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| fenn | noisebridge to the rescue | 01:49 |
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| fenn | i made a charger | 01:50 |
| JayDugger | Eh? | 01:50 |
| fenn | nothing blew up | 01:50 |
| JayDugger | Do you smell smoke? | 01:50 |
| fenn | i smell a fully charged battery | 01:50 |
| fenn | a 95% charged battery | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | Well done, fenn. | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | I reduce my compliment by one part in twenty. :) | 01:51 |
| fenn | and i snagged some stepper drivers to keep me occupied tomorrow | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | How goes the reprap? | 01:51 |
| fenn | herky jerkily | 01:51 |
| fenn | i have some video, should probably upload it with these fat pipes | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | Yeah...that might help convince my gf the value of household 3d printer. | 01:52 |
| JayDugger | The Frostruder attachment totally failed to impress her. | 01:52 |
| fenn | ahh nice and quick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcE_GZsrQoI | 01:57 |
| JayDugger | Which axis is that stuck upper stage? | 01:59 |
| JayDugger | Kiteboarding? Neat! | 01:59 |
| fenn | x | 02:01 |
| fenn | something to do with the tension changes because the belt is mounted on one side | 02:01 |
| fenn | the pulley only has like 4 teeth engaged and they're sorta rounded (made before i learned about the stretch plugin) | 02:02 |
| fenn | i need to make some more pulleys | 02:02 |
| JayDugger | Ah. | 02:02 |
| JayDugger | Do you own that thermal imager? | 02:02 |
| fenn | no | 02:02 |
| fenn | it's michael kan's and he's rather protective of it | 02:02 |
| JayDugger | I'll bet. They probably cost. | 02:03 |
| fenn | about $3500 | 02:03 |
| JayDugger | Did you try your hand at kite flying? | 02:04 |
| fenn | yeah that's what i did all day on whatever day that was recorded | 02:04 |
| JayDugger | Had you flown multi-lines kits before last month? | 02:05 |
| fenn | nope | 02:06 |
| fenn | supposedly that's a good thing as i wouldnt have developed bad habits | 02:07 |
| fenn | i see i've got a bit of a video backlog | 02:07 |
| JayDugger | I believe it. I haven't flown a kite in over a decade, myself. | 02:08 |
| JayDugger | That's alright. Miro archives it for me. | 02:08 |
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| fenn | guh. well i got a few done | 02:50 |
| fenn | not sure why videos take so damn long to deal with | 02:50 |
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| JayDugger | Wasn't the Automated Design Lab in Austin involved with grammars for design? | 04:19 |
| JayDugger | "booggie brings object-oriented graph grammars into engineering - Based on the application of object-oriented graph grammars, engineering knowledge is formalized and becomes computable in order to solve design tasks." | 04:22 |
| JayDugger | https://sourceforge.net/projects/booggie/ | 04:23 |
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| kanzure | http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maharbiz/Sato_2009_WirelessFlightControl.pdf Radio-controlled cyborg beetles: a radio-frequency system for insect neural flight control | 10:05 |
| kanzure | http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maharbiz/ | 10:06 |
| kanzure | nice diagram on their page | 10:08 |
| kanzure | J. Marshall, "The Fly Who Bugged Me: Labs around the World Are Hatching a New Breed of Cyborg Animal Spies", New Scientist, March, pp. 41-43, 2008. | 10:08 |
| kanzure | MEMS conference: http://ieeemems.org/ | 10:09 |
| klafka | lol | 10:09 |
| kanzure | hm it was in hong kong earlier this year | 10:09 |
| kanzure | Hirotaka Sato and Daniel Cohen, Michel M. Maharbiz, "Building interfaces to developing cells and organisms: from cyborg beetles to synthetic biology," in Integrated Microsystems: Mechanical, Photonic and Biological Interfaces, CRC Press, 2010. | 10:09 |
| kanzure | these look like generally ineresting papers: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maharbiz/publications.html | 10:10 |
| lepton | Have you guys seen this (via slashdot) today: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/05/22/1424208/The-Economist-Calls-For-Open-Source-Biology | 10:16 |
| Utopiah | http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=16163154 | 10:18 |
| kanzure | "Maybe we will ask ourselves, one day, why we didn't make a backup of nature." | 10:28 |
| Utopiah | there is a futurama episode on that | 10:30 |
| kanzure | "so the best way to oppose the villains is to have lots of heroes on your side" eh | 10:31 |
| kanzure | i thought the article would be worse, actually | 10:31 |
| Utopiah | (with a giant Manta birostris or sth) | 10:31 |
| kanzure | but it turned into something that kind of speaks for the proactionary principle | 10:31 |
| kanzure | lots of comments: http://www.economist.com/node/16163154/comments | 10:32 |
| lepton | I'm greatly in favor of "making a backup of nature" | 10:36 |
| lepton | particularly through spreading terrestrial-originated life to other bodies in space | 10:36 |
| kanzure | a while ago i was trying to hit that into the diybio peeps' heads | 10:39 |
| kanzure | in particular, i was making an argument from reliability theory | 10:39 |
| kanzure | i.e. how do you make sure a system doesn't fail? | 10:39 |
| lepton | redundancy! | 10:39 |
| lepton | / diversity | 10:40 |
| kanzure | yep | 10:40 |
| kanzure | those are two points | 10:40 |
| kanzure | there are two more, however | 10:40 |
| lepton | oh? | 10:40 |
| kanzure | redundancy, diversity, removal of bottlenecks, and uh | 10:40 |
| kanzure | one sec | 10:40 |
| kanzure | aha | 10:42 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_point_of_failure | 10:43 |
| kanzure | redundancy, diversity, transparency, reduced complexity (and presumably bottleneck removal) | 10:43 |
| kanzure | i consider the global atmosphere to be a SPOF | 10:43 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/4198301c89f70331 | 10:44 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/806a061ed6a0fa3a | 10:45 |
| kanzure | "so why shock people and claim that we're the ones breaking something that is broken by design? Instead we should be building something better." | 10:46 |
| kanzure | at the time, diybio was still a topic that people wanted to "debate" | 10:49 |
| kanzure | and bringing stuff like space habitats into the conversation was a bit too much | 10:49 |
| lepton | It's unfortunate how often discussing space is too much for people | 10:56 |
| lepton | I imagine that wasn't so much the case in my father's generation | 10:56 |
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| lepton | Back in the 50's / 60's there was so much enthusiasm about space, in a sort of manifest destiny way | 10:56 |
| lepton | now there's a lot of "humans are a cancer and expanding is bad" | 10:56 |
| lepton | But I've already complained about that in here this week | 10:57 |
| lepton | so I should give it a rest ;P | 10:57 |
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| lepton | Interseting discussing on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/c6wum/knowledge_manager_lets_create_a_free_synaptic/ | 10:57 |
| kanzure | url fails.. what's the actual title? | 10:57 |
| lepton | oh yeah, I suppose it would | 10:58 |
| kanzure | ? | 10:58 |
| lepton | http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/c6wum/knowledge_manager_lets_create_a_free_synaptic/# | 10:58 |
| kanzure | no i mean uh | 10:58 |
| kanzure | i meant to ask you to describe the link | 10:58 |
| kanzure | because the "knowledge manager lets create a free synaptic" doesn't quite make sense to me | 10:58 |
| lepton | "A clone of the Software Center and its sources, but it is solely for containing repositories that do just one thing; provide tools for learning about subjects, and the subject in question. | 10:59 |
| lepton | " | 10:59 |
| kanzure | have you heard of ckan? | 10:59 |
| lepton | I don't think so | 10:59 |
| kanzure | it's basically CPAN except for data sets and knowledge | 11:00 |
| kanzure | skdb stands for "societal engineering-knowledge database" (ugh) | 11:01 |
| lepton | Cool, I just added a link to ckan in the reddit thread | 11:02 |
| kanzure | might as well addd a link to http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb while you're at it :) | 11:02 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/ed848cea16482bfe | 11:04 |
| kanzure | there's my response to the article. in particular there's some content on reliability theory at the bottom of the email | 11:05 |
| lepton | It is done | 11:05 |
| lepton | (link to skdb added) | 11:05 |
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| Utopiah | lepton: if you are into such things I gathered few datasets at http://wiki.seedea.org/Seedea/DATAmatrix | 11:06 |
| lepton | awesome! | 11:07 |
| lepton | Oh boy, this makes me wish I had more time | 11:07 |
| Utopiah | try the local time machine at your hackerpace | 11:08 |
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| lepton | this entire week got eaten by silly commerical software games, and then next week is likely to be eaten by physical machining time | 11:08 |
| lepton | I just need to fork myself | 11:08 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: afaik The Economist isn't really into waiting and bureaucratic heavy administrative actions, except if it can help liberalism | 11:09 |
| Utopiah | btw I really dont think it's a good idea to play with the "god" vocabulary | 11:11 |
| kanzure | hm? did i do that | 11:11 |
| Utopiah | quote from Extropy did I think | 11:12 |
| kanzure | crap. | 11:12 |
| Utopiah | wait, my bad was "In past cultures (and indeed still in some cultures to this day) we | 11:12 |
| Utopiah | prayed to the gods or elemental powers of the world to please not | 11:12 |
| Utopiah | reign plagues and death upon us" | 11:12 |
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| Utopiah | just that I think it's tricky and one can quickly fall into hijacked conversation about not what t'it's possible or positive but about moral phantasms or bias | 11:14 |
| kanzure | ah, sure | 11:14 |
| kanzure | yeah maybe i could have worded that better without the religious mention | 11:14 |
| kanzure | what i was going for was something like "from a cultural perspective, we have spent time trying to make sense of why things are, instead of how we can improve them" | 11:14 |
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| kanzure | well this is interesting | 11:16 |
| kanzure | hm | 11:16 |
| kanzure | so, i've been on adderall xr for about a decade now | 11:17 |
| Utopiah | (also the article, again, like most others, talk about Venter DNA scanning but total omit the international effort that was done in parallel :/ ) | 11:17 |
| kanzure | recently, shire pharmaceuticals failed to evergreen the patent and someone else acquired the rights to the name as well through a variety of mergers and acquisitions | 11:17 |
| kanzure | barr now manufactures the "generic" adderall xr, which is what i've been on for the past >6mo but less than 1 year i guess | 11:17 |
| kanzure | and it's not the same at all | 11:17 |
| kanzure | in fact, the FDA hasn't even given the barr generic adderall xr an AB rating | 11:18 |
| kanzure | so it's not even "therapeutically equivalent" | 11:18 |
| kanzure | i have a bottle of shire adderall xr that i sometimes take pills from, instead of the barr bottle | 11:19 |
| kanzure | big difference. i thought i was just making it up :/ | 11:19 |
| kanzure | while we're still pasting links about venter's news blitz, | 11:40 |
| kanzure | http://singularityhub.com/2010/05/20/venter-creates-first-synthetic-self-replicating-bacteria-from-scratch/ | 11:40 |
| klafka | ugh | 11:40 |
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| kanzure | http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1190719v1 Creation of a Bacterial Cell Controlled by a Chemically Synthesized Genome | 11:41 |
| kanzure | klafka: that's how i feel too | 11:41 |
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| lepton | interesting | 11:45 |
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| kanzure | http://biomedicalcomputationreview.org/index.html is offering a free subscription | 12:22 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did you ever get pitch shifting to work with mplayer? | 15:07 |
| kanzure | i'm trying ladspa but i get this nasty echo | 15:07 |
| kanzure | mplayer -speed 0.75 -af ladspa=/usr/lib/ladspa/tap_pitch.so:tap_pitch:0:33:-90:0 input.mp3 | 15:07 |
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| kanzure | "For example - yesterday Mike and I got into the idea of the ultimate concierge service. You open the app in your iPhone and say "bring me a Pepsi." And you'll have a Pepsi within 30 minutes one way or another..." | 16:15 |
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| lepton | Open Source scanning-tunneling microscope on hackaday: http://hackaday.com/2010/05/22/open-source-stm/ | 16:36 |
| lepton | I <3 open source projects that have quantum effects as a central premise of their opertion | 16:37 |
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| kanzure | http://www.practicalethicsnews.com/practicalethics/2010/05/today-we-lost-the-drug-war.html anders sandberg | 17:08 |
| kanzure | lepton: did you see the diy afm and stm projects from way-back-when? | 17:09 |
| kanzure | that last link was anders sandberg discussing synthetic biology and druglords | 17:09 |
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| lepton | kanzure: ^nope, I don't think I did | 17:13 |
| kanzure | hm | 17:13 |
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| lepton | Interesting article you linked to, though | 17:15 |
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| QuantumG | http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/07/darpas-handheld-nuclear-fusion-reactor/ | 17:40 |
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| lepton | Inertial fusion is another very interesting area of Darpa research | 18:32 |
| lepton | particularly the work of Bussard labs | 18:32 |
| lepton | Here's a google talk on it from 2007 (there was a brief window when Darpa dropped funding for Bussard's labs, and he went around talking about what they'd been up to but were unable to disclose. They brought the research back under Darpa shortly thereafter, and it's all classified again) | 18:34 |
| lepton | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518007279479871760 | 18:34 |
| QuantumG | yeah, watched it. There's been an episode of The Space Show since then, had some more up-to-date news | 18:35 |
| lepton | Oh really? How recently? | 18:35 |
| QuantumG | Dec 2009 I believe | 18:35 |
| QuantumG | http://thespaceshow.com/detail.asp?q=1279 | 18:36 |
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| wilywonka | the comments on venters media blitz are so funny | 18:54 |
| wilywonka | lots of comparing it to speeding up evolution then usually the topic gets way off track as almost everyone tends to think about evolution almost as if its a guiding creationist hand | 18:55 |
| QuantumG | its funny.. Venter's work is plodding and deliberate. If you've heard him talk about it once, and have a basic knowledge of genomics, it's pretty obvious what he's trying to do.. yet everyone seems to be either dazzled by the bullshit they say to attract venture capital or off in their own world predicting the end of civilization or evolution. | 19:15 |
| klafka | yep | 19:30 |
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| kristianpaul | http://wikispooks.com/wiki/WikiSpooks:About | 20:04 |
| wilywonka | don't see anything about x doctrine or george kennan | 20:07 |
| wilywonka | obviously not complete | 20:07 |
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