2010-07-15.log

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--- Log opened Thu Jul 15 05:51:16 2010
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kanzureuhuh05:53
jrayhawkThe new kernel did something dumb and horrible to the filesystem. I'm hoping it's not particularly severe.05:58
jrayhawkWe're back on the old kernel now.05:58
jrayhawkMan, I was really hoping to get sleep tonight.05:58
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jrayhawkAnyway, I got go-ahead to order a new, not-embarassingly-horrible-hand-me-down server, so the issues *are* being worked on06:00
jrayhawkassuming i manage to wake up during HP sales hours tomorrow06:00
kanzureokay, sounds like a problem you're aware of at least06:05
jrayhawkYes, it's hard to miss over a dozen text messages saying how badly everything is broken.06:06
kanzurei swear i didn't mean to send any of those. i was sleeping..06:06
jrayhawkSo it was YOU06:06
kanzureuh, well, i should check my phone first06:06
kanzureare you "stereotypical facebook chick" messaging me at 3am?06:07
jrayhawkTHIS INTERVIEW IS OVER06:07
kanzurehired!06:07
jrayhawkoh god not more work06:07
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jrayhawkgood lord haskell sequence's database didn't even shit itself this time06:09
jrayhawkit's a christmas miracle06:10
jrayhawkanywho, time to drive home and hope i sleep through the next dozen text messages06:11
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SeH_http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread593745/pg1 Welcome to the Unpossible Future... The AGI Manhattan Project06:17
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kanzurefenn: check your inbox06:57
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kanzurewow what's with all the comments on this chumby blog post? http://chumby.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/chumbys-insiders-launch/07:16
bdeskkanzure: they are emotionally attached to it like a companion cube.07:26
kanzureuh.. why?07:34
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bdeskbecause it has a face (the small screen) and it is small and cute and fuzzy.07:35
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bdeskhttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2414/2289527284_98b7cac964.jpg07:35
bdeskit is like a pet.07:35
JayDuggerGood morning, everyone.07:36
bdesk"I put "ready" here in quotes because Chumby will just keep improving, it's never "feature complete" -- enhancements will get sent to your chumby automatically over-the-air and we'll also keep improving the Chumby web site as we go. Even after you buy a chumby you can rest assured knowing that we and a community of hackers and "Friends of Chumby" will be working to constantly improve it, add capabilities, create new content, new a07:38
bdesk"Your chumby will be even better the year after you buy it -- and how many consumer electronic products can make that claim?"07:38
bdeskTell me that this is not trying to be a pet.07:38
drazakkanzure: just read snow crash07:40
bdeskif you say that it is somehow technically flawed, this has the same effect on its supporters as telling someone that their pet is ugly.07:40
kanzurebdesk: do you know someone with a chumby?07:40
bdeskno07:41
bdeski'd never heard of it until you posted the link.07:41
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AJollyLifekanzure: i know a guy with a chumby10:24
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pmetzgerHOPE starts tomorrow in NYC...11:00
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kanzureso pink army stuff has been happening over email14:03
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kanzureand the board / advisors are introducing each other14:03
kanzureand they are all media/PR/advertizing/television folks14:03
kanzureexcept maybe david orban, but i dunno14:04
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fennooer.. "they pay me $2k/day to look at potential problems and point out pitfalls."16:18
fennthanks for sending me that16:21
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kanzurefenn: :)16:29
kanzureit's kind of crazy, really16:31
kanzurecrowdsourcing and open source stuff in the middle of warzones16:31
kanzure"potential problem: you could get shot"16:31
kanzurecha-ching16:32
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fennseems to always be a problem in warzones, regardless whether it's open source or not16:37
kanzure"oh but isn't there a fix for that in web 2.0?" "no"16:38
kanzure(cha-ching)16:38
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fennweb 2.0 is all javascript and css, no need for a land war in asia16:40
kanzurejquery is impressive and makes web 2.0 worth knowing about.16:40
* bkero is busy making web 3.0 motherfucker.16:40
* fenn gives in and buys a flickr pro account16:40
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JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.17:11
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genehackerkanzure how do I make a loop where a variable increases or changes in value?17:16
kanzureuh what language17:22
kanzureusually it's just something like some_val=5;some_val++ or something17:22
kanzureexcept with spaces. gah17:23
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fennhow do i shot web 2.017:32
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genehackeropenscad17:41
genehackerI tried a for loop and it didn't work17:41
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JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.18:22
genehackerQuantumG did you read the new NASA senate bill?18:33
genehackerthey're trying to bring back manned spaceflight18:34
QuantumGyeah, the White House was trying to make a nice apple pie and Congress insists they put a big piece of pork in it.18:34
genehackerjust what I thought18:37
genehackerwell they brought back a heavy lifter18:37
genehackermade of legacy shuttle parts no doubt18:38
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QuantumGyep, restacked 70s tech18:38
genehackerI certainly hope this doesn't affect the Europa mission18:39
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genehackerit'd be a shame for them to not send a ice penetrator and submarine along18:40
genehackercan anything good come of this?18:42
QuantumGsure, the Nelson rocket is supposed to take 6 years to build.. in that time commercial crew could start18:42
QuantumGand NASA could do what they always do, slip the schedule18:43
genehackerslip the schedule?18:43
QuantumGand hey, maybe the Nelson rocket will get canceled and NASA will be prohibited from ever try to make another rocket again18:43
QuantumGthat'd be great18:43
genehackersarcastic great?18:44
QuantumGno, great18:44
JayDuggerShuttle-C made plenty of sense, once upon a time.18:44
QuantumGNASA oversight of cost-plus contracts is just a great way to spend money, not make rockets18:44
genehackerbut still doesn't NASA need a heavy lift vehicle to put a fuel depot?18:45
JayDuggerNASA probably would.18:45
JayDuggerI don't know if anyone else would. ;)18:45
genehackerand I don't think SpaceX has any heavy lift rockets18:46
QuantumGyeah, the fuel depot Flagship Technology Demonstration program will most likely be just lifted on a Delta IV or an Atlas V .. 18:46
JayDuggerWill NASA end up building a fuel depot?18:46
QuantumGas is everything else at NASA that doesn't have people on it18:46
genehackerso could they still get to the moon with spaceX's rockets18:47
JayDuggerQuantumG, will that demonstrator store cryogenic fuels?18:47
QuantumGyes18:48
QuantumGhttp://www.nasa.gov/pdf/458814main_FTD_CRYOGENICPropellantSTorageAndTransferMission.pdf18:49
JayDuggerThanks.18:49
JayDuggerDo you know if that demonstrator has any funding in the Senate bill?18:50
JayDuggerHeck, I guess I should look that up myself.18:50
QuantumGthere's enough money in the tech funding to cover all the flagship technology demonstrations and some other lesser priority research18:51
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JayDuggerSection-by-Section18:52
JayDuggerNATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION AUTHORIZATION ACT OF 201018:52
JayDuggerhttp://commerce.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=50faad79-f79d-4531-9f69-cf646b2b96ba18:52
QuantumGI don't think the numbers have been released18:53
QuantumGand they're likely to change when it goes through appropriation anyway18:53
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JayDuggergenehacker, Yes, heavy-lift "shall utilize existing contracts, workforce, capabilities, etc. from the Shuttle and former Orion and Aries [sic] I projects, and should minimize the modification and development of ground infrastructure."18:55
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JayDuggerHmm...NASA & DoE "will pursue restarting and sustaining domestic radioisotope thermoelectric generator material production to power deep space satellite, robotic and other science missions."18:56
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QuantumGso, are you guys aware of Spacevidcast?18:58
genehackerno18:58
QuantumGDennis Wingo is on today18:58
genehackerwhere is it?18:59
QuantumGwww.spacevidcast.com18:59
genehackerI might catch it later18:59
QuantumGit starts in a few minutes18:59
QuantumG.. and if you don't know who Dennis Wingo is.. let's just say he's freakin' awesome18:59
bdeskwingo is almost as apropos as shuttleworth19:00
JayDuggerauthor of Moonrush?19:00
genehackerMacdonalds Moon tapes man?19:00
QuantumGyup19:01
JayDuggerMacdonalds Moon tapes?19:01
QuantumGhe managed to get some old Apollo tapes, and the ancient hardware needed to read them, and setup in an old McDonalds to read 'em.19:02
genehackerright outside of that big blimp hangar19:02
JayDuggerHangar 19 at Moffett?19:03
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JayDuggerGood night, everyone.19:34
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fennread the backlog... speaking of moon tapes, this is about ten feet to my left: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fennfoot/4798541628/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fennfoot/4797910409/in/photostream/22:27
fennomg these cheesecake cupcakes are so messy22:27
Alystair:O22:41
AlystairCHEESECAKE CUPCAKES22:41
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