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| drazak | kanzure: do you have any idea why cathal says to stay away from incubators? | 00:15 |
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| drazak | kanzure: they really aren't all taht dangerous | 00:15 |
| fenn | they'll turn you into a co-founder | 00:16 |
| drazak | lolwat | 00:17 |
| fenn | lolstartups | 00:17 |
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| JayDugger | http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/08/flowchart-shows-the-startup-business-cycle/ | 00:32 |
| JayDugger | Needs more smiley faces. | 00:32 |
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| JayDugger | Yesterday at 1000 "Randal A. Koene on Realistic Routes to Substrate Independent Minds" on Teleplace--did anyone attend? | 02:19 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: http://fabien.benetou.fr/Events/TeleXLR8-01 | 02:24 |
| JayDugger | Thank you, Utopiah. | 02:25 |
| Utopiah | np | 02:25 |
| JayDugger | What VM did you use for Teleplace? | 02:26 |
| Utopiah | no it was TelePlace own VM that crashed :/ | 02:28 |
| Utopiah | I think it's based on Croquet but Im not sure | 02:28 |
| JayDugger | Oh. | 02:28 |
| Utopiah | didn't really take time on that, was a bit in a hurry ;) | 02:28 |
| JayDugger | No worries. Beggars can't be choosers. | 02:28 |
| Utopiah | http://www.daden.co.uk/pages_virtual_worlds/virtual_worlds_gallery.html also says "Based on the Croquet platform." | 02:30 |
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| masked | who here is bryan | 04:04 |
| masked | i see bryan has written some python apps to read dada from the epoc | 04:04 |
| Utopiah | hi masked , Bryan is probably kanzure (Texas timezone though) | 04:05 |
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| masked | kanzure: hi | 05:06 |
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| kanzure | hi masked | 06:46 |
| JayDugger | Any particular models of pH meters to seek out or to avoid? | 06:47 |
| JayDugger | My girlfriend wants the oddest things... | 06:47 |
| kristianpaul | morning | 06:48 |
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| genehacker | kanzure looks like some people in #emc know a thing or two about that arm you have | 07:16 |
| genehacker | puma 560 right? | 07:16 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: yep, one of them did an emc conversion on it | 07:41 |
| kanzure | why can't that guy learn to use screen? | 07:41 |
| kyb3R | who knows, reasons vary ;) | 07:43 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if sparkfun will ever do walk-in stores | 08:26 |
| JayDugger | Why? | 08:27 |
| kanzure | well we recently lost our last electronics parts-and-supplies store here in austin, texas | 08:28 |
| JayDugger | Really? | 08:28 |
| kanzure | yes | 08:28 |
| kanzure | and sparkfun seems to be big on theatrics or something | 08:28 |
| JayDugger | No Fry's in Austin? (Yes, but better than nothing...) | 08:28 |
| kanzure | yes there's a fry's | 08:30 |
| JayDugger | I find it hard to believe Mouser doesn't deliver. | 08:31 |
| kanzure | they do deliver | 08:33 |
| kanzure | but i'm talking about a physical-walk-in store | 08:33 |
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| kanzure | hi lepton | 08:42 |
| kanzure | i haven't been working on step.py lately so i'm getting back to it today | 08:43 |
| lepton | Cool! | 08:43 |
| lepton | Working on shape optimization in FreeFEM made me rather excited for python step file interaction | 08:43 |
| kanzure | were you able to get freefem stuff to work? | 08:44 |
| masked | kanzure: hi | 08:44 |
| kanzure | ooh ooh did you also see the shape optimization demo that freefem has? i think there was one for a pair of pliers? | 08:44 |
| masked | pm | 08:44 |
| kanzure | hi masked | 08:44 |
| kanzure | nah, let's talk about it in here | 08:44 |
| masked | here will do | 08:44 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/ | 08:44 |
| masked | code | 08:44 |
| kanzure | hrm the files aren't there.. let me dig. | 08:45 |
| masked | in respect to epoc | 08:45 |
| masked | i'm not really a coder | 08:45 |
| masked | one day maybe | 08:45 |
| masked | been using linux tho for about 15 years | 08:45 |
| masked | helped lots with debugging apps etc | 08:45 |
| kanzure | i had this laying around and just uploaded it but it's irrelevant http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/Emotiv.cs | 08:45 |
| masked | this code you're written | 08:46 |
| masked | just reads raw eeg data? | 08:46 |
| kanzure | yeah i have a script around here somewhere that i used to record the raw data coming in from the bluetooth dongle | 08:47 |
| kanzure | so it's still encrypted data | 08:47 |
| kanzure | like dis: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/kanzure_emotiv_epoc_egg.dat | 08:47 |
| masked | ahh, bluetooth you say | 08:47 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure that's what the headset uses to communicate wirelessly | 08:47 |
| masked | yeah, they just said it was proprietary | 08:48 |
| masked | windows of course as you know just sees it as a hid device | 08:48 |
| masked | i have hardly used the thing since i got it | 08:49 |
| kanzure | okay here you go | 08:50 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/emotiv.py | 08:50 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/emotiv_hid.py | 08:50 |
| masked | hmm dmesg reports loading of hiddev | 08:50 |
| masked | you said encrypted | 08:51 |
| masked | the epoc encrypts its data? | 08:51 |
| kanzure | yes otherwise emotiv would be out of business selling software | 08:52 |
| kanzure | they sell you .exe files that have the encryption keys somewhere in 'em | 08:52 |
| masked | of course, just that there is next to nothing of the device | 08:52 |
| kanzure | what? | 08:53 |
| masked | there is not much to the device, the headset, electrodes, wire to the little space at the back that seems to have the bluetooth etc etc | 08:53 |
| masked | i can't imagine there is much horsepower to encrypt the data with any fancy algorythms | 08:54 |
| masked | i suppose you know of http://openeeg.sf.net | 08:55 |
| masked | the openeeg project? | 08:55 |
| kanzure | yes i know of it | 08:55 |
| kanzure | btw they are using a dsPIC33FJ64GP206 for encryption | 08:56 |
| kanzure | but you could just pop upen the case to look at the chip and read off the number to confirm | 08:56 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, does that string name a component? | 08:56 |
| JayDugger | Ah. | 08:56 |
| masked | does that do any sort of signal processing aswell? | 08:57 |
| masked | excuse my ignorance | 08:57 |
| kanzure | masked: also check out http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-03-08.log | 08:58 |
| masked | i have an old lexicor POD eeg here, great peice of machinary, great software, however it's old and dated DOS stuff | 08:58 |
| masked | doubt that would be encrypted however i don't know that i have a desktop with a parallel port around anywhere to even entertain the idea of it working with openeeg | 09:00 |
| kanzure | so, thesnark was doing a project to just blatantly replace the chips because he thought there was encryption on board | 09:01 |
| kanzure | i guess in retrospect it's possible that there is no encryption | 09:01 |
| kanzure | and maybe it's just me not knowing how to parse the data well enough | 09:02 |
| masked | do you know what to expect as data? | 09:02 |
| masked | oh right-o | 09:02 |
| masked | i do happen to know an EEG technician | 09:02 |
| masked | might pay to contact him | 09:02 |
| kanzure | you could conceivably just hook up an oscilloscope and a logic analyzer to the electrodes on the emotiv and just go from there | 09:03 |
| kanzure | but why not just work with openeeg instead? | 09:03 |
| masked | true. i can aquire a bluetooth unit that works with some OSS eeg apps | 09:04 |
| masked | however the electrodes are fiddly, i like the idea of the saline electrodes | 09:04 |
| masked | which are easy enough to make up too i guess | 09:04 |
| masked | have you tried wine? | 09:05 |
| kanzure | didn't work with wine but i didn't write down my version numbers or produce a valuable bug report | 09:05 |
| kanzure | i did test to see if everything was working on a microsoft windows laptop though | 09:05 |
| kanzure | (and everything was fine) | 09:05 |
| masked | yes, i have had some odd behaviour with it, but i dare say it's because i operate community wifi from my rooftop | 09:07 |
| masked | anyway | 09:12 |
| masked | good to touch base | 09:12 |
| masked | probably a rather useless chat but all the same, i'll look over what you've done and report back | 09:12 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 09:17 |
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| lepton | kanzure: sorry I went away again (too many projects, ah!!) | 09:42 |
| lepton | I was able to make good progress with FreeFEM doing 2D shape optimization for a compliant mechanism | 09:43 |
| lepton | Pulling code from some French example files pretty heavily | 09:43 |
| lepton | However, I have to manually define the volume to be meshed using linear equations | 09:43 |
| lepton | Which is a huge major pain | 09:43 |
| lepton | and that's where I'm at. I'd be interesting on putting together a GUI to bring in mesh data from a step file, or such | 09:44 |
| lepton | because it is capable of doing really cool shape optimization / FEA work | 09:44 |
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| kanzure | http://opencapitalist.org/content/open-source-electronic-manufacturing-line | 12:42 |
| kanzure | " The first and most complex is the actual Pick and Place machine. We have the software and hardware functional at this time. They still need some polishing, but the software works and all 4 axis move beautifully. We are going to offer a standalone pick and place machine for those that can make due with a more manual process." | 12:42 |
| kanzure | hardware functional? | 12:42 |
| kanzure | http://opencapitalist.org/content/open-source-pick-and-place | 12:42 |
| kanzure | http://opencapitalist.org/content/4-axis-stepper-motor-controller | 12:43 |
| kanzure | http://opencapitalist.org/content/open-source-pick-and-place-mechanical | 12:43 |
| kanzure | http://opencapitalist.org/content/pick-and-place-software | 12:43 |
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| kanzure | software is written in "labwindows" (whatever that means) | 12:44 |
| kanzure | i wonder if that's a ripoff of labview | 12:44 |
| lepton | I cringe every time labview is mentioned | 12:58 |
| kanzure | well hopefully darren actually has something of value | 13:00 |
| kanzure | he claims he has designed and built a working pick-and-place machine | 13:00 |
| kanzure | he also claims he's going to license it as open source :) | 13:00 |
| kanzure | (check the om post) | 13:00 |
| lepton | Cool! I'll have to check that not | 13:02 |
| lepton | for now: lunch | 13:02 |
| lepton | check that out* | 13:02 |
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| kanzure | is there a treediff out there for comparing two trees? | 13:44 |
| klafka | kanzure, you can use a graph kernel | 13:45 |
| klafka | although i think that for trees you could probably more efficiently compare them than that | 13:46 |
| kanzure | i have written lots of graph theory code stuff in the past but i'm not sure how i would represent the output or something | 13:56 |
| kanzure | i guess the diff part can be done by a breadth-first or depth-first search of some sort plus ranking of possible node origins or whatever | 13:56 |
| klafka | so you basically want to compute a binary tree isomorphism? | 14:01 |
| klafka | or see if two binary trees are isomorphic? | 14:01 |
| klafka | I gues since you're probably dealing with a rooted tree this is not so hard | 14:03 |
| klafka | you can do DFS to figure it out pretty simply i'd say | 14:03 |
| kanzure | i'm just tired of having to manually do it | 14:06 |
| kanzure | especially since it's between two documents where the numbering is different but the structure isn't | 14:06 |
| kanzure | er, the order of the elements is written in the file in a different way, which thereby determines the numbering of those elements, even though the tree ends up having the same structure anyway | 14:07 |
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| kanzure | http://www.spi.stewdle.com/?page_id=29 "open source manufacturing - our definition" it's uh just a bulletpoint outline that doesn't say anything new | 16:06 |
| QuantumG | is anyone calling you guys communists yet? | 16:11 |
| kanzure | patrick anderson maybe | 16:19 |
| QuantumG | that's when Free Software really took off | 16:19 |
| QuantumG | hate == press | 16:19 |
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| kanzure | hi bdesk | 16:48 |
| bdesk | sup | 16:49 |
| fenn | this is a neat demo, move the mouse horizontally across a curve http://interactionartist.com/classic/gameloader.php?GAME_NAME=TopograTouch | 16:53 |
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| bdesk | anyone know who drew the 'omg i missed the singularity' ad? | 17:11 |
| bdesk | it is one of my favorite things on the internet | 17:14 |
| kanzure | it's based off of something else that is supposedly popular and that i should know about but don't | 17:14 |
| bdesk | lichtenstein | 17:15 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:15 |
| bdesk | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Roy_Lichtenstein_Drowning_Girl.jpg | 17:15 |
| kanzure | bdesk: do you have a link to the ad? i'll ask david orban and he should know | 17:19 |
| kanzure | actually, wait | 17:20 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure i saw that first from hplusmagazine, so i should ask james instead | 17:20 |
| bdesk | http://www.boingboing.net/images/Aaad-omg-read-hplus.jpg | 17:20 |
| bdesk | it's not a big deal, i'm just curious to see other work by the artist. | 17:20 |
| kanzure | ok give it a few days and i might have something for you | 17:23 |
| kanzure | nice video of the WISE project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWT66OtVKuk | 17:54 |
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| kanzure | oh and a grad student on the project dropping in on slashdot: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1723156&cid=32941180 | 17:57 |
| kanzure | "Most of the low-hanging fruit has been plucked, says Neyarapally. We now have to delve further to identify and understand the molecules that maybe aren't so neatly and clearly correlated with the disease that we're trying to understand but are highly connected 'key nodes' in a network that enables the disease to occur." | 18:00 |
| bdesk | so that quote is saying that they have already looked at highly correlated molecules, and this failed, so now they will look at molecules with lower correlation, and they will look at the 'highly connected' low correlation molecules first? | 18:07 |
| fenn | bdesk: i think it was drawn by r.u. sirius | 18:09 |
| fenn | or at least remixed | 18:10 |
| bdesk | hah, that would make a lot of sense. | 18:10 |
| klafka | that man has one of my favorite quoets | 18:10 |
| klafka | quotes | 18:10 |
| klafka | "back when i was a kid I used to do a lot of acid, now that i'm older I eat a lot of antacid" | 18:11 |
| bdesk | because it seems more dada than kurzweil | 18:11 |
| kanzure | bdesk: well not necessarily because anything "failed". it was just a general description of systems biology applied to disease or something | 18:11 |
| kanzure | yeah so i met ken once | 18:12 |
| kanzure | shared a car ride with him | 18:12 |
| kanzure | he seemed about as there as ozzy osbourne | 18:12 |
| klafka | ken = r.u. sirius ? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:13 |
| kanzure | i can't believe he conned them into paying him $7k/mo for hplusmagazine.com | 18:13 |
| bdesk | it is worth it. | 18:14 |
| klafka | damn | 18:14 |
| klafka | can't be all crazy then :P | 18:15 |
| kanzure | bdesk: no.. have you read any of the articles? | 18:15 |
| klafka | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbk4yaPdurI | 18:15 |
| kanzure | he's the "editor" | 18:15 |
| bdesk | he's trollin, and without his touch i would be completely uninterested in hplus. | 18:16 |
| bdesk | well i would be interested in spinoff projects, but not hplus itself. | 18:16 |
| kanzure | are you talking about the organization with the name humanity+ or the concept of hplus? | 18:17 |
| bdesk | i'm talking about the tone of the movement. | 18:17 |
| bdesk | kanzure: for example, http://www.differenceengines.com/?p=319 | 18:21 |
| bdesk | "I'm not sure this magazine means it ironically but the graphic is funny nonetheless." | 18:22 |
| bdesk | "Yeah, the transhuman crowd doesn't do irony." | 18:22 |
| bdesk | "I attended the Transhumanism conference at Irvine in Dec 2009 - the highlight of which was meeting the delightful R. U. Sirius" | 18:22 |
| kanzure | (that's when i met ken) | 18:23 |
| kanzure | he wasn't funny at all.. just completely stoned and oblivious to what was going on around him | 18:23 |
| klafka | they do seem right though, transhumanists take themselves kind of seriously | 18:25 |
| klafka | :P | 18:25 |
| kanzure | actually i find that a lot of them are comedic geniuses | 18:26 |
| kanzure | just.. not under the spotlight | 18:26 |
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| bdesk | the hplus magazine is dead? | 18:50 |
| kanzure | ownership is being transferred around | 18:59 |
| kanzure | james owns it, but is giving it to the board of directors of humanity+, blah blah blah | 18:59 |
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| kanzure | gee google_ad_section_start looks like a way to game the system | 19:30 |
| kanzure | <!-- google_ad_section_start --> dwi austin texas <!-- google_ad_section_end --> | 19:30 |
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| kanzure | nootropics discussion on hacker news http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1524757 | 19:55 |
| eridu | I wonder how this stacks up to the reddit discussion | 19:56 |
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| kanzure | eridu: link? | 20:01 |
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| eridu | kanzure: the one you linked to on transhumanism in general | 20:03 |
| eridu | kanzure: apples to oranges, I guess | 20:03 |
| kanzure | ah | 20:03 |
| eridu | kanzure: I just don't have that high an opinion of hacker news | 20:03 |
| eridu | it seems very conservative and full of people who love to see themselves type | 20:04 |
| kanzure | the HN link i just dumped is much more focused on provigil and anecdotes | 20:04 |
| kanzure | conservative? | 20:04 |
| kanzure | huh | 20:04 |
| eridu | in the general sense | 20:04 |
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| kanzure | diybio-nyc should do a sequencing field trip to the statue of liberty | 20:08 |
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| kanzure | stalk: robert tercek | 20:12 |
| kanzure | oh he's the guy who does oprah | 20:12 |
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| kanzure | hrm where did all this come from http://openwetware.org/wiki/Talk:DIYbio:Notebook/Open_Gel_Box_2.0/Power_Supply | 21:47 |
| kanzure | probably jonathan | 21:47 |
| fenn | bkero: did you link to this once upon a time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUZIE78ZK_A | 21:50 |
| bkero | fenn: no | 22:03 |
| kanzure | ian and i were talking and i uploaded this for him | 22:12 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/openpcr_kickstarter_people.txt | 22:12 |
| kanzure | there are some interesting names on that list that you wouldn't have expected | 22:12 |
| kanzure | Endre Sebestyén for instance (blue obelisk) | 22:13 |
| kanzure | http://drop.io/openpcr_kickstarter_1 | 22:14 |
| fenn | another powers-of-ten-like flash animation that takes too long to download: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347 | 22:14 |
| fenn | i only recognize a few diybio names | 22:17 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/jperfetto/openpcr | 22:17 |
| kanzure | well at least josh does some programming like his job title claims he does :/ | 22:19 |
| kanzure | no make files? | 22:20 |
| kanzure | and no license.. | 22:20 |
| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: we should ask them for the license for their github files. | 22:20 |
| kanzure | it's pretty worthless.. look at the code | 22:20 |
| fenn | what did they actually release the files? | 22:20 |
| kanzure | fenn: nah just some hardcore hax0ring :P | 22:20 |
| Ian_Daniher | fenn: by that he means I paid $1 and poked around a bit | 22:21 |
| kanzure | check the drop.io link | 22:21 |
| kanzure | password protection on https://drop.io/openpcr_kickstarter_2/login | 22:21 |
| kanzure | what do you think? password: diybio4ever | 22:22 |
| kanzure | ? | 22:22 |
| Ian_Daniher | nah | 22:22 |
| kanzure | 'dnapoliii'? | 22:22 |
| kanzure | oh wait there's password protection on everything that doesn't exist | 22:23 |
| kanzure | http://picasaweb.google.com/TitoJankowski/KickstarterUpdate# | 22:24 |
| fenn | arrg chrome "knows" to use openoffice to view .csv files but doesn't know how to deal with a pdf? | 22:24 |
| kanzure | openoffice for .csv seems like overkill :/ | 22:24 |
| fenn | no shit | 22:25 |
| fenn | OO is overkill for anything | 22:25 |
| kanzure | it's like using a tank to declaw a kitty | 22:25 |
| Ian_Daniher | fenn: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/525000/525347_scale_of_universe_ng.swf | 22:27 |
| kanzure | if anyone has a domain name with private whois deets and is otherwise anonymous, please send me a message :/ | 22:27 |
| kanzure | it turns out i don't | 22:27 |
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| Ian_Daniher | anyone know spanish? | 22:33 |
| kanzure | i know a little | 22:33 |
| kanzure | ybit2 knows some, and fenn may or may not know spanish-in-japanese | 22:33 |
| kanzure | http://www.arquitecturabiologica.cl | 22:34 |
| fenn | sou desu ne, amigo | 22:34 |
| fenn | but google is easier to use | 22:34 |
| kanzure | fenn: i need to buy you a sombrero | 22:35 |
| fenn | a bicycle sombrero | 22:36 |
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| fenn | a sombrero that doubles as a bicycle wheel? | 22:37 |
| fenn | woah sweet http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/02/07/sombrero-flame-thrower/ | 22:37 |
| kanzure | it's modern because of the x in the name | 22:38 |
| kanzure | oh look | 23:50 |
| kanzure | http://abundancestudies.org/openpcr/ | 23:50 |
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