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| kanzure | oh foeey i should submit a proposal for transvision2010 shouldn't i | 01:14 |
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| kanzure | hi splicer | 01:18 |
| splicer | hi kanzure | 01:18 |
| joshcryer | What are you trying to do with NURBS kanzure? | 01:19 |
| splicer | "Broadband cities... All the top twenty cites were in either Japan or South Korea, with the exception of Umea, in Sweden, which was ranked 18th." | 01:26 |
| splicer | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10786874 | 01:26 |
| splicer | That's my town | 01:26 |
| joshcryer | Nice. | 01:28 |
| joshcryer | Pirate much? | 01:28 |
| joshcryer | :) | 01:28 |
| splicer | I was thinking the same thing ;) | 01:29 |
| splicer | The pirates got just below 10% in the last election(which was for the EU parliament) | 01:30 |
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| joshcryer | Is that good? | 01:32 |
| joshcryer | Don't know EU politics. | 01:32 |
| splicer | i think it was about twice the national average(having pirates in the parliament is good yes) | 01:34 |
| joshcryer | Nah, I mean, can they do anything significant at 10%? | 01:34 |
| joshcryer | I've been impressed that they get any votes at all, to be honest (living in the US you don't expect any third parties to win anything). | 01:34 |
| joshcryer | s/10%/just below 10%/ | 01:34 |
| splicer | They got votes because the pirate bay trial was well publicised and people felt it was a travesty of justice. | 01:38 |
| splicer | I think their main function in the parliament is to force other parties to not make totally idotic decisions, a reminder that the constituents actually care about issues like copyright and privacy. | 01:39 |
| joshcryer | So you'd say they provide an effective balance? | 01:44 |
| joshcryer | At the numbers they're currently at. | 01:44 |
| splicer | I think in the EU parlament their influence is far greater than their numbers. Without them it would be far easier to just pass legislation like the HADOPI. | 01:47 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, have you looked in to CSG? | 01:52 |
| joshcryer | splicer, thanks, that's very good to know, I was worried that they would be ineffective. | 01:52 |
| joshcryer | I'll check their wiki page to see if it provides more evidence to this end. | 01:53 |
| joshcryer | Win: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Andersdotter | 01:56 |
| joshcryer | Dang tor appears to be switching identities like mad, anyone have that problem before? | 01:59 |
| splicer | joshcryer: Here is the other MEP, the man is regarded as very competent by the pirates: http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/swedish-pirate-party-to-host-new-wikileaks-servers/ | 02:04 |
| joshcryer | I saw about that, nice move of them. | 02:12 |
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| dbolser | any fb developers? | 02:55 |
| splicer | hehehe | 03:01 |
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| thesnark | Hey all | 05:35 |
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| kanzure | dbolser: yes i've done facebook development | 07:07 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: yes i've looked into CSG :) basically my framework is this odd fusion between CSG and NURBS | 07:07 |
| kanzure | i should apply this to my meetlog.txt file for clouds and people http://code.google.com/apis/predict/ | 07:09 |
| kanzure | arc attack is selling itself on ebay for $15M http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160473177458#ht_500wt_1154 | 07:15 |
| kanzure | publicity stunt? | 07:16 |
| dbolser | kanzure: can I see your code for learning? | 07:34 |
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| Daeken | kanzure: woot, just launched my little epoc hacking fund, so hopefully i'll have hardware in my hands shortly. >:) | 08:49 |
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| kanzure | dbolser: no, i was just using pyfacebook + django which has examples as it is | 09:14 |
| kanzure | people recommend these days to use iframes anyway for facebook apps instead of the fbml approach | 09:15 |
| kanzure | Daeken: thesnark was in here for a while.. too bad he dropped out | 09:15 |
| Daeken | ah, damn | 09:15 |
| kanzure | thesnark was the one making a 32-channel openeeg | 09:15 |
| Daeken | oh wow | 09:15 |
| kanzure | and replacing the dsp on the epoc | 09:16 |
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| kanzure | joshcryer: as for what i'm doing with nurbs.. a simple CAD engine. | 09:18 |
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| dbolser | fmbl? | 09:43 |
| dbolser | kanzure: seems fb changed its interface recently, so anything old is now obsolete anyway | 09:44 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, very cool. | 09:47 |
| joshcryer | (well needed missing feature from OSS projects) | 09:47 |
| joshcryer | dbolser, FBs interface is still inadequate. | 09:47 |
| joshcryer | And it will never have the versatility to be useful. | 09:47 |
| dbolser | joshcryer: depends what you define as usefull ;-) | 09:48 |
| dbolser | building a game to hock some ads... | 09:48 |
| dbolser | fb | 09:48 |
| dbolser | for everything else, their's kanzure | 09:49 |
| * joshcryer shrugs | 09:49 | |
| joshcryer | I only use FB for Farmville. | 09:49 |
| dbolser | ic | 09:50 |
| dbolser | do you know how fv works? | 09:50 |
| dbolser | I had a contact who was tweeting about his fv dev work, but he doesn't respond these days | 09:51 |
| dbolser | I heard that developers of popular internet games need serious security to keep their identity secret! | 09:51 |
| dbolser | (well, I heard about techsupport actually) | 09:51 |
| dbolser | *that | 09:51 |
| joshcryer | No idea. | 09:51 |
| dbolser | np | 09:52 |
| joshcryer | I just know I have an OCD issue with games. ;) | 09:52 |
| dbolser | fv suckerd me too ;-) | 09:52 |
| dbolser | have you seen the 'social media as game' clip that was going round | 09:52 |
| dbolser | ? | 09:52 |
| dbolser | actually posted to me by that contact | 09:52 |
| joshcryer | Nope. | 09:53 |
| joshcryer | I have a built in mechanism to ignore any and all extraneous information. | 09:54 |
| joshcryer | ie, internal ad-block. :) | 09:54 |
| dbolser | you want me to find it for you? | 09:54 |
| dbolser | or will you notice ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUt-163gZI&feature=autofb | 09:55 |
| dbolser | Putting the Fun in Functional: Applying Game Mechanics to Functional Software | 09:55 |
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| kanzure | names | 12:44 |
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| drazak | kanzure: did you ever find out how much data your other shit takes up? | 12:48 |
| drazak | kanzure: cause I'll host anything that's not a DMCA violation | 12:48 |
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| kanzure | drazak: right now i just need to find a working box to recover a handful of hard drives | 13:08 |
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| kanzure | webcam microscope mount http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3912 | 14:28 |
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| ybit | this should make you realize the importance of spreading civilization asap... and make you feel sorry for the dinosaurs :) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_d-gs0WoUw | 16:00 |
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| ybit | the video is three mins long and it is displaying asteroid discoveries since the 1980s. | 16:22 |
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| QuantumG | nice | 16:35 |
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| [X-Pro]Endos | well if the asteroids have been there for the past several million years, and only one has caused an extinction event, it's not exactly urgent to spread civilization - it would be likely that we would sooner be able to predict and avert an impact before we could colonize other worlds | 16:59 |
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| QuantumG | that's a retarded argument. | 17:00 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | that's a retarded critique | 17:00 |
| QuantumG | "oh, only one of my family have been shot and killed in this neighborhood, we don't really need to move." | 17:00 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | ... families and shootings aren't extinction events | 17:01 |
| QuantumG | the whole point of the video is to point out how ignorant we have been of the threat. | 17:01 |
| QuantumG | .. and, in fact, still are | 17:01 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | well OBVIOUSLY we have been ignorant of the threat, but it's been there since the dawn of man | 17:01 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | yes it's not a question of if, it's a question of when | 17:02 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | but we're a long way off from being able to colonize other planets | 17:02 |
| QuantumG | yah, and when you discover that you've been playing Russian roulette for years without even knowing it, it's time to change the game. | 17:02 |
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| [X-Pro]Endos | well since we're in the infancy stages of space exploration, we can just go colonize a suitable planet several hundred light years away | 17:04 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | can't* | 17:05 |
| QuantumG | or, ya know, we could colonize the ones in our own solar system. | 17:05 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | who's to say there aren't asteroids around the orbits of the other planet either? | 17:06 |
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| [X-Pro]Endos | if we are only just beginning to discover the ones around us | 17:06 |
| QuantumG | they are.. you need to be able to both deflect the incoming asteroids and have another basket to put your eggs in | 17:06 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | well maybe in the next several hundred years we'll be able to colonize the other planets in our solar system, but not all asteroid impacts would be mass extinction events, I would think the collission would need to be from near orthogonal trajectories of the planet and the asteroid | 17:09 |
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| [X-Pro]Endos | if nothing else we definitely need to have more people looking for asteroids near the planet | 17:10 |
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| QuantumG | yeah, we definitely do.. as for a few hundred years, if we don't start now we'll never do it. (most things are like that) | 17:12 |
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| [X-Pro]Endos | well they did want to put the hubble telescope on the moon originally (or so says a friend who worked on the original apollo programs) but they turned it into a huge political issue of the US colonizing the moon, as ridiculous as that sounds | 17:14 |
| QuantumG | heh, that sounds like a conflation of tradeoffs. There has been an argument for years that a lunar radio telescope on the back side would be great stuff.. but studies have shown that an orbiting telescope in L2 would be superior. | 17:15 |
| QuantumG | as for US colonization of the Moon.. there's no real political issues.. except getting the money to do it. The real problem with that idea is that we have no idea if humans can successfully reproduce in lunar gravity. | 17:16 |
| QuantumG | .. and obviously colonization without reproduction is nonsensical. | 17:16 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | noo, other countries opposed the notion at the time | 17:17 |
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| QuantumG | uh huh.. what other countries (and what time?) | 17:17 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | it was while the soviet union existed | 17:17 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | so obviously, the soviet union opposed it | 17:18 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | 1990, but they spent a long time planning it | 17:18 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | so probably during the mid 80's | 17:18 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | a family friend told me this so i don't know everything and it was probably an idea that floated around but was shot down real quickly | 17:20 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:59 |
| ybit | hi JayDugger | 18:03 |
| ybit | i'll be the test subject to test reproduction on the moon | 18:03 |
| ybit | or one part of it :) | 18:03 |
| genehacker | hmmm... you know it's cold enough on some parts of the Moon for superconductors made of lunar material(magnesium diboride) to exist | 18:03 |
| ybit | sounds like the best science gig i could have :) | 18:03 |
| JayDugger | I'd start low on the evolutionary ladder with that, pref. with some nice radiation-resistant plant. | 18:04 |
| JayDugger | "Some parts" ?= permanent shadow | 18:04 |
| genehacker | makes me wonder if magnesium diboride can occur naturally and there are floating rocks on the moon | 18:04 |
| genehacker | yeah | 18:04 |
| JayDugger | I suppose, but don't know, that you might get very low temperatures simply by rigging a sun shade. | 18:05 |
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| genehacker | coldest recorded temperature on the moon: 30 K | 18:05 |
| genehacker | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17810-moon-is-coldest-known-place-in-the-solar-system.html | 18:06 |
| JayDugger | No real convection, no real atmospheric conduction, and I don't think you'd need much insulation to avoid conduction through the regolith. | 18:06 |
| genehacker | critical temperature of magnesium diboride:39k | 18:06 |
| genehacker | or use magnets so your superconducting cable levitates above it | 18:07 |
| QuantumG | cool, can you build a sub-500kg processing plant and articulate robot to do it? | 18:08 |
| genehacker | magnesium and boron are also relatively abundant on the Moon | 18:08 |
| genehacker | maybe | 18:09 |
| JayDugger | genehacker, do you plan to attend the Make:DFW/Dorkbot meeting on Saturday? | 18:09 |
| genehacker | no | 18:09 |
| genehacker | because I'm not in DFW | 18:09 |
| JayDugger | Oh! my mistake. | 18:10 |
| JayDugger | Never mind... | 18:10 |
| genehacker | magnesium and boron were considered extractable by the advanced automation for space missions study | 18:10 |
| genehacker | I don't know about making a sub 500kg processing plant though | 18:11 |
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| kanzure | JayDugger: genehacker is occassionally in that area, but he's actually close to me most of the time | 18:13 |
| QuantumG | yeah, 500kg is probably excessive for a lander too.. we'll have to see what Project-M achieves | 18:13 |
| genehacker | project M? | 18:13 |
| QuantumG | http://robonaut.jsc.nasa.gov/future.asp | 18:13 |
| genehacker | it's going to be able to walk right? | 18:15 |
| QuantumG | ya | 18:15 |
| genehacker | I know somebody here designed a deployment mechanism for it and it had a robot with legs | 18:15 |
| QuantumG | but the methane lander is what interests me | 18:15 |
| genehacker | how are they powering it? | 18:16 |
| genehacker | batteries? | 18:17 |
| QuantumG | battery, and solar panels in the lander to recharge | 18:17 |
| genehacker | will it have to go back to the lander to recharge? | 18:17 |
| genehacker | ok | 18:17 |
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| genehacker | 500 kg is the most recent estimate for the mass of a lunar replicator seed | 18:19 |
| QuantumG | uh huh | 18:23 |
| genehacker | perhaps with improvements in materials it could be lighter | 18:24 |
| QuantumG | perhaps with actual engineering they would discover it needs to be much bigger. :) | 18:24 |
| QuantumG | check out some of the LUNOX proposals | 18:25 |
| QuantumG | there's plenty in the NASA technical reports server | 18:25 |
| genehacker | LUNOX proposal? | 18:25 |
| QuantumG | making oxygen from lunar regolith | 18:25 |
| QuantumG | but an actual study, with real bending of metal, hasn't been done in decades. And remember, the US has never sent a rover to the Moon. | 18:26 |
| JayDugger | NASA TEchnical Reports Server: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp | 18:26 |
| QuantumG | they've sent how many to Mars now? | 18:26 |
| JayDugger | I beg your pardon? | 18:26 |
| genehacker | 3 | 18:26 |
| JayDugger | NASA sent a manned rover to the moon. | 18:27 |
| QuantumG | yes, true :) | 18:27 |
| genehacker | so here's the proposal I'm talking about: | 18:27 |
| genehacker | www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/880Chirikjian.pdf | 18:27 |
| QuantumG | I've read it before, but I'll read it again.. it's been a while. | 18:29 |
| genehacker | he does handwave the whole issue of loss of accuracy by making molds from parts made from molds | 18:29 |
| QuantumG | probably some 3d printing is in order. | 18:29 |
| genehacker | well electron and laser beam melting require closed look control | 18:31 |
| genehacker | *loop | 18:31 |
| QuantumG | I was talking to a guy at ISDC who was advocating making silicon chips on the Moon (actually, whole satellites, with cameras and all). | 18:31 |
| genehacker | how? | 18:31 |
| QuantumG | and I pushed him gentle for the "how" | 18:31 |
| QuantumG | then I pushed him a little less gently | 18:31 |
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| QuantumG | he didn't really know, but his proto-argument was "high vacuum good" | 18:32 |
| QuantumG | .. and there's lots of silicon in regolith | 18:32 |
| QuantumG | which almost sounds like a good start for an argument.. | 18:32 |
| JayDugger | Would that have been Keith Lofstrom at ISDC? | 18:33 |
| QuantumG | it was Philip Crume | 18:35 |
| QuantumG | looking at the schedule, I missed all Keith's talks | 18:36 |
| JayDugger | Darn. I like his ServerSky proposal, but it seems to make no impression. | 18:37 |
| kanzure | fenn: i was looking up brownell and found out that he funded a company called flextronics | 18:38 |
| JayDugger | I've heard of them. :) | 18:38 |
| kanzure | i don't know if you remember from a while back | 18:38 |
| kanzure | 01:56 < fenn> kanzure: what's albert going to be doing now that he graduated? do you know? | 18:38 |
| kanzure | 01:57 < ultraleibniz> he's working for a medical company in houston called flextronics | 18:38 |
| kanzure | (albert and i are doing random software consulting every once in a while) | 18:38 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: have you? | 18:39 |
| JayDugger | They've a plant down the street. | 18:40 |
| kanzure | i'm hanging out with brownell at 9pm tonight.. | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | That might be the contract manufacturer, and not necessarily the same outfit. | 18:41 |
| kanzure | small world effect | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | Big company. | 18:41 |
| kanzure | fenn: you should really post up your "eliminating all of the irrelevant people" thing | 18:41 |
| kanzure | oh i thought they were small. didn't know. | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flextronics | 18:43 |
| JayDugger | fenn, that sounds interesting--assuming it means attention conservation, and not genocide. :) | 18:45 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 18:57 |
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| QuantumG | who wants to hear me vent? | 20:45 |
| jrayhawk | i love vents | 21:16 |
| QuantumG | a guy on a mailing list I'm on is harassing me | 21:17 |
| QuantumG | he's a professional, on an amateur rocketry mailing list, and thinks everything he says on the list is private communications | 21:17 |
| QuantumG | I've kindly told him that anyone can subscribe to the list, so it's obviously not private.. but today he decided to make a comment and felt the need to say no-one has permission to repeat his comments, and single me out | 21:17 |
| QuantumG | I said "thankfully I don't need your permission" and he repeated that I don't have his permission, so I suggested he might like to go fuck himself. | 21:18 |
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| kanzure | back from dinner with dave and brownell.. not sure if we accomplished anything thuogh | 21:25 |
| kanzure | other than eating | 21:25 |
| QuantumG | genehacker: it's actually 6000kg for the seed, but they suggest it could be scaled down. | 21:28 |
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| QuantumG | and their obsession with building an electromagnetic launcher is diverting | 21:29 |
| joshcryer | Whose obessession? | 21:29 |
| QuantumG | http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/880Chirikjian.pdf | 21:29 |
| eridu | does anyone here have an augmented sensorium? | 21:30 |
| joshcryer | Wait. | 21:31 |
| joshcryer | What is wrong with building a rail launcher? | 21:32 |
| joshcryer | This paper is familiar. | 21:32 |
| joshcryer | Yes, I've read this. I liked the idea! | 21:32 |
| joshcryer | How dare you. | 21:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: they want to do a teleconference call with you sometime next week. monday or wednesday if it has to be anything other than business hours, but business hours otherwise preferred. | 21:33 |
| kanzure | On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Bill Claybaugh <wclaybaugh2@cox.net> wrote: | 21:35 |
| kanzure | > You do not have my permission to post my comments on this private forum to | 21:35 |
| kanzure | > any other venue. | 21:35 |
| kanzure | Kindly fuck off. | 21:35 |
| kanzure | heh | 21:35 |
| joshcryer | Haha | 21:36 |
| joshcryer | Are you QuantumG kanzure? | 21:36 |
| kanzure | no | 21:36 |
| QuantumG | I was just telling joshcryer about it. | 21:36 |
| kanzure | i'm on a ridiculous number of mailing lists | 21:36 |
| joshcryer | God I've been awake another damn 30+ hours and the thought was amusing to me. | 21:36 |
| joshcryer | Yeah, he was telling me about it. | 21:36 |
| joshcryer | So great. | 21:36 |
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