2010-06-17.log

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fennIBM to enter supercomputer on Jeopardy gameshow: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/magazine/20Computer-t.html?hp00:22
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fennbetter url http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/magazine/20Computer-t.html?pagewanted=all00:29
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fenni gotta get me some of these http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/24551/cameracube/00:39
fennnot too bad, ovm7690 is $25 qty 1 at digikey00:44
fenn$12 qty 2500:45
fennif you're too lazy to look at the link, it's a 640x480 camera + lens + video encoder all in a 2.5mm cube00:47
fennthat's scary small00:48
Yocttaryep, its cool, maybe embed in a reprap? ^^00:49
Yocttaryou can have a sort of progress report - filmed!00:50
fenner, that's not what i was thinking at all00:52
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fennelevenarms: check this out, VGA camera + lens + encoder in 2.5mm cube: http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=4501:11
elevenarmswhoa.01:11
elevenarmsany idea about price?01:12
fenn$25/qty 1 $12/qty 2501:12
elevenarmsnb.01:12
fennps i now work at ovt, but i would think it's cool anyway01:12
elevenarmsin what capacity?01:13
fenni shake a stuffed animal in front of a camera and attempt to make it crash :)01:14
elevenarmslol... QA?01:15
fennyeah, it's not exactly what was in the job description01:15
fenni am supposed to be making a database to do regression testing01:16
fennor... something01:16
elevenarmsfun... full time gig?01:16
fenn3 days a week01:17
elevenarmslooks like SF is your new home...01:17
fennmountain view, actually01:17
elevenarmsalso when are you shipping me a mini-mendel kit?01:17
fennas soon as, er, uh... wait a minute01:17
fenni'm having extruder issues01:18
elevenarmsis there a zip of your design files somewhere?01:18
fennno?01:18
fennhttp://fennetic.net/reprap/ is everything01:18
fennuh, almost01:19
* fenn fixes01:19
elevenarmsdid you scale the partfiles in inkscape before lasering?01:19
elevenarmsacross the board or did you have to redesign some pieces ?01:19
fennok, now there should be a little yellow box at the bottom, "fixes.tgz"01:20
fennfirst of all, i don't have a laser cutter01:20
fennsecond, all the laser-cut pieces are useless and not worth making in the first place01:21
elevenarmsyou're cncing each piece01:21
elevenarms?01:21
fennthird, i found this out after making them by hand with a saber saw01:21
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fenncnc might work, dunno, it's pushing the capacity of the dojo cnc mill01:22
fennfor the one piece you actually do need01:22
fenni'd rather just redesign it so everything can be printed01:22
fennmy method for generating svg's from stl: raytrace in blender at large resolution in orthographic mode, including a 1cm cube01:23
elevenarmseek01:23
fennthen do autotrace, and scale such that the cube makes a 1cm square01:24
fennbut in reality autotrace doesn't work for some reason, so i used gimp and then printed the bitmap01:24
fenncouldn't figure out why autotrace wouldnt work.. it's gray on blue01:24
fennsupposedly skeinforge will slice an stl and generate svg of the outline, but i couldnt get that to work either01:25
elevenarmsthen you used a scroll saw to cut the template glued to polycarbonate?01:26
fennyep01:26
fennused 1/401:26
elevenarms<hat tip>01:26
fennpvc actually01:26
fennah that reminds me, i need to order more tiny ball bearings01:27
elevenarmstotally random...01:27
elevenarmshave the lumenlab guys sold any of their machines?01:27
fennit uses a lot of bearings, and i didnt order enough so i'm currently using a bunch of washers on a 3mm bolt, doesn't work so well01:28
fenni have no idea about lumenlab01:29
fennlooks like a shit design for milling anything but foam and circuit boards if you ask me01:29
fenn"look, we threw money at it! yaaaaaaay"01:29
elevenarmsthat was my take on it01:30
fennthen a 50 ton dose of reality comes crashing down01:30
elevenarmsanything that cost more than a few hundred is not really worth it01:30
fennooo "Metal Base Solid. Straight. Shiny.01:30
fennsrsly, go buy a square column milling machine from harbor freight01:31
elevenarmsit's interesting given that sherline has the small mill figured out01:31
elevenarmsit even comes with emc in cnc form01:31
elevenarms(expensive though)01:31
fennhm i guess HF doesn't sell that particular mill anymore01:33
elevenarmslike this http://www.mini-lathe.com/x3_mill/X3rvw/X3.htm01:33
fenni think it was the RF-4501:34
fennhttp://davidpbest.com/VA/StonehorseShop/MillDrill/MillDrill.htm01:34
fennx3 is similar01:35
elevenarmswow01:35
elevenarmsthat's larger then i though01:35
fennyeah x3 is more of a 'bench top' mill01:36
fennthis is like, occupies its own bench01:36
fennalso the x3 is $600 vs $3k01:37
fenn#1 Haunted Seller-Trusted - opens in a new window or tab 01:38
fenn#1 Haunted Seller-Trusted - opens in a new window or tab01:38
fennPowerful Ancient Spells & Spirits! $ Back Guarantee! X301:38
elevenarmsi have a second hand x2 (i think - or some flavor there of)01:39
fennHAUNTED PURE BLOOD CARPATHIAN VAMPIRE PRIESTESS RING!* $22001:39
fennis there an x1?01:40
elevenarmsyes http://www.embeddedtronics.com/micromill.html01:40
elevenarmsi think it's ~$30001:41
elevenarmsnice micro-fixtureplate http://www.hightechsystemsllc.com/pt_work_holding_system.html01:42
fenni should get to bed, i promised to open the dojo in the morning for some reason01:49
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elevenarmsttyl... keep me posted on mendel01:52
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kanzuregood morning04:50
maraineinmorning04:51
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kanzurestalk: Danny Piccirillo05:27
kanzurejrayhawk: do you know of danny? why am i getting emails from him05:27
kanzurehttp://rt.com/Top_News/2009-05-14/Biohacking__harmless_hobby_or_global_threat.html?fullstory05:29
kanzurestalk: Phil Holtzman05:29
kanzurestalk: Dan Heidel05:29
kanzurestalk: Keith Kleiner05:30
kanzurehttp://ru-ru.facebook.com/pages/Biohacking/11013187901628305:35
kanzurehttp://www.fightaging.org/archives/2010/06/the-tumbling-walls-of-formal-science.php05:37
kanzurehttp://biotechnewsupdate.blogspot.com/2009/01/biohacking-open-wetware-future.html05:42
kanzurestalk: Kyle Munkittrick05:43
kanzurehttp://www.poptranshumanism.com/2010/06/not-so-scary-synthetic-life/05:43
kanzurehttp://reason.com/archives/2010/05/25/whos-afraid-of-synthetic-biolo05:43
kanzurestalk: Ron Bailey05:43
klafka__sorry i get all my information from timecube.com05:44
kanzurehttp://reason.com/archives/2010/05/25/whos-afraid-of-synthetic-biolo05:44
kanzureklafka__: jrayhawk was saying the other day that the internet needs a proxy that "timecuberizes" the web05:44
klafka__haha05:46
klafka__definitely05:46
kanzurehm there's a surprisingly high concentration of transhumanist publications writing about diybio05:46
kanzurehttp://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F05:47
kanzurefightaging.org, poptranshumanism.com, singularityhub.com, reason.com, kevin kelly (ok, he's more like extropianism), hplusmagazine.com05:47
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klafka__how is extropian really different from transhumanist?05:56
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JayDuggerGood morning, everyone.06:23
facefacemorgen06:28
Utopiahfaceface: hey, was it on one of your wiki that we kinda started an H+ potential course?06:29
facefacethat rings a bell06:29
facefacebut I don't think it was H+06:29
facefacewe started some course or another06:29
Utopiahok, well because during H+ summit there was Transhumanism & Education by Kevin Jain for http://usodb.fas.harvard.edu/public/index.cgi?rm=details&id=940 which seems (beside SingU) to be actually doing it06:30
Utopiahcould be interesting to compare content, dates, etc06:30
facefacecool06:30
* faceface tries to remember06:30
Utopiahwas not even a draft but I like to keep track of such things06:31
facefaceI seem to remember we had some aim or another06:32
Utopiahhttp://biocourse.org/index.php/H%2B06:32
Utopiah(found it)06:33
Utopiah(updated http://fabien.benetou.fr/Events/HplusSummitHarvard#Education with it)06:38
faceface++06:38
klafka__hey does anyone know what the limit of time between inventing something and patenting it is?06:48
JayDuggerI don't sorry.06:48
klafka__asking in relation to http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/16/2233230/USPTO-Lets-Amazon-Patent-the-Social-Networking-System06:49
Utopiahklafka__: lawyers skills06:49
UtopiahI mean you're theoretically supposed to demonstrated historical precedence and a "susbstancial" improvement06:51
Utopiahbut AFAIK the UPSTO/WIPO results is not necessarly aligned with what they officialy advertize06:52
Utopiah(doesn't mean the patent you get will be useful after anyway though)06:52
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klafka__no i mean how long do you have between "inventing" and filing for a patent06:56
Utopiahas long as nobody does it before you?06:58
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klafka__well i mean this is an interesting case, they have a company that created a facebook like site in 1998, then they patented social networking in 200807:02
klafka__so where does that leave shit07:02
klafka__can you patent shit 10 years after you create it, during which time other people have done the same thing07:02
UtopiahAmazon have a weird history of patents, remember the 1-click system?07:03
Utopiahthey claimed that too, iirc it didn't work in the end07:03
Utopiahthe current procedure is that if there is prior art you can't patent it07:04
Utopiahbut ... I not so jokingly answer "lawyers skills" before because in the end07:05
Utopiahthey know more about jargon, current tech. etc... than the patent office that get flooded with requests07:05
Utopiahobviously the person asking for a patent never show the prior art07:05
UtopiahI discussed a bit with patent lawyers and the institute in France ( http://www.inpi.fr/ ) and it changed my "idealistic" view on it07:07
klafka__well but prior art applies to when the invention occured or when the patent was filed?07:07
klafka__Utopiah, yah i have a far from idealistic view of the patent system07:07
klafka__i'm just sort of curious 07:07
Utopiahin between07:07
Utopiahsince you can't patent as soon as you invent there is always a gap07:08
Utopiahthe "trick" is to get it acknowledge by their system 07:08
Utopiahwithout the competition kowing it07:08
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Utopiahwhich lead to weird things like not publishing in scientific journals, cryptography patent that are retroactive, etc07:09
UtopiahIm sorry but I dont know enough on that topic and I really gotta go now07:09
klafka__aah07:09
klafka__ok07:09
klafka__later!07:09
Utopiahbut let know about about what you discover ;)07:09
Utopiah(and invent, I promise not to patent it!)07:10
klafka__http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_to_file_and_first_to_invent07:10
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kanzurehttp://www.pdfernhout.net/the-problems-of-being-self-determining.html07:31
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kanzuregee paul's story was way more underdeveloped than i anticipated07:48
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kanzurefor some reason this image is called "diybio versus transhumanism" http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeanbaptisteparis/4698542099/07:53
kanzurecluckj: you're in it07:53
kanzurehttp://www.biofortified.org/07:53
kanzurehttp://www.iftf.org/node/3512 Recognizing Lightweight Innovation: Key Characteristics and Technology Drivers07:53
kanzurestalk: Anthony Townsend07:53
kanzurehttp://www.scientificblogging.com/what_question/blog/what_expect_h_summit07:55
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kanzurehttp://technologiclee.blogspot.com/07:56
kanzurethere's a diybio-houston? http://flavortrippinghouston.eventbrite.com/07:56
kanzure"fluorescent black" http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/41758.htm/ (scifi?)07:58
kanzuredunno what's going on here: http://www.facebook.com.blit.li/pages/w/10817105587834507:59
JayDuggerEhh...it ran in Heavy Metal.07:59
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kanzuregah i've been liveblogged: http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/hughes20100613/08:01
kanzureactually whoever did that didn't do that bad of a job :)08:03
kanzuremy grandmother is trying to get me to join mensa by sending me links to mensa quizzes on their website08:03
JayDuggerShe's proud of you.08:04
kanzurethey start off with "what's the next image in this series"08:04
kanzuresuffice it to say i closed it immediately08:04
JayDuggerOr she's a member, and gets a referral or commission.08:04
kanzurehahah08:04
kanzureeugenics mixed with capitalism08:04
kanzure:P08:04
JayDuggerYou mean the Nobel Prize Winner's 08:05
JayDuggerSperm Bank?08:05
JayDuggerThose last two should've been on the same line.08:07
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pmetzgerback much later...08:17
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JayDugger bildr is currently in private beta, and is  looking for anyone interested in potentially helping with the project.  08:46
JayDugger"We need everyone from grammar spotters to graphic designers; from  electronics masters to simply helpful people."  08:47
JayDugger"If you would like to help out, or just want to poke around, the invite  code is bildrInvite76f3 - You can register at http://bildr.org/register"08:47
JayDuggerI'll report what I find out.08:48
kanzureit's bullshit08:53
kanzureadam doesn't actually want our help08:53
kanzurei called him up and talked about it08:53
klafkahaha08:55
kanzurehis phone number is 520-275-5192, go ahead and call i guess08:55
kanzureAdam Meyer <ameyer@g.risd.edu>08:56
JayDuggerYour prompt answer saves me trouble.08:57
kanzurei wonder if unptnt.com ever made it to the web (news, etc.)08:58
kanzurehttp://opensourcebridge.org/users/9708:59
kanzurehm.. well he at least mentions it08:59
kanzure(that's elevenarms)08:59
kanzurejrayhawk: did you go to this? http://opensourcebridge.org/09:02
kanzurehttp://terrytao.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/benfords-law-zipfs-law-and-the-pareto-distribution/09:09
kanzurehttp://motls.blogspot.com/2010/05/first-digit-is-most-likely-one-benfords.html09:09
kanzurerelevant paper re: benford's law: http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.066009:09
klafkaoh benford's law09:09
klafkaso fucking weird09:09
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kanzurehttp://oscillatorblog.com/ seems to have nice content09:37
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kanzurehi erislol 09:42
erislolhi09:42
kanzurehttp://wp.me/ppY4a-aW "gene design in less than 10min"09:42
Utopiahany DIY haptic system? (checking http://www.sensable.com/products-openhaptics-toolkit.htm )09:43
kanzureand if that doesn't work, this page might have the right link: http://friendfeed.com/diybio/4389b6f1/gene-design-in-less-than-10-minutes-see-video?embed=109:43
kanzurestalk: Seng Loong Chan09:43
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kanzurehttp://www.technologyreview.com/computing/25547/ "A heated AFM tip can draw nanometers-wide conductive lines on graphene oxide."09:45
kanzurehttp://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/25593/ "Foundation Medicine will provide a personalized picture of a patient's disease." "genetic profile"09:46
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kanzureerislol: so, what brings you here? :)09:50
erislolwell, I've been lurking on the bodyhacking mailing list for a while09:51
kanzurehttp://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/this.week.html proof of a no cloning (perfect copying) theroem09:51
kanzureerislol: ah, cool09:51
kanzurei thought i might have met you at the recent conference09:51
kanzurei gave a presentation and some of the people showing up are from the summit09:51
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erislolheh, unfortunately not09:52
kanzureokie dokie09:52
erislolI'm just very interested in computational neuroscience, brain-computer interfaces, and the like09:52
kanzurehow about some videos? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ex52LYDe8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzUVd0skbc809:52
erislolI thought there could be some cool people and conversations here09:52
kanzureno, we're totally lame and not to be trusted09:53
erislolawww09:53
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erislollooks like an interesting talk, but I can't hear it very well09:56
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kanzurehi AJollyLife 11:32
AJollyLifehey kanzure :)11:37
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mheldhttp://twitpic.com/1xlt6i I met rodney brooks today!12:02
Utopiah:)12:02
fennbenford's law is really weird12:05
kanzuredavid dalrymple was in the ny times the other day apparently12:06
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fennre: dalrymple, this must be it (btw wtf google, why didnt this show up on news: dalrymple) http://www.theledger.com/article/20100613/ZNYT01/6133014/1001/BUSINESS?p=all&tc=pgall12:36
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fennanybots is right next door, i should go over there some time and poke around12:37
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fennblah blah blah bah singularity blah MIT blah 12:41
fenni wonder who pays for all these articles to be written12:41
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kanzurefenn: why, your ad clicks!12:42
parolangI think it means that the baby boomers are starting to take their impending demise seriously.12:42
kanzureunlikely. not yet :)12:43
parolangOh sorry...somehow I thought this was #emacs :D12:43
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kanzurestalk: Todd Tahtinen <todd@spatial-films.com>12:46
kanzurehumanityplusaccounts@gmail.com12:47
kanzurehmm12:47
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fenngod i cant believe i read all that crap12:49
parolangkanzure: Is "stalk" a command for your web spiders?12:50
fennlol12:50
fennit's a command to his loyal minions12:50
parolangEither that or kanzure's becoming a creeper :)12:51
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kanzureparolang: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt becoming?12:55
kanzure:/12:55
kanzurehmm i can probably plot my creepiness with respect to time12:55
parolangheh :)12:56
kanzurehttp://designfiles.org/~bryan/stalk.2010-06-17.log12:56
parolangI just wondered if your web spiders can collect and analyze online information to produce a history of the target's residency and employment.12:57
parolangAh...you just grep for stalk in your irc log :)12:57
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jrayhawkkanzure: re: opensourcebridge: no, but I am loosely associated with a bunch of the organizers and speakers. I actually hosted that website on the box gnusha is on for a while.13:04
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jrayhawkalso erislol is a good name, but not so much for this irc network13:07
AJollyLifekanzure: if you are interested in webstalking, start looking into OSINT stuff :)13:08
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kanzurehttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/Grants13:23
kanzurehmm13:23
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kanzureanyone want to make up a silly proposal about studying thingiverse.com and creative commons? :P13:24
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drazakkanzure: checked out the local hackerspace today13:37
drazakkanzure: I'm working on rfid lockers for them13:37
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fennhonda, enabling lazy fatasses everywhere with its new self-driving office chair: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cuIJRsAuCHQ13:43
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kanzures/lazy fatasses/shareholders/ you're corporate now, remember?13:57
AJollyLifedrazak: which hackerspace is that?14:04
drazakAJollyLife: buffalolab.com14:13
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fennhow long until we start seeing killer bee assassination attempts? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090123101211.htm15:13
fennthe DoD is working on a hummingbird sized drone that carries a small explosive charge, for assassination. i'm sort of amazed they admit to building it15:14
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fennwow there's a whole category for face recognition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Face_recognition15:22
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cluckjkanzure, that is my friend that I came there with15:54
cluckjit's called diy bio vs transhumanism because I'm studying diy bio, and he's studying transhumanism15:56
cluckjand jb is a twerp :)15:56
fennGpuCV is an open-source GPU-accelerated image processing and Computer Vision library. It offers an Intel's OpenCV-like programming interface for easily porting existing OpenCV applications, while taking advantage of the high level of parallelism and computing power available from recent graphics processing units (GPUs). It is distributed as free software under the CeCILL-B license. 16:06
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pmetzgerlooks like IBM is making progress on AGI even if none of the various AGI interested transhumanists are...16:51
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QuantumGwhat are they doing?16:52
uniqanomalyparolang lol, u'r kidding right?16:52
pmetzgerThey have a very big variant on Blue Gene that can play Jeopardy against humans and wins most of the time.16:53
pmetzgerSeriously.16:53
kanzurei prefer the blue brain project w/ IBM16:54
kanzurescrew jeopardy16:54
kanzurebtw we're trying to get henry markram for the next hplus summit16:54
pmetzgerhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/magazine/20Computer-t.html16:54
pmetzgerIt is kind of impressive how far they've gotten with brute force.16:54
pmetzgerAnd kind of impressive how unfar other people have gotten.16:54
uniqanomalypmetzger *16:55
uniqanomalynarrow ai16:55
kanzurehttp://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/06/reprap_inkjet.html inkjet sprayers for 'printing' on your printed 3d prints16:55
pmetzgerNarrow? Dunno.16:55
QuantumGWatson, what a creative name!16:56
kanzurehttp://open3dp.me.washington.edu/2010/06/reprap-breeding-program/16:56
uniqanomalysame as chess x years ago, just different domain16:56
pmetzgerit is certainly specialized, but the specialization involves all the information one might get in an unrestricted trivia game.16:56
kanzurestalk: Nicholas C Lewis16:56
kanzurestalk: Marcus Lew16:56
pmetzgerWatson is named after T.J. Watson Jr. and Sr.16:56
uniqanomalyspecialization -> not agi16:56
pmetzgerone thing I've learned about AI: if you can do it, everyone says it isn't AI. :)16:56
pmetzgerI wonder if we're natural intelligence even. :)16:57
pmetzgertime for dinner for me, bbl.16:57
kanzurehttp://inventionaddict.com/2010/06/13/reprap-rapid-prototyping-in-the-comfort-of-your-own-garage/16:57
uniqanomalyheh i'm waiting for breakfast, 2am in my timezone ;)16:58
kanzurewtf is intelligence and why are you talking about it16:58
kanzurehttp://piggington.com/ot_reprap_quota_factory_in_every_home_a_factory_that_can_make_mo16:58
kanzurehttp://groups.google.com/group/reprap-brisbane16:58
kanzureoops i'm already a member :-/16:59
QuantumGnice to know that if I ever get interested in reprap I can go see some locals17:00
kanzureyou should go even if you're not interested17:01
QuantumGthat would involve leaving the house17:01
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kanzurehey ismarc 17:15
ismarcsup cap'n17:15
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kanzurehi niftyzero 17:17
niftyzerohi... I just heard about this room from an h+ friend17:23
eriduso there's no really good unicode solution for H+17:24
eriduthere's a unicode character for a dot in a circle, but nothing for just floating dot17:24
parolanguniqanomaly: yes :)17:31
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pmetzgerevening.18:01
AJollyLifehello :)18:12
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pmetzgerhrm. Didn't know about BRL-CAD before.19:23
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QuantumGyou're probably better in your ignorance19:26
QuantumGits not like it's usable19:26
kanzureheh19:26
kanzurepmetzger: http://heekscad.org/19:26
kanzurehttp://opencascade.org/19:27
pmetzgerbedtime for me....19:27
kanzurenight19:27
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JayDuggerGood night, everyone.19:52
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kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/20:05
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cluckjfuck_you.png, nice touch :)20:06
kanzurethe second time you go to the image, it redirects you to goatse20:07
cluckjhahaha20:07
ismarcthat's awesome20:07
cluckjawesome20:07
kanzure:)20:07
kanzureegeste: it just occurred to me the reason for genehacker's frequent ping timeouts20:14
kanzurei guess his scheme is "working" sorta20:14
cluckjanyone used stellarium?20:15
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kanzureit's the simple things in life that make me happy: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/screenshots/2010-06-17_youtube_views.png20:25
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QuantumGwow, this is terrible: http://vimeo.com/331548921:18
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LilxHKhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM22:31
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