2010-09-29.log

--- Log opened Wed Sep 29 00:00:18 2010
-!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-57-83-171.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]00:09
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]00:24
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap01:07
-!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has joined #hplusroadmap01:11
-!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit []01:17
fenncomputer in a suitcase in a suitcase01:44
archelskanzure: heh I read Visualizeit as a sort of German pun01:49
fennneat, i didnt know about the git submodule functionality01:55
fennreal gears (finally) http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:357501:58
-!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has joined #hplusroadmap02:08
-!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]02:31
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]02:41
-!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]03:00
-!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-57-83-171.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap03:27
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap04:28
-!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-19-54.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap05:18
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]05:24
-!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]05:46
-!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has joined #hplusroadmap06:21
fenncyborg cat.. http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=M_UyGP9d2R8&feature=related06:25
archelsStephen Hawking as a cat!06:30
fenni like the random chatter about the singularity at the end of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=MY8-sJS0W1I06:31
fenn(more robot porn)06:32
fennthis is a mildly entertaining (if slow) nao video http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=2STTNYNF4lk&feature=related06:34
-!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-19-54.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]06:41
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap06:42
-!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined #hplusroadmap06:46
-!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap06:50
-!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]06:56
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]06:57
-!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]06:58
-!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #hplusroadmap07:06
JayDuggerKanzure, did you bid on the scanner you mentioned yesterday?07:16
JayDuggerhttps://ricklevin.nextlot.com/public/lot/282609207:17
JayDuggerThe same auction has another scanner with a similar resale value. Bell & Howell Copiscan 8000 Spectrum Duplex Scanner07:20
JayDuggerhttps://ricklevin.nextlot.com/public/lot/282564207:20
-!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld]07:31
-!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap07:41
fennlots of neat stuff wrt motion planning in here http://openrave.programmingvision.com/index.php/Main_Page07:42
fennhow the heck did i not find this earlier07:45
fennpretty sure i've seen the cereal box stacking demo07:45
-!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has quit [Quit: codeshepherd]07:57
-!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has joined #hplusroadmap07:58
-!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has quit [Client Quit]07:58
-!- augur_ [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap08:02
-!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]08:02
-!- augur_ [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]08:10
-!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap08:11
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap08:12
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap08:21
-!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving]08:31
-!- patrik [~patrik@h193n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap08:43
-!- patrik is now known as splicer08:44
-!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap08:54
kanzure"industrial controls: why Windows?" http://themoderatevoice.com/87179/industrial-controls-why-windows/09:10
-!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld]09:19
fennwhy is everyone so freaked out about stuxnet09:19
-!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap09:20
-!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]09:23
joshcryerEveryone freaks out about technological fallibility.09:41
-!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #hplusroadmap09:42
-!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap []09:43
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]09:44
kanzurefenn: because nobody knows how to program plcs anymore :P09:45
kanzureit's overhyped but on the positive side i now have access to people who work in the control systems industry09:46
kanzurestalk: Ron Southworth, Eric Byres <eric@byressecurity.com>, Shawn Merdinger <shawnmer@gmail.com>, Éireann Leverett <eleverettlists@googlemail.com>, Michael Toecker <michael.toecker@gmail.com>, Ivan Arce <ivan.arce@coresecurity.com>, Joe Weiss <joeweiss16@yahoo.com>, Colin Cassidy <parttimesecurityguy@gmail.com>09:47
maskedkanzure: 09:51
maskedhave you seen the epoc controlled robot09:51
maskedsome consumer bot09:51
kanzurewas it a tiny robotic arm?09:52
maskedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNkkuMO5l7A09:52
maskednah, Rovio09:52
maskedi have an arduino kit09:52
maskedwell i have a few09:52
kanzurewtf are "brain waves"09:53
kanzureman, this is so lame09:53
maskedand some ubiquiti rocket's and other alike wifi devices that can run openwrt09:53
* kanzure goes away09:53
maskedjust haven't bought the battery powered rc car to mod09:54
maskedand damn it's been a long time.. lol it'll probably never happen09:54
maskedlol what kanzure ?09:54
kanzurethe world is being lame to me today09:54
kanzurei'll bbl09:55
maskedthey're all lepers09:55
maskedfeel the power09:55
masked;)09:55
maskedpeace09:55
-!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-57-83-171.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]10:02
-!- JaredW [~JaredW@219-89-77-123.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap10:02
-!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap10:08
-!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Changing host]10:08
-!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@unaffiliated/kristianpaul] has joined #hplusroadmap10:08
-!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]10:33
kanzure"There is an organization called Social and Environmental Entrepreneurs that will extend its 501c3 status to any organization that seems to be moving in their direction.  It's what they do.  You simply apply to "become a project" of their overarching corporate entity and you're covered."10:49
kanzurehuh10:49
-!- Ian_Daniher [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]10:49
kanzuredoes anyone know who "viduata@gmail.com" is?10:50
kanzureMITRE has two employees (jim barkley and sam) who are being /paid/ to work on ohroadmap10:53
kanzureguess i better jump on that10:53
-!- Ian_Daniher [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap11:03
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap11:22
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]11:24
fennsam putman works at mitre?11:38
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]11:38
-!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving]11:45
-!- mheld [~mheld@216.214.247.202] has joined #hplusroadmap11:48
-!- mheld [~mheld@216.214.247.202] has left #hplusroadmap []11:49
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap11:55
-!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap11:57
kanzurefenn: p. sure it's some other sam.. unless you saw sam putnam somewhere12:09
-!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]12:20
-!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap12:24
-!- ybit2 [4c1df68b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.29.246.139] has joined #hplusroadmap12:24
ybit2If anyone said anything to me within the past 48 hours or so, I missed it. 12:24
phrykI just ordered a tens.12:35
phrykShould be fun with the magnet implant :D12:35
-!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]12:39
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]12:40
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap12:42
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]12:42
-!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap12:46
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap13:39
kanzurepoor drexler http://metamodern.com/2010/09/24/out-of-the-memory-hole-a-historian-speaks-out-on-nanotechnology/13:45
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving]13:46
-!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]13:48
-!- ybit2 [4c1df68b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.29.246.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]14:45
kanzuredustbin: you around?14:50
kanzurehttp://pastebin.ca/195141214:50
kanzurethat's "toolkit3.py", a scratch file i've been using for my wxpython/opengl stuff for lolcad14:50
kanzurethere are a number of bugs that i have been stumped on..14:51
kanzure(1) when you maximize the window and then unmaximize it, the glcanvas is blank14:51
kanzure(2) if you add SetMinSize to wx.Frame (to something like 200x200) when you resize the window down to the minimum size you can change the glcanvas display O_o (which should not be possible)14:53
kanzure(3) if you disable the file menu bar and the statusbar, the canvas correctly "scales" the object. if you leave the statusbar and menu file bar on by default, the cube becomes occluded by the bars (indicating that the bars are drawn on top of the canvas).. so fixing that has escaped me so far14:54
kanzureexample of occlusion here (the window to the right): http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-09-29-1608-wxpython-glcanvas-occlusion.png14:57
kanzureanother example of #2 is if you comment out glViewport calls in OnSize (and optionally place in a call to self.OnPaint(event)), maximize the window, unmaximize, you'll see the object, but if you resize by one or two pixels the object "jumps" back to the center of the window15:10
kanzurei guess that means #1 is fixed, uh, sort of15:10
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap15:22
dustbinhey15:22
kanzurehi15:24
dustbinIIRC you are going to need to do some setup every time you resize15:25
dustbinI can't remember how much needs to be done, but it's significant15:25
dustbinthe wx specific problems I don't know anything about15:31
dustbinI worked in SDL and Java Swing in the past15:31
kanzureheh, i was an allegro groupie so you're like a mortal enemy then :P15:32
kanzure(lookup "sdl vs. allegro")15:32
dustbinI'm vaguely familiar15:33
kanzureOn Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote:15:35
kanzure> The idea would be to position H+Mag as THE central source of info on15:35
kanzure> transhumanist thinking.15:35
kanzurei just don't see how to make that happen15:35
-!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]15:38
-!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap15:44
kanzurehm maybe i can get h+ to centralize tax-deductible donations for neurorighter16:01
dustbinI think I understand the wxPython/opengl way of doing things now and I think I understand problem 116:01
kanzureplease explain :(16:01
dustbinyou don't need to do all of the init function on every resize16:02
dustbinbut you need some of it16:02
dustbinrebuilding the view for one thing16:02
kanzuregluPerspective() is what's important i think16:02
dustbinright16:03
dustbinand related things like glMatrixMode switching16:04
dustbinthe clearcolor cleardepth etc should hold over16:04
-!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has joined #hplusroadmap16:15
-!- andares [~andares@weldorm-pat.netcom.duke.edu] has quit [Changing host]16:37
-!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined #hplusroadmap16:37
-!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has quit [Quit: memorex]16:38
-!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap16:44
-!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]16:48
-!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap16:57
-!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]16:57
kanzure"I mean this is one of the reasons that hardware manufacturers often don't open source their drivers. Because if they open source their drivers, then other hardware manufacturers will look at that and go, oh, well your hardware must stomp on this patent device."18:04
-!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap18:04
kanzurelame18:04
-!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap18:10
-!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]18:23
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap18:40
-!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-170-193-255.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap18:50
-!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@unaffiliated/kristianpaul] has left #hplusroadmap []19:02
kanzuretmccabe37: do you know if hplus summit la is happening this year still?19:30
tmccabe37kanzure: It's being pushed back to December, but we're still planning it19:34
kanzurethis still says november: http://hplussummit2010west.eventbrite.com/19:35
-!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nchaimov]20:04
-!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap20:06
-!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld]20:09
-!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]20:11
-!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap20:17
-!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving]21:24
-!- splicer [~patrik@h193n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]21:26
-!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap21:51
-!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has joined #hplusroadmap22:06
-!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-134.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap22:26
-!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-85-34.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]22:30
-!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-134.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]22:59
-!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-83-140.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap23:13
-!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]23:24
-!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap23:24
--- Log closed Thu Sep 30 00:00:17 2010

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.0.dev0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!