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| Utopiah | http://freewheel.autodesk.com/webdevelopers.aspx | 04:28 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: have you seen their AJAX 2D DXF suite for drawing floorplans? | 05:45 |
| Utopiah | I just discovered it thanks to http://openarchitecturenetwork.org/ | 05:46 |
| kanzure | http://butterfly.autodesk.com/ | 05:46 |
| kanzure | looks crazy: http://labs.autodesk.com/utilities/2d_to_3d_tool/ | 05:52 |
| Utopiah | tbh I was a bit surprised when I saw those last tools but Autodesk isn't a minor software producer so... | 05:53 |
| kanzure | yeah :) they even took on the risk of xanadu | 06:08 |
| kanzure | "SolidWorks is currently used by over 3.4 million engineers and designers at more than 100,000 companies worldwide." | 06:18 |
| kanzure | is 3.4M high or low? | 06:18 |
| kanzure | "FY2007 revenue for SolidWorks, including CosmosWorks, was 255 million Euros" | 06:19 |
| kanzure | with 1M licenses sold | 06:19 |
| Utopiah | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dassault_Systemes_S.A. vs https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Autodesk | 06:23 |
| kanzure | "history of cad" by jon hirschtick http://vimeo.com/2612213 | 06:32 |
| kanzure | oh dear: http://web.archive.org/web/19961212073847/http://www.solidworks.com/ | 06:34 |
| kanzure | "SolidWorks is backed by a group of venture capital firms including Atlas Venture; Burr, Egan Deleage; North Bridge Venture Partners; and Kubota Corporation." | 06:38 |
| kanzure | so, is this progression right? build1, build2, romulus, parasolid, ACIS? | 06:50 |
| kanzure | "In late 2000, around the time when Spatial was acquired out by Dassault Systemes, the ACIS file format changed slightly and was no longer openly published." | 06:58 |
| kanzure | older acis file format doc: http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/dataformats/sat/sat.pdf | 06:59 |
| kanzure | oops that doesn't exist any more. http://web.archive.org/web/20060915133732/http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/dataformats/sat/sat.pdf | 07:00 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 09:47 |
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| fenn | i don't get the autodesk 2d/3d stuff (maybe it's because there's no sound atm) | 11:15 |
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| pmetzger | autodesk has sound? | 11:33 |
| pmetzger | er, autocad? | 11:34 |
| fenn | the demo video on the website | 11:38 |
| pmetzger | ah. | 11:41 |
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| pmetzger | anyone around a debian expert? | 12:13 |
| Yocttar | any1 know a good place I could freely uplao | 12:13 |
| Yocttar | upload a pdf to? | 12:13 |
| pmetzger | you mean, web hosting? | 12:13 |
| Yocttar | something to share... if its web hosting, let it be web hosting... | 12:14 |
| Yocttar | about your debian question - you should just ask, maybe then some1 will be able to answer :) | 12:14 |
| Yocttar | plus u have the #ubuntu channel | 12:17 |
| Yocttar | where u probably will find more debian experts.. | 12:17 |
| pmetzger | I figured out my issue using google... | 12:41 |
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| Yocttar | google powah ! | 13:25 |
| Yocttar | btw: http://pdfhost.net/ | 13:36 |
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| pmetzger | btw, first meeting of a "nanosystems" reading group in NYC on Monday night. I doubt anyone here is interested, but I thought I'd mention it. | 14:42 |
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| kanzure | pmetzger: there's a few of us in here who are from nyc | 15:01 |
| pmetzger | Yes, but probably only a small subset, and only a subset of those might be interested, if that. | 15:02 |
| pmetzger | though I did of course mention it on the chance that someone would be interested... | 15:24 |
| kanzure | *ahem* why aren't the nyc people piping up | 15:25 |
| pmetzger | Well, few of them are probably reading, and fewer still probably are interested. :) | 15:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: who is peretx? | 15:34 |
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| fenn | a langtonite and champion of future living http://www.flickr.com/photos/ifl/ why? | 16:24 |
| kanzure | joseph is conning(?) him into working with biocurious | 16:27 |
| kanzure | joseph is also getting anselm in on it apparently.. | 16:28 |
| kanzure | unrelated: anyone know what 'Golden Triangle PCAST PICAT Meeting'? | 16:28 |
| kanzure | *is? | 16:28 |
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| fenn | peretz was doing biochemistry at ucsf and now is sort of wandering aimlessly | 16:29 |
| fenn | he thinks diybio is cute | 16:30 |
| fenn | jeez there's like a 50 degree temperature difference between SF night and mountain view day | 16:43 |
| fenn | 82 my ass | 16:44 |
| pmetzger | it depends on where in SF. | 16:51 |
| pmetzger | At Fort Point it can be 50F at the same time that it is 90F in the mission... | 16:52 |
| pmetzger | the nice thing about the bay area is that you can just pick the weather you prefer and drive there. :) | 16:52 |
| kanzure | ***** Singularity, The Zine for Hip Geeks. | 17:12 |
| kanzure | Contact: Ron Hale-Evans, 89 Mass Ave. Suite 199, Boston, MA 02115. | 17:12 |
| kanzure | hm | 17:12 |
| kanzure | ***** Boing-Boing, The World's greatest neurozine. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | Contact: Mark and Carla Frauenfelder Boing-Boing, PO Box 12311, Boulder, Co 80303 mark@well.sf.ca.us. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | Price: $10/4 issues | 17:13 |
| kanzure | Topics: comix, Cyberpunk, Brain Toys, Rudy Rucker interviews, etc. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | BoingBoing was around back in 1991? | 17:13 |
| kanzure | "Morrall estimates that this FDA regulation saves 68 lives per annum at a | 17:24 |
| kanzure | cost of $132,000,000/life. Is this a good trade-off? Morrall cites 16 | 17:24 |
| kanzure | careful studies estimating individual willingness to pay for risk | 17:24 |
| kanzure | reduction. "The estimates vary from about $400,000 to about $9.7 million | 17:24 |
| kanzure | per life saved, with a mean estimate of $3.3 million and a median estimate | 17:24 |
| kanzure | of $1.7 million." Id at 34. This indicates that the FDA's regulations | 17:24 |
| kanzure | diverge from individual preferences by a couple of orders of magnitude. | 17:24 |
| kanzure | This isn't to say that the FDA hasn't proposed dumber things. It once | 17:24 |
| kanzure | tried to ban the cosmetic coloring Orange No. 17 to avert a calculated risk | 17:24 |
| kanzure | of death of 1 in 10 billion. The regulation was projected to save one life | 17:24 |
| kanzure | in 2,000 years. Id at 29. | 17:24 |
| kanzure | hah it was called the Fascist Death Administration | 17:26 |
| kanzure | hah! "line modebrowse release 0.14" "the revolution in web browsing!" | 17:29 |
| kanzure | THE WEB IS NOW 80 CHARACTERS WIDE! | 17:30 |
| kanzure | actually it's pretty cool to see tim berners-lee on the extropians list | 17:30 |
| pmetzger | Singularity was important in the history of that mailing list. | 17:38 |
| pmetzger | Semiotext SF had an ad for The Science Fiction Eye which had an ad for bOING bOING which had an ad for Singularity which had an ad for Extropy. | 17:38 |
| kanzure | oh cool, some people from autodesk were posting | 17:45 |
| kanzure | <robertj@Autodesk.COM | 17:45 |
| kanzure | heh with a quote from drexler in his .sig | 17:45 |
| kanzure | hm he does some fairly good blog posts: http://robjsoftware.org/ | 17:46 |
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