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| genehacker | whoa theo jansen mechanism looks complex | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | how did he not know about the theo jansen mechanisms? | 00:32 |
| kanzure | via JayDugger http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/04/additive-manufacturing-with-high-volume.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29 | 00:33 |
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| * nsh decides not to the download the 700Mb zip file for analysis | 00:56 | |
| nsh | what is/was that site anyway (ess.myvnc.com:8928)? or how did you find it? | 00:56 |
| kanzure | i don't know the answer to either of those questions O_o | 00:57 |
| nsh | hm | 00:59 |
| nsh | should probably be careful about mirroring things you have no idea about... | 00:59 |
| nsh | not that i care | 00:59 |
| nsh | fun: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22Network+Storage+Link+for+USB+2.0+Disks%22+%22firmware+version%22&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | 01:02 |
| nsh | http://www.daanmeijer.com/DISK%202/Movies/ | 01:21 |
| fenn | heh | 01:26 |
| fenn | "There was an unusual problem serving the requested URL. " | 01:27 |
| fenn | only seems to work for .tag files on that site | 01:30 |
| Utopiah | @1h30 RMS talks about licensing of ~"compiler for real stuff" blueprints http://www.archive.org/details/RichardStallmanAFreeDigitalSocietytalkPresentedOn13October2009AtThe (basically you need to GPL all that stuff) | 02:07 |
| fenn | triffid's non-suck reprap firmware that runs on regular arduinos: http://github.com/triffid/ATmega-Skeleton/blob/master/mendel/Makefile | 02:57 |
| fenn | something like that | 02:57 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:52 |
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| kanzure | grr | 07:29 |
| kanzure | i explicitly asked jacob *not* to send out that email | 07:29 |
| kanzure | until we had the constitution, social contract and "free hardware guidelines" drafted | 07:30 |
| kanzure | i even have email correspondence with him where we were talking about this | 07:31 |
| kanzure | *what the fuck* | 07:31 |
| kanzure | am i missing something? | 07:32 |
| JayDugger | The possibility of an honest mistake? | 07:34 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/call_for_volunteers | 07:36 |
| kanzure | and he also ignored the god damned wiki | 07:36 |
| kanzure | blah | 07:36 |
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| JayDugger | Well, a wiki edit fight serves no one. | 07:39 |
| kanzure | there was no wiki edit fight | 07:41 |
| kanzure | "things to do BEFORE sending out the call for volunteers" - it's right there on the wiki | 07:41 |
| JayDugger | Yes, I see it. | 07:41 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps he had good reason? | 07:42 |
| kanzure | i doubt it | 07:48 |
| kanzure | but am willing to listen | 07:48 |
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| kanzure | hundred-ideas: hey | 07:49 |
| hundred-ideas | hey kanzure. got a laser cutter now, eh? | 07:49 |
| kanzure | yes | 07:49 |
| hundred-ideas | most excellent. | 07:49 |
| kanzure | i'm kind of disappointed that jacob sent out that email even though the wiki explicitly asked him not to | 07:49 |
| kanzure | and our email correspondence confirming that as well | 07:50 |
| kanzure | i need to run at the moment. can we talk later? | 07:50 |
| hundred-ideas | sure | 07:50 |
| hundred-ideas | thanks for sending me the email | 07:50 |
| kanzure | which one? | 07:50 |
| JayDugger | No worries. | 07:50 |
| hundred-ideas | I wrote comments to an earlier one, but didn't develop them enough to warrant sending | 07:50 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt has the last 20min | 07:50 |
| hundred-ideas | actually you sent it to all of diybio 10 min ago | 07:50 |
| hundred-ideas | I agree that non-assert agreements is an interesting avenue. It seems like the biobricks foundation ended up going in that direction with their BPL. | 07:51 |
| hundred-ideas | thanks. see you. | 07:51 |
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| hundred-ideas | hey genehacker | 08:03 |
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| kanzure | hundred-ideas: back | 10:23 |
| hundred-ideas | cool | 10:28 |
| kanzure | sent you an email re: diybio kit store | 10:31 |
| kanzure | just got back from talking with eliza evans | 10:32 |
| kanzure | she wants to fix the R&D pipeline especially for business/university research relations | 10:33 |
| kanzure | apparently she spends most of her time redirecting her contacts from her past life in a chemical industry (or pharma?) to people with labs and equipment, and she wants to streamline/automate this | 10:34 |
| kanzure | one of the problems is that the IP contract with UT for research is something like 30 pages long | 10:35 |
| kanzure | the corresponding legal docs for purdue are one pagers :) | 10:35 |
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| kanzure | i didn't mention this to her (because i didn't think of it then) but it looks like it would be an interesting arrangement to do agreements between researchers and a company that wants to sponsor research/work and then transplant the researchers to a university that is easier to work with when it comes to IP bullshit | 10:36 |
| kanzure | or even have them intern at a particular hackerspace or something | 10:40 |
| hundred-ideas | Alternative sources of infrastructure to dodge university IP policies is interesting | 10:46 |
| hundred-ideas | I would like to see data about how problematic university IP policies actually are | 10:46 |
| hundred-ideas | it's one of those things that is burdensome in theory but may not actually be in widespread practice. Or maybe it is. Or maybe there are much bigger problems. | 10:47 |
| kanzure | $35B in research money from U.S. companies goes overseas because of IP bullshit | 10:48 |
| hundred-ideas | source? | 10:52 |
| kanzure | eliza :/ | 10:52 |
| kanzure | i'll ask her for some data on that | 10:52 |
| hundred-ideas | are you in CST? | 10:52 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:53 |
| kanzure | i should have mentioned that. sorry | 10:53 |
| hundred-ideas | Does 3:00 pm CST tomorrow work? | 10:53 |
| hundred-ideas | I have a meeting at 4:00 CST. | 10:53 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:53 |
| kanzure | but right now also works | 10:53 |
| hundred-ideas | ok | 10:53 |
| hundred-ideas | I am working on the diybio.org backend tonight and tomorrow, building an user account system. If it would be useful for me to have practical info on my approach and progress, then we should postpone till tomorrow. If we are mostly going to be high-level conceptual, let's do it now. | 10:55 |
| hundred-ideas | and should one say "building an user..." or "building a user..." | 10:56 |
| kanzure | uh, well, basically i was going to give you some ideas for how to use skdb packages for your "kits database" | 10:56 |
| kanzure | or offer to implement it for you | 10:56 |
| kanzure | this way people can just do development on an open source hardware project, throw it into a .git, push the git repository to you and you have their kit deets | 10:57 |
| hundred-ideas | great | 10:57 |
| hundred-ideas | let's do it. I'm macowell on skype | 10:58 |
| kanzure | my headphone jack is broken and i can't use just the microphone jack and not the speaker jack | 10:58 |
| hundred-ideas | cell phone then? | 10:58 |
| kanzure | yeah | 10:58 |
| kanzure | one sec | 10:58 |
| hundred-ideas | ok, call me, I'm 231 313 9062 | 10:58 |
| kanzure | nah, you're already in my address books | 10:59 |
| kanzure | hm you disconnected | 11:00 |
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| kanzure | hundred-ideas: email sent with deets | 11:54 |
| hundred-ideas | thanks. good chat. | 11:55 |
| hundred-ideas | minifluidic turbidistat arduino shield, baby | 11:55 |
| hundred-ideas | apply for an awesome foundation grant to make a sweet video, btw. | 11:56 |
| kanzure | i don't know why i have so many film-making friends | 11:57 |
| hundred-ideas | also, my 1-pager on microfluidic tinkering platforms for synthetic aesthetics | 11:58 |
| hundred-ideas | http://has100ideas.com/idea/synthetic-aesthetics-proposal | 11:58 |
| kanzure | where do i send an application to awesomefund.org | 11:58 |
| kanzure | their website is non-awesome | 11:59 |
| kanzure | oh | 12:00 |
| kanzure | http://awesomefoundation.org/ | 12:00 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: ok submitted. | 12:20 |
| kanzure | hm i didn't know david nunez was doing awesomefoundation | 12:20 |
| kanzure | clay shirky too eh? | 12:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: on 2010-04-10 i will have the funds in my paypal account for your wishlist | 12:26 |
| Utopiah | guys who are into wearable computing, do you have other links regarding (light) clothing (don't talk about having a Sun Server in your backpack please ;) like http://www.fashioningtech.com/ or http://www.media.mit.edu/wearables/ ? | 12:27 |
| kanzure | i wonder if a bank will o.k. a request to assign a credit card to an irc channel | 12:39 |
| kanzure | so, for the singularity studies 2010 course, what should the required reading be for the day before i lecture on downloadable hardware, open source hardware, etc.? | 12:57 |
| kanzure | maybe cory doctorow's "makers"? | 12:58 |
| kanzure | a chapter from christopher kelty's twobits.net book? | 12:58 |
| kanzure | hooray we have a syllbus going on | 13:01 |
| kanzure | http://crab.rutgers.edu/%7Egoertzel/SyllabusSingularityStudies.pdf | 13:01 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: i'll be lecturing one day on diy stuff. any ideas for "required reading"? | 13:01 |
| hundred-ideas | hey I just grabbed the syllabus | 13:02 |
| hundred-ideas | hmmm | 13:02 |
| hundred-ideas | have you read childhood's end by Vinge? | 13:02 |
| hundred-ideas | wait wait | 13:02 |
| hundred-ideas | Rainbow's End. | 13:02 |
| hundred-ideas | there are some neat, easy-to-read sections on diy epidemiology and biotech automation | 13:03 |
| kanzure | i haven't read rainbow's end yet. | 13:03 |
| kanzure | believe it or not, my grandmother sent me a copy of that book | 13:03 |
| kanzure | because she thought it was cool :P | 13:04 |
| hundred-ideas | *I* think it's cool | 13:13 |
| hundred-ideas | nerdgasmic | 13:13 |
| hundred-ideas | but it's also pretty cool. If you are into sci-fi. | 13:14 |
| hundred-ideas | what's the hardest of the hard scifi out there? | 13:14 |
| kanzure | greg egan? | 13:16 |
| kanzure | what with his "synthetic biology forests" | 13:16 |
| hundred-ideas | yeah, that's what I was thinking | 13:16 |
| kanzure | hm that's actually not a bad idea | 13:16 |
| hundred-ideas | redefining hard. | 13:16 |
| kanzure | i liked that short story a lot | 13:16 |
| hundred-ideas | I haven't read that one. | 13:16 |
| hundred-ideas | which one is it? | 13:17 |
| hundred-ideas | There's a lot of biotech in his novel Distress. | 13:17 |
| kanzure | it's from his short story book "luminous" | 13:18 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_%28story_collection%29 | 13:18 |
| kanzure | "# Chaff - An agent is sent to kill a geneticist who is working in a druglord controlled stronghold in the jungles of Colombia, and working on important brain altering research." | 13:19 |
| kanzure | quantumkat: do you have that in your collection? | 13:19 |
| kanzure | fenn: or you? | 13:19 |
| kanzure | i know you both have the same damn collection so, whatever. | 13:20 |
| quantumkat | Let me check. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | it will be in the book "luminous" | 13:20 |
| quantumkat | I have a pdf of Luminous. | 13:21 |
| kanzure | will you upload it to designfiles.org somewhere? :) | 13:21 |
| quantumkat | Sure thing. | 13:22 |
| kanzure | yay | 13:22 |
| quantumkat | It'll be just a sec | 13:23 |
| kanzure | cool | 13:28 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/luminous.pdf | 13:39 |
| kanzure | owned | 13:39 |
| fenn | if you dont have the pdf, you dont own it | 13:39 |
| kanzure | what? | 13:40 |
| kanzure | no, i mean, katbot was 0wned by you | 13:40 |
| kanzure | you and your linuxskillz | 13:40 |
| fenn | you know its on your LAN, i could just copy all 10GB or whatever to your machine | 13:41 |
| kanzure | but then who will i pester for scifi :( | 13:42 |
| fenn | Utopiah: i think you'd have to be crazy (like me) to not use an android phone as the CPU | 13:44 |
| Utopiah | fenn: heard about project using (for good reasons) FPGA on such project? or just Arduinos? | 13:45 |
| fenn | FPGA's are power hogs | 13:45 |
| Utopiah | ah | 13:45 |
| fenn | i wouldnt mind having a GNUradio frontend | 13:46 |
| fenn | i think that falls into the "Sun server in the backpack" category | 13:46 |
| * fenn blames the FPGA monopoly | 13:46 | |
| kanzure | wouldn't "sun server in the backpack" be stupid? | 13:48 |
| * kanzure thinks he might end up with 3 presentations for scipy2010 | 14:08 | |
| kanzure | i'm the "drone python programmer" that various projects are using | 14:08 |
| kanzure | since they can't be in austin themselves | 14:08 |
| kanzure | pythonocc, sympy, and datapkg/okfn/ckan | 14:09 |
| kanzure | my voice is going to hurt. | 14:09 |
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| kanzure | hm i wonder if requiring that a person can only hold a certain number of patents at a time (i.e. make it a game of risk management) would do anything interesting | 14:27 |
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| Utopiah | makes me wonder, did anybody make an adaptation of Monopoly for patents (IP) instead of real estate? | 14:28 |
| fenn | intellectual property taxes is the only thing that even vaguely makes sense | 14:37 |
| fenn | use it or lose it | 14:37 |
| fenn | so i'm away from the dojo for a week and when i come back everything's pink and there's shelves and drawers and a dead robot | 14:38 |
| fenn | except this time it's not a photoshop trick | 14:38 |
| Dustbin | hmm wonder if les would freak out if we painted the shop pink | 14:41 |
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| fenn | how come multimeters dont have usb ports to charge their batteries | 15:48 |
| fenn | and log data | 15:48 |
| fenn | wah | 15:48 |
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| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/reprap_thermal1.jpg http://fennetic.net/irc/reprap_thermal2.jpg | 17:19 |
| fenn | that was from a few days ago.. i'll see if i can get a video of printing next time i'm there | 17:19 |
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| JayDugger | Second cup of coffee consumed, and I now can type. | 18:31 |
| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:31 |
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| kanzure | emotiv epoc eeg headset + iphone? | 19:59 |
| JayDugger | To what end? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | i don't know. but it's being hyped :( | 20:00 |
| JayDugger | I'd rather have a bluetooth neurophone, assuming neurophones actually work. | 20:00 |
| kanzure | bingo :) | 20:00 |
| thesnark | kanzure it's looking like I may get the job I wanted this summer. Do you still have a room available? | 20:06 |
| kanzure | what does summer mean, again? | 20:06 |
| thesnark | May-August | 20:06 |
| kanzure | hum | 20:08 |
| kanzure | well, technically yes | 20:08 |
| kanzure | your main competitor is jason wohlfahrt. getting you to austin would be pretty cool | 20:08 |
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| * katsmeow missed JAMA changing it's name to jama.ama-assn.org ,,, sounds like some basketball org | 21:26 | |
| Dustbin | in response to stuff an hour and a half ago | 21:27 |
| Dustbin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocal_recognition | 21:27 |
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| fenn | huh. the subvocal guys are in mountain view? i should go pay them a visit | 22:11 |
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