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| phryk | Have a few people hook up those things to the same sound source | 00:00 |
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| phryk | and make a huge rave with people holdin ghands, and noone who doesn't touc the other people hears it | 00:00 |
| phryk | Would be fucking awesome | 00:00 |
| phryk | or just go through the town and have a monologue playing always repeating "You have to kill them, you know you want it! Do it already!" | 00:01 |
| phryk | and just go around and touch random peoples skin :3 | 00:01 |
| phryk | (I am a real asshole, yes) | 00:01 |
| phryk | mhh | 00:02 |
| phryk | 649EUR for the neurophone | 00:02 |
| phryk | thanks for suggesting that thing anyway | 00:03 |
| phryk | If i happen to have the money, I'll definitely get one of those :) | 00:04 |
| phryk | </big fucking monologue> | 00:05 |
| fenn | i figure it's doable with $10 worth of generic electronic components | 00:05 |
| phryk | fenn: D: | 00:06 |
| fenn | he explains how it works in various websites | 00:06 |
| phryk | But as I said I'm an idiot in terms of electricity. | 00:06 |
| phryk | I can solder stuff together - sure. | 00:06 |
| fenn | of course you will have to wade through bullshit like http://www.phisciences.com/ | 00:07 |
| phryk | But to get to the point to actually solder shit together is currently beyond me... | 00:07 |
| phryk | EWWW | 00:07 |
| phryk | KILLITWITHFIRE | 00:07 |
| fenn | lol http://www.thebuttkicker.com/ | 00:08 |
| phryk | fenn: When building that thing for 10 bucks, that would influence the sound-quality, wouldn't it? | 00:08 |
| phryk | Huh, that's just another bodyshaker, ain't it? | 00:09 |
| fenn | dunno, i doubt flanagan has done much actual improvement since the 80's | 00:09 |
| fenn | hmm. ultrasound underwater for VR tactile interface | 00:11 |
| fenn | just an idea | 00:11 |
| phryk | And I have no Idea what it means^^ | 00:12 |
| fenn | either an amazingly good or amazingly bad idea | 00:12 |
| phryk | whale song simulation? | 00:12 |
| fenn | phryk: take this thing and dunk it in a bucket http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSf2-jm0SsQ | 00:12 |
| phryk | That would be fucking amazing. | 00:13 |
| phryk | If it worked. | 00:13 |
| phryk | I think it would just die horribly the second it get's a current. | 00:13 |
| fenn | them's the breaks | 00:14 |
| fenn | i was looking at this page when i thought of it http://www.clarksynthesis.com/pool_and_spa_products.html | 00:14 |
| fenn | i should start keeping track of 'if i had a million dollars' stuff | 00:15 |
| phryk | that might jsut work | 00:16 |
| phryk | heh | 00:16 |
| phryk | also errm | 00:16 |
| phryk | i don't know how well this could work | 00:16 |
| phryk | but try just laying the ultrasound thingy underneath an aquarium | 00:16 |
| phryk | if the glass is thin enough, it might work... | 00:16 |
| phryk | You could also have a simple box made out of 1mm plexistuff, should suffice to hold a bit of water | 00:17 |
| phryk | or build a plexiglass thing around the speaker with just the insulated cable going out | 00:18 |
| fenn | oh, sure, just a bag of gel or whatever should work fine | 00:18 |
| phryk | as long as it doesn't get blasted away by the soundwaves... seemed to be somewhat powerful, but can't say since i didn't feel it | 00:19 |
| fenn | could combine with something like jef han's original reverse biased LED array multitouch sensor | 00:19 |
| fenn | damn i need a patron | 00:20 |
| phryk | http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html <-- thingy? | 00:20 |
| fenn | probably not. is that the google maps demo? | 00:20 |
| phryk | i have no idea | 00:21 |
| phryk | first thing with touch whatever in the title | 00:21 |
| fenn | this is what i was referring to http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ledtouch/index.html | 00:22 |
| fenn | the point is to sense where the fingers are in the gel bag and not get in the way of the ultrasound | 00:23 |
| fenn | so you interleave LED's and ultrasound transducers | 00:23 |
| * fenn waves to the patent trolls | 00:25 | |
| phryk | Ohmigod | 00:25 |
| phryk | leds can sense light, too?? | 00:25 |
| phryk | fenn: Do you have circuit diagrams for that thing? | 00:27 |
| fenn | i think there was a huge thread on sparkfun about it | 00:29 |
| fenn | http://www.pcb-dev.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=56&lang=english | 00:35 |
| fenn | arm7 is probably overkill, i think this could be done with an atmega | 00:35 |
| phryk | doesn't seem like circuit diagrams :/ | 00:36 |
| phryk | Well | 00:36 |
| phryk | I just sent a mail to han asking for them^^ | 00:37 |
| fenn | hah good luck | 00:37 |
| phryk | Heh | 00:37 |
| phryk | Would be nice for a change | 00:37 |
| fenn | he says he gets thousands of emails a day since demoing the FTIR thing | 00:38 |
| phryk | FTIR? | 00:38 |
| fenn | btw i dont know why you said "doesn't seem like circuit diagrams" - there are eagle files if you click "download" on the left | 00:39 |
| fenn | gpl even | 00:40 |
| phryk | whut | 00:40 |
| phryk | i am dumb | 00:40 |
| phryk | Mhh | 00:42 |
| phryk | but he uses ir leds | 00:42 |
| phryk | can i just use other leds? | 00:42 |
| phryk | i'd like to use that thing as display as well | 00:42 |
| fenn | yeah, they all have to be the same color though (you can use RGB too i guess) | 00:42 |
| phryk | nah one colour is sufficient | 00:43 |
| phryk | i plan on controlling mpd with it | 00:43 |
| fenn | uh.. ok | 00:43 |
| JayDugger | fenn--wasn't there an article in Science or Nature a decade or so ago about the neurophone. It stimulates one of the inner ear's structures, IIRC. | 00:43 |
| phryk | i can have a "clickable" display on my wall | 00:43 |
| phryk | the awesome part is | 00:43 |
| JayDugger | No one plays with them because Flanagan charges a small fortune. | 00:43 |
| phryk | i can render a little interface with next stop pause etc | 00:43 |
| fenn | JayDugger: yes that's what it says on his website | 00:43 |
| phryk | and only the things that are displayed are sensitive to touch | 00:44 |
| fenn | phryk: i think you could have 'dark' leds sensitive too (because humans cant see very quick flashes of light) | 00:45 |
| fenn | all LED's would be on for a few microseconds each | 00:45 |
| fenn | or however long your adc takes | 00:45 |
| phryk | ah yes | 00:46 |
| phryk | but i don't want that ;) | 00:46 |
| phryk | i think the hard part will be designing an interface that fits on 8x8 | 00:47 |
| Alystair | anyone here in NYC? | 00:47 |
| JayDugger | Has anyone worked up a Google custom search engine for the #hplusroadmap logs? | 00:48 |
| Alystair | going to be in the area for a week, need cool things to check out during downtime, possibly people :P | 00:48 |
| fenn | JayDugger: just do site:gnusha.org <query> | 00:48 |
| JayDugger | Alystair, not me. | 00:48 |
| JayDugger | fenn--duh. Thanks. | 00:48 |
| fenn | Alystair: go to the lincoln center on friday the 13th at 8 pm, and record super-collider, pardue, and gamelan elektrika for me, k thx | 00:50 |
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| fenn | bring a mic with wide frequency response | 00:51 |
| fenn | oh yeah, kronos quartet, meh | 00:52 |
| fenn | Alystair: http://new.lincolncenter.org/live/index.php/ood-2010-kronos-kenge | 00:52 |
| fenn | holy crap they were in baraka | 00:53 |
| fenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkxuPxdsZ58 | 00:56 |
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| Utopiah | http://events.ccc.de/2010/07/30/27c3-we-come-in-%20peace-call-for-participation/ | 03:02 |
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| kanzure | Alystair: pmetzger is in the nyc area | 08:42 |
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| kanzure | hi vsrinivas | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | Alystair: pmetzger is in the nyc area | 11:17 |
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| Alystair | danke | 12:07 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: so it turns out i'm becoming the new manager of the gada prize | 14:34 |
| kanzure | which means i'll get to fix the criteria | 14:34 |
| kanzure | (i.e. the common complaints that everyone has about it) | 14:34 |
| genehacker | what? | 14:55 |
| genehacker | what do you mean fix? | 14:55 |
| genehacker | eliminate the print without a computer criteria? | 14:56 |
| genehacker | all those things can be done | 14:56 |
| genehacker | it's just that print without a computer limits fluidic reprap's effectiveness | 14:57 |
| genehacker | how did you become the new manager of the Gada Prize? | 14:57 |
| genehacker | and could you set up an actual registration website for it? | 14:57 |
| kanzure | yeah i'll setup some webpages for it when all the paperwork is done | 14:58 |
| kanzure | "print without a computer" wasn't one of the complaints | 14:58 |
| kanzure | i think the problematic parts are the things like "be able to print a 6-sided PCB in under 20 minutes" or whatever | 14:59 |
| kanzure | http://www.foresight.org/gadaprize.php | 15:00 |
| kanzure | uh i guess i'll also be fixing typos "# Demonstrate a build volume of the printer above 300x300x100mm in order to insure that items daily utility can be printed." | 15:00 |
| kanzure | "# The capacity to print a full set of parts for a complete replica of itself within 10 days unattended save for clearing no more than one printer head jam." | 15:01 |
| genehacker | 6 sided PCB in under 20 minutes where's that? | 15:01 |
| kanzure | heh "# Software to drive and manage banks of RepRap printers" | 15:02 |
| kanzure | genehacker: that was an exaggeration of a claim that i had previously heard.. let me go find some notes on this | 15:02 |
| kanzure | "# Hardware and software systems to automatically unload printed parts from RepRap printers" wasn't this what the belt is for? | 15:02 |
| genehacker | that was probably suggested by bowyer | 15:03 |
| genehacker | the belt requires infinite tension to remain flat | 15:04 |
| genehacker | or very larger amounts of tension | 15:04 |
| genehacker | IE 10 kilonewtons | 15:04 |
| kanzure | http://forums.reprap.org/list.php?171 | 15:04 |
| genehacker | which in american units is close to about 2 tons | 15:05 |
| kanzure | http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/Gada_Prize | 15:05 |
| genehacker | go tell #reprap | 15:05 |
| kanzure | ew it's sebastien baillard telling everyone to use the reprap wiki | 15:05 |
| kanzure | wtf is his problem | 15:06 |
| genehacker | he wants people to actually document their work | 15:06 |
| kanzure | that fact is unrelated to his insistence on using mediawiki | 15:06 |
| kanzure | i think documentation is great too.. sure. | 15:06 |
| genehacker | what's the problem with that? | 15:07 |
| genehacker | anyway go tell #reprap | 15:07 |
| kanzure | tell what to #reprap? | 15:07 |
| genehacker | that you're managing the gada prize | 15:09 |
| kanzure | i'm not though | 15:09 |
| genehacker | they'll have plenty of suggestions | 15:09 |
| genehacker | why? | 15:09 |
| kanzure | i said specifically that it's in progress | 15:09 |
| genehacker | what is? | 15:09 |
| kanzure | me becoming the manager | 15:09 |
| genehacker | how are you becoming the manager? | 15:10 |
| kanzure | it involves some legal paperwork on their end i think | 15:10 |
| genehacker | ok, but please, set up a registration system that's better than what sebastien has | 15:11 |
| kanzure | agreed | 15:11 |
| genehacker | afterall he is on one of the teams and he could be biased | 15:11 |
| kanzure | he's on multiple teams | 15:11 |
| genehacker | yeah I know | 15:12 |
| kanzure | maybe they will all fuse into one giant team orgy | 15:12 |
| kanzure | who knows | 15:12 |
| kanzure | actually i should add that to the wiki page | 15:13 |
| kanzure | "Team Orgy: bumraping all the participants" | 15:13 |
| kanzure | (or something) | 15:13 |
| genehacker | well one of the plans has been to donate the winnings to reprap foundation | 15:14 |
| genehacker | to replace the stuff that was supposedly stolen by makerbot | 15:14 |
| genehacker | or was that legit? I don't know | 15:14 |
| kanzure | was there physical materials and stuff stolen? i didn't follow that fiasco too closely | 15:14 |
| kanzure | fenn did iirc.. he'll probably correct the record later | 15:14 |
| genehacker | well I know Bowyer is investing in Makerbot Industries | 15:15 |
| kanzure | did you see pp3pd.com? | 15:16 |
| genehacker | yes | 15:16 |
| kanzure | pp3dp.com i mean | 15:16 |
| genehacker | I know what you're talking about | 15:17 |
| kanzure | i wonder what's with the elipsses in the giant "US$1500 Only!!.." | 15:17 |
| genehacker | it's cheaper than any other "commercially made" 3d printers out there | 15:17 |
| genehacker | also SLS printers are awesome when they work | 15:18 |
| genehacker | but a little bit dirty to work with | 15:18 |
| kanzure | i think this is him: Kartik Gada (408) 249-7896 3480 Granada Ave, Santa Clara, CA 95051-3478 | 15:21 |
| kanzure | oh, nevermind | 15:25 |
| kanzure | wait, yes. he's just not with netgear anymore | 15:25 |
| kanzure | http://www.reliancecapitalgroup.com/ well this doesn't look encouraging | 15:29 |
| kanzure | oh this is it: http://reliancecp.com/ | 15:30 |
| kanzure | okay, that's better | 15:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.mmdnewswire.com/reliance-capital-partners-llc-closes-on-428-unit-apartment-portfolio-in-little-rock-ar-area-3891.html | 15:44 |
| kanzure | "Debt financing was provided by One Bank and Trust for Willow Bend and Madison Realty Capital for St. John and Shorter College Gardens" | 15:44 |
| kanzure | "Intrepid Management Inc. has been awarded the management contracts for the properties. Intrepid Management currently manages more than 1,800 units in the Southeast portion of the US." | 15:44 |
| kanzure | so wait.. what did reliancecp.com do in this news article? | 15:44 |
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| kanzure | a diagram of this business model: http://www.danter.com/taxcredit/lihtccht.htm | 15:50 |
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| fenn | i sure wouldnt invest in it | 16:41 |
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| kanzure | "who's afraid of synthetic biology?" an old pop mechanics article http://kelltrill.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/whos-afraid-of-synthetic-biology/ | 19:17 |
| fenn | kanzure would you please powercycle either tub or davinci? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | i'll check davinci on monday (i'm guessing the lab is locked on the weekends) | 19:20 |
| kanzure | give tub a minute to re-tuberate but it should be good | 19:21 |
| fenn | The German Ebola virus incident gives us a glimpse of this rapid-response future. The researcher who pricked her finger with the contaminated needle was probably saved by being injected with an experimental vaccine 40 hours after she was exposed to the virus. | 19:24 |
| fenn | </ammo> | 19:24 |
| kanzure | andrew was telling me this story the other day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGN1412 | 19:25 |
| kanzure | "Originally intended for the treatment of B cell chronic lymphocytic leukemia (B-CLL) and rheumatoid arthritis,[1] it is a humanised monoclonal antibody that not only binds to, but is a strong agonist for, the CD28 receptor of the immune system's T cells.[2]" | 19:26 |
| kanzure | "In its first human clinical trials in March 2006, it caused catastrophic systemic organ failure in the subjects, despite being administered at a supposed sub-clinical dose of 0.1 mg per kg; some 500 times lower than the dose found safe in animals.[3] Six volunteers were hospitalized on 13 March 2006, at least four of these suffering from multiple organ dysfunction, and one trial volunteer is said to show signs of developing cancer." | 19:26 |
| kanzure | "systemic organ failure" | 19:26 |
| kanzure | "The developing company, TeGenero Immuno Therapeutics, entered into insolvency proceedings later in 2006. Tentative opinions from an as-yet uncompleted inquiry suggest that the problems resulted from "unforeseen biological action in humans", rather than breach of trial protocols,".. well besides going straight from 0 humans to 6 humans | 19:27 |
| kanzure | "The drug was given by intravenous infusion, starting at 8am, with an interval of around 10 minutes between patients, and each infusion lasting from 3 to 6 minutes.[15] Roughly five minutes after the last participant had received his dose, the participant who had received the first dose complained of headache, and soon afterwards fever and pain. He took his shirt off, complaining that he felt like he was burning. Shortly after, the remaining partici | 19:29 |
| kanzure | "Until the expert group has reported, all further clinical trial applications involving first-in-humans trials of any monoclonal antibody or other novel molecules targeting the immune system will not be authorised in the UK." huh | 19:33 |
| fenn | yes, but does it cure leukemia? | 19:48 |
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| fenn | ew, it turns you into 'elephant man' | 19:49 |
| fenn | sounds like something out of an anime | 19:49 |
| kanzure | yes we can cure you of cancer but there's a catch.. | 19:49 |
| kanzure | the talk page for that article is fairly useful- for instance, the binding affinity simulations | 19:50 |
| fenn | i don't get why they think testing antibodies targeted at human cell types would affect a rhesus monkey | 19:52 |
| kanzure | standard procedure.. you test the monkeys anyway | 19:53 |
| fenn | "an industry consultant, has suggested that because the antibody was raised against human CD28, the safe dosage may have been lower in humans than in animals" DUH | 19:54 |
| kanzure | whenever anyone says "industry consultant" these days i immediately think of andrew | 19:54 |
| kanzure | that's technically his job (in the oil industry) | 19:54 |
| kanzure | i'm still laughing about "math with andrew hessel" | 19:54 |
| kanzure | "andrew, what's the value of pi?" | 19:54 |
| kanzure | "3 point 71... it'll work itself out, i don't worry about these things" | 19:55 |
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| fenn | so i still can't ssh to tub, perhaps you did nuke the firewall settings after all | 20:02 |
| kanzure | checking | 20:03 |
| kanzure | do you remember the ports you had mapped out? | 20:03 |
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| fenn | 2286 -> 192.168.2?.86:22 | 20:03 |
| kanzure | no it's still there.. but maybe the wires were unplugged. is the ethernet port on your motherboard supposed to blink? | 20:06 |
| fenn | i guess | 20:09 |
| fenn | well, nevermind, i was just looking for a book i had | 20:09 |
| kanzure | anyway i rebooted it so you should try it again | 20:21 |
| fenn | nup | 20:21 |
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| kanzure | fenn: chris attended convergence08 apparently | 22:35 |
| kanzure | oh chris is on the extropy-chat list.. that's how i know him | 22:35 |
| kanzure | something about an extropian/seasteading-institute crossover reality | 22:36 |
| kanzure | this guy has an interesting life-intersection coincidence factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Herrick | 22:43 |
| kanzure | especially with the demand media intersection and he attended convergence08 | 22:43 |
| fenn | what's demand media? | 22:46 |
| kanzure | a massive 230M/year spamming machine.. of sorts | 22:48 |
| fenn | sounds vaguely familiar.. was this the thing where you write custom crafted pages for people to put their ads on? | 22:48 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:48 |
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| fenn | lol i wonder if there's a corresponding "how to stalk better" article http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Rid-of-a-Stalker | 22:49 |
| fenn | woah weird, TMS ad for depression on that page | 22:49 |
| kanzure | nah you're probably just being tracked | 22:49 |
| fenn | neurostarTMS.com | 22:49 |
| fenn | i've never actually seen a targeted ad beyond obvious stuff like what i had just been searching for on amazon | 22:51 |
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| fenn | i dont' think it's targeted, the other ads on the page are like "free sex offender report" "attend lollapalooza" "cooking recipes" | 22:52 |
| fenn | "scientology today: the only major religion to emerge in the 20th century" | 22:52 |
| uniqanomaly_ | hopefully last one | 22:53 |
| fenn | hum i guess i should try taking vitamin D and see if anything happens | 22:53 |
| fenn | someone needs to make a on-demand custom pill service that combines all your stuff into one pill | 22:57 |
| fenn | " irradiation by ultraviolet light increased the vitamin D content of foods and other organic materials.[19] After irradiating rodent food, Steenbock discovered that the rodents were cured of rickets." | 22:58 |
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| fenn | how do i get the POST data for a webpage? (so i can link to it, theoretically) | 23:04 |
| fenn | wow, regular mushrooms: 8 IU vitamin D, exposed to UV: 461 IU | 23:06 |
| fenn | damn these non-REST database interfaces | 23:09 |
| fenn | wow eggnog contains 123 IU per serving | 23:12 |
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| kanzure | "how do i get the POST data for a web page" uh do you mean "how do i look at the form that i pressed submit on"? | 23:14 |
| fenn | yeah | 23:14 |
| kanzure | do you really need help with that | 23:14 |
| fenn | i'm hoping there's an easier way than digging through the form's source code | 23:15 |
| kanzure | that's always the easiest for me.. but there are extensions and plugins for various browsers for lazies | 23:15 |
| fenn | wah | 23:16 |
| genehacker | IU? | 23:18 |
| fenn | i'm guessing this doesn't work because it's a GET not a POST? http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/nut_search_new.pl?Keywords=portabella | 23:18 |
| fenn | genehacker: some bullshit non-scalar unit | 23:19 |
| kanzure | right | 23:19 |
| kanzure | the only time that it might work is if it's some php shit and the author turned on register_globals :P | 23:19 |
| fenn | so is there a way to link to a POST url? | 23:19 |
| genehacker | blast | 23:19 |
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| genehacker | aren't there any airfoil profiles that are hard to make? | 23:20 |
| fenn | i want to link to the usda database search result on wikipedia | 23:20 |
| kanzure | you can use fancy javascript to make a link that does that | 23:27 |
| kanzure | but wikipedia will block that sort of javascript functionality because it's uh, javascript | 23:28 |
| kanzure | #hplusroadmap: kicking the crap out of your parent's chromosomes | 23:29 |
| fenn | my chromosomes object | 23:35 |
| fenn | Canadian Cancer Society "recommended that all adults begin taking 1,000 IU per day (five times more than the government says they need)" | 23:37 |
| fenn | huh. shiitake contains 460 IU/g vs 5 IU/g for UV exposed white and 0.14 IU/g white mushrooms | 23:39 |
| fenn | or 0.2IU/g according to the FDA | 23:40 |
| genehacker | stealing stuff from boing boing kanzure? | 23:52 |
| genehacker | I think that's one of their descriptions | 23:52 |
| genehacker | along with the swapmeet for do it yourself cyborgs | 23:53 |
| fenn | except boingboing is a blog (and a tv show, i guess) | 23:54 |
| fenn | whereas theoretically we're doing stuff | 23:54 |
| * fenn procrastinates by reading "getting things done" | 23:55 | |
| fenn | it's so simple! http://mini.canasto.es/assets/gtd-workflow-xplane.jpg | 23:55 |
| genehacker | dammit why does it seem that the only people researching kline fogleman are RC plane hobbyists? | 23:58 |
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