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| archels | kanzure: Could you elaborate on what the hplusroadmap project is, or what your intentions for it were/are? | 02:52 |
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| Metafire | Oh, hi. There are actually more users here than I expected. | 03:06 |
| archels | willkommen | 03:40 |
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| kanzure | hi Metafire | 05:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: stanley knutson has been using http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/ for sleep | 05:43 |
| kanzure | archels: hplusroadmap was a roadmapping project for transhuman tech. dunno what to tell you :) | 05:44 |
| archels | kanzure: hehe. I think I found the wiki. | 05:44 |
| archels | Pretty outrageous that you've been waiting a year for project status from Freenode. | 05:47 |
| fenn | flux doesn't work on linux, unsurprisingly | 05:50 |
| fenn | anyway you've already discovered redshift and xflux | 05:51 |
| kanzure | did i forget to pester stan or is he just ignoring my emails | 05:52 |
| kanzure | ah, i never sent the email | 05:52 |
| kanzure | hm | 05:52 |
| fenn | http://jonls.dk/redshift/ | 05:53 |
| fenn | yeah, i was supposed to like, schmooze with him first, or something | 05:53 |
| kanzure | strategy! | 05:53 |
| fenn | apparently i need to work on my communication skills | 05:53 |
| kanzure | just say "no" | 05:53 |
| fenn | i thought it was "smile and nod" | 05:54 |
| kanzure | i can't keep track | 05:54 |
| kanzure | i also can't figure out how i would do sketch-based CAD in python | 05:54 |
| kanzure | sketches are kinda hard to do by api | 05:54 |
| fenn | so i just got passed over for an awesome job (probably the only job i actually wanted to do) because i'm not succinct enough (?) | 05:55 |
| fenn | sketches are just 2d geometry | 05:55 |
| fenn | what's so hard abotu that | 05:56 |
| kanzure | solidworks really isn't csg, it's more like "select a surface, draw on it, and you're good to go" | 05:57 |
| kanzure | sphere.to_surface() -> then line1.append(line2) ? i dunno | 05:57 |
| fenn | wha? | 05:59 |
| fenn | first make the sketch, then warp it to the surface | 06:00 |
| fenn | in occ to make a helix you first make a diagonal line, then warp it around a cylindrical space | 06:00 |
| kanzure | sketching by command doesn't come naturally to me | 06:00 |
| fenn | just forget that it's a 2d geometry | 06:01 |
| fenn | solidworks also has a helix demo, it's basically the same thing | 06:01 |
| fenn | http://www.aboutsolidworks.com/helical_threads.htm | 06:01 |
| kanzure | so, i was thinking that you might have weird surfaces that are not rectangular | 06:02 |
| fenn | er, um, no, it's totally different. nevermind | 06:02 |
| kanzure | cylindrical is rectangular | 06:02 |
| fenn | you know about UV parameterization right? | 06:02 |
| kanzure | i guess i can ignore those edge cases | 06:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 06:02 |
| fenn | i think UV works for everything except weird math topology class experiments | 06:03 |
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| kanzure | one time i was making a foot clamp model in solidworks | 06:04 |
| fenn | kinky | 06:05 |
| kanzure | the underlying geometry had an 8-line polygon | 06:05 |
| kanzure | and basically the way that i was going about it was drawing the rough sketch, the general shape, | 06:05 |
| kanzure | then constraining the lines with respect to each other | 06:05 |
| kanzure | line1 = Line((0,0), (5,5)) and all that just seems.. intense | 06:06 |
| kanzure | i guess it could work | 06:06 |
| kanzure | or svg import? :D | 06:06 |
| fenn | there's a lot of information in a typical cad drawing | 06:06 |
| fenn | there's a reason nobody uses brlcad :P | 06:06 |
| kanzure | nobody uses brlcad because they don't want csg :P | 06:07 |
| fenn | csg would be ok if it had easy shell creation and filleting | 06:07 |
| fenn | i guess i ought to install solidworks, pity it's so huge | 06:08 |
| kanzure | i saw a web app startup the other day.. they had abstracted wine into a ajax masterpiece | 06:09 |
| kanzure | "run your apps anywhere!" | 06:09 |
| kanzure | it was very strange | 06:09 |
| fenn | hm i guess i could try vmware if wine doesnt work | 06:11 |
| kanzure | wine probably won't work, yes | 06:11 |
| fenn | i do have a windows partition lurking on this drive that i forgot about somehow | 06:11 |
| kanzure | openscad imports dxf so that people don't have to do weird sketches | 06:15 |
| fenn | of course importing other formats is important, but that doesn't mean you don't have to provide any api access to 2d geometry functions | 06:17 |
| fenn | anybody have opinions qemu vs virtualbox vs ? | 06:18 |
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| kanzure | you should just stick with vmware this time around | 06:20 |
| fenn | i dont have vmware | 06:22 |
| kanzure | go download it | 06:23 |
| kanzure | it's on their site | 06:23 |
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| fenn | hum apparently i have _two_ windows partitions (XP and NT) | 06:34 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:47 |
| JayDugger | Nice blog post, QuantumG. RLV Space Transport News reblogged it, if you don't already know. | 06:48 |
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| fenn | ok this is slightly absurd http://imrannazar.com/Running-a-Windows-Partition-in-VMware | 07:05 |
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| dbolser | masked: did it continue to work for 20 mins? | 08:27 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: I was aware of that post yes. | 08:27 |
| dbolser | 09 Oct 2008 | 08:27 |
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| masked | dbolser, the app i used was a demo and cut out after 10 tried with orbit downloader later and it didnt work | 08:53 |
| masked | havent played back the bit i got | 08:53 |
| dbolser | after 10 mins ? | 08:54 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/jack.html | 09:20 |
| masked | dbolser, yeh | 09:30 |
| dbolser | masked: 9 mins longer than I've got... | 09:34 |
| dbolser | Nothing makes sense in biology except in the light of evolution (Dobzhansky). | 09:38 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: this is quite interesting | 09:39 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: I tried to lay down some principles here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133311613374801&v=wall&story_fbid=133553513350611#!/topic.php?uid=133311613374801&topic=197 | 09:40 |
| Utopiah | dbolser: maybe http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/SUPORGLI.html could help too | 09:42 |
| dbolser | I'm interested in defining a computation for an evolving system | 09:43 |
| dbolser | You can model some complex network of 'biological' interaction with some kind of intteraction function that computes strength of interaction between evolving strings, but what does the network do? | 09:44 |
| Utopiah | maybe also http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003624 | 09:44 |
| dbolser | yeah... | 09:45 |
| Utopiah | and even more generally http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/kleinber/networks-book/ http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/?cp=24301&view=usa&ci=0198515901 http://precedings.nature.com/documents/4894/version/2 | 09:45 |
| dbolser | scale free... | 09:46 |
| dbolser | how about this : http://eutils.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11791232 | 09:47 |
| dbolser | sorry | 09:47 |
| dbolser | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11791232 | 09:47 |
| dbolser | http://precedings.nature.com/documents/4894/version/2 2010?? | 09:48 |
| dbolser | here we show what has been known in the field for the last 10 years... | 09:49 |
| dbolser | what is new here? | 09:49 |
| Utopiah | I guess I dont really know at what level you are working on so it's a bit hard to see what model would be the more useful | 09:49 |
| dbolser | oh, it's not peer reviewd | 09:49 |
| Utopiah | "strength of interaction" maybe algorithmic game theory could help there | 09:52 |
| Utopiah | (updates http://gephi.org/2010/gephi-0-7beta-released/ | 09:53 |
| Utopiah | dbolser: Id bet if you conform to his "vocabulary" he could give some interesting input ;) | 09:57 |
| dbolser | who? | 09:59 |
| Utopiah | Gregory Chaitin | 10:00 |
| dbolser | Gdephi? | 10:00 |
| dbolser | person? | 10:00 |
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| dbolser | Utopiah: back to http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/jack.html | 10:03 |
| Utopiah | sorry, I tend to do topic (side topic | 10:04 |
| dbolser | is there any game where you submit a program using a 'reality api' and the idea is to make your software 'live' in some kind of online reality? | 10:04 |
| Utopiah | Gregory Chaitin wrote those pages on AIT and the recent 162p article on metabiology | 10:04 |
| dbolser | I remember hearing about an 'asteroids' competition... you get pixel data from the game screen, and the idea is to write a prog to play asteroids | 10:04 |
| dbolser | to standardize the entries, all progs run by talking to the game api | 10:05 |
| dbolser | it would be cool to have some kind of game world for all such progs to compete | 10:06 |
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| kanzure | http://blogs.biobus.org/2010/09/blue-ribbon-biobus/ | 10:07 |
| Utopiah | depends on what scale and model you want to conform to Id say | 10:07 |
| kanzure | http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Russell_Durrett/Notebook/mtDNA | 10:07 |
| Utopiah | dbolser: maybe http://www.innovativ.it/HistoricalArchives/Seedea/Seedea/Simulations can help | 10:07 |
| dbolser | kanzure: congrats :D | 10:08 |
| dbolser | kanzure: cool protocol | 10:09 |
| dbolser | I reviewed a paper on that topic for rapid and robus species identification of meat products | 10:09 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: cool | 10:10 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: I started a topic on a 'bio-enterprize' forum called "is IP fit for purpose" arguing that we need a free market for ideas just like goods and services | 10:11 |
| dbolser | esentially arguing for systems like seedea | 10:11 |
| dbolser | so far no replies... | 10:11 |
| Utopiah | well we can chat in PM if you want but right I gotta go | 10:11 |
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| Utopiah | \right now | 10:12 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: I'm thinking something along those lines, however, if you wanted to build a powerfull character, he would have to eat up a lot of other characters... | 10:12 |
| dbolser | l8r | 10:12 |
| Utopiah | ttyl | 10:12 |
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| fenn | interesting possible basis for why fasting increases longevity http://metamodern.com/2010/07/24/autophagy-why-you-should-eat-yourself | 10:17 |
| augur | dogopus! | 10:17 |
| uniqanomaly | http://www.thegwpf.org/ipcc-news/1617-royal-society-bows-to-climate-change-sceptics.html | 10:18 |
| uniqanomaly | they finally noticed, lol | 10:18 |
| augur | noticed what | 10:19 |
| uniqanomaly | "The Royal Society is publishing a new document today after a rebellion by more than 40 of its fellows who questioned mankind's contribution to rising temperatures." | 10:19 |
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| augur | all of them not at all working on the issue, no doubt | 10:20 |
| kanzure | don't bring the climate in here | 10:20 |
| kanzure | take it to #space or #weather :P | 10:20 |
| augur | dont take it to #space unless its space climatology. | 10:21 |
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| Utopiah | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/10/21000-exoskeleton-toy-for-kids.html | 11:27 |
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| fenn | does it actually walk? | 11:39 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/products/other/ki-w/091222kw-v0.wmv | 11:40 |
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| Utopiah | it rolls :/ | 11:55 |
| fenn | ah, brought to you by the same guys who made the other lame non-walking walker | 12:01 |
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| memorex | makes sense? | 12:49 |
| memorex | sorry, miss type. | 12:50 |
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| panax | so my PI is asking me to stretch the truth in a paper | 13:00 |
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| CryptoQuick | panax: that sounds interesting, what's up? :V | 13:04 |
| panax | i guess i'll just roll with it its not very important | 13:05 |
| CryptoQuick | probably a good idea | 13:06 |
| CryptoQuick | gotta play the game | 13:06 |
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| kanzure | dustbin: dunno if you ever tried pythonocc but it's a swig-based wrapper to opencascade | 14:32 |
| kanzure | and it has a wxpython frontend with various key bindings if you want some inspiration/insight | 14:32 |
| dustbin | ok | 14:32 |
| kanzure | lemme see if i can find the file (InteractiveViewer.py) | 14:32 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/pythonocc/source/browse/trunk/src/examples/Tools/InteractiveViewer/InteractiveViewer.py | 14:33 |
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| masked | :-) /win 6 | 18:53 |
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| kanzure | tudou totally kicks the crap out of youtube | 20:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/fKREfOyrmAQ/ | 20:01 |
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| Utopiah | http://lifeextensionconference.com | 23:29 |
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