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| Utopiah | video feed? | 01:15 |
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| epitron | yeah i wanna see how boring it is too! | 01:58 |
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| fenn | maybe he meant i should be *providing* a live video feed? | 02:19 |
| QuantumG | I was thinking of going to the Australia one next month.. or at least 2 of the 3 days | 03:15 |
| QuantumG | although right now I don't feel like doing anything | 03:16 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.cyber.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/#lifelog | 08:25 |
| kanzure | they should call it a fenn log | 08:35 |
| kanzure | hm they are doing a lot of stuff | 08:37 |
| kanzure | Joseph: wtf you really want to step into H+ board politics? | 09:34 |
| kanzure | Joseph: i have hands full just with my own "teams" crap | 09:34 |
| kanzure | me: your team (tito & eri) sucks | 09:34 |
| kanzure | Joseph: hahaa no shit | 09:34 |
| kanzure | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/giant-robot-arm-used-as-f1-simulator-50000319/ | 09:42 |
| Utopiah | take that Nintendo Wii :-# | 09:45 |
| kanzure | yet more git-based wiki goodness: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1599145 | 10:02 |
| kanzure | "My dream for wrestling my profession away from the lawyers and CEOs is the formation of a programmer's union. The union would mainly be concerned with issues like these patents. If such a union existed it would immediately stop the use of software patents." | 10:06 |
| kanzure | "Or companies would just hire overseas programmers..." | 10:06 |
| kanzure | "Global union, man.union" | 10:07 |
| kanzure | "They tried that back in the 1800s. That's where the USSR came from." | 10:07 |
| kanzure | heh okay this is fun http://www.google.com/search?q=%CE%BFracl%D0%B5 | 10:13 |
| kanzure | oh fooey | 10:13 |
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| Utopiah | (HOPE http://thenexthope.org/talks-list/ Hacking Our Biochemistry: Pharmacy and the Hacker Perspective) | 11:40 |
| Utopiah | (also How to Run an Open Source Hardware Company and plenty otehrs) | 11:41 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: see http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/b10c670ca3c20843 | 11:47 |
| Utopiah | you kept the naughty one too :-# | 11:48 |
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| * ybit can't think of the chinese city for manufacturing... | 12:06 | |
| ybit | was mentioned in here @ one time.. | 12:06 |
| kanzure | shanzhai? | 12:08 |
| kanzure | shanzhai is for the copycat clones | 12:08 |
| ybit | ah, yeah that's it | 12:12 |
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| bkero | <3 shanzai | 12:39 |
| kanzure | wait, so i have to manually download dependencies on a mac? | 12:46 |
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| fenn | shenzhen | 13:18 |
| fenn | or shanghai | 13:18 |
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| kanzure | fenn: how was the summit? | 14:18 |
| fenn | a futurist conference... | 14:42 |
| fenn | i don't know how to do conferences i guess | 14:43 |
| fenn | i dont even know what to talk to people about; i've heard it all | 14:43 |
| fenn | probably the only cool thing i saw was steve's eyetap | 14:44 |
| kanzure | were any of the talks unique or insightful? | 14:44 |
| fenn | none that i saw | 14:45 |
| fenn | i only watched like 5 | 14:45 |
| fenn | the talks should have been more like 20 minutes | 14:45 |
| kanzure | today was "smear bryan" day on the humanity+ voting mailing list :P | 14:46 |
| fenn | there were some interesting/horrifying pictures of brain surgery "state of the art" epilepsy treatment which involves cutting out huge chunks of peoples' brains | 14:46 |
| kanzure | politics yo | 14:46 |
| kanzure | "state of the art" i thought was deep brain stimulation | 14:46 |
| kanzure | by "smear bryan" i mean people saying "hur der putting up a file on github isn't going to solve world hunger" | 14:49 |
| kanzure | :P | 14:50 |
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| kanzure | uh well that's weird. is it possible a cookie could have been short circuiting a motherboard? | 15:17 |
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| kanzure | hi pasky | 15:51 |
| kanzure | hi ferrouswheel | 15:51 |
| ferrouswheel | heya kanzure | 15:53 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of smear campaigns going on | 15:55 |
| ferrouswheel | kanzure, yeah - it's unfortunate | 15:56 |
| kanzure | what's also a little awkward is that it's hard to distinguish between tom and me on the list | 15:57 |
| ferrouswheel | the hplusvote mailing list? | 15:57 |
| kanzure | except that tom probably has some better writing skills even if his ideas about open source hardware (et al.) are less developed | 15:57 |
| kanzure | yeah | 15:57 |
| kanzure | and in one thread he says one thing, and in another he says another. that's cute. | 15:58 |
| kanzure | (re: MTA/affiliates/religious-opinions) | 15:58 |
| kanzure | i'm glad to see max getting voted in though | 15:59 |
| kanzure | (tom too, but he's actually a little behind) | 15:59 |
| ferrouswheel | hmm, perhaps he's got a politician in him | 15:59 |
| kanzure | i lived with him for a few weeks once | 15:59 |
| ferrouswheel | Same- although I'm particularly excited about Howard... but that's just because of his writing influence | 16:00 |
| ferrouswheel | on me in uni | 16:00 |
| kanzure | yeah i don't know where howard came from to enlist | 16:00 |
| kanzure | someone suggested he do it, i think? | 16:00 |
| ferrouswheel | Chris Grayson nominated him | 16:00 |
| ferrouswheel | he was apparently at the last summit and it struck a chord with him | 16:00 |
| kanzure | it's cool because his books are probably on everyone's shelves | 16:00 |
| ferrouswheel | (Bloomwas at the summit I mean) | 16:01 |
| kanzure | if you could have your pick for the three, who would it be? | 16:01 |
| kanzure | i'm a little surprised (but still glad) that max is getting votes. i thought people would say "one more is enough" (since now natasha & max will both be on the board) | 16:01 |
| kanzure | max and natasha live straight down the street from me, and they are good people who will do their best. still, i thought people would avoid putting two mores on the board | 16:02 |
| ferrouswheel | H. Bloom, Yourself, and probably Max | 16:03 |
| ferrouswheel | Although to be honest... I completely failed to realise that Max and Natasha are together! | 16:03 |
| kanzure | hah :) | 16:03 |
| kanzure | even knowing that, i still voted for max | 16:04 |
| kanzure | they have a thing where they don't like to refer to each other as husband/wife. i don't know if they are married even. | 16:04 |
| ferrouswheel | I'm curious, are there any other smear campaigns I'm missing? I do wonder what Alex is up to, if anything. | 16:04 |
| kanzure | mainly alex | 16:04 |
| ferrouswheel | kanzure, heh - fair enough (and can even understand that - I tend to keep my identity quite separate from that of my partner's) | 16:05 |
| ferrouswheel | you mean the stuff against Alex? yeah, it's not too nice, but he put us in an awkward position. | 16:05 |
| kanzure | the problem thoguh is that to everyone else, it looks like a cover up | 16:06 |
| kanzure | i.e., me, being outside the board, and not having knowledge of what happened | 16:06 |
| kanzure | so if it is a cover up, then alex is getting power played unnecessarily. | 16:06 |
| kanzure | god why do i care about this shit | 16:06 |
| ferrouswheel | to be honest, i'm not sure why i'm not exposing more detail | 16:08 |
| kanzure | i'd like to know (if you'd like to tell me privately) and i could either not spread it or somehow forget that i know you | 16:10 |
| ferrouswheel | One entertaining snippet, he told me "America is a lot bigger than New Zealand" in his own obnoxiously patronising way. | 16:10 |
| kanzure | do you live in new zealand? | 16:11 |
| QuantumG | invasion of the OpenCogers. | 16:11 |
| kanzure | :) | 16:13 |
| kanzure | it's not an invasion, it's a | 16:13 |
| kanzure | hostile takeover?? no, wait | 16:13 |
| ferrouswheel | heh, hey QuantumG | 16:14 |
| QuantumG | how ya been man? | 16:15 |
| ferrouswheel | kanzure, have emailed you... | 16:19 |
| ferrouswheel | QuantumG, pretty good - but this year has mostly been boring contract work | 16:19 |
| kanzure | ferrouswheel: will read in a sec | 16:19 |
| kanzure | this reminds me.. i'm not saying you're doing this or anything, but back in 2008 when i was working in al ab | 16:20 |
| kanzure | *in a lab | 16:20 |
| kanzure | i would email my professor some new results or something | 16:20 |
| kanzure | and then walk down the hall and tell him, "i sent you an email" | 16:20 |
| kanzure | i have no idea why i would do this | 16:20 |
| kanzure | it's absolutely stupid and a waste of time | 16:20 |
| ferrouswheel | although i had a brief foray into creating a start up, but have since decided to continue OpenCog stuff at the HK University | 16:21 |
| kanzure | what was the startup? | 16:22 |
| ferrouswheel | kanzure, heh true | 16:22 |
| ferrouswheel | netempathy.com - basically sentiment analysis and nlp, along with providing an API for such things | 16:24 |
| ferrouswheel | although the API would be a late stage focus... initially we'd be creating a brand and product monitoring webapp | 16:24 |
| kanzure | there's shitloads of that same idea for twitter all over the place | 16:25 |
| kanzure | especially since twitter is such a big data set | 16:25 |
| ferrouswheel | I handing it over to some dev friends here since I've mostly finished the first version of the backend | 16:25 |
| fenn | pine | 16:26 |
| fenn | rawr | 16:26 |
| ferrouswheel | yeah, we were going to start with twitter for a demo and then get a feed via spinn3r or a similar service | 16:26 |
| kanzure | what about pine? | 16:26 |
| kanzure | is spinn3r the text generator thing | 16:27 |
| ferrouswheel | spinn3r aggregates twitter, rss feeds, and other services into a single feed | 16:28 |
| ferrouswheel | (saves dealing with many different APIs and doing the crawling manually) | 16:28 |
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| kanzure | ferrouswheel: i'm not sure if i should be replying to all of these hplusvote emails or nto | 16:36 |
| kanzure | *or not | 16:36 |
| * kanzure reads ferrouswheel's email | 16:36 | |
| kanzure | ferrouswheel: funny you should mention the kevin jain fiasco | 16:41 |
| kanzure | well, no it's not. i talked with alex on the phone and took a transcript and now that i look over that section, he didn't really tell me anything that clarifies the situation | 16:43 |
| ferrouswheel | heh, I never got the specific names of people involved. | 16:48 |
| kanzure | kevin jain is the guy running the harvard future society (which technically didn't exist until the conference) | 16:51 |
| ferrouswheel | ah right | 16:54 |
| ferrouswheel | I've been finding it a challenge to keep up with all the happenings from afar (...one of the reasons I resigned). | 16:55 |
| kanzure | in what way was it hard? do they not use email or something | 16:56 |
| kanzure | or were phone calls always scheduled for awful hours of the night? | 16:56 |
| ferrouswheel | Well, only hard to keep up with what happened at the summit and deal with trying to recreate what actually happened re: Alex | 16:57 |
| kanzure | btw were you aware of danila medvedev and the russian transhumanists doing the live over-the-stream translations for the russian population of the summit broadcast? :) | 16:59 |
| ferrouswheel | heh - I wasn't, but that's exceedingly cool! | 16:59 |
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| kanzure | lol goertzel: "Tom has been helping with some Web and editing work on the H+ Magazine, on a volunteer basis, and it would be excellent if he were rewarded for this via a Board seat." | 17:02 |
| kanzure | but what's weird is that those sort of volunteer opportunities were never advertized | 17:02 |
| kanzure | and it's not like i don't hang around and ask :P | 17:02 |
| kanzure | blah. just weird. | 17:02 |
| ferrouswheel | yeah - H+ really needs to coordinate the volunteers better | 17:03 |
| kanzure | paying $7k/month for ken goffman also sounds inappropriate | 17:03 |
| ferrouswheel | other board members said they'd work on it but nothing eventuated... and Alex tended to just recruit people on his own (which is good, but some coordination would have been better) | 17:04 |
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| ferrouswheel | Who's Ken Goffman?... oh RU | 17:04 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:05 |
| ferrouswheel | I thought it was a lot less than that... | 17:05 |
| kanzure | uh | 17:05 |
| ferrouswheel | (I wasn't treasurer or involved with the magazine change-over | 17:05 |
| kanzure | i don't know if they kept ken on through the change-over or not | 17:06 |
| ferrouswheel | He is kept on, but I think it's at a much reduced rate... along with other budgetary changes to the H+ magazine | 17:08 |
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| kanzure | my alter mom (my mom's twin) linked me over to http://www.ted.com/talks/eva_vertes_looks_to_the_future_of_medicine.html | 18:14 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 19:09 |
| kanzure | hi JayDugger | 19:10 |
| JayDugger | Still haven't caught up from vacation--when do H+ board elections end? | 19:25 |
| kanzure | noon US eastern on 2010-08-28 | 19:27 |
| kanzure | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanityplusvote/surveys?id=2314196 | 19:27 |
| JayDugger | Thank you. | 19:31 |
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| kanzure | fenn: would you like a gnusha.org account for shells and screen and stuff? | 20:09 |
| fenn | ok | 20:11 |
| fenn | noisebridge seems to be having network issues | 20:12 |
| kanzure | see pm | 20:19 |
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| kanzure | humanity+ is asking "why should people pay us $20 to become members" | 21:03 |
| kanzure | good question | 21:03 |
| kanzure | i don't think a private social networking club would work, because then you're just competing with other far more successful networking platforms | 21:04 |
| kanzure | i don't even know why there's a membership system in the first place | 21:04 |
| kanzure | oh. they should be bargaining me a good deal for 23andme services. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | that'd be hawt and worth $20 | 21:18 |
| ferrouswheel | kanzure, great idea! (they should make the deal open to international folk too! too many times I've tried to take a 23andme deal and found it's only open to US residents) | 21:25 |
| kanzure | i sent it out in an email, you should reply with that line about international access | 21:26 |
| kanzure | we could proxy international orders, or barter with 23andme to do international orders | 21:27 |
| kanzure | "bryan this is the 15th time you've ordered from us at 23andme.. each time you're a different gender. is something wrong?" | 21:27 |
| kanzure | "i'm highly mutagenic." | 21:27 |
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| kanzure | ferrouswheel: if you don't want to post it, i will :) | 21:38 |
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| fenn | you shoulda had that idea yesterday while i was talking to the 23andme guy | 22:06 |
| kanzure | uh, sergey brin? | 22:07 |
| fenn | luke nosek | 22:07 |
| kanzure | i don't think they'd want to know about international dna smuggling | 22:08 |
| kanzure | actually this could be lucrative.. | 22:08 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: yo | 22:08 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:08 |
| fenn | heh 'dna smuggling' | 22:09 |
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| kanzure | fenn: stanley time? | 22:48 |
| kanzure | wtf? luke nosek <jessica@foundersfund.com> | 22:50 |
| fenn | prolly his secretary | 22:51 |
| kanzure | whatever | 22:53 |
| ferrouswheel | kanzure, feel free to post the idea - currently too busy to keep track of the H+ stuff... | 22:59 |
| kanzure | okie dokie | 23:04 |
| fenn | weird i dont see anything about 23andme and nosek.. maybe i remembered that wrong, but i'm pretty sure he said 23andme | 23:05 |
| fenn | i notice pathway genomics is on the list of founders fund companies | 23:05 |
| kanzure | pathway genomics got a crapload of funding | 23:07 |
| kanzure | hm they did twilio too | 23:08 |
| kanzure | didn't know founders fund was peter thiel | 23:09 |
| fenn | natively probabilistic computers, designed from the ground up to handle ambiguity, make good guesses, and learn from their experience. Instead of logic and determinism, Navia's hardware and software are grounded in probability distributions and stochastic simulators, generalizing the mathematics of traditional computing to the probabilistic setting. | 23:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: you should also look into http://techstars.com/ http://hackfwd.com/ http://www.founderscoop.com/ | 23:15 |
| fenn | there's only so much of this i can read | 23:16 |
| ferrouswheel | fenn, where is that stuff about Navia? | 23:16 |
| ferrouswheel | That sound imminently useful for OpenCog's AtomSpace. | 23:16 |
| fenn | http://www.naviasystems.com/probabilisticcomputing/circuits.php | 23:19 |
| ybit | noise | 23:23 |
| kanzure | ybit: you should vote for me. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanityplusvote/surveys?id=2314196 | 23:23 |
| kanzure | and uh, probably for some others too | 23:24 |
| ybit | yeah, i'm having problems with that | 23:26 |
| kanzure | what are the problems? | 23:26 |
| ybit | something to do with activating web access.. working on it | 23:27 |
| fenn | i can't tell if steve mann is serious about "humanistic rights" or not | 23:29 |
| fenn | "After pulling out my 36-shooter, and emptying the remaining rounds from my film magazine, onto his face and his hand that was eagerly reaching out toward my lens, he was much more cooperative in finding me a manager to shoot instead of him." | 23:29 |
| ybit | while i wait on yahoo and gmail to get along... my guess is that with $40k/year, it's going to take about 10 years to have everything i want here | 23:29 |
| ybit | <noise> | 23:30 |
| ybit | okay, now i wait on approval. | 23:32 |
| kanzure | approval will take a long time, so you'll probably have to sleep eventually :P | 23:32 |
| ybit | but i like making noise | 23:33 |
| fenn | A photographer and an audiographer both record a live musician playing. | 23:34 |
| fenn | For some strange reason, the photographer has the rights in the pictures, whereas the subject (the musician) has the rights in the sound. | 23:34 |
| ybit | hrm... so does h+ have money to toss around? | 23:34 |
| kanzure | it has membership fees | 23:34 |
| kanzure | but why does it have a membership system anyway? | 23:34 |
| ybit | i don't pay fees, does this mean i'm not going to be a transhumanist! :'( | 23:35 |
| ybit | that must be an awful lot of money to pay someone $7k/month just to be part of the board | 23:36 |
| ybit | i didn't realize h+ was so big | 23:36 |
| kanzure | huh? to pay someone to be a part of the board? where'd you get that from | 23:36 |
| ybit | 19:03 < kanzure> paying $7k/month for ken goffman also sounds inappropriate | 23:36 |
| kanzure | no, betterhumans llc was paying ken $7k/mo to be the "editor" for hplusmagazine | 23:36 |
| ybit | ah | 23:37 |
| kanzure | someone suggested "make a private members-only list and social network" as a way to make humanity+ relevant | 23:37 |
| kanzure | but honestly that sounds stupid | 23:37 |
| kanzure | because someone else can just outcompete on facebook easily or something | 23:37 |
| kanzure | humanity+ has sort of pidgeonholed itself into being more of a marketing/media toy trying to gain "mainstream acceptance" | 23:38 |
| ybit | i've a feeling i might be a transhumanist before that guy, so i'll keep my money :) | 23:38 |
| kanzure | before what guy? | 23:38 |
| ybit | whoever is making that suggestion | 23:38 |
| kanzure | http://humanityplus.org/about/board/201008elections/ | 23:39 |
| kanzure | so as you note i strategically placed a closing line in my candidate statement :P | 23:39 |
| kanzure | "Transhumanism needs to be more easily hackable and accessible to mainstream audiences." | 23:39 |
| ferrouswheel | I think that was Amy... so a gal not a guy ;p She's already on the board, and that was just a brain storm | 23:40 |
| kanzure | no, it was someone else who replied to her | 23:41 |
| jrayhawk | Seems like h+ would be a decent advocacy and bargaining association, a la NRA and AAA | 23:41 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: you'd need money to actually do that. | 23:41 |
| jrayhawk | Start small, work your way up. | 23:42 |
| kanzure | the thing that would make the organization more relevant to me is getting grants for projects, funding, etc., and doing really ridiculous incubatory stuff | 23:42 |
| kanzure | but again, the focus lately has been media, marketing, self-promotion | 23:42 |
| kanzure | also it's one of the only membership-based organizations around in the community.. i mean, other than pink army and the majority of its members think it's a scam or something :P | 23:44 |
| kanzure | singinst.org isn't "membership based" | 23:44 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: what would you like to have bargained? | 23:51 |
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| kanzure | hi uniqanomaly | 23:54 |
| uniqanomaly | hi there | 23:58 |
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