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| bdesk | kanzure: i think there are between 0 and 1000s of sequenced genomes, depending on what you call sequenced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sequenced_eukaryotic_genomes http://www.genome.gov/10002154 | 02:42 |
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| bdesk | it is possible to do interesting genetics research without sequencing a genome. | 02:42 |
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| Bruns | hai | 03:25 |
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| kanzure | via nicholas roberts: http://permaculture.tv/pathways-to-sustainable-self-governance-democratic-open-source-food-and-manufacturing-networks/ | 07:31 |
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| kanzure | "Have you ever compiled git from source? See the number of dependencies? It can't have a Windows client without puting a shitload of mingw32 dlls in the PATH. And since gcc can't behave itself when on Windows there are no manifest files anywhere and you can broke other applications compiled with a different version of mingw32. Install QtCreator and later install TortoiseGit to replicate this." | 07:39 |
| ENKI-][ | that's kind of funny | 07:40 |
| ENKI-][ | i compile git from source all the time | 07:40 |
| kanzure | "As of January 2009 there has only been one human feeding study conducted on the effects of genetically modified foods" wut? | 07:43 |
| kanzure | ENKI-][: on windows? | 07:43 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 07:53 |
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| ENKI-][ | kanzure: i don't compile anything on windows. i can't afford it | 07:57 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 08:20 |
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| kanzure | http://charlespax.com/2010/04/27/motorized-conveyor-belt-sneak-peek/ | 08:32 |
| kanzure | "Help DIYgenomics crowd-source clinical trials" guh? | 08:33 |
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| bdesk | kanzure: what is wrong with that? | 08:56 |
| kanzure | bdesk: the diygenomics quote? nothing | 08:57 |
| kanzure | just news to me :) | 08:57 |
| kanzure | also i make lots of weird sounds (guh, buh, meh, bleh, blah, eh, aroo, ..) | 08:57 |
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| bdesk | what exactly is a crowd sourced clinical trial? | 09:06 |
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| kanzure | good question. uh.. | 09:06 |
| bdesk | do not all clinical trials use crowds? | 09:06 |
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| kanzure | well, a quick google shows that some of it just means "using the web to get participants for the clinical trial" | 09:06 |
| kanzure | (recruitment) | 09:07 |
| bdesk | what do they usually use? | 09:08 |
| bdesk | junk mail? random telephone calls? | 09:08 |
| kanzure | hm. http://openthoughtspace.pbworks.com/Personal-Genome-Analysis | 09:09 |
| AJollyLife | bdesk: subway ads | 09:09 |
| kanzure | bdesk: dunno, that's a good question | 09:09 |
| AJollyLife | used to see them all the time when i was living in chicago | 09:09 |
| kanzure | as far as i know, clinical trials most often acquire participants who are in need of some cash | 09:09 |
| AJollyLife | never got a single phone call or mailing, but i saw the ads all the time riding public transportation | 09:09 |
| kanzure | usually via flyers on the street | 09:09 |
| kanzure | yes | 09:09 |
| kanzure | also, on occassion there are ads on cable television for the we-really-need-something-obscure like a particular type of schizophrenia patient | 09:10 |
| bdesk | so the people in clinical trials ride public transportation and watch non-prime-time cable television. | 09:12 |
| ENKI-][ | this is a terrible audience. | 09:13 |
| kanzure | bdesk: http://www.socialwish.com/wish/4-diygenomics-crowd-sourced-clinical-trials | 09:13 |
| ENKI-][ | you would get a more representative sample posting clinical trial ads on /b/ | 09:13 |
| kanzure | so, melanie is asking for $72.75 to fund one person's "clinical trial" for diygenomics? | 09:14 |
| kanzure | apparently diygenomics is a "startup"? | 09:14 |
| kanzure | "More information about Thermotyp, our Open Source PCR Machine | 09:15 |
| kanzure | http://otyp.es/videos " | 09:15 |
| kanzure | http://vimeo.com/12330301 "What makes traditional themal cyclers so expensive (and what is Otyp doing differently)?" | 09:16 |
| kanzure | " James from Otyp gives a little more detail about what makes conventional PCR machines (thermal cyclers) so expensive, and how using open technologies, and mass produced parts designed to be used with traditional computers, Otyp is going to be making Thermotyp, an open source PCR machine. " | 09:16 |
| kanzure | this is from the same group doing the "hello world" synthetic biology thing on kickstarter (it hasn't been getting any money, though) | 09:16 |
| kanzure | http://otyp.es/ | 09:16 |
| kanzure | http://kck.st/8YAkI3 | 09:17 |
| kanzure | thermotyp block v004 http://thingiverse.com/thing:3240 | 09:18 |
| kanzure | " The most recent edition of Otyp's open source PCR machine block, Thermotyp. Follow the development of Thermotyp through kickstarter or on otyp.es " | 09:18 |
| kanzure | looks like it's just a tube holder.. but at least they have some files released | 09:19 |
| kanzure | " Block2 v004.igs " | 09:19 |
| kanzure | holy fuck! an IGES file! | 09:19 |
| kanzure | this guy just became my best friend | 09:19 |
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| kanzure | hm.. genome_Andrew_Hessel_Full_20100702181249.txt.zip | 10:08 |
| fenn | you made a test tube holder at one point, forget why.. http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2311 | 10:08 |
| kanzure | you? | 10:09 |
| fenn | should be redone in openscad i think | 10:09 |
| kanzure | i had this terrible idea about an hour ago | 10:10 |
| fenn | from the otyp.es guy | 10:10 |
| fenn | i don't make anything anymore :( | 10:10 |
| * fenn pushes some bits around | 10:10 | |
| kanzure | the idea was to make an in-browser openscad-like javascript thingy with raphaeljs | 10:10 |
| fenn | yarr, get in there, bits! | 10:11 |
| kanzure | http://raphaeljs.com/scape/ it seems capable | 10:11 |
| kanzure | the rendering would be with svg | 10:11 |
| fenn | why not opengl? | 10:11 |
| kanzure | a right-hand side for typing out javascript stuff (my_sphere.blah) | 10:11 |
| kanzure | do you mean webgl? | 10:11 |
| fenn | whateverthefuckgl | 10:11 |
| kanzure | the only browser that supports webgl is like chrome on windows | 10:11 |
| fenn | java3d then | 10:12 |
| fenn | or just send a friggin screenshot every 2 seconds | 10:12 |
| bdesk | kanzure: soon everything will be in the browser. also inside facebook, probably. | 10:12 |
| kanzure | fenn: right | 10:12 |
| fenn | let's start a secret group inside facebook that you have to join in order to look at any of the content | 10:13 |
| fenn | then invite people to lots of parties, but only give them links to this group | 10:13 |
| kanzure | huh? why? | 10:14 |
| kanzure | doesn't that make us assholes? | 10:14 |
| fenn | kanzure did you ever check out the sage interactive web notebook? | 10:14 |
| fenn | (yes) | 10:14 |
| kanzure | no but i saw something similar before so i just assumed.. | 10:14 |
| bdesk | sagenb.org | 10:14 |
| bdesk | Sage is awesome. | 10:15 |
| bdesk | kanzure: add this to your omnibase: [bdesk: "Sage"] | 10:15 |
| kanzure | check this out: http://2.latest.sympy-gamma.appspot.com/nb/ | 10:15 |
| kanzure | http://sagenb.org/ seems to complain about a proxy error | 10:16 |
| bdesk | i actually like sympy more because it is less than a gigabyte to install. | 10:16 |
| bdesk | kanzure: works for me | 10:17 |
| kanzure | this sympy-notebook thing would be way better if it took a clue from etherpad | 10:18 |
| kanzure | and then was based on R instead (or something) | 10:18 |
| kanzure | so that you get mathematicians doing collaborative math proofs/theorems/etc. in an understandable syntax | 10:18 |
| bdesk | no, sympy is good. it can maintain the math in symbolic form like mathematica and unlike R. but only to a limited degree. | 10:18 |
| kanzure | right | 10:19 |
| kanzure | i guess i was referencing the large number of libraries available via CRAN | 10:19 |
| bdesk | i think there are R web thingies. but they are probably full of bobby tableses | 10:19 |
| bdesk | http://www.math.montana.edu/Rweb/ | 10:20 |
| kanzure | now warp it with etherpad, pastebin and a mathematica notebook :P | 10:20 |
| kanzure | well, not a mathematica notebook | 10:20 |
| bdesk | kanzure: how did you find the sympy notepad? the planet sympy blog is down. | 10:21 |
| kanzure | since that tries to preserve traditional math syntax | 10:21 |
| kanzure | bdesk: i'm on the sympy-dev mailing list | 10:21 |
| bdesk | ah | 10:21 |
| bdesk | isn't google wave supposed to own all this? | 10:22 |
| kanzure | supposedly. | 10:22 |
| fenn | wave never had anything to do with math | 10:24 |
| kanzure | fenn: the collaborative, interactive aspect thing | 10:24 |
| fenn | oh. i thought the point of the web notebook was so you didnt have to install a gigabyte of dependencies | 10:24 |
| kanzure | it is, but it would be even more helpful if you could share your current notebook state with ohters | 10:25 |
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| bdesk | i do this with my collaborators; i use cgi web programming and they use email. | 10:28 |
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| fenn | me too; i use awesomesauce and they use weaksauce | 10:35 |
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| jrayhawk | kanzure: Is there something like the Open Source Definition or the DSFG published for hardware designs? | 11:11 |
| jrayhawk | It seems like that such a thing would help with your "nobody has any idea what 'open' means" problem | 11:13 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: no, there isn't | 11:23 |
| kanzure | and i do agree something like the DSFG doc is desperately needed | 11:23 |
| kanzure | i talked with some lawyers, and they suggested the traditional "working group" model | 11:23 |
| kanzure | in particular for scenario planning | 11:23 |
| kanzure | and then once we bundle up the scenarios, we can make some generalized statements | 11:24 |
| bdesk | what is an example of a scenario? someone wants to make a startup with your microfluidic techs? | 11:24 |
| kanzure | bdesk: example is: joe makes an "open source hardware" project for a thermocycler, sells a few kits that he throws together | 11:25 |
| kanzure | then, amy comes along and starts selling kits as well with the same designs | 11:25 |
| kanzure | i want that to be possible | 11:25 |
| kanzure | but there are variations on this scenario, like, amy makes some modifications, and then *doesn't* distribute the designs | 11:25 |
| kanzure | or where amy doesn't distribute designs at all (even when she doesn't modify the designs) | 11:25 |
| bdesk | so that would be ok if she is not distributing the modified techs, right? | 11:26 |
| kanzure | that=? | 11:26 |
| bdesk | that=amy makes some modifications and then doesnt distribute the deisngs. | 11:26 |
| kanzure | ah, i see | 11:26 |
| kanzure | right, that's how it goes with open source software too | 11:27 |
| kanzure | (in general) | 11:27 |
| bdesk | yes that is the analogy i was thinking of | 11:27 |
| kanzure | amy makes some mods to the designs, builds her own hardware for herself, but doesn't distribute the changes/diff.. that's fine as far as i can tell | 11:27 |
| kanzure | but if it goes commercial, that's when things get messy | 11:27 |
| bdesk | what if it is in her garage | 11:28 |
| kanzure | so anyway, this sort of scenario planning is what i think we should do | 11:28 |
| bdesk | ok | 11:28 |
| kanzure | what if what is in her garage? | 11:28 |
| kanzure | her piece of hardware that she builds? | 11:28 |
| bdesk | nvm | 11:28 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: how does ikiwiki protect against spam attacks? | 11:29 |
| bdesk | kanzure: there is this on the reprap forum http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?58,40874 | 11:31 |
| bdesk | 'gpl for hardware is bad | 11:31 |
| bdesk | ' | 11:31 |
| jrayhawk | You have the option of requiring a per-wiki password for signup, which you can creatively turn into a turing test by stuffing it somewhere obvious. | 11:34 |
| kanzure | yeah, they're just pointing out that the gpl isn't really compatible | 11:34 |
| kanzure | bdesk: in that thread they suggest TAPR or CC but that just shows that they don't know the situation all that well.. | 11:34 |
| jrayhawk | For Piny I just make the account creation procedure sufficiently complicated and obscure that spammers are unlikely to try. | 11:34 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: your anti-spam measures don't look good :( | 11:35 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, I might fix that someday. Maybe. | 11:35 |
| kanzure | "As far as I can tell, nothing currently legally prevents someone from withholding the hardware design files, when they modify and making electronics, mechanical parts, and kits for, or like, RepRap devices for sale or donation to others." | 11:35 |
| kanzure | "Even more, if they should write their own software and documentation, from the way I read RepRap licensing, they can feel free to create their own fully proprietary RepRap machines so long as they don't call it a RepRap; in fact, I believe this has already been done, has it not? " | 11:36 |
| kanzure | "Ah. My point is that it is the responsibility of the FLOSS-legal community to address this matter. I believe RMS can fix the GPL so that it does address hardware. address" | 11:36 |
| kanzure | ^ now that's definitely wrong | 11:36 |
| jrayhawk | I don't actually have world-writable wikis implemented yet, but that might come soon. | 11:36 |
| bdesk | oh, i would have thought the reprap group could make a good license. | 11:37 |
| bdesk | or find one or whatever. | 11:37 |
| kanzure | this explains it well: " | 11:37 |
| kanzure | "Any material that can be copyrighted can be licensed under the GPL. GPLv3 can also be used to license materials covered by other copyright-like laws, such as semiconductor masks. So, as an example, you can release a drawing of a hardware design under the GPL." | 11:37 |
| kanzure | "However, if someone used that information to create physical hardware, they would have no license obligations when distributing or selling that device: it falls outside the scope of copyright and thus the GPL itself." | 11:37 |
| bdesk | kanzure: ok so GPL itself is not directly useable for the hardware in a way that satisfies your scenarios. but are the goals for reprap licensing the same as your hardware licensing goals? | 11:38 |
| kanzure | yes absolutely | 11:40 |
| kanzure | sebastien baillard has been in here a few times in the past | 11:40 |
| kanzure | "From how I interpret the OHL, the intent is to restrict your ability to distribute the hardware devices by licensing the use of copyrighted material used to make that device" | 11:41 |
| kanzure | "You are not allowed to modify or use a copy of copyrighted material to produce hardware unless you include that copyrighted material and the modifications you make. In this sense, OHL is still leveraging copyright law. I'm not sure there is enough precident to say whether this can be enforced. " | 11:41 |
| jrayhawk | Did you want me to set up an ikiwiki on Gnusha for you to play with? | 11:41 |
| kanzure | ehh | 11:41 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i'm trying to figure out if that's a good idea or not | 11:42 |
| jrayhawk | I assume you don't *really* want a world writable wiki, and handing out access credentials on an individual basis is more in line with your trust model. | 11:43 |
| kanzure | bdesk: look at the last post in that thread (on page 2) | 11:44 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: my internal trust model is about as fucked up as .. well, it's just all broken, to say the least | 11:45 |
| bdesk | i dont know what is om or dman | 11:45 |
| kanzure | dman is a typo | 11:45 |
| kanzure | om is http://openmanufacturing.org/ | 11:45 |
| kanzure | or more specifically http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing | 11:45 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patentleft | 12:55 |
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| kanzure | jonathan cline is asking me for $10k/mo for 4 years with an early termination clause | 12:59 |
| kanzure | he sounds expensive :) | 12:59 |
| kanzure | "The 1931 regulations abolished the private ownership of intellectual property rights. Instead of being able to independently exploit her invention in a commercial way, the inventor now received a nominal remuneration in exchange for permanently assigning her invention and the accompanying intellectual property rights to the state." | 13:03 |
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| cluckj | that's pretty expensive | 13:03 |
| cluckj | don't you get a brothers-in-arms discount? | 13:03 |
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| kanzure | http://www.africafocus.org/docs04/wipo0411.php the world intellectual property organization | 13:10 |
| kanzure | "# Private interests misappropriate social and public goods, and lock up the public domain. " | 13:10 |
| kanzure | i would have guessed something named WIPO would be *for* IP | 13:10 |
| kanzure | "A 1967 Convention sought to encourage creative activity by establishing WIPO to promote the protection of intellectual property. The mission was expanded in 1974, when WIPO became part of the United Nations, under an agreement that asked WIPO to take "appropriate action to promote creative intellectual activity," and facilitate the transfer of technology to developing countries, "in order to accelerate economic, social and cultural developme | 13:11 |
| kanzure | "As an intergovernmental organization, however, WIPO embraced a culture of creating and expanding monopoly privileges, often without regard to consequences." | 13:11 |
| kanzure | ah, nevermind. | 13:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.wipo.int/ip-development/en/dacd.html "Development Agenda Coordination Division (DACD)" | 13:13 |
| kanzure | guess they just setup a separate part of their group to handle argentina's claims :P | 13:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.futureofwipo.org/futureofwipodeclaration.html | 13:16 |
| kanzure | interesting list of signatures: http://www.futureofwipo.org/signatures.html | 13:16 |
| kanzure | lessig, doctorow, .. and lots of other random names | 13:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.idrc.ca/openebooks/454-3/ Implementing WIPO's Development Agenda | 13:21 |
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| fenn | and now you know why pcb/chip etch patterns are called 'artwork' | 13:31 |
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| kanzure | http://biohouston.org/ | 13:46 |
| kanzure | makerbot on cbs news: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20009744-501465.html | 13:48 |
| kanzure | someone wants to know the makerbot stock ticker symbol: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100705182337AAhBY6S | 13:48 |
| fenn | they aren't a public company afaik | 13:49 |
| kanzure | right | 13:49 |
| kanzure | hm the question on yahoo answers was from two days ago | 13:49 |
| fenn | hype is always a good investment, until it's not | 13:49 |
| kanzure | so i suspect it was unrelated to CBS News | 13:49 |
| kanzure | singinst.org will be releasing the software i worked on in 2008 under the gpl tomorrow | 13:53 |
| kanzure | for http://theuncertainfuture.com/ | 13:53 |
| fenn | why do it tomorrow when you can do it today? :) | 13:53 |
| kanzure | they had to ask the contributors (like me) if we were all ok with the licensing | 13:54 |
| kanzure | so they gave a deadline for responses to be collected | 13:54 |
| fenn | didnt you steal some code from some webpage? | 13:54 |
| kanzure | they ended up not using it | 13:54 |
| kanzure | and instead some java developer (rolf) got involved | 13:54 |
| kanzure | so, of course, everything switched to java.. | 13:54 |
| fenn | ewww | 13:54 |
| kanzure | get this: we (by we i mean everyone else but me in the group) were thinking of applying to ycombinator :/ | 13:55 |
| kanzure | for that project | 13:55 |
| fenn | sure, applying is fine. i hope they didnt expect anything to come of it though | 13:55 |
| kanzure | we had probability distributions of our certainty of getting accepted to yc and everything! | 13:55 |
| fenn | was it just like 'omg we're in silicon valley 111' | 13:56 |
| kanzure | no it was more like anna/steve drawing graphs to prove how smart they were and that yc would thus let them in | 13:56 |
| kanzure | or something | 13:56 |
| fenn | well, it's not a university | 13:57 |
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| kanzure | ah here's the paper on theuncertainfuture.com | 14:01 |
| kanzure | http://singinst.org/theuncertainfuture.html | 14:01 |
| kanzure | hm i wonder why i didn't get on that paper | 14:01 |
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| Bruns | anyone wanna donate 18 hundred? | 15:19 |
| Bruns | :3 | 15:19 |
| Bruns | lol | 15:28 |
| Bruns | I am about to make 900 dollars from one computer | 15:28 |
| Bruns | haha | 15:28 |
| Bruns | and its a compaq | 15:29 |
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| Bruns | http://000chan.org/news.php | 17:45 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:56 |
| bkero | http://gizmodo.com/5581377/solid+state-systems-could-sequence-a-genome-for-100?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+(Gizmodo)&utm_content=Google+Reader | 18:07 |
| * kanzure nods | 18:12 | |
| kanzure | bkero: have you seen the AFM-DNA-sequencing papers? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | oh wait, this is a nanopore article | 18:13 |
| bkero | Yea | 18:13 |
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| kanzure | wut? http://openfarmtech.org/index.php/OSE_License | 18:23 |
| kanzure | that was from http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=2012 | 18:25 |
| kanzure | drill press: http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=2037 | 18:25 |
| kanzure | somehow michael koch convinced marcin to use openpario :( | 18:25 |
| kanzure | http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu/projects/drillpress/documents | 18:25 |
| kanzure | the original replab blog post: http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1254 | 18:26 |
| Bruns | food backed currency? won't work in Ethiopia that is for sure. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | here's the dxf file: http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu/attachments/2227/drill_press_v0.1.dxf | 18:26 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure how the "OSE License" is a license.. | 18:26 |
| JayDugger | Why complain about open+pario? | 18:28 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: it's yet another "project management" suite-on-a-website | 18:28 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, so/ | 18:28 |
| kanzure | uh | 18:28 |
| JayDugger | s/\//? | 18:28 |
| kanzure | why not just put the files under a standard revision control system | 18:28 |
| JayDugger | Seriously? | 18:28 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | I think that would work better, but it lies pretty far from current practice. | 18:29 |
| kanzure | google wave seems to be doing it (er, or do they have some proprietary bullshit under the hood?) | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | Too big a change in tools, regardless of advantage, deters adoption. | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | MS Project sucks eggs, but it, like the rest of office, remains a common vice. | 18:30 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: openpario was pitched as a competitor to an skdb-on-the-web thing | 18:30 |
| JayDugger | Oh? | 18:30 |
| kanzure | frankly it seems completely inappropriate for the task at hand | 18:30 |
| JayDugger | I didn't know that. | 18:31 |
| kanzure | well, openpario didn't originate like that | 18:31 |
| kanzure | but i mean, that's how it was injected into the openmanufacturing community as far as i can tell | 18:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: i forget, what was marcin's understanding of dependency resolution as being a priority? | 18:31 |
| Bruns | I know what you all wanna do | 18:32 |
| Bruns | is donate to my site :D | 18:32 |
| JayDugger | Hmm... | 18:38 |
| JayDugger | http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu/projects/foodcommonshydro | 18:38 |
| JayDugger | That intrigues me. | 18:38 |
| JayDugger | I wonder if it works well with salt-water hydroponics. | 18:39 |
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| kanzure | is there anything on it on the appropedia page | 18:40 |
| JayDugger | UNK--FF is slow. | 18:40 |
| JayDugger | Not really. | 18:42 |
| JayDugger | A superficial glance--rainwater collection for hydroponics. | 18:42 |
| JayDugger | Not too helpful. | 18:42 |
| JayDugger | It would be different if I had some real estate, but I don't. | 18:44 |
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| Alystair | god I really wish I had a topic summizer for IRC so I wouldn't have the urge to go check what's been talked about in the last X minutes/hours | 19:02 |
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| kanzure | Alystair: you could just uh, ask people | 19:28 |
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| Alystair | but I thought you were a fan of automation | 19:41 |
| kanzure | i am :) just, sometimes you abuse other people until they spontaneously turn into programs | 19:48 |
| kanzure | or something | 19:48 |
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| kanzure | wb quantumkat | 19:49 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:51 |
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| fenn | Alystair: you could run a k-means clustering on the last n lines and only return a cluster name or statistically improbable phrases | 20:43 |
| kanzure | < P3P: CP="This is not a P3P policy! See http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=151657 for more info." | 20:55 |
| kanzure | hrm | 20:56 |
| kanzure | fenn: i think it would be fun to run statistically improbable phrases over the logs | 20:56 |
| cluckj | something like fishtastic or flippymagig | 20:56 |
| kanzure | if curl doesn't support P3P i'm going to be pissed | 20:58 |
| kanzure | well my youtube scraper didn't work out as planned | 21:45 |
| kanzure | weird cookie rerouting stuff going on | 21:45 |
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| genehacker | why are you trying to scrape youtube? | 22:04 |
| bdesk | for its insightful comments | 22:05 |
| AJollyLife | i do belive this is the first ive ever heard someone say youtube and insightful comments together. | 22:09 |
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