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| jrayhawk | Hulu's new paid service is called "plus" and the iconography of it is h+ | 02:41 |
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| klafka | http://io9.com/5574826/programmable-sheet-can-fold-itself-into-origami-robot | 08:40 |
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| * fenn wonders how it is that microsoft is the biggest donor to the hacker dojo | 09:51 | |
| pmetzger | why wouldn't they give money to a good cause for PR? | 10:01 |
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| genehacker | kanzure you there? | 10:13 |
| genehacker | I might be able to see your presentation | 10:13 |
| genehacker | you're in the at&t building right? | 10:14 |
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| genehacker | actually it looks like I won't be able to make it | 10:24 |
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| kanzure | that went well. | 13:07 |
| klafka | oh yeah? | 13:08 |
| kanzure | these enthought.com/scipy people are intense | 13:08 |
| kanzure | klafka: just got back from my scipy2010 talk on pythonocc | 13:08 |
| klafka | tell them to fix the scipy.weave bug with osx 10.6 | 13:08 |
| kanzure | i already left | 13:08 |
| klafka | damn | 13:08 |
| klafka | well you live right there, go back! | 13:08 |
| klafka | :P | 13:08 |
| kanzure | :P | 13:08 |
| klafka | how were they intense? | 13:09 |
| kanzure | to enter you had to have compiled mozilla from scratch at least once | 13:09 |
| kanzure | http://conference.scipy.org/scipy2010/ | 13:10 |
| klafka | wait what? | 13:11 |
| kanzure | hm, looks like http://hpluscommunity.com is back up | 13:12 |
| kanzure | wait, no | 13:12 |
| kanzure | not back up | 13:12 |
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| lepton | congrats on your talk, kanzure! | 13:26 |
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| kanzure | slides: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/presentations/scipy2010/pythonOCC.pdf (meh) | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i could have amped up the technical stuff significantly | 13:50 |
| kanzure | i walked (very late) and one of the presenters was going on about this 11-dimensional bezier surface representation for a libsvm-implemented object recognition system that goes from opencv to his robotic arm controller in under 300ms flat.. | 13:51 |
| kanzure | *walked in | 13:52 |
| kanzure | so yeah.. the enthought guys are pretty badass. | 13:55 |
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| kanzure | lolwut? "Bryan Bishop will speak on "Downloadable Hardware." He is a pioneer of open manufacturing, do-it-yourself biohacking and DIY transhumanism." | 13:58 |
| kanzure | "Yes, H+ was heading down a path that didn't quite seem right, so I stepped down b/c I didn't have enough time to make sure things got back on the right track. You should run for a position if you have time. | 14:03 |
| kanzure | bleh.. maybe. | 14:03 |
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| kanzure | printcrime: http://craphound.com/000573.html#more | 14:34 |
| kanzure | a story by cory doctorow | 14:34 |
| genehacker | speaking of printers | 14:36 |
| genehacker | 3d printers suck | 14:36 |
| genehacker | they just suck | 14:36 |
| genehacker | it's really hard to get consistent results on them, and they have to be constantly tuned | 14:37 |
| kanzure | "o Michael Vassar, President, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence, Organizer of Singularity Summit, Founder and Chief Strategist at SirGroovy.com, an online music licensing firm" | 14:38 |
| kanzure | aha | 14:38 |
| kanzure | so his day job is pure evil | 14:38 |
| genehacker | right now the awesome printers I'm working with are spitting out parts that are as strong as eggshells | 14:39 |
| pmetzger | mmm... eggshells. | 14:39 |
| pmetzger | back later. | 14:39 |
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| uniqanomaly | genehacker, it's just beginning ;P | 14:40 |
| genehacker | yeah it is | 14:40 |
| genehacker | and that's the point | 14:40 |
| genehacker | 3d printer makers need to make printers designed for making real parts | 14:44 |
| uniqanomaly | what we really really need is AGI :F | 14:46 |
| genehacker | AGI? | 14:49 |
| uniqanomaly | artificial general intelligence | 14:49 |
| genehacker | why? | 14:49 |
| uniqanomaly | ultimate thinking machine :P | 14:49 |
| lepton | genehacker: what 3d printer machine are you using? | 14:50 |
| uniqanomaly | just compare any number of humans to something what is possibly so much more | 14:50 |
| genehacker | yeah we need it, but surely not for a thing like optimizing build parameters and consistency of prints for a 3d printer | 14:50 |
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| genehacker | an SLS one | 14:51 |
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| lepton | a commerical machine? | 14:51 |
| genehacker | a commercial machine | 14:51 |
| genehacker | that was advertized to make consistent parts... | 14:53 |
| lepton | Yeah, they all are | 14:53 |
| lepton | We had a lot of good results (strength wise) with a straysis (sp?) FDM machine | 14:54 |
| lepton | and have a BFB3000 coming here in a few weeks (it's more reprap style, but with a *hopefully* much better head) | 14:54 |
| genehacker | what did you build? | 14:54 |
| lepton | sensor housings for a company I used to work for | 14:55 |
| lepton | Held some PCBs, optics, cabling | 14:55 |
| lepton | It was strong enough to get tossed around, drop on the floor from a desk, etc, without issues | 14:55 |
| genehacker | we're building something that needs prints to be very consistent | 14:55 |
| genehacker | very consistent or people will die | 14:55 |
| lepton | If you've got money for outsourcing, there are some good companies out there | 14:56 |
| lepton | Protogenic I've worked with before | 14:56 |
| lepton | They've got a lot of different capabilities (SLA, FDM, yadda yadda yadda) | 14:56 |
| genehacker | we've got all of them and more | 14:57 |
| lepton | Have you thought about doing molding? i.e. machine an aluminum bold and do a hand or hydraulic driven injection molding | 14:57 |
| lepton | You can get it going for pretty cheap, less than $1k or so | 14:57 |
| lepton | You can pour epoxy parts for even cheaper | 14:57 |
| genehacker | we can 3d print superconductors or micro- nanometer scale chess pieces if we wanted too | 14:58 |
| genehacker | these parts we're making are impossible | 14:58 |
| lepton | What is it? | 14:58 |
| genehacker | something I am probably not allowed to divulge | 15:00 |
| lepton | Yeah, I figured ;P | 15:00 |
| genehacker | it's not a state secret or anything that cool, but I probably shouldn't divulge it | 15:01 |
| lepton | I understand, I do consulting for various companies that I can't talk about either | 15:01 |
| lepton | Though I strongly prefer to be doing open source stuff | 15:01 |
| lepton | I like to blabber on freely | 15:02 |
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| genehacker | actually it is pretty cool if it works out | 15:09 |
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| fenn | looks like quite the conference.. 15 minute talks are good | 15:22 |
| fenn | going back tomorrow? | 15:22 |
| kanzure | haven't decided, i need some recharge time from today | 15:23 |
| kanzure | (i am doing a third presentation in a few minutes for singularity studies at rutgers) | 15:23 |
| fenn | at scipy? | 15:23 |
| kanzure | what? | 15:23 |
| fenn | is this a lightning talk thing | 15:23 |
| kanzure | no, i'm at home | 15:23 |
| kanzure | singularity studies is a rutgers class | 15:23 |
| kanzure | and i'm teaching it tonight | 15:24 |
| fenn | it's an online class? or you're at rutgers (isnt that in massachussets?) | 15:24 |
| kanzure | it's an online class | 15:24 |
| kanzure | i'm having some trouble at the moment, actually.. | 15:24 |
| kanzure | last week i was able to log into the class | 15:24 |
| kanzure | it required some crafty hacking | 15:24 |
| kanzure | basically it's a java web start app in a .jnlp file | 15:24 |
| kanzure | and i got it to work perfectly well | 15:24 |
| kanzure | however, ellluminate has updated their software (i think) | 15:24 |
| kanzure | they should really, really NOT update their software in the middle of a course / summer | 15:25 |
| kanzure | so now it doesn't work with opendk | 15:25 |
| kanzure | openjdk | 15:25 |
| kanzure | so i've apt-get install sun-java-bin ... but uh, where are the binaries? O_o | 15:25 |
| kanzure | i guess there's: apt-file list sun-java-bin | 15:25 |
| kanzure | sun-java6-bin | 15:25 |
| kanzure | wahoo | 15:28 |
| kanzure | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javaws starts it without a hitch. | 15:28 |
| genehacker | what are you teaching at singularity university? | 15:31 |
| jcluck | rutgers is in new jersey | 15:31 |
| jcluck | (ew) | 15:31 |
| kanzure | genehacker: something about "Bryan Bishop will speak on "Downloadable Hardware." He is a pioneer of open manufacturing, do-it-yourself biohacking and DIY transhumanism." | 15:31 |
| kanzure | i dunno what 'downloadable hardware' is, but it sounds hawt | 15:32 |
| genehacker | stuff posted on thingiverse? | 15:32 |
| QuantumG | "Changing your opinion on something once someone else is paying the bills 101." :) | 15:32 |
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| kanzure | there's been this snail paying visits to my apartment lately | 15:50 |
| kanzure | and i've been playing around with it- like putting it down on the ground when it's trying to climb up a wall (wtf) | 15:51 |
| kanzure | but today i stepped on it while going outside :( | 15:51 |
| kanzure | not a very robust exoskeleton | 15:51 |
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| fenn | just dont step on the cat mkay? | 16:00 |
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| genehacker | perhaps you can clone it | 16:10 |
| genehacker | also I wonder if it's possible to make snails that extrude GFP slime | 16:10 |
| genehacker | also snails instinctively climb up stuff for some reason I can't remember | 16:11 |
| fenn | i cant figure out what made these people "spies" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10459664.stm | 16:15 |
| kanzure | russian citizenship and non-usa-citizenship? | 16:15 |
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| QuantumG | http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/r/russian_spy_ring_2010/index.html plenty of articles around explaining what they were doing | 16:18 |
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| ybit | kanzure: you wouldn't happen to have darlene cavalier's phone number would you? | 16:26 |
| ybit | she apparently wanted to talk on the phone, but i haven't heard from her | 16:26 |
| ybit | oh, there she is, nevermind | 16:26 |
| fenn | http://gawker.com/5575882/the-facebook-adventures-of-accused-russian-spy-mikhail-semenko here he is at a james bond themed party | 16:32 |
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| fenn | this guy must have a bacon/erdos number of like 3; apparently lots of people i know know him | 16:33 |
| QuantumG | they seemed to subscribe pretty heavily to the soft target philosophy | 16:37 |
| fenn | ah here we go, actual deeds http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Arlington-cash-drop-leads-to-arrest-of-alleged-Russian-spy-97432739.html | 16:38 |
| fenn | http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100630spy_suspect_linked_to_futurist_group/ | 16:43 |
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| fenn | http://web.archive.org/web/20080528075127/http://lifeboat.com/ex/bios.don.heathfield | 16:50 |
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| fenn | SPIES everywhere you look | 16:51 |
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| QuantumG | they're in your futurist group.. spying on your post-human masturbation | 16:56 |
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| bdesk | kanzure: are your scipy talks youtubed? | 17:06 |
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| fenn | i am sort of surprised by the number of russians i've met lately.. </idle musing> | 17:19 |
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| ybit | i got off the phone with darlene, she makes a distinction in citizen science and diybio | 17:28 |
| ybit | citizen science to her is simple data collecting or getting involved with nature projects such as monitoring fire flys whereas, to her, diybio is more technical and is for a different crowd | 17:30 |
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| fenn | i think there's a distinction between 'random data collection' 'experimentation' and 'engineering' | 18:18 |
| fenn | man i really out-convenienced myself with this database crap | 18:19 |
| fenn | now i get to point and click like a million times instead of search and replace in a text file | 18:19 |
| JayDugger | What do you mean "out-convenienced" and "database crap?" | 18:19 |
| fenn | and i can't just upload some yaml or whatever because i dont have access to the super duper secure database server, which is just storing these stupid reports | 18:20 |
| fenn | maybe i can hack in a backdoor for myself to upload yaml | 18:20 |
| JayDugger | You mean, "I find this database's user interface very inconvenient?" | 18:25 |
| fenn | yeah, the one i just wrote, and can't change :( | 18:39 |
| JayDugger | That stinks out loud. | 18:39 |
| bdesk | http://www.hplusmagazine.com/sites/default/files/images/ads/ad-omg-read-hplus.gif | 18:40 |
| fenn | i bet they think i'm a spy because i keep asking for access to the database server | 18:40 |
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| bdesk | whoever made this ad is genius | 18:40 |
| QuantumG | nice | 18:41 |
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| kanzure | bdesk: scipy talks were not recorded | 18:51 |
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| kanzure | ybit: 'citizen science' (if you google for it) is a lot of nature watching and participating in blah@home BOINC projects. | 18:52 |
| JayDugger | Not glamorous, but every little bit helps. | 18:52 |
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| AJollyLife | bdesk: i love that ad :) | 19:13 |
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| niftyzero | http://i.imgur.com/bFSLf.jpg | 20:14 |
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| ybit | nice pic niftyzero :) | 20:32 |
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| ybit | kanzure: i've never really thought about it, but i guess there is a distinction between citizen science and diy, one is more technically inclined while the other is just getting involved somehow in scientific work. both are important. perhaps the citizen science movement helps in maintaining a healthy scientific culture for the non-technical people.. | 20:43 |
| ybit | ah, fenn, just saw your message. yeah, there's a diff | 20:44 |
| jcluck | there is | 20:44 |
| jcluck | ybit, what was the distinction she made? | 20:44 |
| ybit | [13:22:30] <ybit> citizen science to her is simple data collecting or getting involved with nature projects such as monitoring fire flys whereas, to her, diybio is more technical and is for a different crowd | 20:44 |
| ybit | just as kanzure mentioned too | 20:45 |
| jcluck | ah | 20:45 |
| jcluck | yeah I was talking to her at h+ about that | 20:45 |
| jcluck | I think that the political comes out more in citizen science than it does in DIY Bio | 20:45 |
| jcluck | citizen scientists are doing (whatever) for reasons that make them feel like they're part of a larger movement of social justice or something | 20:46 |
| jcluck | DIY Bio does it more subtly and is definitely involved more in the technical aspects of building stuff | 20:46 |
| ybit | which if this is the case, then the previous h+ summit theme isn't appropriate, since citizen science isn't quite as interesting as the diy movement | 20:47 |
| jcluck | hehe | 20:47 |
| jcluck | exactly | 20:47 |
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| cluckj | I think they're related, but different | 20:47 |
| cluckj | citizen scientists are less technically savvy than diy bio-ers | 20:48 |
| ybit | citizen science might be a nice way to ease people into the technical diy communities | 20:48 |
| cluckj | yes | 20:48 |
| cluckj | what I've found is that most of the people in DIY Bio have technical degrees or backgrounds | 20:49 |
| ybit | yeah, her presentation mentioned a survey which stated this | 20:49 |
| cluckj | a vast majority of them have some kind of college education | 20:49 |
| cluckj | yep | 20:49 |
| cluckj | I was talking to her about how the data I've collected shows the same kinds of things | 20:50 |
| cluckj | and mac's diy bio survey showed it too | 20:50 |
| ybit | cluckj: do you have linkage to the data you collected? | 20:50 |
| cluckj | nope, it's not public yet | 20:51 |
| cluckj | I should be submitting it for publication later this year | 20:51 |
| ybit | oh, i know who you are now :-) | 20:52 |
| cluckj | uh oh :o | 20:52 |
| cluckj | haha | 20:52 |
| ybit | :D | 20:52 |
| ybit | i remember you mentioned this on the mailing list at some point | 20:53 |
| ybit | or it was mentioned by somebody else | 20:53 |
| cluckj | maybe | 20:53 |
| ybit | i might be wrong though | 20:53 |
| cluckj | most of my data is qualitative | 20:54 |
| cluckj | it needs to be written out in a narrative to make any sense at all :) | 20:54 |
| kanzure | http://www.codethinked.com/post/2007/12/06/The-Programmer-Dress-Code.aspx larry wall doesn't remind me of perl syntax | 20:57 |
| cluckj | the only time I was taking down numbers was in number of people, genders, ages, and a rough number of educational statuses | 20:57 |
| kanzure | i can't believe i just read what amounts to a "fashion article" on programmers | 20:59 |
| kanzure | "this year penguincon we see ESR is sporting a new 5 o'clock shadow.." | 20:59 |
| cluckj | hahaha | 21:00 |
| cluckj | get any new fashion ideas from the article kanzure? | 21:03 |
| kanzure | yeah, i'm considering taking a bat to my face and going freestyle | 21:05 |
| kanzure | dunno though | 21:05 |
| cluckj | word | 21:05 |
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| fenn | alan cox wins awesomest beard award | 21:26 |
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| fenn | any suggestions on adding arbitrary folksonomy tags to music files? | 22:54 |
| fenn | said files are mostly in mp3 format (though I think AAC is theoretically superior) | 22:54 |
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| * fenn tries once again to figure out wtf nepomuk is | 23:07 | |
| fenn | hum. "nepomuk id3 ontology contributors: Evgeny 'phreedom' Egorochkin, KDE Strigi Developer, stexx@mail.ru" | 23:10 |
| fenn | i havent seen him in a while | 23:11 |
| fenn | !seen phreedom | 23:11 |
| fenn | oh hi Phreedom_ | 23:11 |
| fenn | -_- | 23:12 |
| fenn | stupid bot | 23:12 |
| * fenn kicks gnusha | 23:12 | |
| Phreedom_ | ? | 23:14 |
| fenn | ah fuck it, maybe i should just cluster things by fft intervals | 23:14 |
| fenn | Phreedom_: i want to tag music 'dark' or 'ambient' or some such, know any tools to do that? | 23:15 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: depends on what you are going to do with the tags afterwards | 23:15 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: could as well use comment to store this | 23:16 |
| Phreedom_ | or nepomuk | 23:16 |
| fenn | ideally i'd search in my music player, but they all suck | 23:16 |
| Phreedom_ | it all depends | 23:16 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: then it's nepomuk+whatever happens to support it first | 23:16 |
| Phreedom_ | amarok planned some interop | 23:16 |
| Phreedom_ | or you can alreay use dolphin to search | 23:16 |
| fenn | yeah i dont think it went anywhere | 23:16 |
| fenn | dolphin searches id3 tags? | 23:16 |
| Phreedom_ | or there's a nicer search app coming in kde 4.6 | 23:17 |
| Phreedom_ | or bangarang which uses nepomuk | 23:17 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: dolphin searches whatever nepomuk has | 23:17 |
| Phreedom_ | which means id3 tags as well | 23:17 |
| Phreedom_ | "<fenn> yeah i dont think it went anywhere" <- what does this refer to? | 23:18 |
| fenn | hmm i could tag a sample, cluster everything, then try to automatically guess at names for each cluster | 23:18 |
| fenn | amarok <-> nepomuk integration | 23:18 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: it's a dilemma of being either a kde or a standalone app | 23:19 |
| Phreedom_ | or rather being a standalone kde app :) | 23:19 |
| fenn | http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Development/Nepomuk | 23:19 |
| fenn | not much there as you can see | 23:20 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: I think bangarang is much further along in supporting nepomuk | 23:20 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: actually it's based on it | 23:20 |
| Phreedom_ | already | 23:20 |
| Phreedom_ | but it's a much simpler player | 23:21 |
| Phreedom_ | one day amarok will wake up of course | 23:21 |
| Phreedom_ | I can't blame them for being slow tbh | 23:21 |
| fenn | ok i will try out bangarang. never liked amarok anyway | 23:21 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: but bangarang is sort of beta sw ;) | 23:21 |
| Phreedom_ | so you can expect rough edges | 23:22 |
| Phreedom_ | but then the same can be said about amarok :) | 23:22 |
| fenn | yep | 23:22 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: basically bangarang is free from legacy(including users who expect it to work :) ) and it's trying to use new stuff instead of trying to migrate old solutions | 23:23 |
| fenn | my expectation of legacy compliance died with xmms | 23:23 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: and asking devs of a project about their project is not the smartest thing cause devs always live in the fantasy land of "this will be fixed in a year" etc | 23:24 |
| Phreedom_ | *thing to do | 23:24 |
| Alystair | "Re-engineering Streptococcus for longer lasting Teeth" | 23:25 |
| Alystair | I need a more viral title | 23:25 |
| fenn | "Re-engineering Streptococcus for longer lasting Teeth, With Viruses (tm)" | 23:25 |
| QuantumG | Brighter Whiter Teeth Through Genetic Engineering! | 23:26 |
| fenn | except not really | 23:26 |
| Alystair | ... | 23:26 |
| Alystair | it's a bacteria... | 23:26 |
| Alystair | unless the virus was used as a method of modifying the bacteria, which isn't the case. | 23:26 |
| QuantumG | you're engineering the bacteria though right? | 23:26 |
| Alystair | well not me, someone else who's work was buried :P | 23:27 |
| Alystair | I'd kill to do it myself tho! | 23:27 |
| fenn | the kgb raided his lab to cover up this groundbreaking technology | 23:27 |
| fenn | spies everywhere | 23:27 |
| Alystair | fenn actually it was the Florida College of Dentistry | 23:28 |
| Alystair | but that's besides the point | 23:28 |
| QuantumG | I'd figure they did it to stop the British from getting good teeth | 23:28 |
| Alystair | this was done already back in 2002 with tests going on for 10 years | 23:28 |
| QuantumG | part of the ongoing east west dental health cold war | 23:28 |
| Alystair | only 3 people alive right now with the hacked mutans ;O | 23:28 |
| QuantumG | the British are clearly losing | 23:28 |
| fenn | i remember something a decade ago which bound to the same sites as streptococcus and so it wouldnt "stick" | 23:28 |
| Alystair | it's not something you can get genetically passed down... the best option would be getting in touch with the test subjects and getting a swab to create your own culture :) | 23:29 |
| Alystair | that could prove hard | 23:29 |
| Alystair | ANYWAY | 23:29 |
| fenn | what was "hacked" about it anyway? | 23:30 |
| fenn | silly me expecting there to be a package for nepomuk | 23:34 |
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| Alystair | so, can I genetically modify stuff in my house yet? | 23:42 |
| Alystair | I don't know anything about anything yet :P | 23:42 |
| Phreedom_ | fenn: nepomuk is packaged in all distros already | 23:49 |
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| Alystair | conspiracy thickens | 23:56 |
| Alystair | oh shit | 23:56 |
| Alystair | I was right | 23:57 |
| Alystair | I was about to send the paper's author an email and then I REALIZED SOMETHING EVIL | 23:57 |
| Alystair | this s.mutans modification is permanent... I was joking about "doing a Monsanto" in my email to him (haven't sent it yet).. now I find out he's the CSO for a certain bio company | 23:57 |
| fenn | but realizing things is so difficult and time consuming, i prefer to imagine things instead | 23:57 |
| fenn | Alystair: how permanent could it be? can't you just nuke your mouth with antibiotics and reintroduce wild-type (if you had some reason to want that) | 23:58 |
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