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| kanzure | http://humanityplus.org/2010/07/presidential-commission-on-bioethics/ | 05:18 |
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| kanzure | Making humas smarter via cognitive enhancers (part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnAyTpDixpU | 05:20 |
| kanzure | Making humas smarter via cognitive enhancers (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg63KHFQ-ds | 05:20 |
| kanzure | Making humas smarter via cognitive enhancers (part 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwtACUhwCq0 | 05:20 |
| kanzure | *humans | 05:20 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDaXNZ670Os natasha vita-more talking about diyhplus at 1;54 | 05:23 |
| kanzure | 1:54 | 05:25 |
| augur | kanzure, any suggestions for northpaw-esque devices? | 05:28 |
| splicer | my biopunk logo shows up 1.50 in the clip | 05:29 |
| augur | splicer: you're famous! | 05:30 |
| splicer | ...rite | 05:33 |
| augur | :P | 05:33 |
| kanzure | splicer: and she attributes the creation of 'biopunk' to you :P | 05:34 |
| splicer | really? | 05:34 |
| kanzure | it sounded like it | 05:35 |
| augur | NVM has always seemed a bit .. i dont know. | 05:35 |
| kanzure | her prime was in the 70s, when she did her best work on transhumanism | 05:35 |
| kanzure | unfortunately, nobody remembers it | 05:35 |
| kanzure | 70s or 80s | 05:35 |
| kanzure | i.e., on television shows all the time :P | 05:36 |
| augur | she just seems more like an artist trying to grasp at something that isn't art | 05:36 |
| kanzure | this guy would tell you that his body is in fact art: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3uPwmMPXqU | 05:37 |
| augur | oh im sure | 05:37 |
| kanzure | so how could you say it's not art, then? | 05:38 |
| augur | transhumanism is more than just art | 05:38 |
| augur | and im not sure that transhumanism in total /is/ art | 05:38 |
| augur | some may take their own acts as art, but that doesn | 05:38 |
| augur | doesn't make the whole of it art | 05:38 |
| kanzure | so what? | 05:39 |
| augur | there is no so what | 05:39 |
| kanzure | that's not much of a supporting argument to what you were previously saying :P | 05:39 |
| kanzure | it's fairly unrelated | 05:39 |
| augur | uh | 05:39 |
| augur | no, its quite related | 05:39 |
| kanzure | "she just seems like an artist trying to grasp at something that isn't art" | 05:40 |
| augur | transhumanism isnt art, NVM seems more like an artist trying to grasp something that isn't art | 05:40 |
| kanzure | then you claim "doesn't make the whole as art" | 05:40 |
| augur | there's nothing complicated about what i said here | 05:40 |
| kanzure | but it's completely full of shit and unrelated | 05:40 |
| kanzure | who cares if it is or is not art entirely? | 05:40 |
| augur | nonsense | 05:40 |
| kanzure | and what does that have to do with NVM as an artist? | 05:40 |
| augur | what do you mean what does it have to do | 05:41 |
| kanzure | the two statements are unrelated and "what does it have to do" is a request for clarification from you | 05:41 |
| augur | do you understand english? | 05:41 |
| augur | or are you just fucking with me | 05:41 |
| kanzure | hahah | 05:41 |
| kanzure | so look | 05:42 |
| kanzure | transhumanism as a whole isn't just an art | 05:42 |
| kanzure | nvm is an artist | 05:42 |
| augur | yes, i know this | 05:42 |
| kanzure | these two facts do not lead up to "transhumanism is not art at all" | 05:42 |
| augur | i didnt say that | 05:42 |
| augur | you're making things up | 05:43 |
| kanzure | okay. | 05:43 |
| kanzure | 07:36 < augur> she just seems more like an artist trying to grasp at something that isn't art | 05:44 |
| kanzure | 07:38 < augur> transhumanism is more than just art | 05:44 |
| augur | yes? and? | 05:44 |
| kanzure | okay so first you say it isn't art | 05:44 |
| augur | maybe you dont understand what the word "seems" means | 05:44 |
| kanzure | and then you say it is more than art | 05:44 |
| augur | no, i DIDNT say its not art | 05:44 |
| kanzure | "trying to grasp at something that isn't art" | 05:44 |
| augur | i said she SEEMS like an artist who is trying to grasp something that ISNT art | 05:44 |
| kanzure | anyway, the descrepancy in those two comments threw me off | 05:44 |
| augur | there is no discrepancy | 05:44 |
| kanzure | uh.. "something that isn't art" and "is more than just art" | 05:44 |
| augur | "seems" | 05:45 |
| kanzure | "appears" | 05:45 |
| augur | yes, and? | 05:45 |
| augur | if X seems like Y, does that mean X _is_ Y? | 05:45 |
| augur | no | 05:45 |
| augur | does it mean Y is true at all? no | 05:46 |
| augur | not necessarily of the thing in question, anyway | 05:46 |
| augur | "It seems like it's bigger than it actually is" doesnt mean "it" IS bigger than it actually is | 05:46 |
| augur | that would make no sense | 05:46 |
| augur | but it SEEMS like it | 05:46 |
| augur | well she SEEMS like an artist who's trying to understand something thats not art | 05:46 |
| augur | that doesnt mean that she IS an artist trying to grasp something thats not art | 05:47 |
| augur | she just SEEMS like one | 05:47 |
| kanzure | uhuh. okay. | 05:47 |
| augur | her whole presentation of transhumanism has always seemed more like the presentations of scientific research by artists who don't really understand the research | 05:48 |
| kanzure | oh hm this isn't the first time i've had trouble communicating with you | 05:48 |
| augur | in style, that is | 05:48 |
| augur | what are you talking about | 05:49 |
| augur | im pretty sure ive never seen you outside of this channel | 05:49 |
| kanzure | don't fret- i was only checking the logs | 05:49 |
| augur | when did we ever have trouble communicating before | 05:49 |
| augur | ive never seen you before yesterday! | 05:49 |
| augur | or the day before. whenever it was i came in here for the first time | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 17:50 < kanzure> augur: what projects are you interested in? | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 17:59 < bdesk> augur: scrapers for pyscholar | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:00 < augur> oh hey sorry | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:00 < augur> anything really. i love this eh | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:00 < augur> north paw, thats it | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:00 < augur> adorable thing, it is | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:01 < kanzure> bdesk: i am confused. :/ what just happened? | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:02 < bdesk> kanzure: wta first google hit is womens tennis association. and they don't allow vuvuzelas at tennis matches. | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:02 < kanzure> bdesk: http://transhumanism.org/ is WTA | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:02 < augur> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZBZBZZZBZZZZZZZZZZBZZZZZZZZZ | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:02 < augur> UNGH | 05:50 |
| kanzure | 18:02 * augur hits ball | 05:50 |
| kanzure | total failure in communication :( | 05:50 |
| augur | where? | 05:50 |
| augur | there was no intent to communicate with the stuff i said at 18:02 | 05:51 |
| kanzure | the whole "i am confused what just happened thing" was commenting about how your messages made no sense | 05:51 |
| kanzure | wtf? then why were you.. | 05:51 |
| augur | ah, well, i thought you were talking to bdesk | 05:51 |
| kanzure | well, actually, i was primarily talking about pre-18:02 | 05:51 |
| augur | right | 05:51 |
| kanzure | but 18:02 doesn't make sense either | 05:51 |
| augur | the 18:02 stuff was a joke about tennis and vuvuzelas | 05:51 |
| kanzure | anyway, it's not important | 05:51 |
| augur | do you get bdesk's reference to vuvuzela's at tennis matches? | 05:52 |
| kanzure | yes, but it's irrelevant | 05:52 |
| augur | so? | 05:52 |
| augur | i was making a joke about it | 05:52 |
| augur | lets step back what i said pre-18:02 | 05:52 |
| augur | what was confusing about it | 05:52 |
| augur | and why did you ask bdesk what just happened | 05:52 |
| kanzure | how it doesn't seem to answer my question at all | 05:53 |
| augur | you asked what projects i was interested in | 05:53 |
| augur | i gave you an example of one | 05:53 |
| kanzure | what's the example? | 05:53 |
| augur | north paw! | 05:53 |
| kanzure | north paw is a thing? | 05:53 |
| augur | http://sensebridge.net/projects/northpaw/ | 05:53 |
| kanzure | is this it? http://sensebridge.net/projects/northpaw/ | 05:53 |
| kanzure | okay. | 05:53 |
| kanzure | makes more sense now. | 05:53 |
| augur | the failure of communication was at your end | 05:53 |
| kanzure | before it sounded like you were just brunsgenus making another appearance to troll the channel | 05:53 |
| augur | you shouldn't have asked bdesk what was going on | 05:54 |
| augur | you should have asked ME | 05:54 |
| kanzure | maybe :) | 05:54 |
| augur | not maybe | 05:54 |
| augur | you didnt even indicate that you didnt understand what _i_ said | 05:54 |
| augur | if anything, bdesk said something confusing | 05:54 |
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| augur | i mean, what does "scrapers for psycholar" mean? | 05:54 |
| kanzure | no, scrapers-for-pyscholar makes a lot of sense (to me) | 05:54 |
| augur | well not to me | 05:54 |
| augur | but i didnt care, i ignored it | 05:55 |
| kanzure | do you know what a scraper is in the context of scholarly literature? | 05:55 |
| augur | instead of asking some third person what the hell just happened | 05:55 |
| kanzure | you should have | 05:55 |
| kanzure | because there are pyscholar devs in here | 05:55 |
| augur | why would i ask a third person | 05:55 |
| augur | i dont even know what psycolar is | 05:55 |
| augur | nor what a scraper is, no | 05:55 |
| kanzure | and i didn't know what northpaw was | 05:55 |
| kanzure | how is this any different? | 05:55 |
| augur | well you should've asked! | 05:55 |
| * kanzure shakes his head | 05:55 | |
| kanzure | are you from #math? | 05:55 |
| augur | its different because you apparently /wanted to know/ | 05:55 |
| augur | i didnt care what scrapers for psycholar meant. YOU cared what _I_ meant | 05:56 |
| augur | no, i'm not from #math | 05:56 |
| augur | you are | 05:56 |
| augur | i eman, i lurk in #math, but i dont actually talk XD | 05:56 |
| augur | im only in there to harass kasadkad | 05:56 |
| augur | so, with all the confusion put behind us! | 05:57 |
| augur | i return to my original question | 05:57 |
| augur | any good suggestions for northpaw-esque devices | 05:57 |
| kanzure | i don't have anything off the top of my head, but fenn and utopiah will | 05:58 |
| augur | well then i shall ask them | 05:59 |
| augur | or wait for them to ping-reply | 05:59 |
| kanzure | ping-reply is likely, yes | 06:00 |
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| JayDugger1 | Good morning, everyone. | 07:04 |
| augur | hello | 07:07 |
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| fenn | augur: all i know of for sale is sensebridge.com | 07:57 |
| augur | well i dont care about for sale | 07:57 |
| augur | im just looking for stuff like northpaw that i could build | 07:57 |
| fenn | oh, hm, well you could download and build everything for northpaw http://sensebridge.net/projects/northpaw/northpaw-downloads/ | 08:03 |
| fenn | or you could reinvent the wheel i suppose | 08:03 |
| fenn | kind of annoying they don't actually declare any copyleft license for those files | 08:04 |
| AJollyLife | augur: why not just build the northpaw? | 08:04 |
| AJollyLife | although, a friend of mine is working on making it smaller | 08:04 |
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| augur | i intend to, eventually. but theres more to life than just a northpaw! | 08:05 |
| AJollyLife | so are you looking for similar soldering kits, or what do you want to do? | 08:05 |
| augur | im looking for things in that conceptual sphere. non-bio baby-steps towards augmentation | 08:06 |
| augur | gadgets and widgets and stuff like that | 08:06 |
| fenn | like the back electrode array | 08:06 |
| fenn | for "seeing" | 08:06 |
| augur | yes, ive read about that. quite an interesting project. | 08:07 |
| fenn | "laser fingers" | 08:07 |
| fenn | i'm having a hard time keeping straight what was real and what i dreamed | 08:07 |
| augur | lol | 08:08 |
| fenn | laser fingers is like tactile lidar | 08:09 |
| JayDugger | How does the "tactile" part work? | 08:09 |
| fenn | a pager motor or something | 08:09 |
| fenn | also it's super simple, just the beam and a narrow angle photosensor | 08:09 |
| fenn | augur: sarahemm was working on a tail attachment for balance (she has a malfunctioning cochlea) | 08:10 |
| augur | interesting | 08:11 |
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| augur | hey, eridu | 08:37 |
| eridu | hey augur | 08:38 |
| augur | howsit goin | 08:38 |
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| eridu | augur: alright | 08:48 |
| augur | awesome | 08:48 |
| augur | so, whats good besides northpaw | 08:48 |
| eridu | in terms of sensory augmentation? | 08:48 |
| augur | yeah | 08:49 |
| eridu | let's ask brian | 08:49 |
| augur | or general augmentation | 08:49 |
| eridu | kanzure: what's good besides northpaw? | 08:49 |
| AJollyLife | carrying a pda cellphone with gps and internet. | 08:49 |
| augur | i already asked kanzure | 08:49 |
| augur | he didnt know what northpaw was | 08:49 |
| AJollyLife | it feels like such a loss when you no longer have it :( | 08:49 |
| augur | and said there was some grand problem communicating when i mentioned it | 08:49 |
| eridu | augur: wow | 08:49 |
| AJollyLife | one of my friends has magnets over her fingernails | 08:49 |
| augur | yeah well | 08:50 |
| eridu | AJollyLife: oh man, I know that - I left my Android at home this morning :*-( | 08:50 |
| augur | i was a bit wowed myself | 08:50 |
| augur | i have an iphone. :P | 08:50 |
| eridu | AJollyLife: do they deteriorate? | 08:50 |
| AJollyLife | eridu: i was in montreal for a few days, felt so lost | 08:50 |
| AJollyLife | eridu: if you put them ontop of your fingernails, they will slowly be pushed out, but i do know someone who placed them in her fingers | 08:50 |
| augur | montreal! | 08:51 |
| augur | for the jazz fest? | 08:51 |
| AJollyLife | http://hypatia.ca/2010/06/magnetic-fingernails/ | 08:51 |
| AJollyLife | augur: for REcon - reverse engineering conference | 08:51 |
| augur | ooh ok | 08:51 |
| AJollyLife | really liked the city, its very bike friendly, everyone seems in shape, good food | 08:52 |
| augur | i would just make gloves with magnets in the finger tips | 08:52 |
| eridu | AJollyLife: magnetic fingers seem like the next thing to do after northpaw, but all the implants I've seen gradually deteriorate | 08:52 |
| eridu | augur: would that do anything? | 08:52 |
| eridu | augur: the point of the implants is that they're close enough to your nerves that you can feel electromagnetic fields | 08:52 |
| augur | the magnets dont transmit signals to your nerves except by tugging on your flesh | 08:53 |
| AJollyLife | not sure, leighs done more research on this than i have | 08:53 |
| augur | i mean, it'd do better to glue them them to your finger tips for that reason, but | 08:53 |
| eridu | augur: how could they tug on your flesh from outside? | 08:55 |
| augur | well, thats what the glove thing would be for. they'd just pull on your finger as a whole. | 08:55 |
| augur | ofcourse, im thinking of a sort of spandexy glove, not a big bulky one | 08:55 |
| eridu | :-/ | 08:55 |
| eridu | I guess | 08:55 |
| eridu | should implement it and try it out | 08:56 |
| eridu | AJollyLife: that nail mod looks interesting; I'd be worried about it interfering with typing, though | 08:56 |
| augur | why would it interfere with typing | 08:56 |
| AJollyLife | leighs a big computer geek, i dont think its bothered her any | 08:56 |
| augur | keyboards dont depend on magnets | 08:56 |
| AJollyLife | it is fun when it screws up the compass on her droid though | 08:56 |
| augur | im gonna head to school for a bit | 08:57 |
| augur | see ya | 08:57 |
| AJollyLife | later | 08:57 |
| augur | eridu, we should brainstorm some mods we can make | 08:57 |
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| eridu | augur|afk: I'm down | 09:00 |
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| augur | eridu! | 10:08 |
| eridu | augur: ? | 10:09 |
| augur | hey | 10:09 |
| eridu | hey | 10:10 |
| augur | so i was thinking, eridu | 10:20 |
| augur | visual augmentation is obviously expensive, audio-augmentation is possible, I suppose, but probably not capable of offering much of interest | 10:21 |
| augur | scent and smell are basically impossible | 10:21 |
| augur | tactile is really the only sort of augmentation that seems feasible | 10:21 |
| eridu | augur: what do you mean by "visual augmentation" - using sight as a carrier sense? | 10:22 |
| augur | yeah | 10:22 |
| bdesk | there is a magnetic direction belt | 10:29 |
| bdesk | if you don't want to embed metal into your body | 10:29 |
| fenn | "probably not capable of offering much of interest" unless it is, and nobody knows because they haven't tried it | 10:36 |
| fenn | scent/smell not impossible, that's why we have gc/ms "sniffers" at airports | 10:36 |
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| bdesk | but i guess everyone here is cool with embedding metal into their body so this is not a problem | 10:40 |
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| fenn | i'd rather have the belt | 10:44 |
| AJollyLife | i dont think the tsa would be that happy if i started embedding too much metal into my body :) | 10:46 |
| eridu | screw the TSA, you'd be a cyborg | 10:46 |
| AJollyLife | yeah, but unless my newfound cyborg abilities let me fly, it would make travel suboptimal | 10:46 |
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| augur | im not cool with embedding metal in my body unless i can be sure its safe :P | 10:47 |
| uniqanomaly | why to move at all, one could borrow surrogate on the other side of globe :P | 10:50 |
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| SeH_ | hi | 10:51 |
| kanzure | hi SeH_ | 10:51 |
| kanzure | http://factorefarm.org/ http://openfarmtech.org/ | 10:52 |
| SeH_ | thx ill check those out | 10:53 |
| lepton_ | Hey kanzure, you've worked with FreeFem, right? | 11:02 |
| kanzure | hrm.. i'm on the freefem mailing list, i read it occassionally and tried it out once | 11:05 |
| kanzure | i think i got freefem++ to work once | 11:05 |
| kanzure | actually i recall liking it, but not knowing what to do with it :) | 11:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: do you remember that paper where they came up with a scaling law for the number of microphones in a noisy environment to extract conversations with respect to the density of the crowd or the number of people conversing? | 11:13 |
| kanzure | they were doing some sort of extraction of the individual conversations | 11:14 |
| kanzure | you could "evolve" an audio classifier or something by giving the N participants cards with things to say at specific times (but make sure they rehearse) | 11:15 |
| kanzure | and thus some way to train an svm kernel (or something) for the audio extraction/classification as to which sounds belong to which conversations | 11:15 |
| kanzure | i guess the kernel would have to change for different crowds/audiences though | 11:16 |
| kanzure | unless there's some fancy fourier feature extraction technique i'm missing out on :) | 11:16 |
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| bdesk | you could just mix the audio digitally to make mixed audio for testing | 11:24 |
| bdesk | there is a somehwhwat heated discussion on ghmm mailing list about the state of free audio recognition software | 11:24 |
| bdesk | this is from last weekend http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=AANLkTilpn8AtNYbj5wcIzzgTKUImfWYaXqPB76zAF9mi%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=ghmm-list | 11:26 |
| bdesk | also i hate sourceforge's mailing list browser | 11:26 |
| kanzure | i hate most of sourceforge's interface.. i wish they would have a command line client like .. uh? what's the revision control system that's in bed with .. that one site? | 11:29 |
| kanzure | i think it's bzr.. but not freshmeat, it's like lz or lv or something | 11:29 |
| kanzure | is it bitbucket? | 11:33 |
| bdesk | bitbucket and github are both the new sourceforge. | 11:33 |
| bdesk | bitbucket is for mercurial and has an excess of hosted python programs. | 11:33 |
| bdesk | github is for git and has an excess of ruby programs. | 11:34 |
| bdesk | which kind of sucks because i like programming in python but i like using git for version control. | 11:34 |
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| genehacker | they let people with piercings through security I think | 11:37 |
| genehacker | also having metal in your body does not make you a cyborg | 11:37 |
| genehacker | if the metal has actuator, sensing, or control elements it might make you a cyborg though | 11:38 |
| bdesk | what if the metal is just a solid chunk of magnet and acts as a sensor only indirectly by pressing against the inside of your finger when there is a magnetic field? does this count as sensing? | 11:39 |
| augur | i wouldnt call that being a cyborg either. | 11:44 |
| augur | im not sure i'd call anything a cyborg unless there was some element of either direct interaction between the cybernetics and the person | 11:44 |
| augur | not that its a clearcut thing. im tenuous about calling someone with a pacemaker a cyborg | 11:46 |
| augur | or someone with a prosthetic arm. but if the arm were advanced enough to be usable like a normal arm that'd be different i think | 11:46 |
| bdesk | what about a bug that is radio controlled with implants? | 11:47 |
| bdesk | is that cyborg? | 11:47 |
| augur | no no thats a cybug | 11:47 |
| kanzure | O_o | 11:48 |
| augur | kanzure has no sense of humor. | 11:48 |
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| kanzure | actually i misread that as "no no that's not a cyuborg" | 11:48 |
| kanzure | &cyborg | 11:48 |
| kanzure | *cyborg | 11:48 |
| kanzure | also i fail at typing today. i blame the internet connection. | 11:48 |
| augur | i dont. | 11:48 |
| kanzure | okay? | 11:49 |
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| augur | bdesk: no im not sure how i'd clasify the bug with a radio controlled implant. maybe. it straddles the line i think. | 11:49 |
| bdesk | i think the line is whatever exists today. | 11:49 |
| bdesk | if we already can do it = not cyborg. | 11:50 |
| augur | eh. im not sure. | 11:50 |
| augur | i mean, i wouldnt call someone with a robotic liver a cyborg | 11:50 |
| augur | tho its not possible today | 11:50 |
| bdesk | maybe the other way. is there anything done today that coutns as cyborg? | 11:51 |
| augur | and i wouldnt consider anyone a cyborg no matter how much electronics they shove into their body if it's not a "part" of them in any substantive way. | 11:51 |
| augur | i mean, if you just have a computer in your body, but it doesnt interface with /you/ its just there, well, cmon. thats not a cyborg | 11:51 |
| augur | bdesk: no, im not sure i'd count anything today as genuinely cyborg | 11:52 |
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| kanzure | how about kevin warwick's two way neurotransceiver for sending and receiving wrist action potentials to and from his wife? | 11:52 |
| kanzure | (granted, the mapping between them two was pretty terrible) | 11:53 |
| fenn | that was cool | 11:53 |
| augur | i wouldnt count that either. | 11:53 |
| fenn | *cyborg references &cyborg | 11:53 |
| kanzure | they even implanted the chips on different nerves apparently.. do'h (although i think it was intentional) | 11:53 |
| augur | for me its more about having cybernetics that you can control, i think. and lots of it. | 11:53 |
| fenn | do nerves have directionality? i.e. is one nerve an input nerve and the other one an output nerve? | 11:53 |
| augur | yes | 11:54 |
| Utopiah | yes | 11:54 |
| Utopiah | because of the physical property of the fiber the propagation of the signal can't go the other way around | 11:54 |
| bdesk | that is what the axon and dendrites are for | 11:55 |
| augur | i think its more that neurons have an asymmetry | 11:55 |
| augur | i dont think neurons themselves have a directionality | 11:55 |
| kanzure | .. | 11:55 |
| kanzure | they have a directionality in a networking sense | 11:55 |
| fenn | kanzure: re cocktail party problem, reminds me of http://www.ros.org/news/2010/03/hark-on-texai.html | 11:55 |
| fenn | i dont remember any particular paper though | 11:55 |
| augur | kanzure: sorry, what i meant was that, modulo axons/dendrites, the transmission medium of the neuron has no directionality | 11:56 |
| augur | its just a membrane of pores | 11:56 |
| kanzure | fenn: is that really a face on the top of that screen? | 11:57 |
| augur | i dont think the pores necessarily activate only in one direction, but rather that the source of activation in a normal neuron is localized to one part of it, and so the pore activation propagates outward from there | 11:57 |
| bdesk | a neuron might not be incredibly intelligent by itself, but i think it is still more complicated than that. | 11:57 |
| fenn | it's a salad bowl | 11:57 |
| kanzure | james p. hogan just died | 11:58 |
| fenn | a green salad bowl, with eyes and a microphone | 11:58 |
| Utopiah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbg5E9GCNVE | 11:58 |
| fenn | every time i clap, a scifi author dies. "well stop doin it then ya crazy fuck" | 11:58 |
| augur | Utopiah: there, the directionality of the propagation isnt inherent in the medium. | 12:00 |
| augur | thank you for that :) | 12:00 |
| kanzure | "His many fans include the members of Studio Nue, who eventually created The Super Dimension Fortress Macross. " | 12:00 |
| augur | also, Utopiah, someone said you might know of some devices i could build? | 12:00 |
| * Utopiah goes up the log | 12:00 | |
| kanzure | "Besides influencing the themes in several anime, the "Inherit the Stars" name itself (in English and in Japanese as Hoshi o Tsugumono) was directly referenced in such space science-fiction anime as Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, Genesis Climber Mospeada, and Geneshaft." | 12:01 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: alternatives to the northpaw for augur | 12:01 |
| augur | well, not alternatives | 12:01 |
| augur | just other augment devices | 12:01 |
| Utopiah | (and regarding the bidirectional it depends on what you emcompass as the "medium") | 12:01 |
| augur | Utopiah: the cell membrane | 12:01 |
| fenn | kanzure: was this from some anime mailing list? | 12:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: actually, open manufacturing :) | 12:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-07-13/science-fiction-author-james-p-hogan-passes-away | 12:02 |
| Utopiah | well to me if you include the soma in your medium then it's directional | 12:02 |
| fenn | i dont really think 'gundam' when thinking about james hogan | 12:02 |
| kanzure | heh | 12:02 |
| fenn | studio nue also did starship troopers | 12:02 |
| augur | right, probably. im just thinking of the actual transmission medium. the structures that you form the medium into, and the stuff you put inside those, can definitely induce directionality over the whole object | 12:03 |
| kanzure | what's with the weird xanadu/ted nelson/lain crossover thing too? crazy japs | 12:03 |
| ENKI-][ | they cited the sattelite thing | 12:03 |
| ENKI-][ | bizzare | 12:03 |
| fenn | "So there's an outline of the plot so far, which has gotten a little more convoluted in places than the kind of thing I had in mind at the outset. I haven't really worked out the ending yet, either. But I'd hope there are a few more chapters to go before that becomes too much of a pressing issue." | 12:05 |
| kanzure | augur: if you want some neuroscience reading, http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/ you're welcome :P | 12:05 |
| augur | i dont need neuroscience reading? | 12:05 |
| kanzure | i also would appreciate any papers that you have been reading and find of interest | 12:05 |
| fenn | from james hogan's autobiography page | 12:05 |
| augur | you dont want to read papers that i read and find interesting. | 12:06 |
| kanzure | augur: i'm trying to figure out why i have trouble communicating with you | 12:06 |
| kanzure | how do you know that is true? | 12:06 |
| kanzure | it boggles the mind. | 12:06 |
| ENKI-][ | 'tis an ill wind that boggles no minds... or something | 12:07 |
| augur | ok, kanzure, here you go: http://semanticsarchive.net/Archive/DE2YTM1N/barker-shan-tlg.pdf | 12:07 |
| kanzure | neuroscience? | 12:07 |
| kanzure | oh a grammar paper. okie dokie. | 12:07 |
| augur | no. not neuroscience. | 12:07 |
| fenn | sic him on openwetware | 12:07 |
| augur | not grammar as such either. syntax-semantics interface stuff, i suppose. | 12:07 |
| fenn | or biobricks or whatever it's called these days | 12:07 |
| augur | sic who on that | 12:08 |
| fenn | you on their lack of grammar | 12:08 |
| augur | lol | 12:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: you mean a lack of a biobrick grammar thingy? | 12:08 |
| fenn | ya | 12:08 |
| kanzure | augur: is this you, or a paper you are reviewing, or? what's the context btw? | 12:09 |
| augur | its a paper i've read and find of interest. | 12:09 |
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| kanzure | fenn: so, i was wondering if you (or anyone else in here) would have some suggestions for me | 12:10 |
| kanzure | let's say that i spontaneously become executive director of WTA | 12:10 |
| kanzure | wtf then? | 12:10 |
| kanzure | s/then/next/ | 12:10 |
| fenn | isnt WTA defunct? | 12:10 |
| kanzure | no, humanity+ is just a DBA thing | 12:10 |
| kanzure | doing-business-as name | 12:10 |
| augur | if you became executive director of the WTA i'd be frightened for the WTA | 12:11 |
| fenn | um, well, i'd stop hemmorhaging millions of dollars on magazines or whatever the fuck they're spending it on | 12:11 |
| kanzure | right | 12:11 |
| augur | thats a plan | 12:11 |
| bdesk | no i would pay the graphic artist more | 12:11 |
| fenn | i would pay the graphic artists more, pay the writers and convention-attenders less | 12:11 |
| kanzure | i don't think they pay convention attenders | 12:12 |
| kanzure | except maybe ray | 12:12 |
| bdesk | http://www.boingboing.net/images/Aaad-omg-read-hplus.jpg | 12:12 |
| kanzure | who charges $35k/conference-speaking-gig | 12:12 |
| bdesk | the princeton distinguished prof you wanted to invite | 12:12 |
| kanzure | well, they were spending about $100k/year on hplusmagazine.com | 12:12 |
| bdesk | duke* | 12:12 |
| kanzure | so first thing i'd do is manage the blog myself | 12:13 |
| kanzure | and not pay $100k for it :P | 12:13 |
| kanzure | and the media trajectory is relatively well handled IMHO | 12:13 |
| fenn | also i'd start having small contests, like 'first person to make a ___ that doesn't suck' | 12:13 |
| kanzure | there's a growing strategy in mind for making it not suck as much- like sending out people to talk at conferences that are not transhumanism-started/initiated-conferences | 12:13 |
| kanzure | yeah | 12:13 |
| kanzure | so primarily i think that there's room for some thoughts on the technical end of things | 12:13 |
| kanzure | contests sound ok | 12:14 |
| fenn | also, i'd try to define just wtf "transhumanism" is, as regards WTA | 12:14 |
| kanzure | i'd like to maybe get someone hired to just write grants constantly for transhumanism groups to do crazy diybio projects | 12:14 |
| fenn | and get people to ratify the definition | 12:14 |
| kanzure | right.. i'd definitely get rid of the current transhumanism FAQ | 12:14 |
| kanzure | the current FAQ on the wta site was a response to extropy.org and honestly fudges up the issues :/ | 12:14 |
| kanzure | in a dishonest way | 12:14 |
| kanzure | someone was suggesting a strategy for interfacing with the cure-*-NOW groups | 12:15 |
| kanzure | i think it was ralph boone on the wta-talk mailing list | 12:16 |
| fenn | sounds unfocusable | 12:16 |
| kanzure | he was suggesting that we push human enhancement concepts to cure-*-NOW groups so that they could employ or focus some funds on enhancements | 12:16 |
| kanzure | saying that "look! tthese enhanced researchers/engineers will be able to get more stuff done!" | 12:16 |
| fenn | uh.. no | 12:16 |
| kanzure | or something along those lines | 12:16 |
| kanzure | however, i don't know how to get that past pencil pushers | 12:16 |
| kanzure | it just doesn't sound like anything you can make an argument about | 12:16 |
| fenn | i think that was basically the argument for LSD | 12:16 |
| kanzure | heh | 12:16 |
| kanzure | well my first problem with that idea is that it would focus people on measuring worker output | 12:17 |
| fenn | and it probably has achieved more increase in scientific research output than any other drug | 12:17 |
| kanzure | which may or may not be directly related to the enhancements that a person has | 12:17 |
| bdesk | this sounds like the opposite of basic science | 12:17 |
| kanzure | "this"=? and why would it sound like basic sicencfe in the first place? | 12:17 |
| kanzure | *science | 12:17 |
| kanzure | (i still blame lag for the typos today) | 12:18 |
| bdesk | this=cure-*-NOW, and there is no reason it would sound like basic science. | 12:18 |
| kanzure | then i don't understand what you just said :) | 12:18 |
| fenn | maybe i'm biased, but i think adding CSS to dillo would enhance productivity more than any curebie group could | 12:18 |
| kanzure | curebie groups! heh heh | 12:18 |
| fenn | autism snafu | 12:19 |
| bdesk | wat is curebie? | 12:19 |
| kanzure | a fond way of talking about a group focused on a cure | 12:19 |
| fenn | someone who desires being cured | 12:19 |
| bdesk | if mortality is a disease then aren't all of the singularity fanboys curebies? | 12:20 |
| kanzure | bdesk: i said 'fond' | 12:20 |
| kanzure | fenn: fond, right? | 12:20 |
| fenn | nobody's logging, except gnusha | 12:20 |
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| Utopiah | ? | 12:21 |
| fenn | and gnsha | 12:21 |
| kanzure | i have no idea what you are talking about | 12:21 |
| fenn | just nsh, the bot | 12:23 |
| fenn | anyway, i wouldnt lump singularity fanboys in with "i'm dying of xxx disease, plz reorganize the world industry towards finding a cure, kthx" people | 12:24 |
| kanzure | is that what the cure-*-NOW groups tend to want? massive reorganization to find a cure for some disease? | 12:24 |
| kanzure | wouldn't it be more productive for them to focus on finding someone who understands and can solve the problem? | 12:25 |
| nsh | industrifloritous cantilever discerns indelible endometaboloids | 12:25 |
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| kanzure | so, i enjoyed patri's talk at hplus summit 2009 | 12:33 |
| kanzure | but i think the only reason he was allowed to speak was because he was on the board of directors | 12:33 |
| kanzure | has there been anything from humanity+ regarding seasteading? i mean, uh.. | 12:34 |
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| kanzure | "There is a need for someone who can popularize it by showing applications to multiple fields, and transhumanism can be a cooler way of saying interdisciplinary and working out of your silos, crystals rainbows and unicorns and consciousness and native peoples of the amazon and taking a journey from a vision quest. Not so interesting to me, because it's not the thing that gets grants and funds serious things." | 12:35 |
| bdesk | wat | 12:36 |
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| bkero | Awesome, just had google lunch3z | 12:43 |
| nsh | whose quote, kanzure? | 13:01 |
| kanzure | nsh: mr. anonymous for now | 13:02 |
| bdesk | i have a hard time parsing that quote, could you add some parentheses to the first sentence? | 13:03 |
| kanzure | it was from a transcript i took one time, so it's partly because i couldn't capture everything properly (the person was speaking fast) | 13:04 |
| kanzure | basically this should be an adequate translation: | 13:04 |
| bdesk | he is saying that the word 'transhumanism' is scary to investors because it makes the investors think about crystals and rainbows? | 13:04 |
| kanzure | no that wasn't really the point. one sec | 13:04 |
| bdesk | or he is saying that it is good to call it 'transhumanism' so that they can get the crystal and rainbow people on board? | 13:05 |
| kanzure | "There is a need for someone who can popularize transhumanism by showing applications to multiple fields. Transhumanism can be a cooler way of saying interdisciplinary and working outside of your traditional silos. Crystal rainbows and unicorns, consciousness and taking vision quests in the Amazon with the natives is not really interesting to me- it's not the thing that gets grants and funds serious things." | 13:06 |
| bdesk | o i see | 13:07 |
| kanzure | it helped? | 13:07 |
| bdesk | yes | 13:07 |
| kanzure | yay | 13:07 |
| bdesk | i thought the unicorn was in the silo | 13:10 |
| kanzure | well if you had a unicorn, wouldn't YOU keep it in a silo? | 13:12 |
| bdesk | to me 'transhumanism can be a cooler way of saying interdisciplinary' sounds too much like 'nanotechnology can be a cooler way of saying chemistry' | 13:12 |
| fenn | i was picturing some bearded unix hacker living with his family in an abandoned atlas missile launch site in utah | 13:12 |
| kanzure | oh you mean RMS | 13:13 |
| bdesk | yes me too, with crystals and unicorns. | 13:13 |
| nsh | kanzure, k | 13:13 |
| fenn | rms is into unicorns i think | 13:13 |
| fenn | er, sorry i meant eric raymond | 13:13 |
| bdesk | he is into gnunicorns | 13:13 |
| kanzure | if rms ever gets sick, i'm totally making him a gnu doll :P | 13:13 |
| * fenn mutters something about a cnc stuffed animal maker | 13:14 | |
| kanzure | uh doesn't this more fall under textile manufacturing than cnc stuff? | 13:15 |
| kanzure | i guess a sewing machine is somewhat cnc | 13:15 |
| kanzure | also has the same category of horrible human limb accidents too | 13:15 |
| bdesk | it would be cool to make strings that have a propensity to self-fold in certain ways. then as soon as these 1D objects are spun/extruded, they will auto-fold into useful 2D and 3D artifacts. | 13:27 |
| fenn | and you could do it at the molecular level, from reusable modular molecular components | 13:30 |
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| Utopiah | DNA origami? | 13:33 |
| bdesk | i wonder how well this would work at the macro level. the forces causing the folding will obviously not be the same as at the nano scale. | 13:34 |
| fenn | since you are still talking about it: http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~saul/PhD/videos/fmit.mov | 13:49 |
| fenn | "The order of the 4 magnetically encoded tile types uniquely specifies the resulting structure provided that the folding proceeds sequentially down the string." | 13:51 |
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| bdesk | fenn: wow that is exactly what i was talking about. i must have seen this project or something. | 14:17 |
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| kanzure | http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0785 Title: On the Origin of Gravity and the Laws of Newton | 15:11 |
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| QuantumG | oh this has gotta be bad | 15:16 |
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| QuantumG | oh dear. Summary of the paper: if I arbitrarily insert constants into formulas for entropy change and information storage capacity, I can derive Newton's laws of motion. | 15:30 |
| augur | QuantumG: its interesting nonetheless that its possible | 15:32 |
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| QuantumG | in a way.. I mean, all the formulas he's using are derived from newton's laws of motion | 15:34 |
| QuantumG | so it's really not surprising that you can use them to derive newton's laws of motion | 15:34 |
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| augur | QuantumG: oh, well then | 16:03 |
| augur | thats not surprising at all! | 16:03 |
| augur | tho its interesting if theres a correlation between laws of motion and maximization of randomness or whatever it is hes going for | 16:04 |
| QuantumG | yeah, the paper is actually interesting | 16:05 |
| QuantumG | just read section 6.1 | 16:05 |
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| lepton | kanzure: sorry I asked you about FreeFEM earlier, and then left the computer (CNC interutions :p) | 16:09 |
| lepton | I'm getting into using it for genetic optimization of compliant mechanisms | 16:10 |
| lepton | Specifically 3D printable ones | 16:10 |
| lepton | I also want to be using it for optimizing the internal structural of 3d-printed volumes, amongst other general MechE FEA sort of things | 16:11 |
| bdesk | is that like http://femhub.org/ | 16:11 |
| lepton | anyway, getting existing CAD data into FreeFEM is fairly awful / almost impossible. I'm interested in your Python<>STEP file work for this application | 16:11 |
| lepton | I didn't know about that, bdesk! | 16:12 |
| lepton | Thanks for the link | 16:12 |
| bdesk | i only know about it because ondrej certik is awesome | 16:12 |
| QuantumG | why is it that the FBI can apparently track down who made a bomb by tracing parts but they can't track down who planted a credit card skimmer? | 16:16 |
| bdesk | maybe bomb materials are available from fewer origins than credit card skimmers are. | 16:17 |
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| JamesB192 | might bombs have more parts and they present a larger chance of limelight for the bureau? | 16:22 |
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| kanzure | deski would like to second the fact that ondrej certik is awesome :) | 17:07 |
| kanzure | *bdesk | 17:08 |
| bdesk | is there an election for wta leader or do you have to coup? | 17:12 |
| kanzure | election | 17:14 |
| kanzure | i don't know if it's worth my time or not | 17:14 |
| bdesk | you have to make a platform like http://www.debian.org/vote/2010/platforms/zack ? | 17:15 |
| kanzure | just have to write two or three paragraphs | 17:16 |
| kanzure | the only people that i have to convince are the board members.. and they all love me anyway | 17:16 |
| kanzure | todd, natasha, ben, heather, whoeverelse | 17:17 |
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| augur | kanzure, who are you not on irc | 17:23 |
| eridu | augur: kanzure is Brian Bishop of diybio fame | 17:25 |
| augur | thats .. | 17:26 |
| eridu | you don't get email from him? | 17:28 |
| bdesk | it seems that transhumanism would have a natural alliance with advocates for people with disabilities | 17:35 |
| fenn | people with disabilities tend to be grumpy old farts who hate futurists | 17:36 |
| bdesk | o.O | 17:36 |
| Utopiah | bdesk: they are less risk averse, basically having no choice | 17:37 |
| fenn | bdesk: don't worry, two years ago i said the same thing you said | 17:37 |
| bdesk | fenn: what was so disillusioning? you met a bunch of grumpy old farts with disabilities? | 17:38 |
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| bdesk | what is the ratio of "transhumanism == interdisciplinary science and technology" vs "transhumanism == crystals and unicorns" among wta? | 17:45 |
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| JayDugger | What would you get from WTA board membership? | 18:48 |
| kanzure | no the question is what could i do | 18:49 |
| kanzure | no the question is what could i do(isn't it) | 18:49 |
| kanzure | gah irssi + lag is fail | 18:49 |
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| kanzure | does anyone know what "drive depth" means in the context of offshore drilling? | 18:51 |
| JayDugger | No, the question is: what could you do better than anyone else as a WTA member. | 18:52 |
| kanzure | presumably "drive depth" and "drill depth" are different terms | 18:52 |
| JayDugger | No, just the obvious: drive depth might mean target depth, or the position of the drive unit in the shaft. | 18:52 |
| JayDugger | drill depth might mean target depth or bit depth. | 18:52 |
| kanzure | i'm trying to figure out why "drive depth" is listed at the top before "rated drill depth" | 18:54 |
| kanzure | http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/fastfacts/apdform/apd.asp?-9515 | 18:54 |
| kanzure | someone made the claim in the news that bp was drilling beyond its federally permitted levels | 18:54 |
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| JayDugger | How would they know? | 18:56 |
| kanzure | i don't know. they were a whistle blower or something | 18:57 |
| kanzure | but i'm not sure if mms.gov is sanctifying 35000 or not on that document | 18:57 |
| JayDugger | That seems a datum only obtainable from the drill head and its' records. | 18:57 |
| JayDugger | "sanctifying 35000 or not on that document?" | 18:57 |
| kanzure | well, bp edrilled to 35,050 and that's not what the issue was about | 18:57 |
| kanzure | some people were saying that it had a permit for 15,000 to 18,0000 | 18:58 |
| kanzure | *drilled | 18:58 |
| kanzure | *18,000 | 18:58 |
| kanzure | i hate the lags | 18:58 |
| JayDugger | Yeah...I keep thinking "over a hundred nuclear plants spilled nothing yesterday." | 18:58 |
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| JayDugger | Well...one refers to the well, and the other refers to the rig. | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | At a guess... | 19:02 |
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| JayDugger | Drive Depth means the point at the well starts. I suspect it pretty closely matches the sea floor's depth below sea level. | 19:05 |
| kanzure | hmm | 19:05 |
| JayDugger | Drill depth refers to the maximum depth to which the rig can drill. | 19:05 |
| JayDugger | Remember: both guesses. | 19:06 |
| kanzure | i have some permits here where drive depth= 5361 and water depth = 4992 and rated rill depth = 35000 | 19:06 |
| kanzure | *drill | 19:06 |
| kanzure | another where drive depth is 5458 and water depth is 5132 | 19:06 |
| JayDugger | Occam sez: "incompetence explains more than malfeasance." | 19:07 |
| kanzure | so my guestimate would be that drive depth - water depth = well depth or total well length before hitting a reservoire | 19:07 |
| JayDugger | That seems reasonable. | 19:07 |
| kanzure | i dunno though.. wouldn't have someone brought this up though? | 19:08 |
| kanzure | a factor of 6x is pretty significant | 19:08 |
| kanzure | if the permitted depth was 35000 and they hit 35050 that sounds pretty reasonable to me | 19:08 |
| JayDugger | I agree. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | but permitted at 5500 and actual at 35000... not so much | 19:08 |
| JayDugger | Right. That would make an easy sound bite for the press, and to my knowledge, no one has yelled about that. | 19:09 |
| kanzure | instead they have yelled that the permitted depth was 18000 | 19:10 |
| JayDugger | My usual jokes about the low quality of Hyundai products seem tasteless in this context. | 19:10 |
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| kanzure | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/us/04spill.html | 19:12 |
| kanzure | '"The allegation surrounding the permitted depth is factually incorrect," said Andrew Gowers, a BP spokesman. Mr. Gowers said that the rig was permitted to drill to 20,211 feet and that it drilled to 18,360 feet.' | 19:12 |
| kanzure | 'At least one worker who was on the oil rig at the time of the explosion on April 20, and who handled company records for BP, said the rig had been drilling deeper than 22,000 feet, even though the company's federal permit allowed it to go only 18,000 to 20,000 feet deep, the lawyers said.' | 19:12 |
| kanzure | but the federal permit doesn't allow 18000 to 20000... | 19:12 |
| kanzure | or even 22000 | 19:13 |
| JayDugger | Without knowing how the MMS handled documents, the provenance of the electronic copy is suspect. | 19:13 |
| kanzure | that's true | 19:13 |
| kanzure | i wrote a scraper and downloaded all of the APD permits filed through MMS | 19:13 |
| kanzure | so let me search for 20211 specifically | 19:14 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, it comes from the MMS, but we don't know whether they counted it as a "master" or an "uncontrolled" copy. | 19:14 |
| kanzure | nada | 19:14 |
| JayDugger | Or even, honestly, whether the MMS even cared about such. | 19:15 |
| kanzure | it was actually pretty neat browsing through the data | 19:15 |
| kanzure | they had to get a permit each time they tried a new spot | 19:15 |
| kanzure | so they were slowly honing in on MC 252 over the past few years | 19:15 |
| JayDugger | The FAA would, but that's DoT instead of DoI. | 19:15 |
| kanzure | here's another thing that's odd about this | 19:16 |
| JayDugger | Yeah...that makes sense. <REGULATORY COST RANT REDACTED> | 19:16 |
| kanzure | maximum drill depth of the rig was cited as 30000: | 19:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.offshoreinjuries.com/CM/Custom/transocean-deepwater-horizon-oil-rig-explosion.shtml | 19:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.eoearth.org/article/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill | 19:16 |
| JayDugger | Work practices might mean a paper copy had greater authority than the electronic records. | 19:17 |
| kanzure | then it says that on 2009-09-something it reached 35050 | 19:17 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon | 19:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/IDeepwater-Horizon-i-Drills-Worlds-Deepest-Oil-and-Gas-Well-419C151.html | 19:17 |
| kanzure | but then the rated drill detph was changed to 35000 | 19:19 |
| kanzure | *depth | 19:19 |
| JayDugger | I wonder what Hyundai says about that type of oil rig? | 19:19 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps that might lie within the designed performance, and minor overruns count as an accepted practice. | 19:24 |
| JayDugger | Similar things happen in the FAA standards for simulators. | 19:25 |
| bdesk | there should be a law against drilling through the ocean floor so deep that the oil comes out and poisons the dolphins and pelicans | 19:25 |
| JayDugger | There are, no doubt. | 19:25 |
| JayDugger | The USA has on-line its "Code of Federal Regulations," which you might search for the appropriate laws. | 19:26 |
| kanzure | "The rig is designed to operate in water depths up to 2,500 metres and has a maximum drill depth of about 5.5 miles. It can accommodate a crew of up to 130." | 19:34 |
| kanzure | that was according to http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/21/deepwater-horizon-oil-rig-fire | 19:34 |
| JayDugger | Time to commute. Good night, all. | 19:34 |
| bdesk | kbye | 19:35 |
| kanzure | 2500 meters = 8202 feet | 19:35 |
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| kanzure | and the 5.5 mi mark is about 30000 feet | 19:35 |
| kanzure | "In September 2009, BP drilled the deepest well ever at its Tiber field in the US Gulf at a depth of more than 35,000ft (farther down than Mount Everest is up). When it exploded, BP's Deepwater Horizon Drilling rig was drilling at just over 18,000ft deep." | 19:37 |
| kanzure | ah okay they were at different properties | 19:38 |
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| kanzure | "The proposed wellbore will not intersect any faults between the seafloor and the depth limit of this investigvation at Horizon 6 or 5,328 bml." | 20:11 |
| kanzure | *investigation | 20:11 |
| genehacker | sigh, hopefully they learns some useful stuff about teleoperation from this | 20:13 |
| QuantumG | http://quantumg.blogspot.com/2010/07/future-mines-of-humanity.html | 20:18 |
| kanzure | huh the number in that sentence changes immediately on the next page | 20:21 |
| QuantumG | I assume that wasn't directed at me | 20:22 |
| kanzure | it was not | 20:27 |
| QuantumG | cool | 20:27 |
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| kanzure | http://reallifesuperheroes.org/tag/superhero/ | 21:35 |
| kanzure | an interview with Superhero | 21:35 |
| kanzure | the last question is: "Do you know what TRANSHUMANISM IS? In that case would you consider it as an important part into a superhero's life-style?" | 21:35 |
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| fenn | i think "drive depth" is the depth of the pylons embedded in the sea floor holding the rig down | 22:31 |
| kanzure | my new plan: drain the gulf of mexico | 22:42 |
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| kanzure | http://openhardwaresummit.org/ has been updated | 23:18 |
| kanzure | open source hardware license v0.3 http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/license/ | 23:22 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure if this is a copyright license or what.. | 23:22 |
| kanzure | http://www.eyebeam.org/projects/opening-hardware | 23:23 |
| kanzure | oh it's a definition, not a license | 23:23 |
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