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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 08:09 |
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| kristianpaul | hello JayDugger | 08:11 |
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| kanzure | http://bit.ly/diybionews updated | 10:13 |
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| * splicer notes that the last article, the euroscientist one, mentions biopunk | 11:13 | |
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| kanzure | "Its assumed that the input knot sequences span the interval [0.0,1.0] and are clamped to the control points at the end by a knot multiplicity equal to the spline order." | 11:31 |
| kanzure | does anyone know if the numbers in a knot sequence have to be integers? | 11:31 |
| kanzure | it doesn't seem to particularly matter but i'm not sure. | 11:31 |
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| kanzure | hm should i be writing separate classes for nurbs curves and surfaces | 12:44 |
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| fenn | yes, curve != surface | 14:48 |
| fenn | maybe they inherit from some ideal nurbs n-dimensional object | 14:48 |
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| kanzure | .. yeah, i don't think a super awesome n-dimensional nurbs class is on my menu today :) | 14:54 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-24-1610-runten-pynurbs.png | 14:57 |
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| fenn | 'cntrl' is suffering from somebody's fear of vowels | 15:10 |
| fenn | might help somebody reading your notes to say what format cntrl is expected to be in | 15:12 |
| fenn | see if you can plot just the curve; that would be cool for wire frames | 15:13 |
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| kanzure | fenn: that's code from http://runten.tripod.com/NURBS/ | 15:21 |
| kanzure | http://runten.tripod.com/NURBS/Nurbs-0.1.zip | 15:21 |
| kanzure | and the __init__ on Crv and Srf is totally undocumented | 15:21 |
| kanzure | self.degree = nku - nu - 1 | 15:21 |
| epitron | self.degree = bsc + msc + phd + blt | 15:22 |
| kanzure | that's the current stumper for me.. the degree is supposed to be uh.. | 15:22 |
| kanzure | knots + 1 - len(control_points) | 15:23 |
| kanzure | er, len(knots) | 15:23 |
| epitron | knots is an int and a list? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | knots is a list | 15:24 |
| epitron | so knots + 1 is... syntax error? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | i meant len(knots) | 15:24 |
| epitron | s/syntax/semantic/ | 15:24 |
| epitron | ohhh, i see | 15:24 |
| kanzure | degree = len(knots) - len(control_points) + 1 | 15:24 |
| epitron | carry on | 15:24 |
| epitron | :) | 15:24 |
| kanzure | at least, for one dimensional nurbs? | 15:25 |
| kanzure | uknots = Numeric.sort(Numeric.asarray(uknots, Numeric.Float)) | 15:25 |
| kanzure | nku = uknots.shape[0] | 15:26 |
| kanzure | so nku should be 1 | 15:26 |
| kanzure | oh wait, nku = len(knots) | 15:26 |
| kanzure | assuming it's a one dimensional list of knots (which it should be) | 15:26 |
| epitron | nurbs is a good word for william shatner to scream | 15:27 |
| epitron | NUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRBBBBBBBBBBBSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! | 15:27 |
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| QuantumG | addicted much? | 15:27 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: the back story is that i met epitron at a trekkie/furrycon | 15:28 |
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| kanzure | (kidding) | 15:28 |
| QuantumG | damn furrys | 15:28 |
| epitron | i was a trekkie | 15:28 |
| * epitron neckpinches QuantumG | 15:28 | |
| QuantumG | the trouble is, tribbles are loved by both.. | 15:29 |
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| kanzure | so, i'm not sure if his calculation for the degree of the curve is correct or not | 15:38 |
| kanzure | my way depends on the length of knots and it's poor form to assume that the user correctly supplied the right number of knots | 15:38 |
| kanzure | presumably the degree can only be 1, 2, 3 or 5, but that doesn't seem to be the case in runten-nurbs | 15:41 |
| kanzure | wow wait, it's been 10 days since i was supposed to email gada? | 15:41 |
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| kanzure | well this is awkward | 16:15 |
| kanzure | kartik sez: "Are you talking about setting up different prizes in the H+ area? " | 16:16 |
| kanzure | err | 16:16 |
| QuantumG | hey | 16:17 |
| kanzure | sup? | 16:18 |
| QuantumG | I was watching some tv show about child obesity in the US the other day.. and the guy talking at the camera said something like "this is the first generation of kids expected to have shorter lifespans than their parents" | 16:18 |
| kanzure | expected by who? | 16:18 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if that's a "fact" he made up on the spot or is actually backed up anywhere. | 16:18 |
| QuantumG | cause if it's backed by actuarial tables that'd be something to make Ray cry. | 16:19 |
| kanzure | it's okay trent, my longevity potion will work long before you have to start seriously worrying about your weight *rolleyes*~~~ | 16:19 |
| * kanzure ducks | 16:19 | |
| QuantumG | yeah, glass houses fucker | 16:20 |
| kanzure | what? | 16:20 |
| QuantumG | :) | 16:20 |
| QuantumG | (I always forget the :) | 16:20 |
| kanzure | well i'm confused | 16:21 |
| QuantumG | http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/qs/qq/estimate-expectancy-chance-dying-age-800X800.jpg <- why it's a jpg I dunno | 16:25 |
| QuantumG | so, a 10yo male will apparently live to 75.97, whereas a 35yo male will apparently live to 77.16 | 16:27 |
| QuantumG | and a 55yo male will apparently live to 79.40 | 16:28 |
| kanzure | is that just because of the chances of living to 79 is increased by already making it to 50? | 16:28 |
| QuantumG | that certainly sounds like a reasonable interpretation to me. | 16:28 |
| QuantumG | however, if you go get the same table in 2006 you'll see the numbers are higher for those same ages. | 16:30 |
| * fenn squints at the chart | 16:30 | |
| fenn | kanzure when you are going to do that myostatin thing | 16:31 |
| fenn | "100k for a pill that gives me muscles" | 16:31 |
| kanzure | i don't know if that would compete with steroids or not | 16:32 |
| fenn | i bet it would have less weird side effects | 16:32 |
| kanzure | actually the side effects are terrible if it happens during gestation | 16:32 |
| QuantumG | consider them willing test subjects | 16:32 |
| fenn | why's that | 16:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: tendons apparently use myostatin for something important | 16:33 |
| kanzure | but during adulthood it's not much of an issue? | 16:33 |
| fenn | how do those bull whippet dogs work? i thought they lacked the gene entirely | 16:33 |
| kanzure | the study i'm referencing was done on mice and looked at the tendons and found significant damage | 16:33 |
| kanzure | so it's a myopic view of the issue | 16:33 |
| fenn | huh? | 16:34 |
| kanzure | anyway, i'm obviously evading yourq uestion | 16:34 |
| kanzure | i meant to say that the tendon issue was found in mice, not in bulls (and bulls weren't investigated) | 16:34 |
| kanzure | so it's entirely possible that the problems in mouse tendon are not universal | 16:34 |
| kanzure | as for when i'm going to get geared up and start rolling. uh. | 16:35 |
| fenn | bull whippet is a mutant version of a dog breed that is missing myostatin | 16:35 |
| kanzure | right now i'm too terribly engrossed in this python stuff | 16:35 |
| fenn | ok nevermind | 16:36 |
| fenn | anyway it's a prize idea | 16:36 |
| kanzure | what? | 16:36 |
| fenn | kartik sez: "Are you talking about setting up different prizes in the H+ area? " | 16:36 |
| kanzure | oh right | 16:36 |
| kanzure | sure | 16:36 |
| kanzure | but the email i sent to kartik was of a different nature | 16:36 |
| kanzure | foresight institute was going to transfer ownership of the prizes/stuff to me | 16:36 |
| kanzure | and kartik made it sound like foresight institute can't *do* that | 16:37 |
| fenn | i doubt anybody knows any hard facts | 16:37 |
| fenn | waffling + telephone game = "no" | 16:37 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did you read the transcript from yesterday | 16:39 |
| kanzure | it was kind of all over the place but there were some important issues (like team size) that they might be insisting on :/ | 16:39 |
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| kanzure | maybe i'll call it a toguro pill. if we do vehicleforge i think i'd do it after, and if we don't do vehicleforge i'm not entirely sure if i'll do it in that same timeslot | 16:42 |
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| kanzure | toguro intro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxNGel8z7q4#t=5m20s or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1HN1zN6kSs or | 17:17 |
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| fenn | "toguro" is too obscure | 17:47 |
| fenn | btw didnt know about embedding time in youtube url's that's useful | 17:48 |
| kanzure | i remember random things like that from time to time :/ | 17:48 |
| kanzure | ok how about s/toguro/bane/? | 17:49 |
| fenn | sorta reminds me of fist of the north star | 17:49 |
| fenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AYaFL6SWmk#t=1m40s | 17:51 |
| kanzure | hah | 17:51 |
| fenn | what a bizarre movie | 17:53 |
| fenn | side effects may include: head asplosions, severed limbs, extreme tubbiness | 17:54 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:49 |
| kanzure | hello | 18:50 |
| JayDugger | I'll stick to Sesame Street highlights on YouTube, though that is a good link tip. | 18:50 |
| JayDugger | Well, Sesame Street, Doctor Who, and CNC cheesecake. | 18:50 |
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| JayDugger | Oh, RTFT and search. "Toguro" does seem obscure. | 18:57 |
| kanzure | and fist of the north star isn't? :) | 18:58 |
| kanzure | hehe | 18:58 |
| kanzure | fenn: i'm implying your anime is obscure | 18:58 |
| JayDugger | Fenn's right. "waffling + telephone game = 'no'" That marks a no at least as well as "I'll have to think about it," or "I don't have that {authority,responsibility,decision}," or "maybe". | 19:00 |
| JayDugger | I've seen parts of Fist of the North Star. | 19:01 |
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| JayDugger | well...more of FotNS than of YYH. | 19:01 |
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| JayDugger | A fictional work's title generally seems less obscure than a fictional character's name. | 19:02 |
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| JayDugger | <pedant>E.g., If I referenced the Glass Cat or the Hungry Tiger, I'd expect less recognition than if I referenced "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz." | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | Ditto for "Biollante" as opposed to Godzilla.</pedant> | 19:03 |
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| JayDugger | Has anyone here attended DFW hackerspace meetings? | 19:05 |
| JayDugger | The next one will happen this Saturday, 1600-1900, but I've not yet decided whether to attend. That happens awfully early in my morning. | 19:05 |
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| JayDugger | OTOH, if the host Artifacture has a sign cutter and a laser cutter for use, perhaps I should. | 19:08 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 20:16 |
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| kanzure | "Since I have been following list (thanks Bryan for finding me), I have noticed a neglect of issues related to social organization. I think that most everyone on this list would like to be involved in some form of open source manufacturing, making real things for use.." | 20:59 |
| kanzure | i'm glad he's happy i found him, but i don't remember him at all | 20:59 |
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| joshcryer | I can't imagine you can keep track of a tenth of the stuff you do. ;D | 21:05 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: i actually keep track of everyone that i talk with | 21:05 |
| kanzure | into a ridiculously massive file | 21:05 |
| joshcryer | AM I IN THERE? | 21:06 |
| kanzure | wtf why do you only appear twice in there | 21:06 |
| joshcryer | Wow. I actually appear in there at all? | 21:06 |
| kanzure | did we meet before 2009? | 21:06 |
| joshcryer | I just know I ranted about AASM stuff. | 21:06 |
| joshcryer | In #reprap | 21:06 |
| kanzure | wait i thought i ranted at /you/ about AASM stuff | 21:06 |
| joshcryer | Had to have been definitely before 2009 or 2009. | 21:07 |
| joshcryer | That was my most active IRC year, it drained me so I quit IRC for almost a year there. | 21:07 |
| QuantumG | joshcryer | 21:07 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG | 21:07 |
| kanzure | nchaimov | 21:08 |
| QuantumG | Dennis Wingo was just on The Space Show.. did a little begging for money. | 21:08 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, I favorited that epic CNC playlist you made on YouTube but it's ( http://www.youtube.com/user/kanzure#g/c/0EB93E6E02E5CF17 ) gone now, happen to have another one? | 21:08 |
| kanzure | it's gone?! | 21:08 |
| joshcryer | Maybe the link is malformed? | 21:09 |
| joshcryer | I tried finding it again. | 21:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/user/kanzure#p/c/0EB93E6E02E5CF17 | 21:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/user/kanzure | 21:09 |
| kanzure | find it? | 21:11 |
| joshcryer | Ahah | 21:11 |
| kanzure | ah it's changed from #g to #p ?? dunno what's going on there | 21:11 |
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| kanzure | joshcryer: btw i call it my "machine porn" playlist :) | 21:11 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, <3 | 21:12 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, I wanted to actually watch some machine porn the other night but couldn't pull it up! | 21:12 |
| joshcryer | Stupid me, I should've clicked 'playlists.' Ack, I suck at interfaces. | 21:12 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, what is Dennis wanting money for? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | in retrospect combining porn and machining might be a deadly, bloody plan | 21:12 |
| QuantumG | joshcryer: his skycorpinc stuff. He mumbled something about doing assembly on the ISS. I've never seen his business concepts beyond that level of detail. | 21:13 |
| joshcryer | I found a scan of The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in 8 Easy Steps online, it's going to be the next book I read. | 21:13 |
| joshcryer | (The basis for TMP 2.0) | 21:13 |
| QuantumG | but yeah, said he wants $1000 from 1000 people, for no promises, but perhaps t-shirts. | 21:14 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, oh, that was always abstract stuff, imo. | 21:14 |
| QuantumG | I've read that book, it's fun. | 21:14 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: are you subscribed to the luf-team list? | 21:14 |
| QuantumG | where's the scan? | 21:14 |
| kanzure | it's not particularly important if you are not | 21:14 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, nah, I've not got that land I'd rant about, and am still trying to keep my sainity juggling work and family stuff. | 21:14 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, I'm definitely going to join the open hardware type stuff one day though, and be really active. | 21:15 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing | 21:15 |
| joshcryer | (since I won't have anything else to do) | 21:15 |
| QuantumG | you'll be the only one ;) | 21:15 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, did I rant about my land stealing idea? | 21:15 |
| QuantumG | can't say you did | 21:16 |
| kanzure | do you mean invasion? | 21:16 |
| joshcryer | Apparently, in the United States, there is this concept of Adverse Possession. | 21:16 |
| joshcryer | If you possess some land for some extended period of time, you may claim title. | 21:16 |
| QuantumG | so like squating | 21:16 |
| joshcryer | Now in most states it's pretty long, 5-10, as much as 65 years in NY. | 21:16 |
| joshcryer | But in AZ it's 2. | 21:16 |
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| joshcryer | so I dug around for days, trying to find land to steal in the midddle of the desert | 21:21 |
| joshcryer | http://i38.tinypic.com/4hqp7t.jpg | 21:21 |
| joshcryer | Found a piece owned by some old lady in FL. | 21:21 |
| joshcryer | (Found her FB page, through her tax documents, heh, internet is scary.) | 21:22 |
| QuantumG | any idea how much it sells for? | 21:22 |
| joshcryer | It's assessed at $1500. | 21:23 |
| joshcryer | And she pays $12 in taxes on it. | 21:23 |
| joshcryer | It's basically an investment. | 21:23 |
| joshcryer | Picked up when the US was still giving out homesteads. | 21:23 |
| joshcryer | (they stopped that in the late 70s, in favor of the BLM approach) | 21:23 |
| QuantumG | is doing anything for ~2 years worth $1500? | 21:23 |
| joshcryer | I'm going to offer $10k for it. | 21:24 |
| joshcryer | Since adverse possession requires open acqusition of a piece of property. | 21:24 |
| joshcryer | I'm going to live there either way, so, yeah. | 21:25 |
| kanzure | finding land to steal in the middle of a desert was exactly the plan a certain cult i was involved in was executing on | 21:25 |
| joshcryer | Did they do it? | 21:25 |
| kanzure | no, someone ended up grabbing the atacama first :) | 21:25 |
| joshcryer | And can you have a cult of individuality? :/ | 21:25 |
| kanzure | it was actually pretty cool when i heard that the mars society got that huge chunk of land | 21:25 |
| joshcryer | 'cause I'm doing this alone. | 21:25 |
| QuantumG | so you're saying that you're trying to steal $1500 worth of land in a location where you couldn't pay most people $1500 to live? :) | 21:26 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, yep. :) | 21:26 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, the key is title. | 21:26 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, you cannot take title to BLM land without weird circumstances. | 21:26 |
| QuantumG | which I imagine you could get for about $2k :) | 21:26 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, and if you squat on BLM the government can come along and kick you off. | 21:27 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, actually, assessed value is not the same as market value. | 21:27 |
| QuantumG | anyway, you have my official "Good Luck With That" :) | 21:28 |
| joshcryer | It'd probably sell for closer to $40-60k | 21:28 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if SpaceAdventures has >10 people lined up to fly on the next seats that become available on Soyuz (or other vehicles) | 21:29 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, what was the cult? | 21:29 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, they'd have said so by now, imo. | 21:30 |
| joshcryer | I don't know of them making a secret of their ISS tours. | 21:30 |
| joshcryer | Probably even in the contract, "If you sign on you give us the right to say you signed on." | 21:30 |
| joshcryer | Mellennial Project: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=10W50H18 | 21:32 |
| joshcryer | (Original) | 21:32 |
| joshcryer | millennial rather | 21:33 |
| QuantumG | thanks | 21:33 |
| QuantumG | they've never announced the people who signed up and dropped out | 21:33 |
| joshcryer | taking it down after a bit, so grab it while it's hot, etc | 21:33 |
| QuantumG | a number of them have announced themselves though | 21:33 |
| joshcryer | (I like to keep my MU account clean) | 21:33 |
| joshcryer | That's true, it wouldn't be advantegous to announce people who failed the training stuff. | 21:34 |
| QuantumG | Lori Garver for example.. but she's never revealed how much she dropped on the training she did. | 21:35 |
| joshcryer | You know how I know how that Open Manufacturing Group is mostly a dud? | 21:35 |
| joshcryer | 4 files uploaded. | 21:35 |
| joshcryer | Someones going to have to remedy that. >:) | 21:36 |
| QuantumG | I was subscribed for a week. | 21:36 |
| QuantumG | I have that file btw | 21:37 |
| joshcryer | :) | 21:38 |
| joshcryer | Too bad it's a scan and not an OCR. | 21:38 |
| joshcryer | If it's any good I might OCR it. | 21:38 |
| kanzure | "is mostly a dud" | 21:39 |
| kanzure | the open manufacturing group is fairly active | 21:39 |
| kanzure | nobody uses the http interface (that's for pussies) | 21:39 |
| QuantumG | the ufo community is also fairly active | 21:40 |
| joshcryer | I found this guys EarthOS thing. | 21:40 |
| kanzure | i've heard of earthos, yeah | 21:41 |
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| joshcryer | I'm just reading topics, btw, looking for anything useful or interesting. | 21:42 |
| QuantumG | know anyone who's actually doing the seasteading stuff seriously? | 21:43 |
| joshcryer | Nope. | 21:44 |
| kanzure | well uh, patri wrote a book :/ | 21:44 |
| joshcryer | There were some San. Fran. guys talking about it. | 21:44 |
| fenn | check luf-team@yahoogroups.com | 21:47 |
| joshcryer | That's my favorite bit about TMP though (seasteading). | 21:47 |
| fenn | and opensailing | 21:47 |
| fenn | the answer is more or less "no" | 21:47 |
| QuantumG | seasteading is appealing to me if someone can solve the energy generation problem. | 21:48 |
| QuantumG | Savage's solution was nice, shame everyone seems to agree it doesn't work. | 21:48 |
| joshcryer | What's the energy generation problem? | 21:49 |
| QuantumG | you're in the middle of the ocean.. you need energy | 21:49 |
| joshcryer | The middle of the ocean has a crapload of energy. | 21:49 |
| QuantumG | currently it is two camps: those who say you should just import oil (or drill it, good luck with that), and those who wanna use solar/wind | 21:50 |
| joshcryer | Don't forget uranium. | 21:50 |
| QuantumG | Savage had the solution of temperature differential | 21:50 |
| QuantumG | it's in that book | 21:50 |
| QuantumG | or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion | 21:51 |
| * joshcryer knows of it | 21:51 | |
| katsmeow-afk | i am building a boat | 21:52 |
| QuantumG | enjoy your TRL3 technology | 21:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | and i am in #seasteading, but no one talks much | 21:52 |
| QuantumG | katsmeow-afk: yeah, there's also the people who miss the point and suggest they don't need any power generation to go fishing ;) | 21:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | heh | 21:53 |
| QuantumG | joshcryer: I guess I was being too optimistic in thinking this scan might be color. | 21:54 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, sadly it was the only version of it I could find. | 21:55 |
| QuantumG | nah, it's cool. My strongest memory of reading this book was the fantastic pictures. | 21:55 |
| joshcryer | It also has someones footnotes who adds a bit of interesting character to it. | 21:55 |
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| joshcryer | Which makes me wonder if it was one of those library scans, which had someones scribbles, but the scanning people didn't notice it. :) | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if the whole "rich nutrients from the depths" thing has been discredited too | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | pumping nutrients up to baths where you grow algae sounds like great fun | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | burning the stuff for fuel sounds like a great way to piss off the environmentalists | 21:59 |
| fenn | what's wrong iwht OTEC? | 22:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | space, weight, and cost of huge heat exchangers are the only problems i see | 22:01 |
| QuantumG | I forget.. the seasteading handbook has some choice words | 22:01 |
| joshcryer | Area-wise solar destroys it. | 22:01 |
| fenn | plenty of ways to make energy... wave power, wind power, solar power, burning plastic waste, algae thermal depolymerization, fish depolymerization | 22:01 |
| fenn | but selling fish and buying diesel is probably the most obvious | 22:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | or salvaging fuel oil | 22:03 |
| QuantumG | the other thing of Savage's they hate on is seament | 22:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | where are you reading(?) this, Quantum, i'd like to take a look | 22:04 |
| fenn | read a pop article about an unmanned sub that went 700? miles on no fuel, using a wax-based temperature differential buoyancy system | 22:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, and one large battery to power moving the fins and/or boyancy chamber/ or ballast | 22:05 |
| QuantumG | http://seasteading.org/seastead.org/commented/paper/index.html <- is the book I was referring to | 22:05 |
| * katsmeow-afk dials it up | 22:05 | |
| katsmeow-afk | oh that one | 22:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | erg | 22:06 |
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| QuantumG | there's an OTEC section.. which is brief but provides references that I followed up. | 22:07 |
| QuantumG | "nuclear power makes OTEC technology look easy" is a choice quote. | 22:07 |
| f7_ | sup DIYbio folks, it's Forrest from the mailing list, OSF, and Tx/Rx labs. | 22:07 |
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| joshcryer | Their making it happen section is fail. | 22:08 |
| QuantumG | I think the seament comments were in there but I don't see 'em now.. maybe I'm spelling it too witty | 22:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | the usn did a prototype to float a ammonia factory and run it on otec, results say it could keep several destroyers plus a few smaller boats fueled up with ammonia (as a hydrogen carrier, it burns) | 22:08 |
| fenn | there is an otec plant in hawaii, 15MW or something | 22:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | and i tried to buy some the other day, Post Airgas is no longer keeping it in stock, due to people stealing it to make drugs | 22:09 |
| QuantumG | yeah, if you read The Millennial Project (aka Savage) you see that he's not talking about "incrementalism" | 22:10 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods at fenn | 22:10 | |
| QuantumG | which is what the seasteaders are | 22:10 |
| fenn | the ocean imposes a minimum scale of operations | 22:10 |
| fenn | you can't go out on a dinghy and expect to grow it to something building-sized | 22:10 |
| QuantumG | page 40: "At this price, the components for a 100 megawatt OTEC module will cost $157 million - installed. Aquarius will house seven 100 megawatt OTEC modules, at a cost of $1.1 billion." | 22:11 |
| joshcryer | Probably not a dinghy, but maybe a tractor trailer sized boat. | 22:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | yea, like anyone is going to contribute $1.1 billion | 22:11 |
| QuantumG | for 100,000 colonists. | 22:11 |
| kanzure | lemme call up my pal peter thiel | 22:11 |
| kanzure | my paypal | 22:12 |
| QuantumG | don't like, start small or anything | 22:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | who has gotten 100k colonist on board? | 22:12 |
| QuantumG | world's biggest cult - at sea! | 22:12 |
| kanzure | the muslim? | 22:12 |
| kanzure | chinese factory workers | 22:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | i was thinking i'd be pushing limits to get a steady 1000w combined otec/solar operational 24-7 | 22:13 |
| QuantumG | the seasteaders do have a nice design for a floating platform. | 22:13 |
| QuantumG | I'd prefer it if they had some idea how to make them from the sea though.. which was kinda the point of Savage. | 22:14 |
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| QuantumG | oh wow, page 53, I totally forgot about the "airship" delivery system | 22:17 |
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| fenn | i never actually read the book :X | 22:20 |
| fenn | it's sitting on a shelf somewhere at les' shop | 22:20 |
| QuantumG | joshcryer just forked a pdf | 22:20 |
| fenn | yep, downloading | 22:20 |
| QuantumG | I love all the crossed out paragraphs with comments next to it like kk! Gleick! whatever that means | 22:21 |
| fenn | klaatu barada nikto | 22:21 |
| fenn | maybe kevin kelly/james gleick? just guessing | 22:22 |
| joshcryer | Hehe | 22:24 |
| fenn | certainly looks ocr-able | 22:25 |
| joshcryer | Each page is 1750x2749, so barely. | 22:26 |
| QuantumG | http://www.wolfhilbertz.com/ inventer of sea-ment, still flogging it today as "biorock" | 22:26 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if redoing the whole Aquarius dream today would focus on bioengineering | 22:30 |
| QuantumG | for example: why not engineer a single celled organism that likes to form carbon fibre blocks. | 22:30 |
| joshcryer | Like protocells? | 22:31 |
| joshcryer | I think that's viable. | 22:31 |
| QuantumG | just literally grow the damn place rather than thinking of neat ways to generate electricity and then divine metal/concrete from seawater | 22:32 |
| joshcryer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAMrtHC2Ev0 | 22:33 |
| joshcryer | I favorited that recently | 22:33 |
| QuantumG | and because you'd be making the structures out of carbon you can claim you're doing your bit to sequester CO2 | 22:33 |
| joshcryer | if only 'cause Rachel Armstrong is a babe | 22:33 |
| QuantumG | I think you'd have to strongarm me into believing that one. | 22:34 |
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| joshcryer | which bit | 22:34 |
| joshcryer | the bit about protocells | 22:34 |
| joshcryer | or about her being hot? | 22:34 |
| joshcryer | :P | 22:34 |
| QuantumG | her being hot.. she's not too bad | 22:34 |
| joshcryer | I guess the accent is what makes it for me | 22:35 |
| QuantumG | and I think it breaks it for me | 22:35 |
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| QuantumG | typical TED talk.. she ranted on about a concept that I just explained in 10 words. | 22:41 |
| joshcryer | you listened to her talk?? | 22:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, what the thing on the end of the shaft that holds and makes collets clamp down? | 22:44 |
| QuantumG | I assumed that's why you linked to it. | 22:44 |
| fenn | a collet chuck? | 22:45 |
| joshcryer | I'm pretty sure I was being all objectifying over it | 22:45 |
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| * katsmeow-afk will look for that name then | 22:46 | |
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| _F7_ | DIY bio folks on here? | 22:48 |
| QuantumG | kanzure is | 22:48 |
| _F7_ | cool | 22:48 |
| _F7_ | I'm hitting up a supply company for digital micropipetters | 22:48 |
| _F7_ | I've found one that had a good featureset, easy to calibrate, comfortable tip ejection, etc | 22:50 |
| _F7_ | and I'm trying to talk them down to 25 USD | 22:50 |
| _F7_ | right now they're offering 28 in small volume | 22:50 |
| _F7_ | Opinions? | 22:51 |
| kanzure | i was thinking of looking stuff up on alibaba for bulk. dunno. | 22:52 |
| _F7_ | That's exactly what I'm doing | 22:52 |
| _F7_ | I've been chatting with allpro, and they have a promising aliexpress page, which is what pulled me in | 22:53 |
| _F7_ | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/271805899-TopPette-Pipette-Adjustable-Volume--wholesalers.html | 22:54 |
| kanzure | gee i didn't mean to expose your whole plan :) | 22:55 |
| _F7_ | meh, what's community for? | 22:55 |
| kanzure | buying shit for each other? | 22:55 |
| kanzure | how much money do you need | 22:55 |
| _F7_ | I'm still negotiating, I can front it though | 22:56 |
| _F7_ | I plan to give these things to jacob to sell connected to OSF | 22:56 |
| _F7_ | I want to make sure they're good though, so I'll probably just do an order of a half dozen each of .5-10, 10-100, and 100-1000 ul | 22:57 |
| _F7_ | Then I'll go for big grabs | 22:58 |
| _F7_ | They're not autoclavable, but I think that sterility is really more of a tip related thing anyway | 22:58 |
| _F7_ | They have autoclavable varieties, but they cost five times as much | 22:59 |
| _F7_ | I was talking to Len and Merideth when they came to visit, M was talking about setting up a science supply out of texas | 23:00 |
| _F7_ | I'm going to a series of rails classes in a day, I'll meet up with bryan, and get some of this figured out. | 23:01 |
| _F7_ | I want to try and set up a site for general citizen science equipment, and just tie into postal APIs on the order pages to autogenerate mailing labels for whoever I get to do warehouse management | 23:02 |
| kanzure | meredith and len went to houston? | 23:04 |
| kanzure | that's quite a trip from luxembourg | 23:04 |
| _F7_ | Yeah, it's their hometown | 23:07 |
| _F7_ | M's been by twice since the military took that hit off of her | 23:07 |
| _F7_ | and they also like visiting Bram Cohen down south of here | 23:08 |
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| fenn | who's f7? | 23:20 |
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| fenn | sweet, i think i'll get about 7 hours out of this universal battery, maybe it was worth the $100 after all | 23:21 |
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| fenn | tekkeon mp3450 if anyone was wondering | 23:22 |
| kanzure | f7 is forrest flanagan | 23:24 |
| kanzure | 19 year old from houston hanging out with jacob shiach.. | 23:24 |
| kanzure | he was in austin once.. i like the kid :) | 23:24 |
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| kanzure | "Computer scientist Josh Perfetto and software developer Tito Jankowski heard first-ha" | 23:51 |
| kanzure | what the fuck? tito doesn't do software.. | 23:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.biotechniques.com/news/biotechniquesNews/biotechniques-301745.html | 23:51 |
| kanzure | i don't know why jason bobe calls this stuff "pcr innovators" | 23:53 |
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