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| QuantumG | Evidence for an anomalous like-sign dimuon charge asymmetry | 00:13 |
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| QuantumG | wow, finally | 00:13 |
| QuantumG | This result differs by 3.2 standard deviations from the standard model prediction and provides first evidence of anomalous CP-violation in the mixing of neutral B mesons. | 00:14 |
| QuantumG | The violation of CP symmetry is a necessary condition for baryogenesis, the process thought to be responsible for the matter-antimatter asymmetry of the universe. | 00:15 |
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| QuantumG | My goldfish is more intelligent than any AI ever built. Cognitive science still really is in the dark ages. | 03:51 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:28 |
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| kanzure | weird pickup of the videos | 07:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.unixweblog.com/2010/05/skdb-download-material-on-the-web-hplus-summit-2009-part-1-3/ | 07:37 |
| kanzure | also with two comments | 07:38 |
| kanzure | http://getzazu.com/ an app that gives you weather information when you wake up | 07:47 |
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| --- Log opened Tue May 18 08:52:09 2010 | ||
| heath | thanks fenn|kanzure | 08:52 |
| kanzure | make install -not war | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | make install maginot-line | 09:06 |
| kanzure | huh? | 09:06 |
| JayDugger | The Maginot Line? | 09:06 |
| JayDugger | It always sounded to me like a package name. | 09:07 |
| JayDugger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line | 09:07 |
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| kanzure | should i go watch cory doctorow speak in austin on thursday? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | at effaustin.org's "whuffiefest" | 10:47 |
| strages | yes | 10:51 |
| fenn | dont forget to don your telepresence rig | 10:52 |
| kanzure | by "your telepresence rig" you really mean "fenn's telepresence rig" right? | 10:53 |
| kanzure | because iirc you were the one working on that :/ | 10:53 |
| fenn | yep | 11:00 |
| strages | while we're on the topic........do you guys think I can get one of those low profile laptop screen cameras to output to composite video and into a small dvr? | 11:01 |
| strages | I have a plan for recording my day every day | 11:02 |
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| fenn | kanzure: so there are two laser cutters soon to be in AHS? | 12:16 |
| fenn | strages laptops use digital cameras, usually they don't have analog out, but i've seen some digital cameras with analog output... | 12:17 |
| fenn | i dont really know what a "DVR" is though | 12:19 |
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| fenn | if all you're doing is recording video, you can just get webcam glasses or spy pens | 12:22 |
| fenn | google "spy glasses" | 12:22 |
| fenn | wow what a cheesy video: http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/mini-surveillance-camera.html | 12:28 |
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| thesnark | Language has been and will be an issue for a while. Everybody really knows that an exact name for the device sitting in their homes recording television to a hard drive could be something way more descriptive, but there is(seriously, not being condenscending here) a level of difficulty for a majority of the population to really understand the difference between "DVR" and something more specific. | 12:29 |
| thesnark | Education in general is probably one of the most important issues our species needs to address. Am I right? | 12:30 |
| fenn | no | 12:31 |
| thesnark | What's your solution? | 12:32 |
| fenn | fix the stupid people | 12:32 |
| fenn | lol | 12:32 |
| thesnark | Hm, I think that's called education. | 12:32 |
| fenn | that makes me sound like a mad veterinarian | 12:32 |
| fenn | i mean augment the baseline humans until they're no longer stupid | 12:33 |
| * fenn points at the channel name | 12:33 | |
| klafka | fenn, infect the stupid people with nanobots turning them into your zombie horde | 12:33 |
| fenn | if i have nanobots why do i need a zombie horde? entertainment? | 12:33 |
| klafka | so you could have your own version of lost | 12:34 |
| klafka | black smoke vs. the castaways! who will win?! | 12:34 |
| fenn | ooh my own personal floating island | 12:34 |
| fenn | with snakes! on a plane! | 12:34 |
| fenn | ok time to do some workly things | 12:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: involuntary human augmentation? you and quantumg, damn | 13:21 |
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| QuantumG | heh, I can see how my comments the other day could be interpreted that way | 14:26 |
| QuantumG | but I'm not actually for involuntary anything. | 14:27 |
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| kanzure | waldorf? or future debian developer training camp? http://www.austinondemand.com/assets/listings/78702/er0/awslogoK.JPG | 14:44 |
| kanzure | compare to: http://osonusb.com/catalog/images/debian_splash.png | 14:45 |
| * thesnark lols | 14:45 | |
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| Lepton | kanzure: Did you have success in working with Solidworks through python (with win32com)? | 15:09 |
| kanzure | no, but i got past bugs and errors | 15:10 |
| kanzure | basically i got to the point where i had to begin guessing api parameters | 15:11 |
| kanzure | i had python running under wine, and then i used ctypes to import solidworks dll files | 15:11 |
| kanzure | i was on linux though | 15:11 |
| kanzure | the experience might have been better with the native win32com modules | 15:11 |
| Lepton | Yeah. BTW solidworks 2009 apparently runs in wine alright | 15:12 |
| kanzure | which version of wine? | 15:12 |
| Lepton | Also, I became a certified solidworks professional today :p | 15:12 |
| kanzure | great! now reveal to me the secrets of the file format. there's this damn poly_list that i can't figure out | 15:12 |
| Lepton | I'm not sure, I just happened upon it via google today | 15:12 |
| Lepton | Unfortuatly I have no special relationship with solidworks other than having passed their tests (which you normally pay for but we got for free) | 15:13 |
| Lepton | I want to be able to interface with active solidworks parameters to cycle through parameter sets | 15:14 |
| kanzure | me too | 15:14 |
| kanzure | let me see if i can't find the links | 15:14 |
| Lepton | I can get their api | 15:14 |
| Lepton | Its actually sitting on a local friends office desk | 15:15 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/16fd8ebe6c677f2c/dda8005d614da39c?lnk=gst&q=solidworks+python#dda8005d614da39c | 15:16 |
| kanzure | hm.. that's not the email i wanted, but it should be useful | 15:16 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/solidworks.py | 15:16 |
| kanzure | aha | 15:16 |
| kanzure | also, good luck figuring out what half of that means. | 15:17 |
| kanzure | i used to do windows development .. about half a decade ago | 15:17 |
| kanzure | i can't stomach most of it these days :) | 15:17 |
| kanzure | a quick solution btw is to use vbscript, which can use the native com32 interface to solidworks | 15:17 |
| Lepton | ^ ha, that openmanufacturing link is what got me on irc today in the first place :) | 15:18 |
| Lepton | same here, hence pythonocc and me getting into openmanufacturing | 15:18 |
| kanzure | oh how kind of me, i did a win32com example in that email, cool | 15:19 |
| Lepton | Yeap, I'd want to use some vb/python wrapper, I'm thinking | 15:19 |
| kanzure | take notes! | 15:19 |
| kanzure | i'd also appreciate the api documentation. i downloaded some stuff from solidworks.com once upon a time, | 15:20 |
| kanzure | but it was mostly example code | 15:20 |
| kanzure | here's a 4.9MB analysis of the solidworks dll files and their functions: http://designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/solidworks_source_structure.txt | 15:21 |
| kanzure | some of the classes and methods that solidworks is implemented on top of | 15:21 |
| kanzure | are the same as in opencascade | 15:21 |
| Lepton | It's a funny back and forth between wanting to devlop in all open frameworks like OCC, versus here and now good closed programs | 15:22 |
| kanzure | i've been tempted to just rewrite occ on a number of occassions | 15:23 |
| Lepton | Why's that? | 15:23 |
| kanzure | have you looked at its source? | 15:23 |
| kanzure | bugs everywhere, bad documentation, no unit testing | 15:23 |
| kanzure | and weird C++ hacks for type frameworks | 15:24 |
| Lepton | What about developing an all python alternative? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | might be slow, but yes i'd like that | 15:24 |
| kanzure | i posted once or twice to open manufacturing on doing a python csg library for realz (not cgal) | 15:25 |
| kanzure | but csg isn't enough | 15:25 |
| kanzure | hm | 15:25 |
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| Lepton | To an extent I prefer ease of working with a framework to performace speed | 15:28 |
| Lepton | Its easier to throw more cycles at a problem than insightful, motivated people | 15:28 |
| kanzure | are you sure? i have insight spewing out the ass | 15:29 |
| kanzure | ok not really | 15:29 |
| Lepton | But you're limited to 24 hours of existance in a day | 15:31 |
| Lepton | so unless we can fork, we need to be as efficient in accomplishing tasks as possible | 15:31 |
| Lepton | and that is a big reason why I like python :) | 15:32 |
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| kanzure | http://unreasonablerocket.blogspot.com/2010/05/trying-3d-print-thing-again.html | 15:48 |
| kanzure | so are they goosquirting an engine ? | 15:49 |
| fenn | "3d printing" means a million different things | 15:50 |
| fenn | unfortunately it's the only thing people understand when they walk in and ask "what's that thing you're working on?" | 15:51 |
| QuantumG | yeah, I have no idea what he's talking about.. and I know the guy | 15:57 |
| Lepton | Looks like its laser sinthered metal? | 16:00 |
| Lepton | yeap, laser sinthered stainless steel | 16:01 |
| QuantumG | he did say his first attempt failed because the holes were all filled with sintered metal | 16:01 |
| Lepton | There's a company near me that does that | 16:01 |
| QuantumG | what's the cost like? | 16:02 |
| Lepton | I'm not sure, depends on machine time, I know that much | 16:02 |
| Lepton | I know them make bone replacement parts | 16:03 |
| Lepton | Since they can build to scans on a patient's body | 16:03 |
| QuantumG | interesting application | 16:03 |
| Lepton | Yeah, I'd love to get into CNC metal growing | 16:04 |
| QuantumG | anyone done a DIY unit? | 16:04 |
| Lepton | Not that I know of | 16:11 |
| Lepton | Probably, though | 16:11 |
| kanzure | http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/politics/israel%E2%80%99s-value-transhumanism | 16:15 |
| QuantumG | ya think it's selective laser sintering? or direct metal laser sintering? | 16:15 |
| kanzure | pfft, praise from aubrey | 16:15 |
| fenn | er, what's the difference? | 16:18 |
| QuantumG | I guess there isn't :) | 16:20 |
| fenn | apparently the difference is whether you say it with a german accent | 16:21 |
| QuantumG | ya | 16:22 |
| fenn | ja | 16:23 |
| fenn | hrmph. it's pretty lame to contact someone out of the blue saying you're interested in hiring them, then send a form letter rejection | 16:52 |
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| QuantumG | http://singularityhub.com/2010/05/18/tony-robbins-sergey-brin-become-robots-the-telepresence-revolution/ | 17:17 |
| klafka | lol | 17:22 |
| klafka | that's pretty sweet | 17:23 |
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| kanzure | hey hundred-ideas | 17:30 |
| hundred-ideas | hey there | 17:35 |
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| tim | hi everyone | 17:36 |
| tim | kanzure: you around? | 17:37 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:17 |
| thesnark | hi JayDugger | 18:34 |
| tim__ | kanzure: around now? | 18:37 |
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| tim__ | welp... anyone hanging out here looking for an interesting project? | 19:02 |
| thesnark | possibly | 19:02 |
| * thesnark is always looking, even if he's really busy | 19:02 | |
| tim__ | are you familiar with openscad? | 19:02 |
| thesnark | No | 19:02 |
| tim__ | http://openscad.org/ | 19:02 |
| thesnark | becoming familiar... | 19:03 |
| tim__ | it's revolutionizing the RepRap project | 19:03 |
| tim__ | allowing us to treat our 3D models like software | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | "Revolutionizing?" Have you specifics? | 19:03 |
| tim__ | yeah | 19:03 |
| thesnark | JayDugger just for the sake of argument continue with your pitch | 19:04 |
| tim__ | Previously, all the 3D modeling was done in Solidworks or similar CAD package, which besides being expensive, and non-free, is very challenging to collaborate with | 19:04 |
| * thesnark is still listening | 19:04 | |
| tim__ | can't diff or patch files | 19:04 |
| JayDugger | And no version control, I guess? | 19:06 |
| tim__ | thesnark: one of the features the RepRap project could really use (I'm saying this as maintainer of the OpenSCAD re-work of all our CAD files) is the ability to pass an OpenSCAD module to a function in OpenSCAD which returned a bounding box around that module. | 19:06 |
| tim__ | JayDugger: right | 19:06 |
| JayDugger | That's a common problem. :) | 19:06 |
| tim__ | JayDugger: so OpenSCAD allows for easy collaboration, version control, etc. | 19:06 |
| JayDugger | Does it help with bug tracking? | 19:06 |
| thesnark | tim__ assume I'm a seasoned, "professional" programmer | 19:07 |
| thesnark | time estimate? | 19:07 |
| tim__ | JayDugger, also, it allows for config files for the 3D models, that allow any number of options to be selected (like what width threaded rod is easily available) before rendering, allowing easy customization of the entire machine | 19:07 |
| JayDugger | Got it. Please continue with thesnark's questions. I haven't the programming skills to help, just interest. | 19:08 |
| tim__ | thesnark: No idea. I'm not familiar with OpenSCAD's codebase... but even if you were willing to glance at the sourcecode and give me an estimate of how long it would take a seasoned programmer, that would be helpful. | 19:08 |
| tim__ | thesnark: I talked to the author, Clifford Wolf, and this is what he said: "something like that is on the todo list for over half a year now. (a | 19:10 |
| tim__ | generic interface to pass 3d/2d objects to functions and let return | 19:10 |
| tim__ | functions 3d/2d objects - what you have described would be one of many | 19:10 |
| tim__ | possible applications of something like that) | 19:10 |
| tim__ | however - this would require some modifications in the OpenSCAD core and | 19:10 |
| tim__ | unfortunately I don't have much time for improving OpenSCAD atm. Something | 19:10 |
| tim__ | like this will be implemented for sure at some point at the future. but | 19:10 |
| tim__ | don't hold your breath until then.. ;-)" | 19:10 |
| tim__ | bleh | 19:10 |
| tim__ | http://pastebin.com/SdmkidHb | 19:11 |
| thesnark | -__- I am not seeing code documentation in any form other than comments | 19:11 |
| tim__ | :( | 19:12 |
| thesnark | taking into account the hypothetical volunteer is working on free time | 19:12 |
| thesnark | I would honestly say that if they knew nothing of the project | 19:12 |
| thesnark | and just wanted to draw a line outside of the module | 19:13 |
| thesnark | hm anywhere from 4 - 5 days to a week and a half to get it production-quality | 19:13 |
| thesnark | again, assuming they are doing it on spare time | 19:13 |
| tim__ | right | 19:13 |
| tim__ | good to know | 19:14 |
| tim__ | I ask here because I suspect, based on how useful OpenSCAD has been to the RepRap project, that it could really shine if hooked into SKDB. | 19:14 |
| thesnark | kanzure has capital, maybe he'll be interested if you can put together a coherent argument for paying somebody to code according to a spec you make | 19:15 |
| tim__ | right | 19:15 |
| tim__ | will talk to him as soon as I can find him here, or on google talk | 19:16 |
| thesnark | he seems to be more afk now, I'm thinking this is actually a good sign for gnusha in general | 19:16 |
| tim__ | he's not a terrible programmer either (as opposed to myself), so might be able to help with the spec. | 19:16 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:50 |
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| heath | what's the decent youtube like website for videos from microscopes, er... | 21:25 |
| * heath thinks it isn't scivee or dnatube... | 21:27 | |
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| Utopiah | heath: http://www.springerprotocols.com/cdp/access/showVideos | 23:46 |
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