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| --- Day changed Tue Jul 20 2010 | ||
| fenn | foo?? does something supposedly but never seems to work | 00:00 |
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| fenn | i can't remember why i liked bpython over ipython | 00:00 |
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| heath | someone just recommended vimprobable: http://www.vimprobable.org/ | 02:25 |
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| * Utopiah likes Vimperator a lot (despite Flash/PDF/... awkwardness) | 02:25 | |
| ybit2 | i use firefox and chromium for most everything atm | 02:27 |
| Utopiah | try http://vimium.github.com/ then, very limited compared to Vimperator so far but maybe it will catchup | 02:28 |
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| bdesk | fenn: probably because #python loves bpython and hates ipython | 05:40 |
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| kanzure | bdesk: | 06:23 |
| kanzure | and i guess everyone else that cares | 06:23 |
| kanzure | http://hplusmagazine.com/ is back | 06:23 |
| Splicer | weee | 06:26 |
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| kanzure | haha someone finally found my fake twitter accounts :) | 09:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/crbfh/this_guy_has_2700_gmail_accounts_link_to_text/ | 09:40 |
| bdesk | wtf | 09:44 |
| bkero | kanzure: You realize you just gave me the most massive gmailfs FUSE RAID ever constructed, right? | 09:48 |
| kanzure | "fuse raid"? | 09:50 |
| kanzure | fusefs? | 09:50 |
| kanzure | i have no idea what you just said | 09:50 |
| bkero | kanzure: FUSE = filesystem in user space | 09:53 |
| bkero | RAID = Redundent array of Inexpensive Disks | 09:53 |
| bkero | Redundant | 09:53 |
| bkero | SOmeone made a filesystem that has storage backed by gmail | 09:53 |
| kanzure | ah | 09:54 |
| kanzure | right, yes i've used that before | 09:54 |
| bkero | Imagine setting that up with 2200 accounts, then RAIDing them together. | 09:56 |
| kanzure | mmm | 09:56 |
| splicer | feed from second day of BIOFAB meeting just stared: http://www.biofab.org/communitymeeting | 10:06 |
| bdesk | kanzure: whatever those accounts are, im pretty sure they are violating someones terms of service | 10:07 |
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| kanzure | bdesk: they are not real accounts.. try a few of them. | 10:44 |
| kanzure | http://torrentfreak.com/worlds-first-pirate-internet-provider-launches-in-sweden-100720/ | 10:47 |
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| kanzure | should i be watching the biofab stuff or doing "work" | 10:52 |
| bdesk | i like the ideas of the pyscholar and apt-get-hardware-store projects | 10:57 |
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| kanzure | bdesk: :) | 11:01 |
| kanzure | random assertion? | 11:01 |
| kanzure | bkero: are you going to mozilla drumbeat 2010? | 11:01 |
| kanzure | bdesk: oh, btw, on the pyscholar front | 11:03 |
| kanzure | i was trying to rally up some interest from the zotero folks | 11:03 |
| kanzure | zotero.org is commonly known for the firefox extension but they also have an open source server package thing going on | 11:03 |
| bkero | kanzure: Isn't that in Europe? | 11:03 |
| kanzure | where people can synchronize papers across their different firefox sessions | 11:03 |
| bkero | I don't think they're going to fly me over there. | 11:03 |
| kanzure | bkero: if they really loved you, they would fly you over | 11:03 |
| kanzure | you're doomed | 11:03 |
| bkero | kanzure: lol, maybe when I'm not an intern | 11:04 |
| kanzure | bdesk: so, recently they had a major version shift or update (or finally went open source on the server-side software?) | 11:04 |
| kanzure | bdesk: so i used that as an opportunity to suggest something related to pyscholar | 11:04 |
| kanzure | in particular, i think it's a terrible idea that zotero's "translators" (scrapers) are on the user-side | 11:04 |
| kanzure | right now the workflow goes like this: you go to a website that has the paper you want, you press scrape, javascript starts parsing the page and extracting the metadata | 11:05 |
| bdesk | you want it to be server side so they can cache it and have a huge database? | 11:05 |
| kanzure | but i suggested this: you press the button, it sends the HTML content to zotero.org, and zotero.org has an actively maintained set of scrapers | 11:05 |
| kanzure | welll | 11:05 |
| kanzure | caching would be hawt, but no | 11:05 |
| kanzure | there'd just be one single point of failure | 11:06 |
| bdesk | are the scrapers user-written ? | 11:06 |
| kanzure | so everyone would update the translator to make it work on the server-side.. so that way you always have up-to-date scrapers | 11:06 |
| kanzure | scrapers/translators are sorta user-written.. that's the primary contribution that user-developers make to the zotero project | 11:06 |
| bdesk | how are the translators kept up to date now? | 11:07 |
| kanzure | someone notices it's broken and eventually someone else fixes it, submits it to zotero.org, and the firefox extension will eventually check for an updated version | 11:07 |
| bdesk | does the firefox plugin say something like 'click here to upgrade your PLOS scraper'? | 11:07 |
| kanzure | i want to say yes but i can't remember ever reading a message like that | 11:08 |
| bdesk | so you would prefer the translators to be written in python so they could be more easily incorporated into the borg? also will the javascript translators run without the browser? | 11:08 |
| bdesk | javascript seems to be drinking more and more of python's milkshakes | 11:09 |
| kanzure | theoretically the javascript translators *could* run without a browser.. i.e. something like mozilla-spidermonkey but a lot of it is heavily browser-dependent and integrated with the DOM | 11:09 |
| kanzure | also i haven't ever successfully used a non-browser implementation of javascript | 11:09 |
| kanzure | i don't know if scrapers should be written in python- that's definitely one possibility | 11:10 |
| bdesk | i was just using python as an example of a more server-side language that you were suggesting. | 11:10 |
| kanzure | a lot of what the scrapers tend to be are just xpaths.. //[a@id='5']/div/[div@class='390141']/font | 11:11 |
| Utopiah | you can use Google V8 as a VM to run JavaScript outsde of the browser and rather efficiently as that (that's what NodeJS is based on) | 11:12 |
| bdesk | so you could somehow incorporate these into pyscholar, or you would rather just steer zotero towards becoming something you could use instead of pyscholar? | 11:12 |
| kanzure | zotero.org is a pretty interesting community.. i've never seen any other "community of scraper writers" | 11:12 |
| bdesk | where is most of the community? | 11:13 |
| kanzure | bdesk: well, if zotero is successfully steered in that direction, pyscholar would probably just use a zotero-web-api thing under the hood but still otherwise be the same | 11:13 |
| kanzure | bdesk: the mailing list (maybe the forums?) | 11:13 |
| kanzure | i.e. zotero-dev | 11:13 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/zotero-dev | 11:13 |
| kanzure | lawl "If contributing a site translator, please post the JS file to the Files section and then send a note to the list." | 11:14 |
| kanzure | awful.. | 11:14 |
| bdesk | you mean awful compared to github or something? | 11:14 |
| kanzure | why not just email a patch, or give out svn access, or something | 11:16 |
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| kyb3R | I used to use zotero, but not anymore | 11:23 |
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| kanzure | yeah i don't use it so often any more either | 11:24 |
| kanzure | the interface is pretty clunky- probably works best if you have a few extra monitors to spare | 11:24 |
| kyb3R | nowadays I'm satisfied with lyx and Pybliographic | 11:25 |
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| kyb3R | and Dia satisfies most of the graph needs | 11:29 |
| kyb3R | but who knows, perhaps another kind of set next year | 11:29 |
| kanzure | huh? why is dia/graphviz relevent here? does zotero do some sort of graphing funtion | 11:30 |
| kanzure | *function | 11:30 |
| kyb3R | it was a bit off-topic | 11:30 |
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| kyb3R | nevermind | 11:31 |
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| kanzure | oh i guess you might mean graphing the citation tree | 11:35 |
| kanzure | well, in some cases it's a network :/ | 11:35 |
| kanzure | how does this monitor for new publications by an author? http://codingseed.com/ | 11:36 |
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| bdesk | i wonder if there is a citation cycle | 11:38 |
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| kanzure | sometimes people cite an article that is forthcoming (i.e. something they reviewed) | 11:43 |
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| kanzure | "The position of the ISSCR Task Force is that the provision of an untested experimental or innovative therapy to more than two participants is a departure from recommended pratice and should be tested in a regulated and authorized clinical trior prior to being offered for sale." | 12:52 |
| kanzure | actually that's not so bad | 12:52 |
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| kanzure | what is ginkgo bioworks going to do if biobricks don't deliver on their promises? | 13:48 |
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| cluckj | who owns them? | 13:54 |
| kanzure | who owns what? ginkgo or biobrick parts? | 13:58 |
| cluckj | ginko bioworks | 13:58 |
| kanzure | it's a tom knight thing | 13:58 |
| kanzure | http://ginkgobioworks.com/about.html | 13:59 |
| cluckj | hehe | 14:03 |
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| fenn | i love when they put in the extra effort to let you know that they're using a mac: http://vonautomatisch.at/media/uploads/grappelli/grappelli.jpg | 14:20 |
| fenn | mac snobs are cute in a disgusting sort of way | 14:20 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://cupidtino.com/ | 14:21 |
| kanzure | you can register on cupidtino once you buy your ipad | 14:21 |
| fenn | sample size of 2 is not very large | 14:21 |
| fenn | lol, really? is this an april fool's joke? | 14:21 |
| kanzure | no it's real :( | 14:22 |
| fenn | do i have to put gel in my hair to join? | 14:22 |
| kanzure | ah this is more descriptive: http://cupidtino.com/about | 14:22 |
| kanzure | "beautiful new dating site" | 14:22 |
| kanzure | my kidneys hurt | 14:22 |
| fenn | "do you wear all white and lay around on the floor? this site's for you!" | 14:23 |
| kanzure | it's a bed | 14:24 |
| fenn | self-identified as hipsters | 14:24 |
| kanzure | "This site is designed exclusively for Apple fans, and can only be accessed using an Apple product (Mac, iPhone or iPad)." oh please | 14:24 |
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| fenn | "Sending messages is free. | 14:26 |
| fenn | Reading them requires a paid membership ($4.79/month)." | 14:26 |
| fenn | SIGN ME UP | 14:26 |
| fenn | they must have put several minutes of hard thought into that business model | 14:27 |
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| kanzure | "Thank you for attending the special screening of Transcendent Man on July 21, 2010 at 7pm sharp. Doors will open at 6:30pm. The screening is sold out, so please plan to arrive early to find your seats prior to the start of the show." | 14:34 |
| fenn | hate mail sent. | 14:35 |
| * fenn pats self on back | 14:35 | |
| ghchinoy | cool, kanzure, you'll have to post a review somewhere | 14:38 |
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| ghchinoy | I haven't seen any of Kurzweil's movies yet :\ | 14:38 |
| kanzure | ghchinoy: i'm not going to be in the area tomorrow | 14:38 |
| kanzure | so i was going to give the ticket to fenn or bkero | 14:39 |
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| kanzure | ew andrew wants to outsource all the technical stuff for pink army to ginkgo bioworks :( | 14:41 |
| ghchinoy | oof | 14:42 |
| ghchinoy | Where is it, NYC? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | near menlo park, californiaB[B[B[B[B | 14:43 |
| ghchinoy | I've a friend in portola valley, dunno if he'd want to go... but it's all sold out? | 14:44 |
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| bkero | kanzure: :) | 14:47 |
| bkero | :w | 14:49 |
| bkero | :q | 14:49 |
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| bkero | Stupid terminal thingie | 14:50 |
| nsh__ | fenn, what you sending haetmael about? | 14:50 |
| fenn | apple dating site | 15:04 |
| fenn | i recommended that they start a new website with black background and for non-mac only | 15:05 |
| fenn | charging 9.74/mo to read messages but not to send | 15:05 |
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| kanzure | biohacklab hakerspace http://www.tmplab.org/2010/07/20/biohacklab-hackerspace/ | 15:26 |
| kanzure | their name is /tmp/lab? hmm | 15:26 |
| kanzure | http://www.lsdlive.org/biohack_101.pdf | 15:27 |
| kanzure | http://www.lsdlive.org/biology/biohack_102.pdf | 15:27 |
| kanzure | actual link to the first one is http://www.lsdlive.org/biology/biohack_101.pdf | 15:27 |
| kanzure | http://coffeeandsci.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/biohackers-je-prefere-biopunks/ | 15:33 |
| QuantumG | oh, french | 15:33 |
| QuantumG | surprisingly understandable french | 15:34 |
| kanzure | http://lianabrooks.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-to-design-your-own-virus.html | 15:35 |
| kanzure | yeah :) | 15:35 |
| kanzure | dunno what sung is talking about here http://friendfeed.com/bookhling/b4596719/so-consensus-seem-to-be-no-biohacking-without | 15:35 |
| QuantumG | hey, next time you go to something that has a "bioethics" panel, I dare you to make open access and patent-free research a topic | 15:36 |
| kanzure | why? | 15:36 |
| kanzure | isn't that usually the topic? | 15:36 |
| QuantumG | no. | 15:36 |
| QuantumG | usually "bioethics" is just a euphemism for "why amateurs shouldn't be doing this" | 15:37 |
| fenn | seconded | 15:37 |
| kanzure | maybe i just think differently, to me it's an issue of "ethics of innovation" (because primarily a lot of "innovation" involves lots of shady unethical bullshit) | 15:37 |
| kanzure | but you're right most people probably don't consider that | 15:37 |
| QuantumG | and also "how can we add more regulation to this?" | 15:38 |
| QuantumG | which is just a left-over from the 60s when they were calling for licensing of genetic engineering researchers | 15:38 |
| QuantumG | and they never stopped | 15:38 |
| kanzure | can anyone find names behind /tmp/lab in paris or biohacklabhackerspace? | 15:39 |
| Utopiah | /tmp/lab has its own wiki and #frlab on freenode | 15:40 |
| kanzure | ooh lots of nice activity in there | 15:41 |
| Utopiah | not right now because of Estive Numerique | 15:41 |
| Utopiah | http://www.estivenumerique.org/ south of France | 15:41 |
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| fenn | philippe langlois (philippelanglois(at)free.fr), st. eloy, france | 15:51 |
| Utopiah | yes | 15:52 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: do you know amael assour? | 15:58 |
| Utopiah | nop I dont think so, what is he working on | 16:04 |
| Utopiah | ? | 16:04 |
| cluckj | hah | 16:06 |
| cluckj | just for that I'm going to put myself on a bioethics panel at the next conference I go to | 16:07 |
| kanzure | how do indian phone numbers work | 16:09 |
| kanzure | if i want to make a call to, say, somewhere in karnataka and only have this for a phone number: 23666061 | 16:10 |
| kanzure | i know the country code is 91 and bangalore has a prefix of 80, but i'm not sure how to put that together (for instance, is it 9180?) | 16:11 |
| cluckj | let me see if my roommate is around | 16:12 |
| cluckj | nope, sorry | 16:13 |
| kanzure | "No prefix is required to call from one landline to another in the same STD area. A prefix of "0+STD code" is required to dial from a landline phone in one STD code area to another. A prefix of "0+STD code" is required to dial from a mobile phone in India to any landline number, irrespective of STD area." | 16:13 |
| cluckj | his family lives in india | 16:13 |
| kanzure | wtf is this shit | 16:13 |
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| kanzure | ok i guess it's 99-80-23666061 | 16:16 |
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| kanzure | hi Traveler08 | 16:40 |
| fenn | bkero: going to ephemerisle? there will be giant floating hamster balls | 16:55 |
| bkero | fenn: hvent heard of it before | 16:57 |
| fenn | http://fenn.freeshell.org/not_ephemerisle.png | 16:57 |
| fenn | http://groups.google.com/group/floating-festival | 16:58 |
| fenn | more background info http://ephemerisle.org/ | 17:00 |
| fenn | btw you wouldnt happen to have any junky bicycles would you? | 17:01 |
| fenn | someone i know wants to make a bike boat | 17:02 |
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| kanzure | i have no idea what bre is talking about here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XouksnwOoA4 | 18:59 |
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| bdesk | that is viral marketing for warner brothers | 19:08 |
| klafka | what's DCP? | 19:10 |
| bdesk | it's an ad | 19:10 |
| kanzure | bdesk: how do you know? | 19:11 |
| bdesk | that is like wondering about the secret message for the decoder ring in your breakfast cereal | 19:11 |
| kanzure | i don't eat cereals much, maybe this is why i am confused | 19:12 |
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| klafka | is anyone here going to defcon? | 19:14 |
| klafka | out of curiosity | 19:14 |
| QuantumG | I'm sure my coworkers are | 19:15 |
| JayDugger | No. | 19:15 |
| klafka | a bunch of people i know are doing deco/dj'ing for it | 19:15 |
| bdesk | sounds like a corporate trade show | 19:16 |
| klafka | it's a big hackercon | 19:16 |
| bdesk | i know that it used to be | 19:16 |
| klafka | idk it doesn't seem super trade showy | 19:16 |
| klafka | but i'm only seeing it from one side | 19:17 |
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| bdesk | http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=1157 | 19:22 |
| kanzure | speaking of vulnerability markets, i really enjoy reading dacho danchev | 19:24 |
| kanzure | *danho danchev | 19:24 |
| kanzure | grr | 19:24 |
| kanzure | *dancho | 19:24 |
| kanzure | http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/ | 19:25 |
| fenn | who the hell came up with 'ecards' anyway, and were they distributing malware? | 19:35 |
| fenn | i just dont see how it could be a good thing | 19:35 |
| fenn | and that blog doesnt say anything about vulnerability markets | 19:37 |
| fenn | also how the heck do you sell a secret | 19:37 |
| fenn | "i know something. pay me a million bucks or else." | 19:38 |
| JayDugger | I'll give you $20 for your credit card number and CCV. | 19:38 |
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| fenn | nah usually people will give it if you just ask | 19:38 |
| fenn | "name? dob? ssn? cc?" | 19:39 |
| fenn | i wonder if people will ever get as uptight about sharing other sorts of information as they are with ssn's | 19:39 |
| JayDugger | Sure. No. No. No. | 19:39 |
| JayDugger | Yes. | 19:39 |
| fenn | you don't count, you're a libertarian | 19:40 |
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| JayDugger | eVerify caused a great deal of grief where I work. | 19:40 |
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| fenn | wha's that | 19:40 |
| JayDugger | So did the employer trying to apply TSA guidelines to non-pilots. | 19:40 |
| fenn | what, like you arent allowed to drink 24 hours before going to work? | 19:41 |
| JayDugger | Another silly government program designed to ensure only citizens and green card holders get to work at companies with certain kinds of Federal contracts. | 19:41 |
| klafka | TSA guidelines to non-pilots seems quite a bit more than that | 19:42 |
| fenn | if the US outsources defense contractors we'll have no industry left | 19:42 |
| JayDugger | Graduate schools. | 19:42 |
| klafka | isn't defense contracting like ~30% of our GDP at this point ? | 19:42 |
| JayDugger | Not hardly. | 19:42 |
| fenn | personally i don't care, but it seems like a stupid strategy to have no business model beyond intellectual property laws | 19:42 |
| klafka | and grad school is almost all foreign too | 19:42 |
| fenn | right | 19:43 |
| JayDugger | No, its mostly foreign customers. | 19:43 |
| fenn | sth like 80% non-american grad students? | 19:43 |
| JayDugger | That's not the same thing. | 19:43 |
| klafka | our only export, graduate degrees | 19:43 |
| JayDugger | Hardly. | 19:43 |
| fenn | and coca cola | 19:43 |
| JayDugger | There you go. :) | 19:43 |
| fenn | (the brand, not the soda) | 19:43 |
| klafka | heh | 19:43 |
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| bdesk | we can have a business model built on synergy, and the intellectual property laws are just regulations that protect our synergy. | 19:44 |
| fenn | to quote Neo, "I know CSS!" | 19:45 |
| JayDugger | http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregsaul/sets/72157624163677669/ | 19:45 |
| JayDugger | Photos from the SketchChair project on Make's blog today. | 19:45 |
| fenn | if you can't baffle 'em with bullshit, pile it higher and deeper | 19:46 |
| JayDugger | http://gregsaul.co.nz/SketchChair/ | 19:46 |
| JayDugger | Actual project page, not the layers of blog references available through Make. | 19:46 |
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| fenn | being 2d kinda makes it "so what" | 19:47 |
| JayDugger | ? | 19:47 |
| fenn | if it automatically sliced and made tab-slot 2d shapes for abitrary 3d shapes, that would be something | 19:48 |
| JayDugger | It only makes chairs, fenn. | 19:48 |
| fenn | am i missing something? how does it make the curved "butt" part in the one the guy is sitting on | 19:48 |
| fenn | compound curvature | 19:49 |
| JayDugger | As we said in defense contracts when the customer wanted something for nothing: "Sorry, not in scope." | 19:49 |
| * fenn watches the friggin video.. gawd! | 19:49 | |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:50 |
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| fenn | i remember back in the old datys when webpages had explanations on them | 19:50 |
| fenn | i like the physics integration into the cad process, that's neat | 19:52 |
| fenn | oh, it's with takeo igarashi (maybe?) | 19:58 |
| kanzure | "i remember back in the old days when web pages had explanations on them" :( | 19:58 |
| fenn | he did various other sketching interfaces, like stuffed animal draw | 19:58 |
| fenn | http://www-ui.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~takeo/teddy/teddy.htm | 19:59 |
| fenn | http://www-ui.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~takeo/research/rigid/index.html | 20:00 |
| kanzure | i forget what they call this technique in cartoon animation studios | 20:01 |
| kanzure | where they don't quite have 3D modeling, but there's some sort of useful manipulation process going on | 20:01 |
| kanzure | "Google relies on Twilio [twilio.com] for their audio transcription." huh i didn't know that | 20:12 |
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| AJollyLife | klafka: im going to defcon (and most hacker cons for that matter) | 20:22 |
| AJollyLife | klafka: bdesk: defcon is not tradeshowey, blackhat is sorta, rsa certainly is | 20:22 |
| klafka | neato | 20:23 |
| klafka | well be sure to check out the party, my friends are gonna do some epic deco | 20:23 |
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| AJollyLife | klafka: which party? there are tons of parties at bh/dc | 20:47 |
| klafka | the official one? | 20:47 |
| AJollyLife | freakshow? black and white ball? who are your friends? | 20:48 |
| kanzure | "who are your friends?" i ask myself that every morning | 20:48 |
| klafka | scott is organizing it iirc | 20:48 |
| klafka | great_scott | 20:48 |
| AJollyLife | ahh, hes playing the zombie ball | 20:49 |
| klafka | zebbler and kate are doing deco, and let's see i think great_scott, ProfessorPious, Afromonk, Sugarpill are DJ'ing | 20:49 |
| AJollyLife | https://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-18/dc-18-entertainment.html | 20:50 |
| AJollyLife | dc/bh has so many parties | 20:50 |
| klafka | yeah | 20:50 |
| klafka | well they are largely non-overlapping it seems | 20:51 |
| AJollyLife | no way | 20:52 |
| AJollyLife | http://www.securityaegis.com/blackhat-and-defcon-parties/ | 20:52 |
| AJollyLife | much overlap | 20:52 |
| klafka | oooh | 20:52 |
| klafka | oh i was just looking at the official ones or whatever | 20:53 |
| klafka | i am maybe gonna try and go next year | 20:53 |
| klafka | <_< | 20:53 |
| AJollyLife | im at most hackercons out there...but defcon is especially busy for me, too many competitions | 20:53 |
| klafka | aah | 20:53 |
| klafka | do they take papers or presentations or posters or whatever? | 20:53 |
| AJollyLife | yeah, you can apply to be a speaker. no posters. | 20:54 |
| klafka | is it more like an academic con or more like a hobbyist con? | 20:54 |
| AJollyLife | its a hackercon....closer to hobby con i guess | 20:54 |
| AJollyLife | blackhat is more of an corporate con | 20:54 |
| AJollyLife | neither are very academic | 20:54 |
| klafka | aah i see | 20:54 |
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| kanzure | bdesk: a non-browser version of javascript http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/ | 21:52 |
| QuantumG | there's some server-side-javascript thing too | 21:53 |
| QuantumG | node.js ? | 21:53 |
| QuantumG | apparently some people are into it. | 21:53 |
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| bkero | kanzure: you can get tracemonkey outside of javascript | 22:44 |
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| Splicer | who are the main transhumanist thinkers at the moment? kurtzweil, max-more, anders sandberg, who else? | 23:31 |
| kanzure | kurzweil doesn't really associate himself with transhumanism | 23:32 |
| kanzure | max hasn't written anything interesting in a decade (or so) but is publishing a book with his old writings | 23:32 |
| kanzure | anders mellowed out and became an ethicist | 23:32 |
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| Splicer | who is left then? | 23:33 |
| kanzure | uh | 23:33 |
| Splicer | I thought kurzweil was the transhumanist posterboy | 23:33 |
| Splicer | postergranpa | 23:33 |
| kanzure | no.. he's the posterboy for "the law of accelerating returns" and economics-in-the-singularity | 23:33 |
| Splicer | isn't the singularity key in transhumanism? | 23:34 |
| kanzure | not necessarily | 23:34 |
| Splicer | I didn't know he didn't call himself a transhumanist | 23:34 |
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| kanzure | a singularity could be caused byu transhumans i guess but it's not an inevitably | 23:34 |
| kanzure | *inevatability | 23:34 |
| kanzure | http://kurzweilai.net/ | 23:35 |
| kanzure | *by | 23:35 |
| fenn | kurzweil is transhumanist he just doesn't use thw rod | 23:35 |
| fenn | s/thw rod/ the word/ | 23:35 |
| kanzure | god damn it what's wrong with the lags | 23:35 |
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| fenn | dunno what a 'transhumanist thinker' is anyway | 23:36 |
| Splicer | s there someone at the moment doing what sandberg did? | 23:36 |
| Splicer | is | 23:36 |
| kanzure | what exactly did anders do? | 23:37 |
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| kanzure | write a paper on superintelligent superobjects? | 23:37 |
| fenn | calculated some back of the napkin things relating to jupiter brains | 23:37 |
| kanzure | heh | 23:37 |
| fenn | i liked some of his pov-ray art | 23:37 |
| fenn | (some of it) | 23:38 |
| Splicer | He and max more made some efforts towards a transhumanist philosophy | 23:38 |
| kanzure | for those who didn't know: the physics of information processing superobjects www.jetpress.org/volume5/Brains2.pdf | 23:38 |
| kanzure | er | 23:38 |
| kanzure | http://www.jetpress.org/volume5/Brains2.pdf | 23:38 |
| kanzure | sure, max wrote some lists of extropian/transhumanism principles.. | 23:39 |
| kanzure | extropian principles http://www.maxmore.com/extprn3.htm | 23:39 |
| Splicer | is anyone doing that now? | 23:39 |
| kanzure | but honestly that sort of document doesn't impress me | 23:39 |
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| kanzure | it's good that someone wrote it down though.. at least there's that. | 23:39 |
| Splicer | i give up | 23:40 |
| kanzure | what?? | 23:40 |
| Splicer | is there someone at the helm of transhumanism? | 23:40 |
| fenn | no | 23:40 |
| Splicer | thank you | 23:40 |
| kanzure | not at all | 23:40 |
| fenn | you're welcome | 23:40 |
| fenn | good luck herding cats, to whoever tries | 23:41 |
| Splicer | the extropians were at the helm form a while.. they had a TAZ going | 23:41 |
| fenn | hm rhino might have actually been useful if they wrote it in C | 23:41 |
| kanzure | then WTA/james hughes fucked them in the ass | 23:42 |
| fenn | what's a TAZ? | 23:42 |
| fenn | oh, autonomous zone | 23:42 |
| fenn | never heard about that | 23:42 |
| Splicer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone | 23:43 |
| kanzure | max has seriously toned down his anarchistic writings | 23:43 |
| kanzure | to the extent that he has asked me not to publish those original articles from the extropy journals | 23:43 |
| kanzure | :( | 23:43 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Erogenous_Zone <- doesn't exist but should | 23:43 |
| fenn | kanzure: what's his reasoning? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | searching for extropy+TAZ on google brings up a lot of high quality results | 23:44 |
| kanzure | fenn: i think you just get gradually less daring as you get older | 23:44 |
| kanzure | has to keep his consulting gigs, etc. | 23:44 |
| kanzure | also he asked me to hold the sex articcles | 23:45 |
| kanzure | *articles | 23:45 |
| kanzure | ocean colonization from extropy #5 http://www.telesterion.com/ocean.htm | 23:45 |
| Splicer | it was a temporary zone | 23:45 |
| fenn | kanzure: maybe he should change his name to 'tim' | 23:46 |
| fenn | tim id | 23:46 |
| kanzure | his original name was tim o'something | 23:46 |
| kanzure | or tom'osomething | 23:46 |
| fenn | oh, damn i got it wrong | 23:46 |
| kanzure | T. O'Connor | 23:46 |
| kanzure | oh hm | 23:47 |
| fenn | i thought it was tom o'reilly | 23:47 |
| -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 23:47 | |
| kanzure | you're thinking of tim o'reilly (social media bullshit) | 23:47 |
| fenn | no | 23:47 |
| kanzure | have you met thomas mccabe yet? | 23:48 |
| fenn | no, why? | 23:48 |
| kanzure | he wants to do a hostile takeover of humanity+ for some reason | 23:48 |
| fenn | i first read about cyclomatic complexity a few months ago | 23:49 |
| kanzure | he's a guy slightly younger than me who somehow weasled his way into singinst.org social circles and now is hot | 23:49 |
| kanzure | "and now is hot" <- i don't know what i was typing | 23:49 |
| fenn | so, not the same guy | 23:50 |
| kanzure | not the same guy | 23:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.rationalfuturist.com/ | 23:50 |
| fenn | oh, i argued with him a little over email | 23:50 |
| kanzure | he's a lesswrong/morewrong/whatever-fame-before-lesswrong advocate | 23:50 |
| kanzure | s/fame/came/ | 23:50 |
| fenn | moreright? | 23:51 |
| fenn | lol | 23:51 |
| kanzure | ah i was thinking of overcomingbias.com | 23:52 |
| kanzure | i met him on the net back in 2006 or 2007 but met up with him when i was hanging out with steve and anna | 23:52 |
| kanzure | so the whole eliezer cult thing.. was strong with this one. | 23:52 |
| kanzure | "world peace through world domination" http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/works/worlddomination.htm | 23:53 |
| kanzure | oh boy. | 23:53 |
| kanzure | coming from anyone else that'd be funny | 23:54 |
| kanzure | but since michael is one of the executives for singinst.org, not so much helping the "we're not trying to take over the world with ai" argument | 23:54 |
| kanzure | so anyway | 23:55 |
| kanzure | i'm not really sure there's anyone qualified to be "at the helm" | 23:55 |
| kanzure | so far some people have tried to take this role | 23:55 |
| kanzure | by hostile takeover and arguing bullshit and rhetoric | 23:55 |
| kanzure | Splicer: you know, aubrey might fit that role- although he's focusing on a subset of the overall problem space, and isn't really taking initiative in anything but life extension and longevity research | 23:59 |
| Splicer | Does he call himeslf transhumanist? | 23:59 |
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