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| fenn | this sort of reminds me of "castle of illusion" http://fennetic.net/irc/IMG_0147.JPG | 01:03 |
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| jrayhawk | I don't know if I've ever seen a server running all of php, python, ruby, and perl applications. | 01:26 |
| jrayhawk | You are a madman! | 01:26 |
| Utopiah | it does look like you are looking for its winner and eventually plan to rape it in the dark... o_0 | 01:29 |
| Utopiah | note that it also have a concern look on its face | 01:29 |
| fenn | yeah yeah, poor robot | 01:44 |
| fenn | i'm only in it for the money | 01:44 |
| fenn | the "eye tracking for data entry" thing turned out to be some kind of misprint.. instead it was 100% undiluted bullshit from adobe | 01:50 |
| fenn | "Adobe's Global Market Research Team, the Strategic Research Group (SRG) specializes in exploratory, people-centered research across Adobe's diverse businesses, markets, and technologies." | 01:51 |
| fenn | yay! | 01:51 |
| fenn | now WTF does that have to do with human computer interaction? | 01:52 |
| Utopiah | maybe they meant human money computer interactions | 01:52 |
| * fenn writes an angry email | 01:53 | |
| QuantumG | is there any other kind? | 01:54 |
| fenn | hmm i wonder if this is eri's fault | 01:54 |
| QuantumG | fffffuuuuu..... season 4 of ST:TNG fell out of torrent queue somehow... so I just got to the end of season 3, and discovered season 4 isn't ready! | 01:55 |
| fenn | aha the actual eye tracking talk: http://www.baychi.org/calendar/20100127/ | 01:56 |
| * rektide is hoping that will be fun to watch tomorrow | 02:24 | |
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| Utopiah | are there any tools generating social network from voices in movies? | 03:15 |
| Utopiah | mapping a voice to a person then linking persons based on the the lapse between each voice caught I guess | 03:16 |
| Utopiah | maybe some tools are already doing so from text, I remember an IBM experiment on that, maybe just generating a transcript then this | 03:20 |
| QuantumG | google recently released their transcript technology on youtube | 03:22 |
| QuantumG | it's, ummm, pretty bad | 03:22 |
| Utopiah | yes, that's I guess why I thought about using transcripts rather than voice tone/pitch/whatever | 03:22 |
| QuantumG | yeah, voice recognition (as in, assigning a person to a voice) is still incredibly primitive.. but, to be honest, it's something humans suck at too. | 03:23 |
| Utopiah | well, the thing is that for such a tool, at least first, word recognition is not required, only identifying who is speaking and when, then having hypothesis about to whom based on behaviors (like time response) | 03:26 |
| Utopiah | (every time I do a search about social network I end up with marketing BS) | 03:29 |
| Utopiah | http://www.jibble.org/piespy/ | 03:30 |
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| QuantumG | http://www.physorg.com/news187879295.html | 05:27 |
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| kanzure | "A floating point conversion error caused an Ariane 5 rocket to explode back in 1996" | 06:24 |
| kanzure | http://www.ima.umn.edu/~arnold/disasters/ariane.html | 06:24 |
| kanzure | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1585260&cid=31506226 | 06:27 |
| kanzure | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1585260&cid=31506468 | 06:27 |
| Utopiah | http://www.jibble.org/shakespeare/ | 06:39 |
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| kanzure | .deb files for heekscad http://highlab.com/~seb/heeks/ (yay) | 08:37 |
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| kanzure | java irc client distributed by freenode? martin put up a copy at http://www.austinhackerspace.org/irc_page | 08:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2010/03/synthetic-biology-is-a-bit.php | 08:50 |
| kanzure | (from the synthetic aesthetics people) | 08:50 |
| kanzure | so, a guy named ben (alter ben) from the ycombinator sxsw meetup was talking with me about metcalfe's law | 08:55 |
| kanzure | "Metcalfe's law states that the value of a telecommunications network is proportional to the square of the number of connected users of the system (n**2)." | 08:55 |
| kanzure | he was suggesting i apply it to social networks, in which case he pointed out that the law is wrong | 08:56 |
| kanzure | namely because from a single user's perspective, they value their friendships and connections differently | 08:56 |
| kanzure | so then you get this weighted longtail distribution of friendship/connection values across the network | 08:56 |
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| kanzure | cool he's cited in the wikipedia article | 09:02 |
| kanzure | i didn't catch his name, and he was a new google employee so didn't have a card | 09:02 |
| kanzure | "# | 09:02 |
| kanzure | # Metcalfe's Law is Wrong. Bob Briscoe, Andrew Odlyzko, and Benjamin Tilly, July 2006 IEEE Spectrum. Points out that Metcalfe's Law is wrong, that the value is closer to n log (n)" | 09:02 |
| kanzure | http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/networks/metcalfes-law-is-wrong | 09:02 |
| kanzure | "It is named for no less a luminary than Robert M. Metcalfe, the inventor of Ethernet. " | 09:03 |
| kanzure | that's like saying "the inventor of air, you've probably heard of it right?" | 09:03 |
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| kanzure | "At some point, adding one person would theoretically increase the network value by an amount equal to the whole world economy, and adding a few more people would make us all immeasurably rich. Clearly, this hasn't happened and is not likely to happen." | 09:11 |
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| kanzure | hm | 09:19 |
| kanzure | rock's law: the cost of semiconductor tools doubles every four years | 09:19 |
| kanzure | machrone's law: the pc you want to buy will always be $5000 | 09:19 |
| kanzure | wirth's law: software is slowing faster than hardware is accelerating | 09:20 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock%27s_law | 09:20 |
| kanzure | "Rock's Law, named for Arthur Rock, says that the cost of a semiconductor chip fabrication plant doubles every four years. As of 2003, the price had already reached about 3 billion US dollars." | 09:20 |
| kanzure | http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/materials/5-commandments/2 | 09:21 |
| kanzure | "When integrated circuits were first made, the template for a circuit pattern--called a resist--was put down in wax by a human being wielding a 10-cent camel's hair brush. Then the wafer was dipped in sulfuric acid or some other etchant so that only the circuit pattern remained. Today, this job is done by a $14 million, 193-nanometer-wavelength stepper; " | 09:22 |
| kanzure | ""All of China couldn't do a week's production of an Intel factory using camel's hair brushes as the etching tool," says Hutcheson." | 09:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | ""All of China couldn't do a week's production of an Intel factory using camel's hair brushes as the etching tool," says Hutcheson." <<== isn't a proper comparison | 09:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | that's like saying a generator putting out 500kw can supply a year's worth of power | 09:36 |
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| kanzure | videos from operation playmate and arcattack at sxsw dorkbot23 http://flickr.com/gp/tinytexas/oMb7nf | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | "open data" http://piratepad.net/LgLRcGLw35 FAQ questions being added, presumably to be answered eventually | 10:04 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/makerbot | 12:04 |
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| kanzure | makerbot conveyor belt http://svn.makerbot.com/users/charles/conveyor/ | 12:22 |
| kanzure | http://charlespax.com/2010/03/17/makerbot-conveyor-belt/ | 12:23 |
| kanzure | video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njE9dYSMPwA | 12:23 |
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| fenn | i wonder if stuff peels off inadvertently while being extruded | 13:49 |
| fenn | this 'defensive publication' stuff is almost as bad as filing for a patent | 13:58 |
| fenn | and they don't seem to understand a plain english request like "where are the documents"? | 13:59 |
| ybit | ahaha | 14:12 |
| ybit | did anyone see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jywQLnUnMG0 | 14:13 |
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| Utopiah | brillant :P | 14:29 |
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| fenn | i should probably stalk every person on this list: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Polycaprolactone | 16:22 |
| kanzure | "where are the documents?" -> their eyes glaze over and they start to wonder if you're alien | 16:55 |
| fenn | sort of silly visualization of revision history (the origin of species by darwin) http://benfry.com/traces/ | 17:14 |
| nsh | nice | 17:18 |
| kanzure | http://mightyohm.com/blog/2010/03/austin-hackerspace-pics/ | 17:25 |
| kanzure | http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html | 17:28 |
| kanzure | http://citizenengineer.com/ "New online video series about open source hardware, electronics, art and hacking by Limor (Ladyada) Fried of Adafruit Industries & Phillip (pt) Torrone of MAKE magazine." | 17:29 |
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| kanzure | well that's not encouraging | 18:34 |
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| fenn | where's my ratborg 3000? http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/01/found_pettoys/ | 18:50 |
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| fenn | i wonder what universe this person is from "In one camp are authors who over-associate war with violence, a link for which there is little support in historical evidence." | 19:15 |
| QuantumG | hehe | 19:22 |
| QuantumG | that's gold, who said that? | 19:22 |
| QuantumG | Roger Penrose is a fucking disgrace | 19:25 |
| QuantumG | watching http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleTechTalks#p/u/0/f477FnTe1M0 | 19:26 |
| QuantumG | no idea why, it's frustrating to watch his amateur understanding of computability (which he confused with "computational" a dozen times), not to mention when he starts babbling on about microtubules | 19:27 |
| QuantumG | but hey, even his presentation of physics is amateurist.. it makes you wonder whether he actually did all the great work in physics that he's credited with | 19:29 |
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| QuantumG | I mean, he even suggests that flowers must have sort level of consciousness because they know what bees like.. I shit you not | 19:40 |
| QuantumG | s/sort/some/ | 19:40 |
| fenn | and you disagree? | 19:49 |
| QuantumG | heh, yes. I believe flowers and bees co-evolved to their current state. | 19:49 |
| fenn | and that means there is no consciousness involved? | 19:50 |
| fenn | disclaimer, i have no idea what roger penrose says | 19:50 |
| fenn | other than the penrose tile thing | 19:50 |
| QuantumG | he rejects that hypothesis and says consciousness is responsible | 19:50 |
| fenn | some people are going to be pissed when we make a working synthetic brain | 19:52 |
| fenn | and it turns out that man isn't the center of the universe, again | 19:52 |
| QuantumG | nah, they'll just keep playing semantics games | 19:52 |
| QuantumG | "oh, it's not *really* a brain." | 19:52 |
| QuantumG | still plenty of life in "intelligence", "consciousness", "awareness" | 19:53 |
| fenn | yeah like the people who think that the center of the earth is really the outer shell of the universe, and space just happens to shrink as you go toward the center (thus providing room for the rest of the stars in the sky) | 19:53 |
| QuantumG | imagine you have a function called foo().. it returns no value, uses no global variables and does no I/O. An optimizing compiler should identify this function as being useless and remove it, right? | 19:55 |
| QuantumG | ok, well what if the function contains an infinite loop? | 19:55 |
| fenn | you should have used the wait function instead | 19:55 |
| QuantumG | then the optimizing computer can't remove it.. it first has to determine if foo() halts or not.. hello halting problem, therefore optimizing compilers are impossible. | 19:56 |
| QuantumG | s/computer/compiler/ | 19:56 |
| fenn | what's the point of a program that goes into an infinite loop? | 19:56 |
| QuantumG | as such, because I've proved that optimizing compilers are impossible, but apparently they exist, I postulate that optimizing compilers much contain some sort of oracle that lets them do non-computable things.. and to back up my theory I've identified a part of a optimizing compilers that I call the "micro-codules" and here's some wacky theory that explains how it might work. | 19:58 |
| QuantumG | micro-codules look like this: { and sometimes they look like this } | 19:59 |
| fenn | every time i come to langton there's a different piece of lab equipment sitting on the kitchen counter | 20:00 |
| fenn | this time it's a sartorius balance, and seems to be hooked up to some stereo speakers? | 20:01 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/cspan.tar.gz (200 MB) | 20:02 |
| kanzure | or for people on davinci, it's in /home/bryan/scrapers/cspan/ | 20:03 |
| fenn | why do i care about cspan? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | someone asked me to scrape the cspan closed captioning database that was put online a few days ago | 20:10 |
| JayDugger | Did they say why? | 20:12 |
| fenn | are there millions of files in that dir? my shell just locks up when i try to look at it | 20:12 |
| kanzure | nah only about 60k | 20:13 |
| kanzure | 59546 | 20:13 |
| fenn | oh "only" 60k ;) | 20:13 |
| kanzure | 1.9 GB and it compresses down to 200 MB :/ | 20:13 |
| kanzure | i'm guessing it's all the political boilerplate | 20:14 |
| fenn | text compresses about 90% in general | 20:14 |
| fenn | are you doing some kind of concept network based on transcripts? | 20:14 |
| fenn | (was that being discussed in here?) | 20:15 |
| kanzure | i think utopiah was talking about that? | 20:15 |
| kanzure | but no, a deaf dude just asked me to do it | 20:15 |
| fenn | heh ok | 20:15 |
| kanzure | or actually he posted on slashdot and asked people to do it, and got no responses | 20:15 |
| kanzure | it was a 5min deal, so yeah | 20:15 |
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| kanzure | a lot of the text really sucks. it's like the first 140 characters of what each person says | 20:16 |
| fenn | which should i read first, "getting things done" or "never eat alone"? | 20:16 |
| kanzure | more accurately 103 and 104 characters | 20:16 |
| kanzure | "never eat alone" is mostly bullshit | 20:16 |
| fenn | you say that about everything | 20:16 |
| kanzure | except the amazon reviews agree! | 20:16 |
| fenn | (it doesn't mean it's not true of course) | 20:16 |
| fenn | did you actually read it? | 20:16 |
| kanzure | no | 20:16 |
| fenn | ha! | 20:16 |
| fenn | ok, opinion discounted | 20:17 |
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| kanzure | i wouldn't buy a copy, but i'd glance at a pdf or txt if it dropped my way | 20:17 |
| fenn | i wasnt suggesting anything so vulgar as buying a book | 20:18 |
| JayDugger | Read Allen's "Getting Things Done." | 20:18 |
| JayDugger | You might find it at your local library (try worldcat) as dead-tree or audiobook. | 20:18 |
| JayDugger | Yes, I've read it. | 20:19 |
| fenn | the other day i was at adobe's "strategic research strategy" presentation, and they started talking about how they interviewed people in "the software aisle" to see what they were looking for.. that's when i realized we didn't live in the same world | 20:19 |
| JayDugger | fenn, have you done any work on concept maps? | 20:19 |
| kanzure | mindmaps? | 20:19 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: http://www.speakeasy.org/~lion/nb/ | 20:20 |
| fenn | no | 20:20 |
| JayDugger | I'd like to hear about work you've done with those, too, but I meant concept maps. | 20:20 |
| kanzure | "How to Make a Complete Map of Every Thought you Think" | 20:20 |
| kanzure | but it will probably kill you | 20:20 |
| fenn | i dont see the point of a concept map | 20:20 |
| fenn | is it for sharing with other people how you view the universe? | 20:20 |
| JayDugger | Nah...I've a partial record, my "someday-perhaps" mind map. | 20:20 |
| JayDugger | That goes back over a decade. | 20:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: it's certainly not ideal imho if that's the purpose | 20:21 |
| JayDugger | Not super-useful. | 20:21 |
| fenn | just looks like more boxes-and-arrows to me | 20:21 |
| JayDugger | I only ever did one to communicate an idea, well, two. | 20:21 |
| JayDugger | Hang on... | 20:21 |
| fenn | sort of like rdf i guess | 20:21 |
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| JayDugger | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jay_dugger/2184651464/ | 20:22 |
| JayDugger | That shows the relationships in a RPG adventure I ran for friends. | 20:22 |
| JayDugger | It had a complicated, espionage-related plot, and the map made sure I kept my story straight. | 20:23 |
| fenn | i dont see any concepts | 20:23 |
| JayDugger | ? | 20:24 |
| JayDugger | Boxes indicate characters, lines indicate actions. | 20:24 |
| JayDugger | I think we've got a "semantic impedance mismatch." | 20:24 |
| fenn | where are the concepts? | 20:24 |
| JayDugger | I don't understand what you ask, fenn. Would please you rephrase it? | 20:25 |
| fenn | all i see are references to tangible things, or at least fictional tangible things | 20:25 |
| JayDugger | Right. | 20:25 |
| fenn | where would 'world peace' fit in this map? | 20:25 |
| JayDugger | That didn't fit into the storyline. Let me think about that question. | 20:25 |
| fenn | ok, where would 'espionage' fit? | 20:26 |
| QuantumG | or 'murder' | 20:26 |
| QuantumG | or 'theft', or ... | 20:26 |
| JayDugger | Okay, I think I get it. | 20:27 |
| JayDugger | This particular map only involved concrete actions or characters in the fictions. The overall shape of the map demonstrates the relationships among the characters. You seem to ask for a rather broader level of detail than this map shows. | 20:28 |
| kanzure | "Ok, I understand Alrmadillo needing a supply of methane. But what is | 20:29 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. children initially refer to themselves in the third person? I've never heard that one before. | 20:29 |
| kanzure | Blue Origin doing with GH2?????" | 20:29 |
| QuantumG | there's a lot of good replies in that thread | 20:31 |
| QuantumG | but, of course, no-one *knows* | 20:31 |
| QuantumG | (in that thread) | 20:31 |
| JayDugger | This map, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jay_dugger/2265186269/, shows a set of themes common to a set of different RPGs. The arrows show how different games use those themes in particular order during play. | 20:32 |
| JayDugger | I think that more closely matches what you had in mind for concept maps. | 20:32 |
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| kanzure | http://www.newspacejournal.com/2009/02/09/blue-origin-and-jeff-bezoss-reading-habits/ | 20:33 |
| QuantumG | I never really referred to myself as a child.. in fact, I can honestly say that I never did at all until I was about 25. | 20:34 |
| QuantumG | (in the third person) | 20:34 |
| * kanzure wonders what numerical person this counts as | 20:34 | |
| QuantumG | heh, I read a paper once where some linguist was studying irc because people more regularly refer to themselves in the third person | 20:35 |
| QuantumG | with /me | 20:35 |
| kanzure | /me is first person before i send it | 20:36 |
| QuantumG | and many people break grammar when doing so | 20:36 |
| * QuantumG has to make an example. I can't think of one. | 20:36 | |
| QuantumG | ^ - baffles linguists | 20:36 |
| QuantumG | or, at least, it did before the paper I vaguely remember reading. | 20:37 |
| QuantumG | in fact, it might have been in Bartle's Designing Virtual Worlds. | 20:37 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, all. | 20:44 |
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| fenn | blah. ok now that bootstrap.org moved to dougengelbart.org can we please do something useful with the domain besides a lame redirect? | 20:56 |
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| kanzure | "Moreover, a greater percentage of very close social partners in social networks is related to lower levels of happiness among the young age group" | 20:57 |
| kanzure | O_o "Specifically, as age increased, baseline social network size decreased. As baseline depression scores increased, social networks increased significantly" | 20:58 |
| kanzure | maybe all your friends are dying? but wouldn't that make you depressed and show the size decreasing | 20:59 |
| fenn | that sounds totally wrong | 20:59 |
| fenn | how could you keep up with people if you're depressed and stay home all day? | 20:59 |
| QuantumG | no matter how many fake friends you tag on social media sites, your parents are still disappointed in you. | 21:00 |
| kanzure | haha | 21:01 |
| QuantumG | and your expected life path will always be one of mediocrity | 21:01 |
| kanzure | "Relationship of Social Network Size to Infant Birth Weight" | 21:05 |
| * kanzure sighs | 21:06 | |
| nsh | don't underestimate mediocrity | 21:11 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi | 21:11 |
| kanzure | "blat, the russian equivalent" hah! | 21:12 |
| * fenn blats all over you | 21:13 | |
| fenn | oh crap, sorry | 21:13 |
| fenn | i've been taking too much guanxi i guess | 21:13 |
| * kanzure throws a dictionary at fenn | 21:14 | |
| fenn | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blat | 21:15 |
| fenn | huh "blat" means "whore" in russian? | 21:15 |
| Noahj | Everything means "whore" on urbandictionary | 21:16 |
| fenn | '"BLAT", similar to the sound it would make if you jumped on a full tube of toothpaste.' | 21:17 |
| kanzure | are you sure? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=everything | 21:17 |
| Noahj | I'm moderately surprised that that was false | 21:19 |
| Noahj | Oh well | 21:19 |
| Noahj | http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/things_i_wont_work_with/ | 21:20 |
| kanzure | a fairly popular blog, yes :) | 21:20 |
| Noahj | I've only discovered it recently | 21:21 |
| Noahj | I understand its popularity, though! | 21:21 |
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