2010-06-14.log

--- Day changed Mon Jun 14 2010
ybitwhat are a few immediate and practical benefits of citizen science?00:00
ybitif anyone can list some out, that would be appreciated00:01
danx00rknowing shit00:16
danx00rkeeping the pros honest00:16
danx00rthe vanishingly small but non-zero probability of catching something the experts missed & changing the world forever00:17
danx00rgetting people to really understand the scientific method, and promoting scientific literacy (not rote memorization, but really internalizing the culture of rational analysis)00:18
danx00ralso, what if evil aliens come and phaser us back to the stone age?  Someone has to build up the resistance, and keep the fire of knowledge burning in secret00:19
danx00rmore likely doomsday scenario: some band of anti-intellectual idiots takes over the government, forces schools to teach creation bullshit, and shuts down all interesting research00:20
danx00rI see citizen science as sort of analogous to the idea that people have a right to own guns 'just in case'00:21
danx00rI don't want a bunch of elite power-brokers to be the only people capable of doing science00:21
danx00rbig science is increasingly politicized, and therefore suspect00:22
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ybitnice danx00r00:55
ybitso how are these applicable to everyday joe? or are there other immediate benefits joe and jan can obtain now through citizen science?00:56
ybitoutside of knowledge gain00:58
danx00rI think the world would greatly benefit if "Jane and Joe" and especially their kids are doing hands-on science, rather than just thinking of scientists as Jeff Goldblum types -- mad geniuses who work in labs00:58
ybitagree00:59
danx00rpart of this is about demistifying science00:59
ybityup00:59
danx00rbringing it down from a priesthood to the laity, as it were.  Like the Protestant revolution, maybe00:59
ybiti use that phrase on a regular basis "demistifying science"00:59
danx00rI'm old enough to remember chemistry sets01:00
danx00rtry bringing a 1965 HS chem set on a plane today01:00
ybit:)01:01
ybitor :( rather01:01
danx00rwe can't let all of science be regulated and boxed away in expert laboratories for 'safety' or national security etc01:01
danx00rthis may sound paranoid -- but think about it.  Isn't it likely that one day -- maybe 10 or 20 yrs from now - it would be 'suspicious' to be in posession of assemblers, disassemblers, and source code for the kernel of your operating system?01:02
danx00ryou sure can't do that with an iPhone01:02
danx00ror an iPad01:02
danx00rbecause, just like chemistry, low-level computer programming is becoming an issue of security.  A valid issue01:03
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danx00rif you follow that logic to its extreme conclusion, anything that involves handling complex tools of analysis and development -- whether chemical, nuclear, or even information tech -- could be argued to be too dangerous to allow 'normal' people access to01:04
danx00rand that goes for information as well as tools -- why would you need a chip layout, unless you're planning to circumvent DRM and steal software or media?01:04
danx00rok I admit I'm ranting a bit -- but in my mind this ties together.  Science is just latin for knowledge01:05
ybityup, i think what you are saying is great01:05
danx00rI feel like it's a use it or lose it situation -- if we don't loudly and publicly declare our right and our ability to examine, comprehend, and understand our reality01:05
danx00rthen we are effectively delegating that to a noble elite, with the proper credentials01:06
danx00rand I don't like the smell of that world01:06
danx00rdid the rep/rap guys show up at H+?01:06
danx00rhttp://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page01:06
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danx00rbtw this stuff is even more important in 3rd world fascist countries than it is in the 'developed' world01:07
danx00rthe fears I have are pretty paranoid for someone in the USA today01:07
danx00rbut they are perfectly reasonable for someone in, say, Iran, Afghanistan, or most of Africa01:07
danx00rand even China to some degree01:07
danx00rand even here, with things like the MPAA suing people for having their crappy crypto on a T-shirt, there are powerful interests who do not want a populace that thinks for itself01:08
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danx00rso really it's about protecting and promoting critical thinking and direct acquisition of information, rather than letting the masses get comfortable learning everything from Wikipedia and assuming it's correct01:08
danx00r(don't get me started on Wikipedia :)01:09
danx00reventually Wikipedia will be considered "too big to fail" and nationalized.  Ok, maybe that's a stretch...01:10
danx00rdid I mention, peer review is broken?01:11
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ybitdanx00r: good stuff01:19
danx00rthx01:20
ybityou could also add the life as intellectual property war here in the usa01:20
ybitwhich would mean you are paranoid for a good reason01:20
ybiti take that back, you're aware of what's going on, not paranoid01:20
ybita thinking mind is more useful than a dead one, unless it's hitler or others :)01:21
ybitbut then there's the side story of hitler being a great artist and turned down by an art institution he wanted to study at...01:22
ybitanywhos, i should probably sleep, and google logs are telling me this is the average bed time01:22
ybitthanks for the feedback danx00r01:22
ybithi wolfspraul01:23
danx00rfirst one's free :)01:23
danx00rhey maybe someone can help here01:23
danx00rI want to teach a bunch of kids 6-10 how to measure something, like gravity or the speed of sound01:23
danx00rany ideas? should be something fundamental about the Universe that isn't obvious without doing some sort of experiment01:24
ybitdanx00r: www.fofweb.com/onfiles/SEOF/Science_Experiments/6-33.pdf01:26
ybityou can even measure the earth's mass with a pendelum01:26
ybitmeasuring the earth's mass: http://bit.ly/9BHhZU01:28
ybitmeasuring sound: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_measure_the_speed_of_sound01:28
ybitthe speed of sound*01:29
danx00rdid anyone ever put videos of the 2009 December event up?01:35
danx00rthx for the links!01:35
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Utopiahdanx00r: you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg ?01:36
danx00ractually looking for my own talk01:36
danx00ris there a list somewhere?01:36
Utopiahhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hplus+Summit+2009&aq=f01:37
Utopiahno it seems not, at least not there01:37
danx00rsad01:37
danx00rthe UK vids are so nice01:37
danx00rno audio problems (like we had today)01:37
danx00rit would be helpful for these seminars to be somewhat more carefully archived and streamed01:38
danx00rsorry to say the quality on that front was sub par this time around01:38
danx00rand apparently for Irvine as well, since nothing was ever put online01:38
ybitdanx00r: who are you?01:40
danx00rdaniel miller01:40
* ybit wonders if he met you in irvine01:40
UtopiahI guess with the Internet/HackerSpace/DIY mindset one would check everywhere he could, ask the right people then as he find nothing close to what he needs, make it happen. So yes I agee if you think it's not enough, do it.01:40
danx00rUtopiah: fair enough!01:40
danx00rbut of course it's easier to gripe than to fix things :)01:40
UtopiahI dont think so01:41
danx00r(irony)01:41
Utopiahhttp://bit.ly/sarcasmometer ON01:42
danx00rybit: what's your rl name?01:42
ybitdanx00r: Heath Matlock01:42
ybithttp://tweaklabs.org/Heath+Matlock01:42
danx00rI don't recall meeting, but I'm terrible at names01:42
danx00rmy point about the videos is that these conferences could have much more reach01:43
danx00rlike TED manages to01:43
Utopiahdanx00r: maybe you could check my (messy http://fabien.benetou.fr/Person/Person?action=print to get ideas on how to be less "terrible at names" (last related thing I did was a mini "game" to display in a random order profile of people who have a high chance of being at the next meeting)01:43
ybitagreed, they do a terrible job of recording and distributing the videos each event. someone said they are going to release full hd vids later, but that's what they said about the last one, at least this one has so far kept some form of record online01:44
danx00rif attention is paid to ensuring a really effective capture of the talks, the best ones will take on a life of their own01:44
danx00rwho is typically responsible for the capture & streaming?01:45
ybitdanx00r: dunno, ask the h+ board01:45
danx00rwhat is the h+ board?01:46
danx00rbb or board of directors?01:46
ybitbb = breadboard? :)01:46
ybiti'm saying the board of directors01:47
ybitgoertzel, lightman, etc01:47
danx00rahh ok01:48
danx00rI can bug Ben.  He'll just tell me to volunteer I suspect01:48
danx00rbut I don't want to ruffle feathers if someone considers it their domain01:48
danx00rI know it's far from trivial to get that going, and logistics of the conference can get in the way01:49
danx00rto some degree it's an issue of emphasis on the part of the organizers01:49
ybitmakes no sense they aren't able to find someone in l.a. or boston to do a decent job of recording02:10
* ybit sleeps02:11
splicermaybe they - in their great wisdom - are trying to tell us that in the future all video will be crappy02:14
danx00rI suspect they're just hosed trying to put on a good show02:15
danx00rand it's sort of something that no one is really taking ownership of02:16
danx00rlike "ok let's run the streaming software, plug in some audio, now let's get lunch"02:16
danx00rsomeone seemed to be taking it seriously in Irvine, but the videos never materialized02:16
danx00rwhich is a shame02:17
danx00rsome really great talks 02:17
danx00rok nitey02:17
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kanzurehi all03:23
kanzurehey danx00r, metaliving, victoreremita03:23
kanzureand thur03:23
kanzurejrayhawk: thank you03:24
Utopiahvery nice metaphor http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23FOB-medium-t.html gated community, webtropolis, ...04:02
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alidigitalisso is this place really a steorn depot or a more general science arena?05:18
Utopiahthis place?05:19
alidigitalisthis chat room05:19
Utopiahit's what you make out of it05:19
alidigitaliswell what are most people making of it05:19
Utopiahyou can parse the logs05:19
Utopiahand see if it fits what you are interested in05:20
alidigitalisgreat, where are they :)05:20
Utopiahhttp://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt05:20
alidigitalisi came over here from diybio as that's more my speed, however there aren't many folks in that room05:20
Utopiah(mirrored in EU at http://seedea.org/buffering/irclogs.txt )05:21
alidigitalisit looks like there's a fairly wide gamut of topics05:21
alidigitalisi just didn't want to keep blabbering if i am in the wrong place :)05:22
Utopiahyes, good principle, I prefer to give you the data rather than my biased opinion though ;)05:23
alidigitalisfairenough :)  what are you working on then?05:24
Utopiahthat very minute?05:25
alidigitalisin general 05:25
Utopiahhttp://fabien.benetou.fr/Slideshows/RencontreAFTParis?action=slideshow05:25
Utopiahso for everything unclear or illogical, just let know05:27
alidigitalisc'est bien, je parle a bit of francaise 05:28
Utopiah:)05:28
alidigitalisseems mostly philosophical + use of some of today's web tools?  is there a more technical or experimental side?05:31
Utopiahthe result is the website where the presentation is hosted05:32
Utopiahas I used it several times a day it doesn't feel philosophical at all to me (especially when there is network latency :(05:33
Utopiahs/used/use/05:33
Utopiahfor the "experimental side" you can check the (way too long) "ToDo" section of most pages05:35
Utopiahsince you are in bio you might want to check http://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Health#PersonalGenomics or http://fabien.benetou.fr/ReadingNotes/IntelligentBio or http://fabien.benetou.fr/Cookbook/Biology05:38
Utopiahbut I doubt you'll find anything new there05:38
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alidigitalisyeah, that's all fine and well, i'm looking for folks who are building their own labs to do genetic work..  i'm in charlottesville, va with a pcr machine and a protein sequencer05:42
alidigitalisit's soooooo close these days05:42
alidigitaliscan almost afford the rest of the tools.... hoping to find a few folks in the neighborhood to work with05:43
Utopiahwhat's your next project requiring "the rest of the tools"?05:44
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alidigitalisoff topic for one second = have you heard keny arkana?05:44
Utopiah(off topic : yes)05:44
alidigitalisshe's blowing my mind right now05:44
alidigitalisanyhow, i'm working on getting genetically modified bacteria to produce thc05:45
Utopiahas in tetrahydrocannabinol?05:46
alidigitalisyes05:46
Utopiahfor... a specific usage?05:47
alidigitalisthc is created by cannabis to defend it against microbes and insects = a natural detergent 05:47
alidigitalisso it's a safe anti-malarial05:47
Utopiahand you dont just say that because you now know the channel is logged :P05:47
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alidigitalisthe plant makes it to defend itself (and some people use it for other reasons)05:47
Utopiahyes05:48
alidigitalisi really don't care... the native americans have been using it as a pesticide for thousands of years and the research is well established05:48
alidigitalisand it's parts per million thc:solution 05:49
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alidigitalisso there is no real medical merit in the project...05:49
Utopiahcould be useful for http://factorefarm.org/05:50
alidigitalisjust a safe, environmentally friendly detergent to kill mosquitos without endangering higher organisms05:50
Utopiahso I dont know anything on that topic but what about coffe?05:52
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Utopiahsounds like another psychoactive stimulant that naturally defends its plant, no?05:54
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alidigitalisit's very sweet, because it has no ld-50 in higher organisms like fish, birds, or people05:59
alidigitaliscoffee i know very little about, however i start every search with http://ncbi.nih.gov06:00
alidigitalisthere's a ton of research on there that's never been peer-reviewed and a lot that has06:00
alidigitaliscocaine is another interesting chemical that works wonders against insects....  caffeine i'm not certain about06:01
Utopiahkind of a classical gardener tip06:02
splicerhow about heroin?06:05
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alidigitalisi don't know much about the opiates...06:13
Utopiah(unrelated http://www.netfpga.org/ fpga + openflow)06:15
alidigitaliscannabis is interesting because it grows so well in so many places, in large part its robustness is due to it's biological weaponry06:15
Utopiahyep, very rustic06:15
alidigitalisUtopiah: that's a nice card06:16
Utopiah(if you are into FPGA but this time dedicated to graphism check http://milkymist.org/ )06:18
Utopiah(and more on the OpenFlow side http://vimeo.com/10694783 )06:22
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Utopiahhttp://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2010/03/09/optimal-daily-experience/09:11
Utopiah(with article April 2010 from Medical Hypotheses, found througn KK Quantified Self)09:12
genehackerBolonkin's writing against patent law now?09:19
genehackerhttp://nextbigfuture.com/2010/06/patent-nonsense-some-problems-with.html#more09:20
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cluckjkanzure, did you make it back to tx okay?10:25
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kanzurehey CapNemo 11:32
kanzurecluckj: yes11:32
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CapNemohello11:33
RedeemerGreetings.11:35
kanzurehi Redeemer 11:37
kanzureit's been a long weekend. i should nap.11:37
RedeemerHeh11:39
RedeemerSleep is unnecessary11:39
kanzuresleep is for the weak!11:40
kanzurewhere were the videos being uploaded, did anyone catch that?11:40
CapNemohey very interesting idea 11:40
RedeemerYeah I gotta try to get the talks from this event, since I could not attend.11:41
kanzureRedeemer: transcripts: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/11:44
kanzureso, i was talking with brian marlow, the science comedian who did a bit after my talk11:46
kanzureand i propose we start a fund raising drive for aubrey de grey11:46
kanzurewhere aubrey will shave if people raise $10M for longevity research11:46
kanzurei don't think he'd do it for 1M11:46
RedeemerHah!11:47
RedeemerI don't think he'll do it even then.11:47
CapNemoso what is hplus ??11:47
kristianpaulapt-make whistel dint work.. ;)11:48
RedeemerShorthand for Humanity+, which in a nutshell is an idea in regards to intellectual enlightment.11:49
CapNemoohh ok so basically a mouvement starting centuries ago :)11:50
kanzureRedeemer: bullshit11:51
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kanzureCapNemo: h+ is an acronym for "transhumanism"11:51
Utopiaheh...same11:51
UtopiahLe siecle des Lumieres -> Age of Enligtenment11:51
RedeemerMy term was very broad.11:52
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CapNemoI should invite Voltaire :)11:52
Utopiahlets all read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Renaissance too :-#11:52
Utopiahsome go as far as https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gilgamesh11:53
CapNemoouch11:54
CapNemowhy not11:54
Utopiahfor the Epic of Gilgamesh11:54
RedeemerIntellectual enlightment with a nice good dose of good technologies.11:54
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kanzuremac hiding in the h+ crowd: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeanbaptisteparis/4699168716/sizes/l/11:55
kanzurehttp://code.google.com/p/python-on-a-chip/ for just running a python vm on a chip without a kernel11:59
CapNemonice project12:06
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CapNemoany news on skdb?12:25
kanzuremicrofluidics demo thingy i guess12:25
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kanzurethe latest area of development/work is a python-based CSG library (or it might just wrap some other library like OpenCSG)12:25
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cluckjkanzure wow jb has some really amazing pictures12:44
cluckjI want to submit mine but hahaha they look so bad!12:44
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kanzurewrldpc2: it was nice seeing you again :)13:10
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wrldpc2nice to see you too bryan.  you were the star of the show!13:12
kanzurehttp://mynew.tv/ is a project from the abinventio guy who showed off qless at the conference (the "saves you 2 years by not having to wait in lines any more" thing)13:15
kanzureit's actually pretty addictive13:15
kanzurehelluva recommendation engine under the hood13:15
kanzureblah it seems to be down13:16
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cluckjare there any other photographers that put stuff up?13:43
kanzuremainly jolly13:45
kanzureand http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/photos/13:45
cluckjhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/ajolly/sets/72157624141398171/13:45
cluckjcool, thanks13:45
cluckjI saw jb's and jolly's13:45
cluckjthat's a lot of people at sprout13:46
cluckjooh, can I use that picture of mac standing on the table?13:47
cluckjI don't know what for yet, but it's a nice visual13:47
cluckjof the kinds of stuff he does :)13:48
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cluckjhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/49618787@N08/4701256564/13:58
kanzurecluckj: i think he tried to trademark table standing at igem13:58
cluckjhahaha13:59
cluckjsounds about right13:59
cluckjI wanted to codename him in my paper -- he wanted to be called "the advocate," now I have photographic evidence!14:00
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kanzurewtf is this crap? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB7L1BIDELc14:15
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kanzurecluckj: i'm fine with him being "the advocate" only if i get to be "the anomaly"14:15
uniqanomaly__kanzure: black gospel except for 'strictly black' and 'religious' things14:18
uniqanomaly__well14:19
uniqanomaly__except for 'black' and 'gospel' ;)14:19
uniqanomaly__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1BFVPPNQxI14:26
uniqanomaly__this one is better, for sure14:26
cluckjhahaha14:26
uniqanomaly__;)14:27
cluckjkanzure I think I see what you mean, could you explain a little more?14:27
kanzure"there'll be no one to stop us this time" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B7YNUNhhNE i had this beat in my head for the longest time14:28
kanzurethanks for reminding me it was aphex twin14:28
uniqanomaly__you're welcome14:29
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kanzurehi Alex_Hartman 14:36
Alex_HartmanHello Kanzure14:37
Alex_HartmanI'm right now reading the transcript posted under topics14:37
kanzurethe /topic has the transcripts from last year14:37
kanzure2009: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/14:37
kanzure2010: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/14:37
kanzureanyway, welcome alex :)14:39
Alex_HartmanOh, Boyden was there?14:40
kanzureyeah14:40
kanzureed is great14:41
Alex_HartmanI didn't know he was involved with the DIY community14:41
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Alex_HartmanI did some work based on his research a while ago. Some optogenetic stuff.14:42
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cluckjI talked to him too, he was pretty awesome14:44
Alex_HartmanHe seems like a cool guy. I first saw his name back on neurodudes and kind of kept up with his research over the last few years.14:45
CapNemobtw, anybody around nyc here?14:45
cluckjI'm near albany, what's up?14:46
CapNemoalways searching for groups in new york ^^14:48
cluckjI'm not really a group :)14:49
CapNemodamn ;)14:49
Alex_HartmanThat depends on how you wish to define yourself as an entitity, isn't it ;)14:49
cluckjtouche14:49
Alex_HartmanI'm way down in SC, sorry. Are there a lot more people in NYC who collaborate?14:50
cluckjhehe14:51
Alex_HartmanBy "more" I think I really mean "any"...14:51
cluckjalbany is in new york, but 2-3 hours from NYC14:51
CapNemoyup big state14:51
Alex_HartmanSee, I did that stupid southerner thing where you say "New York" and we add the "city"14:51
cluckjeh, it's not limited to southerners :)14:52
CapNemoyup :) nyc nyc nyc14:52
cluckjthere is a diy bio group in nyc, but I haven't hung out with them yet14:52
cluckjjust diy bio in boston14:52
CapNemocluckj, what kind of microscope were you using in those picture to observe that leaf ?14:53
cluckja ucam14:54
cluckjit's a DIY webcam microscope14:54
CapNemonice14:55
CapNemohow much magnification did you get with?14:55
cluckjthere should be some info about it on the diybio.org site 14:55
cluckjin theory, 40x, in practice, maybe 30x?14:56
CapNemorather good14:56
cluckjdefinitely14:57
cluckjmac has made some improvements since then14:57
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CapNemothat must be fun to build yes :)15:04
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CapNemook time to go home... thanks for the talk cluckj 15:26
CapNemosee you around15:27
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QuantumG  15:51
QuantumGDon't ya hate it when you're having a conversation in youtube comments and forget that you need to assume everyone is ignorant and stupid?15:51
fennthe actual error was in having a conversation in youtube comments in the first place15:53
QuantumGya15:53
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kanzurebut yeah there's a diybio-nyc group17:29
kanzurehah! six day extension on the scipy2010 papers17:35
kanzureIan_Daniher: hey, it was great seeing you over the weekend17:35
kanzuredid you end up going to the summit on sunday?17:35
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kanzurewhat's "rolling stone magazine" and why would they want an interview18:09
QuantumGis that a joke?18:09
kanzureno?18:09
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kanzurei know of a band called "the rolling stones"18:10
QuantumGok, rolling stone magazine is like the most famous magazine in the world18:10
kanzureis that related?18:10
kanzurei call bullshit18:10
QuantumGhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Stone_Magazine18:10
* kanzure clicks18:10
kanzurewell it passed wikipedia notability guidelines i guess18:10
kanzurecirculation of 1.4M18:11
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kanzurefor the aubrey beard prize (10M USD), we should make him donate the beard to a wig maker and then donate the wig to ray kurzweil (he's balding)18:24
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QuantumGor you could invent a biological treatment that really does cause hair regrowth18:26
kanzurebah!18:26
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JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.18:29
JayDuggerHair regrowth assumes importance in proportion with age, kanzure.18:30
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QuantumGI'm sure accelerated scalp hair growth would be popular with women too18:32
JayDuggerGood point.18:32
JayDuggerI think the coefficient, or perhaps the exponent, of the age term differs for men and women.18:32
QuantumGif you need an altruistic motivation, consider people with cancer18:32
JayDuggerGood point. I donated my long hair to locks of love when I cut it.18:33
JayDuggerHmm...@rapportive says they've more Raplets coming to http://raplets.com.18:33
JayDuggerRelevant to 1kfriendly.18:33
kanzure:)18:33
kanzurei could convince etacts.com to hire me18:34
kanzurebut i don't know if i want that18:34
JayDuggerDo you need or want a job?18:34
kanzurethey sound very interested when i talk over the phone18:34
kanzurei don't need it and i don't really want it (or do i?)18:34
kanzurei mean, from a 1kfriendly perspective, they have a lot of code already written and a user base18:34
kanzureand it would make less sense for me to re-invent wheels here18:34
JayDuggerSo far (Gmail+etacts+rapportive) > (silentale).18:34
JayDuggerWork-wise, what pays you enough to continue your main project (skdb?) without consuming too much time?18:35
JayDuggerJobs have a real way of taking over one's life.18:35
kanzurei have funding for skdb18:35
kanzurebut you asswads won't take my money >:o18:35
kanzurewell.. fenn wants to use it to pay rent18:36
kanzurebut that's really lame imho18:36
JayDuggerI think you're better off concentrating on 8020 for funding.18:36
kanzureJayDugger: did you see the andrew hessel talk?18:36
kanzurei'm also doing that.. we have a deal with exxon coming up for a number of digits18:36
JayDugger?18:37
kanzurehttp://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d1s1-3-andrew-hessel.html18:37
kanzurethe last paragraph mentions the project i guess. it's a quick read overall18:37
JayDuggerExxon?18:37
kanzureapparently they are an oil company that i should know about18:37
* kanzure shrugs18:37
JayDuggerHeh, heh...I remember, once upon a time, before some of you were even born, someone who very seriously argued, in print (when that was a big deal), that Exxon should fund solar power satellites.18:38
kanzurewell shouldn't they?18:39
JayDuggerhigh-priority interrupt...18:39
kanzuresex?18:39
kanzurewtf is "pay to pitch"18:41
JayDuggerNo, short-range planning.18:41
JayDuggerExxon: yes, but I doubt whether such projects will persist past the next downturn in oil prices.18:42
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mheldhey y'all18:45
kanzurehi mheld 18:45
kanzurewelcome to the dark corners of the internet that your mom warned you about18:45
JayDuggerGood evening, mheld.18:45
kanzurehttp://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt for the 20+ MB log file18:46
mheldhaha18:46
mheldoy18:46
mheldI'll just start from here18:46
kanzureokay :)18:46
mheldjust mentioning to kanzure that I'm bummed that I missed the summit this weekend18:46
mheldy'all should tell more college kids about it :-P18:46
kanzureyeah i should have made a bigger stink about it in #startups18:46
kanzurei mentioned it once or twice but it was probably at like 3am18:46
kanzurewhich doesn't count18:47
mheldhaha18:47
kanzurei'm back in austin today, so i can't hang out18:47
JayDuggerI think the last paragraph of Hessel's talk would serve well for #startups.18:47
kanzurehowever, a few others in here are still in boston18:47
kanzureJayDugger: yeah i've told them about the ideas/concepts/etc.18:47
kanzureand have received valuable feedback18:47
kanzurewhere did wrldpc2 go? he's in boston for sure18:47
kanzureIan_Daniher: are you around?18:47
kanzurecluckj: you're back in nyc already or not?18:48
kanzureoh well. mheld: we'll hook you up with someone for sure.18:49
mheldthere are a ton of startup events happening this week, so I'm sure I'll stumble upon someone from the summit18:50
kanzurei want a transhuman-oriented startup, damnit! (ok i guess that's what all this is, in here)18:51
kanzurea few minutes ago i was complaining to everyone how i got funding and nobody wanted to use it on any crazy project18:51
kanzureother than paying stupid rent stuff :(18:51
mheldkanzure: hi :-)18:51
fenn*cough* bullshit *cough*18:51
mheldbuilding strong AI here18:51
JayDuggerEtacts: Folding 1kfriendly into it prevents reinventing the wheel. Full-time employment with them doesn't best use your time, IMO.18:51
mheldone step at a time though18:52
kanzureJayDugger: right18:52
kanzuremheld: are you working with ben goertzel, then?18:52
kanzureand if not, why not?18:52
kanzureopencog et al.18:52
mheldI'd like to18:53
kanzurehe's the most approachable guy on the planet18:53
mheldhmm18:54
nshbecause he *is* strong AI... my god, it's all starting to make sense18:54
nshhis whole enterprise is a foil to prevent others discovering the secret and creating elizier's wanky fantasies18:54
kanzurefenn: have you been keeping track of biocurious and its apparent lack of progress?18:54
kanzureas always, joseph jackson talked about various social "problems" (these problems seem to follow him where-ever he goes.. or maybe he just finds them)18:55
kanzure$200/mo per member of biocurious just seems a bit.. odd18:55
kanzureand $800 per LavaAmp.. 18:56
kanzurewasn't that originally a $10 thermocycler?18:57
nshwhat19:08
nshpeople pay $200 per month to members?19:09
Alystairis abstraction a necessary evil19:10
JayDuggerDid Keith Curtis (keithcu.com) attend hplus 2010?19:10
JayDuggerI wonder if he & B. Goertzel discussed open source AI.19:11
JayDuggerGood night, everyone. Time to commute.19:18
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JayDugger1kfriendly: http://thinktankapp.com/ aka Gina Trapani's Twitalytic, forkable from github http://github.com/ginatrapani/thinktank19:46
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superkuhhttp://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(10)00376-419:52
superkuh"Transcranial Pulsed Ultrasound Stimulates Intact Brain Circuits"19:52
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kanzurehi r1776 21:23
kanzurewrldpc2: mheld is in your area.. he was in the channel a while ago21:23
wrldpc2cool21:23
wrldpc2mheld identify21:24
kanzuresomeone from #startups21:24
cluckjkanzure I'm back in Troy, yeah21:27
cluckjit's about 2-3 hours from new york city21:27
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