02:05 |
| JayDugger | SLA existed, yes. | 02:05 |
| kanzure | ok so your comment was specifically aimed at me? | 02:05 |
| fenn | yes | 02:05 |
| kanzure | makes sense now | 02:05 |
| JayDugger | Mine aimed at you and those who cite faith or revelation in an argument. | 02:06 |
| JayDugger | I meant it to tie together the thread with Utopiah and the thread of your remarks. | 02:07 |
| JayDugger | I usually fail in those attempts, generating non sequiturs instead of insights. | 02:07 |
| fenn | i wonder if i should just not talk to people at all unless they're agnostic or atheist | 02:08 |
| fenn | otherwise they haven't demonstrated a basic level of cluefulness | 02:08 |
| fenn | and what's the point? | 02:08 |
| kanzure | i don't think you should start by asking if they meet basic qualifications before you talk with them | 02:09 |
| kanzure | i tried that | 02:09 |
| JayDugger | I suggest you avoid that, Fenn. | 02:09 |
| fenn | "hey, believe in god?" | 02:09 |
| fenn | "are you a god-botherer?" | 02:09 |
| fenn | please provide rationale for shooting down my idea | 02:10 |
| fenn | i think the world needs more militant atheists | 02:10 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: I dont expect "believers" to actually read and agree with it but at least it feels less frustrated that completly avoiding the dicussion because I talked about it so many times before (but with other persons) | 02:10 |
| Utopiah | \less frustrating than | 02:10 |
| JayDugger | Many people react badly to militant atheism. | 02:10 |
| fenn | many people react badly to anything they disagree with | 02:11 |
| Forrest | Many people react horribly to militant theists | 02:11 |
| JayDugger | Yes, and you've better things to do with your time than argue with fools? | 02:11 |
| fenn | JayDugger: that's the whole point | 02:11 |
| Utopiah | yes, but I still want to be able to improve my arguments in an organized fashion if I can | 02:11 |
| fenn | yes, i have better things to do with my time | 02:11 |
| kanzure | go back to work | 02:12 |
| fenn | i was thinking about drugging myself to sleep | 02:12 |
| JayDugger | Utopiah, that's a good goal--but I don't think it'll ever convince anyone. I misunderstood your aims. | 02:12 |
| kanzure | does melatonin work on you? | 02:12 |
| JayDugger | Melatonin, GABA, tryptophan, theanine. | 02:12 |
| fenn | not enough data to say | 02:12 |
| fenn | i stayed up to 5am yesterday | 02:12 |
| JayDugger | Vicodin in extreme need. | 02:12 |
| kanzure | yes but what time was that on your internal clock | 02:13 |
| fenn | it does seem to do something about a half hour after i take it, but wears off an hour after that | 02:13 |
| fenn | kanzure: i can show you what i've got so far if you really care | 02:13 |
| kanzure | what data are you recording and why do you think it's sufficient | 02:13 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: as you suggested before, try to convince somebody who feels safe thanks to faith with rational argument is a lost cause, so I don't even hope to do so, I just think that this way I can stay coherent without wasting time | 02:13 |
| JayDugger | I have that problem too. The time-release formulas help, a little. Try setting out another dose by your bed for when you wake. | 02:13 |
| fenn | kanzure: time i took melatonin, dosage, time i woke up and slept, and everything else | 02:16 |
| fenn | not sure what else i could record without sensors | 02:16 |
| fenn | JayDugger: i've read that the time release just fucks everything up and makes it impossible to schedule your dosage | 02:17 |
| Utopiah | (speaking of beliefs The Singularity: An Appraisal with Alastair Reynolds/Vernor Vinge/Charles Stross/Karl Schroeder http://vimeo.com/9445223 ;) | 02:17 |
| JayDugger | fenn, which do you want more: good data or good rest? | 02:19 |
| fenn | JayDugger: a demonstrated solution, not just "i think it might be working" | 02:20 |
| JayDugger | Point taken. | 02:20 |
| katsmeow | grab some GNC Natrasleep, take 4 caps an hr before bed, it beats melatonin | 02:20 |
| fenn | whatever, i know what valerian does | 02:20 |
| Forrest | electrodes and mess stuck all over might be uncomfortable, but I wonder what kind of information could be gleaned from a time lapse camera? | 02:20 |
| katsmeow | well, try mistletoe? | 02:21 |
| fenn | mistletoe? i didnt know that was used for treating sleep disorders | 02:22 |
| fenn | anyway i'm going to continue with melatonin for at least a month and not muck around with 50 different things at once | 02:23 |
| fenn | thanks for the suggestion but i doubt i'll start using a proprietary blend | 02:23 |
| kanzure | "Quite a few open source car projects out there. How will they interact with each other? They should consider using SKDB ( apt-get or Apache Maven, for hardware - http://bit.ly/dc8fAH ) so that their parts can be more easily interchange... moreQuite a few open source car projects out there. How will they interact with each other? They should consider using SKDB ( apt-get or Apache Maven, for hardware - http://bit.ly/dc8fAH ) so that their parts can be more easily interchanged and optimized. Does SKDB allow you to add your comments and experiences with a certain part? Like how it performed when assembled in certain configuration, or good and bad points you noticed? " | 02:24 |
| kanzure | from http://ortwinoberhauser.amplify.com/search/open+source+car | 02:24 |
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| Forrest | Has anyone here ever played cooking mama? | 02:27 |
| katsmeow | fenn, it was in Sleeptime tea till some fda meddling said it was dangerously effective | 02:27 |
| JayDugger | I've never heard of it. | 02:27 |
| Forrest | You play a bunch of minigames representing steps in a recipe | 02:28 |
| Forrest | cracking eggs, stirring batter | 02:28 |
| Forrest | Usually involves either a wiimote or a touch screen | 02:28 |
| JayDugger | Ah...why not just cook? | 02:28 |
| katsmeow | that was in the 80's, and the company was sold and resold several times, each selling making the owners more paranoid about the sleeping cutomers not waking up to buy more tea | 02:28 |
| JayDugger | Does the game aim at young children? | 02:28 |
| Forrest | All ages, but yeah | 02:29 |
| Forrest | There are a few reasons why someone might play the game instead of cook | 02:29 |
| JayDugger | I dislike cooking, and happily eat rather nasty food, so I am not the target market. | 02:29 |
| Forrest | It's like an interactive version of the food network | 02:29 |
| JayDugger | s/nasty/unpalatable | 02:30 |
| JayDugger | My sister might like that, though. | 02:30 |
| kanzure | we have something like that in the plans in skdb.git | 02:30 |
| JayDugger | ? | 02:30 |
| Forrest | That's what I was getting at | 02:30 |
| kanzure | but not targeted at the gaming market | 02:30 |
| JayDugger | Cooking in skdb? I hadn't thought of that... | 02:30 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: well he's talking about the general idea of instructions | 02:31 |
| kanzure | but yes cooking is one application | 02:31 |
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| JayDugger | `sudo skdb-get bread` First, buy some land... | 02:31 |
| Forrest | I was in class and my professor was explaining steps for prepping chickpea DNA for sequence | 02:31 |
| kanzure | yep, lab protocols too | 02:31 |
| JayDugger | Second, apply for USDA subsidies... | 02:31 |
| Forrest | and I was thinking about how tedious it sounded | 02:31 |
| kanzure | Forrest: you'll shit bricks when i get my microfluidics package working- it converts biology protocols into microfluidic lab-on-a-chip devices | 02:31 |
| Forrest | and I thought of how fun it might be to dial a virtual pipette with a wiimote and various other things | 02:32 |
| Forrest | Holy shit | 02:32 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: i was previously working on a way to order parts from suppliers via skdb for those things that you do not want to make yourself | 02:32 |
| kanzure | until the seasteading institute gets their shit together, you'll have to either (1) already have land or (2) buy land | 02:32 |
| kanzure | or (3) buy bread | 02:33 |
| JayDugger | I've already developed a taste for spirulina and a low-glycemic index diet. :) | 02:33 |
| kanzure | most people already have some land available, even if they are just renting an apartment (in which case they have floor space available, which isn't the same thing as land) | 02:33 |
| Forrest | Anyway, I told the "biotech mama idea to a friend of mine and he told me that SKDB wanted the same thing | 02:33 |
| kanzure | i wonder if fischerprice could get behind "my little biotech lab" | 02:34 |
| JayDugger | Forrest, has anyone done simulations of lab techniques? I imagine something like the surgical simulators for endoscopy and the like... | 02:34 |
| kanzure | but yeah | 02:34 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: yes | 02:34 |
| Forrest | Do you think sealand would allow a seasteading institute project to tether? | 02:34 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: http://designfiles.org/papers/instructions/ | 02:34 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: http://designfiles.org/papers/instructions/Extensible%20task%20simulation%20with%20motion%20archive-3.png | 02:34 |
| Forrest | I've seen good surgery simulators made like flash games | 02:34 |
| Forrest | They're more for learning protocols | 02:35 |
| JayDugger | Do you know if the FDA has to approve surgery simulators? | 02:35 |
| JayDugger | FAA tests flight simulators before pilots train with them, for example. | 02:35 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: i have some notes in skdb.git on instruction generation and "biotech mamma" stuff if you want to learn more | 02:35 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 02:35 | |
| Forrest | No they don't have to approve them, there are several popular video games similar to cooking mama focused around surgery | 02:37 |
| Forrest | http://www.edheads.org/activities/knee/knee1/index.htm | 02:37 |
| Forrest | That's simple | 02:37 |
| JayDugger | Continuing the parallel, pilots practice difficult procedures in flight simulators. Engine loss + bird strike on takeoff in bad weather, etc... | 02:37 |
| JayDugger | Thank you for the link. | 02:37 |
| JayDugger | Eww...yuck. That's worse than hydraulics. | 02:38 |
| Forrest | I do not know why surgery compares to hydraulics | 02:46 |
| JayDugger | Both involve liquids I dislike. | 02:46 |
| Forrest | Hahahahaha | 02:48 |
| Forrest | http://www.edheads.org/activities/brain_stimulation/swf/index.htm | 02:49 |
| Forrest | this one is easier to stomach | 02:49 |
| JayDugger | Thank you. I'll still wait until after I finish eating lunch. | 02:49 |
| Forrest | Brain surgery on SKDB | 02:51 |
| JayDugger | Yes, and my nuclear pulse drive spaceship, too. | 02:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | Orion | 02:52 |
| JayDugger | Purely for exploration. | 02:53 |
| Forrest | lol MoO | 03:01 |
| Forrest | The whole bit where you just give them a paralytic and an amnestic is hilarious to me | 03:11 |
| Forrest | "You're going to hate me for a little while, but what I gave you should prevent you from forming any long term memories, so I don't care." | 03:12 |
| Forrest | "You will be paralyzed for the duration of the operation, you can attempt to scream if something I'm doing feels more excruciating than you think I intend it to be" | 03:14 |
| Forrest | I was learning to brew mead a few years back. I read about how older recipes call for henbane instead of hops | 03:16 |
| JayDugger | ? | 03:17 |
| Forrest | henbane is hallucinogenic and can have a side effect that makes you overheat and die | 03:17 |
| JayDugger | Yes. Why have that in mead? | 03:17 |
| Forrest | It probably accounted for a lot of the punch of the drink. | 03:17 |
| Forrest | For obvious reasons it went out of style | 03:18 |
| Forrest | but it returned as medicine | 03:18 |
| Forrest | It was used as a sort of amnestic | 03:19 |
| Forrest | it didn't work that way | 03:19 |
| Forrest | It was popular during childbirth | 03:19 |
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| Forrest | The women would be overheating, in pain, and experiencing the horror of being held down in a hospital by demons or something | 03:20 |
| Forrest | net result was a lot of shell-shocked women | 03:20 |
| Forrest | It just makes me wonder if there are any malfunctioning amnesics in modern medicine | 03:21 |
| JayDugger | Probably. | 03:22 |
| JayDugger | I don't remember taking my mother to lunch after an outpatient procedure. | 03:22 |
| Forrest | I wonder how they work | 03:24 |
| Forrest | bye | 03:31 |
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| JayDugger | Good night. | 03:31 |
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| kanzure | hello hundred-ideas | 10:22 |
| hundred-ideas | Hi Bryan | 10:23 |
| hundred-ideas | has anyone built a 2-axis cell translation platform based on magnetohydrodynamics? | 10:23 |
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| hundred-ideas | Also, where is the log file located for this room? | 10:26 |
| kanzure | !log | 10:27 |
| kanzure | !logs | 10:27 |
| kanzure | god damn it ybit | 10:27 |
| hundred-ideas | really? oh is that a bot? | 10:27 |
| hundred-ideas | haha | 10:27 |
| kanzure | here: http://designfiles.org/irclogs.txt | 10:27 |
| kanzure | the logs only go to 2010-01-25 so if you'd like more just ask | 10:28 |
| hundred-ideas | hmm, I was going to run it through wordle | 10:29 |
| hundred-ideas | for, you know, fun | 10:29 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: disregard my last message, i just updated it | 10:30 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: if you want a frequency analysis, see http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/histo3 | 10:32 |
| hundred-ideas | thanks | 10:32 |
| hundred-ideas | there have got to be a ton of libraries out there for helping make tag clouds | 10:32 |
| hundred-ideas | I need the top 1000 most interesting (ok ok frequent) terms, minus common stop words | 10:34 |
| kanzure | what is a "stop" word | 10:34 |
| hundred-ideas | weird term, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_words | 10:34 |
| kanzure | cat hplusroadmap.log | sed 's/^.*>//g' | sed 's/\W/ /g' | sed 's/ /\n/g' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | 10:35 |
| kanzure | ah, i can do that http://www.textfixer.com/resources/common-english-words.txt | 10:36 |
| kanzure | ok let me cook something up real quick | 10:36 |
| hundred-ideas | p.s. you should meet up with Jeff Potter, if you have time | 10:38 |
| hundred-ideas | he's cool. | 10:38 |
| kanzure | is he the cooking-with-funjet person? | 10:39 |
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| hundred-ideas | not sure about funjet. cookingforgeeks.com | 10:41 |
| hundred-ideas | food hacking. | 10:41 |
| hundred-ideas | it's interesting to me because from a practical perspective, the setting and equipment used by molecular gastronomists / food hackers is often congruent with diybio activities, but the public perception is opposite | 10:42 |
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| * kanzure waits for his tag cloud generator to finish | 10:47 | |
| hundred-ideas | hey, can I grab the formatted tag list from you | 10:48 |
| kanzure | what format would you like | 10:48 |
| JayDugger | Tag cloud f what? | 10:49 |
| JayDugger | s/f/of | 10:49 |
| kanzure | word frequency analysis of #hplusroadmap | 10:50 |
| hundred-ideas | newline delimited | 10:50 |
| JayDugger | Neat. Have you a set of links dropped in #hplusroadmap? | 10:50 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: yeah but do you want something like: word,count\nword,count or count,word\ncount,word or count<deliberate space here>word or wut? | 10:51 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: yes | 10:51 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap-urls.2010-01-25.txt | 10:51 |
| JayDugger | Thank you. | 10:51 |
| kanzure | that was in late january. here's one from october: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap-urls.txt | 10:51 |
| kanzure | obviously the january one is more complete | 10:52 |
| kanzure | i'm going to limit this first cloud to words that have been mentioned 4 or more times | 10:57 |
| kanzure | the frequency list is 1.1MB in size and has about a million lines, so doing anything else will take more time than i have patience to give | 10:57 |
| JayDugger | Do you know the TextArc visualization? | 10:58 |
| kanzure | http://textarc.org/ | 10:59 |
| JayDugger | http://www.textarc.org/ | 10:59 |
| kanzure | no haven't seen it | 10:59 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/hplusroadmap_tag_cloud.html (1.7 MB) | 11:00 |
| kanzure | doesn't look good (don't bother) | 11:01 |
| * kanzure incorporates a word frequency list (bnc) | 11:11 | |
| Utopiah | (Creative Combinatorics http://notes.hapke.de/ by Thomas Hapke) | 11:15 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: here's another kind of combinatorics you might be interested in: http://ideonomy.mit.edu/gunkel.html | 11:18 |
| Utopiah | yep, know that page already | 11:19 |
| Utopiah | was very disappointed by his "Dreams" website | 11:19 |
| Utopiah | but thanks for reminding me of his work | 11:23 |
| kanzure | here we go | 11:33 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap_tag_cloud.2010-03-13.4-to-300-only.html | 11:33 |
| JayDugger | What does the step parameter mean? | 11:36 |
| kanzure | font size is an integer | 11:36 |
| kanzure | step size is multiplied by the frequency or count of the tag to determine which font size it should have | 11:37 |
| kanzure | or something like that | 11:37 |
| JayDugger | What software did you use to make this? | 11:37 |
| JayDugger | Heh. My name has only slighter greater size than "useless". | 11:38 |
| JayDugger | :) | 11:38 |
| kanzure | i wrote a quick script | 11:38 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: it's the same one that made http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tags.html | 11:39 |
| JayDugger | Neat. | 11:40 |
| hundred-ideas | back later, gotta do some work | 11:53 |
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| kanzure | http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra/ | 13:31 |
| fenn | hmm you should grep -v lines with -!- (server messages) | 13:35 |
| fenn | lots of hostname/ip crap in there | 13:35 |
| kanzure | "That raises a good point: If I launch a missile at my enemy or an unfortunate neighbor, and the missile's internal computer uses GPL software, then do I have to include a copy of the GPL source code (or make an offer to provide the code by mail) somewhere in the payload?" | 13:37 |
| fenn | only if the missile doesn't detonate :P | 13:37 |
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| kanzure | fenn: this has been making its way around the internet: http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Personal-Infographic/238344 | 13:51 |
| kanzure | guy behind it: http://www.jarrodbarretto.com/contact/ | 13:52 |
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| kanzure | ah here we go: http://www.jarrodbarretto.com/project/personal-infographic/ | 13:53 |
| kanzure | bah it's just a week? | 13:53 |
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| fenn | mine's better | 15:02 |
| fenn | his doesn't even make sense.. it all just runs together; color coded by day of the week? are you serious? | 15:02 |
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| kanzure | yeah but he's an "art student" so people spread it around more (for some reason) | 15:12 |
| kanzure | http://blog.freebase.com/2010/03/12/help-us-map-wordnet-to-freebase/ | 15:30 |
| kanzure | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/03/microfluidics-that-is-million-times.html microfluidic sorting device but for some reason with some hype around it | 15:33 |
| kanzure | with the paper: http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2010/02/08/0910781107.DCSupplemental/pnas.0910781107_SI.pdf | 15:33 |
| kanzure | "Ultrahigh-throughput screening in drop-based microfluidics for directed evolution" yay | 15:33 |
| kanzure | hm edited by harry l. swinney at utexas.edu | 15:34 |
| kanzure | pdf: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Ultrahigh-throughput%20screening%20in%20drop-based%20microfluidics%20for%20directed%20evolution.pdf | 15:35 |
| kanzure | grr that's just the supplementary | 15:35 |
| kanzure | fixed | 15:38 |
| kanzure | "1-million-fold reduction in cost" ha, ha | 15:40 |
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| fenn | gps proximity linked-in: http://pairwise.mobi/ "now at SXSW!" | 16:04 |
| fenn | apparently they wrote it in three days on a bus from sf to austin | 16:04 |
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| fenn | by euwyn poon and friends | 16:05 |
| fenn | paid for hackerdojo membership | 16:48 |
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| kanzure | fenn: please bug me until i cover that cost please | 17:12 |
| kanzure | hm only one please, please | 17:14 |
| kanzure | "I am Art Ransom and I live in Lancaster, I35 and Beltline, south of Dallas" | 17:15 |
| kanzure | so who wants to bet that the name is fake? | 17:16 |
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| genehackerwindow | kanzure you there? | 17:19 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:20 |
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| genehackerwindow | when are you leaving for dorkbot? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | tomorrow | 17:27 |
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| genehackerwindow | ok have fun with time travel | 17:30 |
| kanzure | what? | 17:30 |
| genehackerwindow | it's today | 17:30 |
| kanzure | lkfaflk | 17:30 |
| kanzure | fooey | 17:31 |
| * genehackerwindow runs while tying to the bbbuss | 17:32 | |
| Utopiah | http://eng.ifez.go.kr/menu02/robotland.asp | 17:32 |
| kanzure | should i go? | 17:34 |
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| kanzure | decisions decisions | 17:39 |
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| fenn | no tweezers at the dojo.. amazing | 20:10 |
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| kanzure | i feel like an idiot | 21:14 |
| kanzure | why did i go | 21:14 |
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| kanzure | hm that's interesting, bre is my target demographic for 1kfriend.ly http://www.facebook.com/brepettis | 21:36 |
| kanzure | i guess he's 1.5k friendly | 21:37 |
| genehacker | I'm back, I had to cross the sixth street anebriapause, but I made it | 21:37 |
| genehacker | *inebriapause | 21:37 |
| kingjacob | hello everyone | 21:59 |
| kanzure | hi kingjacob | 22:07 |
| kanzure | International Open Space Initiative | 22:09 |
| kanzure | oh apparently i knew about that in 2009-08 http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2009-August/052464.html | 22:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: ping | 22:10 |
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| kingjacob | @kanzure: were you able to get shell access to the server? | 22:22 |
| kanzure | i've been trying to log in to opensciencefund.com for the last few minutes and for some reason am not getting a response from the server | 22:26 |
| kanzure | i'll keep trying :) | 22:26 |
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| kingjacob | I'm waiting to talk with the support people right now | 22:32 |
| kanzure | it's not the end of the world if part of it is broken since we're already loaded up with free hosting everywhere :) | 22:38 |
| kingjacob | did you talk to the support people already? | 22:44 |
| kanzure | no? | 22:45 |
| kingjacob | okay, found out the problem | 22:47 |
| kanzure | hm? | 22:47 |
| kingjacob | they dont enable ssh by default for "security" reasons | 22:47 |
| kingjacob | it should work now | 22:47 |
| kanzure | a reasonable precaution | 22:47 |
| kanzure | running ssh scientist@opensciencefund.com still lags / doesn't do anything | 22:48 |
| kanzure | isn't hostgator a shared hosting provider? so ssh isn't going to give me root | 22:48 |
| kingjacob | its scientis, no t | 22:50 |
| kanzure | right | 22:50 |
| kingjacob | If its too big of a hassle dont worry about it | 22:51 |
| kanzure | yeah we'll sort this out later | 22:51 |
| kanzure | i was kinda hoping fenn would be around | 22:51 |
| kingjacob | who's fenn? | 22:52 |
| kanzure | http://fennetic.net/ | 22:52 |
| kanzure | he's an off-and-on skdb developer :P | 22:52 |
| kingjacob | ahh, very cool. | 22:53 |
| kingjacob | Speaking of very cool things, | 22:54 |
| kingjacob | On monday, I may be in Austin | 22:54 |
| kanzure | want to meet? | 22:55 |
| kanzure | i may or may not be hanging out with the ycombinator and capitalfactory people on monday, but other than that i'm doing nothing in particular | 22:55 |
| kingjacob | yeah, | 22:55 |
| kingjacob | ycombinator? nice. | 22:56 |
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| kanzure | "By the time you've reached your forties, chances are you're out-of-touch with more friends than you're in-touch with, old summer-camp chums, high-school mates, ex-spouses and their families, former co-workers, college roomies, dot-com veterans... Getting all those people back into your life is a full-time job and then some." | 22:57 |
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| fenn | kanzure: pong | 23:19 |
| fenn | did you meet bre yet? he's probably in austin right now | 23:20 |
| kanzure | yes i met with bre | 23:20 |
| fenn | does he act like his youtube persona? | 23:21 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:21 |
| fenn | AWESOME | 23:21 |
| fenn | ~~~ | 23:21 |
| kanzure | OH GAWD!!! EVERYONE GETS STICKERS!!! | 23:21 |
| kanzure | he's slightly toned down in person and listens more than he does on the web, but not by much | 23:22 |
| fenn | so, hackerdojo is really nice to just hang around for a while, then go next door and chat with some cool people @ android hackathon, then eat some lo mein and cookies and back to hacking | 23:23 |
| fenn | the electronics bench looks like it doesn't get used enough | 23:23 |
| kanzure | what do people do then? most hackerspaces that i've looked into tend to do mostly electronics stuff | 23:23 |
| fenn | the cnc mill works, but it uses mach 3 which is super goofy | 23:24 |
| kanzure | mach3 is cam? | 23:24 |
| fenn | they mostly sit around with laptops :\ | 23:24 |
| fenn | granted, that's what i did today too | 23:24 |
| kanzure | oh so it's a co-play/co-working space | 23:24 |
| fenn | yeah it's more like a big clubhouse | 23:24 |
| fenn | for nerds | 23:24 |
| kanzure | do they have a russian bouncer named nikoli? | 23:24 |
| fenn | not that kind of clubhouse | 23:25 |
| kanzure | s/nikoli/stanislev | 23:25 |
| kanzure | or something more manly | 23:25 |
| fenn | the kind with a loft and electric scooters | 23:26 |
| kanzure | bre showed up on a fucking segway | 23:26 |
| fenn | AWESOME | 23:26 |
| kanzure | everyone smelled like beer and buttsecks | 23:26 |
| kanzure | it was terrible :( | 23:26 |
| fenn | hm i wonder why | 23:26 |
| fenn | did you go to any of the music thingies | 23:27 |
| kanzure | arc attack | 23:27 |
| kanzure | http://arcattack.com/ | 23:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | what does buttsecks smell like? | 23:28 |
| kanzure | ass and more ass | 23:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh | 23:29 |
| kanzure | for some reason i was solicited to write someone an iphone app :/ | 23:29 |
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| fenn | never in a million years would my high school do something like arc attack | 23:31 |
| fenn | the science teacher must be getting pretty hot in that cage | 23:32 |
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