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| JayDugger | You've my attention: what could possibly improve them? Batter-fried and dipped in powdered sugar? | 00:00 |
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| fenn | you want to cut them in half, drench in salt/pepper/olive oil, then broil face-down on a cookie sheet | 00:00 |
| JayDugger | Hmm... | 00:00 |
| fenn | romano cheese on top is good too | 00:00 |
| fenn | who the fuck thinks boiling vegetables is a good idea? really | 00:01 |
| JayDugger | Waste of good cheese, I suspect, but I will put them on probation based on your recommendation. | 00:01 |
| fenn | broccoli-like vegetables only get gross when overcooked | 00:02 |
| JayDugger | Yup. Good raw, though. | 00:02 |
| JayDugger | Have you uploaded more video in the last few days, fenn? | 00:02 |
| fenn | no | 00:03 |
| * fenn looks over his logs | 00:03 | |
| genehacker | gadolinium energy cell | 00:03 |
| genehacker | gadolinium energy cell? | 00:03 |
| genehacker | never heard of that one | 00:04 |
| JayDugger | hang on...I've probably misspelled it. | 00:04 |
| genehacker | as in gadolinium curie effect heat engine? | 00:04 |
| genehacker | oh freitas | 00:04 |
| JayDugger | http://www.nanomedicine.com/NMI/6.3.7.1.htm | 00:05 |
| fenn | i'd settle for a methanol powered laptop at this point | 00:07 |
| genehacker | nuclear powered nanobots sounds like a bad idea | 00:07 |
| JayDugger | Sissy. | 00:07 |
| genehacker | the radiation might degrade their mechanisms pretty fast | 00:08 |
| JayDugger | That might happen. | 00:08 |
| Utopiah | (Strategy Markup Language (StratML) http://xml.gov/stratml/ XML vocabulary and schema for strategic plans.) | 00:08 |
| genehacker | you should go with ethanol powered fenn, as ethanol can be purchased at local stores | 00:08 |
| JayDugger | I'll worry about that problem when testable hardware exists. No sense arguing about the economics of paper airplanes. | 00:08 |
| JayDugger | Utopiah--how on earth did you find that link? | 00:09 |
| JayDugger | I had no idea such a thing existed. | 00:09 |
| Utopiah | glad I shared it then | 00:09 |
| genehacker | whoa | 00:09 |
| JayDugger | Oh, yes. Thank you. | 00:09 |
| genehacker | that's neat | 00:09 |
| genehacker | a programming language for foreign relations? | 00:10 |
| genehacker | err government? | 00:10 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-ethanol_fuel_cell | 00:11 |
| genehacker | vodka powered laptop! | 00:11 |
| genehacker | oh wait max power of 1.5 watts | 00:11 |
| Utopiah | (added it to http://fabien.benetou.fr/ReadingNotes/ProgrammingForPeace ) | 00:11 |
| JayDugger | I'd rather have a method to exactly describe strategies and tactics. | 00:12 |
| JayDugger | That seems useful, ultimately, for wargames. | 00:12 |
| genehacker | can one use it to automate military strategy and make skynet? | 00:14 |
| flamt_ | who is this | 00:14 |
| genehacker | I think I don't understand strategic markup language... | 00:16 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: saw any research based on StarCraft, Warcraft, Chess, Go, ... recorded games? | 00:16 |
| genehacker | time to sleep | 00:16 |
| fenn | genehacker: all ethanol has a zillion percent tax or methanol added to it anyway | 00:16 |
| JayDugger | I once saw a paper or lecture out of MIT that discussed Civilization. It had more to say about players, its consuming appeal, and its storyline. | 00:16 |
| fenn | methanol is a decomposition product of wood or grass or whatever | 00:17 |
| fenn | don't even have to ferment anything | 00:17 |
| JayDugger | I haven't searched, though. | 00:17 |
| fenn | but i'd hope it would accept either form of fuel | 00:17 |
| genehacker | ethanol is ubiquitous in urban environs | 00:17 |
| fenn | also methanol has more hydrogen, which is what you're after (they just dump the carbon overboard i think) | 00:17 |
| genehacker | into the air? | 00:18 |
| fenn | yep | 00:18 |
| genehacker | well then that sounds like a good reason to go with methanol | 00:18 |
| fenn | i'm kinda surprised nobody's bioengineered a bug to take fat and turn it into hydrogen | 00:20 |
| fenn | or sugar | 00:20 |
| fenn | or whatever | 00:20 |
| fenn | not-sunlight | 00:20 |
| genehacker | they're doing that except with electricity | 00:20 |
| fenn | o rly | 00:20 |
| genehacker | yes | 00:20 |
| fenn | link | 00:21 |
| fenn | damn these are good brussel sprouts, i might have to start buying them | 00:21 |
| genehacker | http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/coal-oil-gas/fuel-from-synthetic-microbes | 00:22 |
| Utopiah | buying? you can rent brussel sprouts now? | 00:22 |
| * Utopiah is so 2000 | 00:22 | |
| fenn | Utopiah: i found them in the big blue donation box behind the store | 00:22 |
| genehacker | oops that was biofuel not hdyrogen | 00:22 |
| Utopiah | ah ok | 00:22 |
| genehacker | http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2007/11/hydrogen_bacteria | 00:23 |
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| fenn | they should be converting methane into gasoline.. the fools! | 00:24 |
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| fenn | i doubt you even need bacteria to do that | 00:26 |
| fenn | just thermal polymerization | 00:27 |
| fenn | it works for carbon nanotubes, why not gasoline | 00:27 |
| fenn | if i spent half as much time working on my projects as i do yammering in here i might actually get somewhere | 00:30 |
| flamt | that just isn't true | 00:30 |
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| fenn | genehacker: i thought you meant bug to take fat and turn it into electricity | 00:32 |
| fenn | that would have been cool | 00:32 |
| flamt | albeit redundant | 00:33 |
| JayDugger | Go get to work, fenn. | 00:33 |
| JayDugger | Try C-q, or the like. :) | 00:34 |
| genehacker | they do that fenn | 00:34 |
| genehacker | it can be done in the prescence of a catalyst | 00:35 |
| genehacker | efficiency is an issue though... | 00:35 |
| genehacker | electrically powered bacteria might be more efficient | 00:35 |
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| genehacker | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/05/japan-plans-22-billion-robotic-moon.html | 00:38 |
| JayDugger | yeah, sure... | 00:38 |
| JayDugger | I'll believe it when I see it. | 00:38 |
| JayDugger | Hope they do it, though. | 00:38 |
| genehacker | the japanese just deployed the world's first solar sail sucessfully on a probe headed to venus carrying pictures of an anime character on it | 00:39 |
| JayDugger | Yes, that is pretty cool. | 00:39 |
| genehacker | well not on the venus probe but with it | 00:40 |
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| fenn | genehacker: the point is to make electricity to power a laptop... sigh | 00:40 |
| genehacker | microturbine if we could get it to work... | 00:42 |
| genehacker | microturbines can be made out of materials that can withstand higher temperatures, so you can get more efficient thermal energy conversion | 00:43 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. Time to work. | 00:47 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/news-as-cyberpunk/british-researcher-becomes-infected-with-computer-virus/ | 01:04 |
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| fenn | i forget where this link came from (hopefully not here, if so i'm sorry) but aggressive flying robots are cool! http://youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM | 01:14 |
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| genehacker | saw that, that is the coolest thing ever | 01:19 |
| genehacker | combine with flash lidar and bam, no need for 24 camera motion capture system | 01:19 |
| Utopiah | http://micro.seas.harvard.edu/ is nice to but I dont think they are aiming for the same thing | 01:22 |
| Utopiah | (4 days old , just in cast http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/neuro/porting-digital-memory ) | 01:24 |
| Utopiah | fenn: is there actually a DB of the link we posted here so that we could query it before posting, just to avoid dupes | 01:25 |
| fenn | yes but i'm not sure it's that useful | 01:25 |
| Utopiah | guess I could just /alias /exec grep $mylink /path/to/daily/dl-ed/hplus.log | 01:26 |
| * fenn pokes the logbot | 01:26 | |
| fenn | genehacker can we squeeze flash lidar and processing system on a quadcopter yet? | 01:27 |
| * genehacker shrugs | 01:32 | |
| genehacker | I think they've done it with a packbot | 01:32 |
| genehacker | I wonder if people will develop anti-propellor glue spray shooters for taking down small UAVs if they ever become wide spread, just like the nanobot countermeasures in a diamond age | 01:34 |
| Utopiah | ( http://fabien.benetou.fr/ReadingNotes/DiamondAge?action=print ) | 01:41 |
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| Utopiah | I wonder if there studies on Binaural-Beat Audio Generator like Gnaural that looked for patterns in specific type of music, like classical or minimal, to see if they exhibit such pattern and this explain why, at least for some people, they experienced "flow" or just better focus thanks to this type of music | 02:18 |
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| fenn | there are no "binaural beats" in classical music | 02:33 |
| fenn | why would low frequency beats matter more than high frequency beats (harmony) anyway? | 02:34 |
| Utopiah | I guess my question is "Do people who sell software to make you focus tell you what music to listen to to avoid buying their software?" :-# | 02:38 |
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| fenn | but gnaural is free | 02:48 |
| Utopiah | (knew you were going to say that) | 02:48 |
| genehacker | there could be fenn | 02:49 |
| Utopiah | but they still want more user and there are also non free alternatives | 02:49 |
| fenn | lol "desire of reading SciFi <=> crack" | 02:50 |
| fenn | genehacker: no, binarual beats requires tones with <20hz spacing; classical music uses, er, musical notes, which have greater spacing | 02:51 |
| Utopiah | are you using gnaural? | 02:51 |
| fenn | no | 02:51 |
| fenn | what's it for? i mean why would i want to listen to binaural beats? | 02:51 |
| fenn | entrainment: what's it good for? absolutely nothin! | 02:52 |
| Utopiah | dunno, that's why I ask | 02:52 |
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| kanzure | fenn: looks like jim newton replied to your email on the bay-area-reprap list | 10:03 |
| kanzure | cool ray's response is awesome | 10:06 |
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| Utopiah | ( Neural Circuitry of Perception & Genetic and Hormonal Influences on Cognition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgCDVWz1lS4 by Michael Goard and Emily Jacobs) | 10:42 |
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| JayDugger | AFternoon, all. | 11:34 |
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| JayDugger | Best excuse ever for leaving a chat room: "another rocket attack gtg" | 12:43 |
| JayDugger | Yes, I just got that from a friend in Afghanistan. :) | 12:43 |
| JayDugger | $0.02 for the off-topic jar, and good night. | 12:46 |
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| TCrown | anyone around today? | 13:29 |
| thesnark | I'm here | 13:29 |
| TCrown | cool | 13:29 |
| thesnark | other than me, not sure | 13:29 |
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| TCrown | I'm just checking out who's around and with which space or projects | 13:30 |
| thesnark | I'm writing new firmware for a consumer EEG | 13:30 |
| thesnark | making an open api for getting data from it | 13:30 |
| thesnark | so people can make apps without paying | 13:30 |
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| TCrown | cool! | 13:48 |
| TCrown | have you looked at sigrok yet? | 13:48 |
| TCrown | it's a open framework for logic analyzers | 13:49 |
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| TCrown | supporting commericial and open source devices | 13:49 |
| lepton_ | Need to vent for a moment. I hate shopbot tools. Their software is scary awful (spindle speed controlled through the windows registry, anyone), and Ted knows it but hasn't done anything about it for 10 years | 13:51 |
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| lepton_ | F that noise | 13:51 |
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| Utopiah | (The Expanding Mind http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/the_expanding_mind/ by Pete Estep, May 17 2010) | 15:22 |
| klafka | so atm humans are dependent on oil for more than just energy, also for computers | 15:22 |
| klafka | it seems that if we reach some sort of global technology failure what we need are biotech-based computers | 15:23 |
| Utopiah | as long as your biotech-based computer don't eat my own food, why not | 15:24 |
| fenn | i wonder why i'm receivng mail sent to errant-knights@theoreticalwindmills.org | 15:24 |
| fenn | proof that SF is more fun? http://blog.robpitingolo.org/2010/05/where-smart-people-live.html | 15:26 |
| klafka | wow it seems weird to me that buffalo is so high up but rochester isn't even on the chart | 15:28 |
| klafka | makes me wtf | 15:28 |
| TCrown | you also have to accou ntfor density | 15:33 |
| fenn | yes but remember that density is part of the original hypothesis | 15:38 |
| kanzure | lepton_: ted hangs out from time to time on the om list.. i was hoping we could convince him to hire someone from om at some point to improve shopbot stuff | 15:45 |
| nsh | how do you search case-insensitively in less(1)? | 16:03 |
| lepton_ | kanzure: Yeah, I've seen Ted talk about how their software is... lacking (to be generous) | 16:04 |
| lepton_ | I've had a few conversations with him, but it doesn't seem like there's any real push towards something better | 16:04 |
| lepton_ | :< | 16:04 |
| lepton_ | It's sad, because it would be so easy to adapt EMC2 to replace the shopbot software, which would solve almost all the issues | 16:05 |
| lepton_ | Which is what I plan on doing next week | 16:06 |
| fenn | nsh: less -i foo.txt | 16:47 |
| nsh | hmm | 16:49 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: you site is down? | 16:53 |
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| nsh | then who was serv?!?!?!?1 | 16:57 |
| kristianpaul | there is other web site to check documentation about skdb? | 16:59 |
| kristianpaul | okay got iy | 17:00 |
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| kanzure | kristianpaul: it should be back up | 17:02 |
| kristianpaul | oh pythonocc website have lots inprovements since the last time i saw it | 17:02 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: ok | 17:03 |
| kristianpaul | there is a python-occ packages for debian squeeze? | 17:03 |
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| TCrown | what I'm wondering is why they are afraid of opensourcing it | 17:26 |
| TCrown | I mean, they can have a official supported version | 17:27 |
| TCrown | and then the community source version | 17:27 |
| TCrown | I mean the shopbot | 17:27 |
| TCrown | you have to buy | 17:27 |
| TCrown | but the software | 17:27 |
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| kanzure | ruby is deceptively easy on some deployment stuff.. http://cloudhead.io/toto | 17:42 |
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| kanzure | ordering from mesa is like ordering from dinosaurs | 18:19 |
| TCrown | got a direct link for the software? | 18:23 |
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| kanzure | TCrown: mesa hardware, not mesa gl | 18:27 |
| kanzure | i made the same mistake | 18:27 |
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| fenn | TCrown: ted hall said it's because he didnt want to have to support users who didnt pay for a shopbot | 21:15 |
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| fenn | i dont really care either way though, i mean it's not hard to convert a shopbot to emc if you want to | 21:15 |
| fenn | openSBP is a load of crap | 21:15 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 23:10 |
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