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| archels | http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/precognition-real-cornell-university-lab-releases-powerful-new-evidence-human-mind-can- | 05:08 |
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| archels | chuckle | 05:08 |
| mjr | yeah I'm not sure that should be there yet... | 05:09 |
| mjr | though I appreciate the approach of making people predict porn | 05:09 |
| mjr | Imagine the practical applications! Have a juicy fuckfest signal alarms, so monitors can alert people of an impending emergency! | 05:12 |
| archels | haha | 05:12 |
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| * archels waits for someone to mention Rozencrantz and Guildernstein on the [singularity] psi thread | 05:52 | |
| archels | er, Guildenstern | 05:53 |
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| archels | Goertzel and flamoot, separated at birth? *ahem* | 06:16 |
| QuantumG | Goertzel and soap maybe. | 06:19 |
| archels | rofl | 06:20 |
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| JayDugger | augur: Yes, I have interest in building a book scanner. | 06:58 |
| Utopiah | http://diybookscanner.org | 06:58 |
| Utopiah | (I wish there was one nearby Paris I could use for few of my old notebooks) | 06:59 |
| JayDugger | Yeah...I keep hanging up on page turning and buying cameras. | 07:00 |
| JayDugger | I've scanned enough books to know what a pain it is to do well. | 07:00 |
| JayDugger | And I hate picking through forums for the useful bits of information. | 07:01 |
| JayDugger | OTOH--I really need one, so... | 07:01 |
| JayDugger | time to embrace the suck. | 07:01 |
| Utopiah | the lucky thing though is that you have Internet and others are most likely thinking the same in your area | 07:02 |
| JayDugger | But thank you for the link, Utopiah. | 07:02 |
| Utopiah | np | 07:02 |
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| Utopiah | kanzure: btw regarding /tmp/lab #1 it is far from downtown making it really hard to reach, the channel is elistist (and IMHO in a bad way) with few "leaders" with rough edges and overall the I find the projects mainly artistish (not artistic or Art) which is nice for who are realizing them but not really what Im into so let's say I keep an eye on it but don't want to involve myself there more for the time being | 07:05 |
| Utopiah | I guess somehow I just feel ok knowing "if one day I would need it, I know where it is and how it works" | 07:06 |
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| Utopiah | Im not complaining though | 07:08 |
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| klafka | hey kanzure around? | 07:56 |
| JayDugger | He hasn't spoken up the last few hours. | 07:58 |
| kanzure | i am always around | 08:04 |
| kanzure | #hplusroadmap is routed straight into my thalamus | 08:04 |
| klafka | hahaha | 08:06 |
| klafka | what are your thoughts on EPD? have you used it | 08:06 |
| kanzure | from enthought? | 08:07 |
| kanzure | scipy is useful | 08:07 |
| kanzure | i've used numpy more times than i can count | 08:07 |
| klafka | i mean like does it work together well | 08:08 |
| klafka | does it really "just work" | 08:08 |
| kanzure | uh | 08:08 |
| kanzure | i don't know what you're talkinga bout | 08:08 |
| kanzure | i usually use numpy stuff in different contexts | 08:08 |
| klafka | http://www.enthought.com/products/epd.php | 08:08 |
| kanzure | i mean, how hard is it to get basic math stuff wrong | 08:08 |
| kanzure | yeah i'd trust this | 08:08 |
| kanzure | the enthought guys are really badass | 08:08 |
| kanzure | i'd also ask in #python | 08:09 |
| kanzure | or #scipy | 08:09 |
| kanzure | to be more explicit, no i have never used EPD itself | 08:10 |
| klafka | ah ok | 08:10 |
| klafka | have you ever used disco? | 08:10 |
| kanzure | is this a drug? | 08:10 |
| kanzure | http://discoproject.org/ | 08:10 |
| kanzure | hrm | 08:10 |
| klafka | lol | 08:11 |
| klafka | yeah that | 08:11 |
| kanzure | never used it | 08:11 |
| JayDugger | Augur, what prompted your question from early this morning, "anyone interested in building a book scanner?" | 08:22 |
| kanzure | probably a lot of books laying around | 08:24 |
| kanzure | crap, i forgot my friday deadline for matt | 08:24 |
| JayDugger | Back to work. That grindstone won't wear down unless you put your nose to it. | 08:26 |
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| Utopiah | NTT DOCOMO AR Walker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oAOtuRQmJI | 08:39 |
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| JayDugger | Certainly too many books make for clutter. | 08:45 |
| Utopiah | scanning books because one has too many makes me think of people ripping their CD while Napster was out, I don't get it. | 08:46 |
| JayDugger | I have books that I can't get online. | 08:47 |
| JayDugger | And I started scanning books almost ten years ago. | 08:47 |
| JayDugger | Availability was even more limited then. | 08:47 |
| JayDugger | Many books that aren't OEF (Original Electronic Format) can have scans of widely varying quality. | 08:48 |
| JayDugger | Even OEF books often have poor interior layout, inaccurate metadata, or worse wrong metadata. | 08:49 |
| Utopiah | if you scan books that are not available online or in poor quality, I respectfuly bow to you | 08:49 |
| JayDugger | Nicely said, and I thank you. | 08:49 |
| JayDugger | But I usually turn around and resell them. :) | 08:50 |
| JayDugger | Anyhow, my girlfriend's home and deserves my attention. | 08:50 |
| JayDugger | She just came back from a neuromarketing study, and I want to hear about it. | 08:50 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://www.parc.com/about/people/2481/tolga-kurtoglu.html | 09:03 |
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| Utopiah | feeds from H+ Summit: Live Long and Prosper? | 09:20 |
| kanzure | http://humanityplus.org/2010/11/gada-prize-in-personal-manufacturing-at-humanityplus/ | 09:21 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: live long and prosper has been cancelled. | 09:21 |
| Utopiah | that's why I heard no news from it, found that strange | 09:22 |
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| kanzure | posted on the forums: http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?171,65512 | 09:41 |
| kanzure | hi Palomides | 09:41 |
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| kanzure | bah | 09:47 |
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| kanzure | http://diybio.org/2010/11/05/diybio-and-the-man | 09:52 |
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| kanzure | sent out the emails.. | 10:01 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/3e46911837b03148 | 10:01 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/3e46911837b03148 | 10:01 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/makerbot/browse_thread/thread/3e46911837b03148 | 10:01 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/thingiverse/browse_thread/thread/3e46911837b03148 | 10:01 |
| kanzure | http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2010-November/008043.html | 10:02 |
| kanzure | cool they all have the same hashes on google groups | 10:07 |
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| kanzure | ok i also posted to facebook http://facebook.com/kanzure feel free to "like" it | 10:25 |
| kanzure | or RT it http://twitter.com/humanityplus | 10:26 |
| kanzure | phew, hitting all the bases can be exhausting :) | 10:26 |
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| kanzure | i was just showing mac some papers about interconnectable microfluidic blocks | 10:50 |
| kanzure | Fast and reliable way to establish fluidic connections to planar microchips http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Fast%20and%20reliable%20way%20to%20establish%20fluidic%20connections%20to%20planar%20microchips%20-%20straws%20-%20glue%20-%20Snakenborg%20-%202007.pdf | 10:51 |
| kanzure | Interconnectable blocks - a method for providing reusable, rapid, multiple aligned and planar microfluidic interconnections http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Interconnectable%20blocks%20-%20a%20method%20for%20providing%20reusable,%20rapid,%20multiple,%20aligned%20and%20planar%20microfluidic%20interconnections%20-%20Snakenborg%20-%202009.pdf | 10:52 |
| kanzure | Macro-to-macro interfaces http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Macro-to-micro%20interfaces%20for%20microfluidic%20devices.pdf | 10:52 |
| kanzure | Microfluidic assembly blocks http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Microfluidic%20assembly%20blocks.pdf | 10:52 |
| kanzure | Microfluidic motherboards and interconnects http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Microfluidic%20motherboard%20-%20has%20a%20good%20list%20of%20different%20types%20of%20interconnections%20from%20the%20literature.pdf | 10:52 |
| kanzure | also, re: alternative innovation models, does anyone know what's up with aiden hollis or jamie love? | 10:53 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/aiden-hollis-health-impact-fund.html | 10:53 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/jamie-love-knowledge-ecology-international.html | 10:53 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/innovation-paradigm-qa.html | 10:53 |
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| kanzure | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/direct-current-stimulation-more-than.html | 11:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655647/ | 11:40 |
| kanzure | Temporal Lobe Cortical Electrical Stimulation during the Encoding and Retrieval Phase Reduces False Memories http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655647/pdf/pone.0004959.pdf | 11:40 |
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| kanzure | hi MattyMatt | 12:13 |
| MattyMatt | hi kazure. I'm watching part 1 of the vid now | 12:22 |
| kanzure | cool. hope it's informative. | 12:24 |
| MattyMatt | it's a bit Utopian IMO. a car is a bad example. it's isn't patents that stops me having one, it's the cost of insurance | 12:25 |
| MattyMatt | sending civilisation seeds to other planets though, I grok that | 12:26 |
| MattyMatt | nanotech is the win there, when feasible | 12:26 |
| Utopiah | s/Utopian/utopian/ ;) | 12:28 |
| MattyMatt | nope, Utopia was an imaginary place | 12:28 |
| kanzure | MattyMatt: i had to explain the concept of apt-get to other people | 12:31 |
| kanzure | i really fail at it | 12:31 |
| kanzure | i want apt-get for hardware and hardware packages. | 12:32 |
| kanzure | there, now you don't have to watch a 20min video | 12:32 |
| MattyMatt | Thingiverse :) | 12:32 |
| kanzure | thingiverse sucks | 12:32 |
| kanzure | it's just a filebin | 12:32 |
| kanzure | on a *website* | 12:33 |
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| MattyMatt | that could be hidden behind a Synaptic style interface on the reprap front panel | 12:35 |
| kanzure | sure. | 12:35 |
| kanzure | there's a git repo here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb | 12:36 |
| MattyMatt | how long until we get the urge to port allegro to atmega, do you think? :) | 12:36 |
| MattyMatt | I already want 3d preview on this thing http://www.nuelectronics.com/estore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=18 | 12:37 |
| kanzure | would allegro even fit on an atmega? | 12:38 |
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| MattyMatt | absolutely not, but the urge is there | 12:38 |
| MattyMatt | damn that cheap touchscreen, if that didn't exist I'd concentrate on an Android front panel instead | 12:40 |
| MattyMatt | or NDS | 12:40 |
| MattyMatt | I should have another go at building A5 on the lappy. it's my only working Windows machine and I still want to use VS | 12:42 |
| MattyMatt | I can't find a combo of VS, PSDK & DXSDK that works with it tho, but that was before 4.9.13 last time I tried | 12:45 |
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| kanzure | well that's a lame page update: http://www.foresight.org/gadaprize.php | 12:50 |
| Palomides | hehe | 12:50 |
| MattyMatt | so the $80k was a lie? they were offering money they didn't have? | 12:59 |
| kanzure | yep | 12:59 |
| MattyMatt | bastards | 12:59 |
| kanzure | but i definitely have the $20k | 13:00 |
| MattyMatt | waitaminute, Kartik isn't our Karthik is it? oh no he's Karthik Kumar | 13:01 |
| kanzure | kartik is some real estate flipper dood | 13:01 |
| MattyMatt | he should offer some land as the prize then :) | 13:02 |
| MattyMatt | that's the real scarce resource on this planet | 13:02 |
| kanzure | http://reliancecp.com/ | 13:02 |
| MattyMatt | are they still putting up the prize money? if not, why keep the same name for the prize? | 13:05 |
| kanzure | who? | 13:05 |
| kanzure | foresight "owned" the prize money | 13:05 |
| kanzure | so now humanity+ does (where i'm managing it) | 13:05 |
| MattyMatt | Kartik M Gada. what did/does he do for the kudos? | 13:05 |
| kanzure | i don't know why it has his name | 13:06 |
| kanzure | 15:02 < fenn> that would be more like a bounty than a prize | 13:06 |
| kanzure | 15:02 < kanzure> this feels like a bounty ;) | 13:06 |
| kanzure | 15:02 < fenn> i dont see anything wrong with a bounty, it just doesn't inflate kartik m. gada's ego as much | 13:06 |
| kanzure | 15:03 < kanzure> you mean the Kartik M. Gada Humanitarian Innovation Prize in Personal Manufacturing | 13:06 |
| kanzure | 15:03 < fenn> "humanitarian" | 13:06 |
| kanzure | 15:03 < fenn> he survives on a diet solely consisting of humans | 13:06 |
| kanzure | MattyMatt: he claims he has more money to tap | 13:07 |
| kanzure | he funded the prize originally | 13:08 |
| kanzure | plus people know the "gada prize" so that's fine by me.. but yeah. | 13:08 |
| MattyMatt | anyway it's all out of my league. I'm working towards building a traditional+CNC machine shop to make robots | 13:12 |
| kanzure | cool :) | 13:12 |
| kanzure | do you have a machine shop? | 13:12 |
| MattyMatt | I have a vice and a file :) | 13:12 |
| MattyMatt | and my plywood mill of course. no lathe yet | 13:13 |
| kanzure | close enough, you could build everything from scratch.. david gingery style | 13:13 |
| kanzure | MattyMatt: see here: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/e4c375acce772250 | 13:13 |
| kanzure | gingery published a series of books on how to make a machine shop from scratch | 13:13 |
| kanzure | you could also just buy shit *shrug* | 13:13 |
| MattyMatt | yep I'm well aware of the Gingery route, and I also watch Kevin Kelly & Steven Johnson talking about the technium a few nights ago on fora.tv | 13:17 |
| kanzure | Michiel Klaarwater "blender as a cad tool" 100 MB zip file of video http://download.blender.org/documentation/bc2010/MichielKlaarwater-CADtool.zip | 13:17 |
| MattyMatt | melting alu requires a bit of buying shit for me unfortunately | 13:17 |
| kanzure | MattyMatt: kk's latest book is out "What Technology Wants" | 13:17 |
| MattyMatt | I'm quite the expert at doing CAD in blender now :) | 13:18 |
| * MattyMatt downloads anyway | 13:18 | |
| MattyMatt | I think I'll end up getting my first lathe on ebay | 13:20 |
| MattyMatt | a bucket of good refractory costs as much as some old lathes | 13:21 |
| MattyMatt | I know you can use earth etc, if you have a backyard that isn't momma's | 13:22 |
| fenn | MattyMatt: the aluminum foundry was probably the cheapest most useful thing i've ever built | 13:26 |
| fenn | i used sand and clay for the first iteration, then switched to perlite + clay for the second one, but it wasn't much butter just weighed less | 13:27 |
| fenn | let me know if that blender video is worth watching | 13:28 |
| MattyMatt | I've seen a mini one made from 8 firebricks | 13:28 |
| MattyMatt | I'd need to chance on some propane kit in the local auction, or make an oil burner and run it on diesel | 13:30 |
| MattyMatt | I suppose charcoal would do for first try | 13:30 |
| kanzure | fenn: fwiw i haven't watched it yet, it was via Massimo Menichinelli <massimo.menichinelli@gmail.com> tho | 13:30 |
| MattyMatt | my favourite casting site. I've read the entire site at least twice http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/tools.html | 13:33 |
| kanzure | for some reason they blacklisted me from their forums. i never even posted | 13:33 |
| flamt | hi | 13:35 |
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| MattyMatt | I saw a DIY LN generator on Jeri Ellsworth's page. with that I could make aerogel and make a furnace out of that >:) | 13:36 |
| MattyMatt | it's a bit round the houses, but it'd rock | 13:36 |
| kanzure | ah jeri, the only girl who knows the difference between silicon and silicone >_< | 13:36 |
| MattyMatt | my first lathe might be a length of 40x80 extrusion for the bed | 13:40 |
| fenn | MattyMatt: i like buildyouridea.com | 13:41 |
| MattyMatt | or 2 or 3 pieces of 40x40, so I can lap them together to get them flat | 13:41 |
| fenn | http://buildyouridea.com/foundry/lost_foam_howto/lost_foam_howto.html | 13:41 |
| kanzure | fenn: you know MattyMatt from #cam right? | 13:42 |
| fenn | #reprap | 13:42 |
| kanzure | he and i met back in 2003 apparently | 13:43 |
| MattyMatt | is that when you first came to #allegro? | 13:43 |
| kanzure | MattyMatt: allegro.cc | 13:43 |
| MattyMatt | I've been there since 2000 :) and a.cc | 13:43 |
| fenn | do you know todd's friend MattyG? lives in austin, does some high tech lab work involving casting titanium alloys | 13:43 |
| MattyMatt | a.cc since 1999 even | 13:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: matt goodman? | 13:44 |
| MattyMatt | oh that's confusing. I was gonna change my irl name to goodhand gorman (my grandfather's names) | 13:45 |
| MattyMatt | damn I shouldn'a mentioned that in public until I had all the domains secured | 13:46 |
| fenn | kanzure, i think so, hard to tell from such a tiny picture http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=14160784&authType=name&authToken=7pJG&pvs=pp&pohelp=&trk=ndir_viewmore | 13:46 |
| fenn | heh "I currently work on voltage sensitive dye imaging in the macaque primary visual cortex, and hope to focus more on brain-machine interfaces." | 13:47 |
| kanzure | voltage sensitive dyes, woo | 13:48 |
| kanzure | "matt goodman" is a common name, i wonder if this is the same guy | 13:48 |
| kanzure | Matt Goodman <meawoppl@gmail.com>: [austin hackerspaces, "location:austin, texas", neurosky, eeg, emotiv epoc, openeeg] | 13:48 |
| MattyMatt | not as common as matt smith :p those domains were all gone by 1997 | 13:49 |
| fenn | http://www.craneium.net/images/phocagallery/ISS/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l__dsc0018.jpg | 13:49 |
| kanzure | so uh | 13:51 |
| kanzure | how should meetlog.txt deal with namespace conflicts | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i try to do email address differentiation but i don't always write down the email address | 13:52 |
| fenn | i wonder how often you get actual name conflicts vs just perceived conflicts (false alarms) | 13:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/davids.txt | 14:02 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/chrises.txt | 14:03 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/johns.txt | 14:04 |
| MattyMatt | doctor who should use a middle name :) I'm older than him | 14:07 |
| kanzure | gotta catch 'em all | 14:07 |
| kanzure | i should scrape facebook profile pics and then do a pokemon battle generator with these names | 14:08 |
| kanzure | MattyMatt: just to let you in on what i'm talking about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog.txt | 14:10 |
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| faceface | Assembling materials with DNA as the guide. | 14:44 |
| faceface | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18818351 | 14:44 |
| faceface | old news I guess | 14:44 |
| faceface | actually think kanzure pointed me at this back then | 14:45 |
| kanzure | paul rothemund does a lot of related stuff | 14:45 |
| faceface | that was a paper about thermal cycling for fidelity of assembly | 14:45 |
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| kanzure | Akif Tezcan is presenting on "Inorganic Control of Biological Self-Assembly" in austin on monday.. hrm. | 15:09 |
| kanzure | hi genehacker | 15:23 |
| kanzure | http://diybio.org.uk/planet | 15:31 |
| kanzure | streety: hi | 15:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: do you know Rebecca Neudeck <beckylouise@gmail.com> or what she has to do with factor e farm? | 15:38 |
| MattyMatt | is that like bonsai kittens? :) | 15:40 |
| MattyMatt | glass jars are inorganic | 15:42 |
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| fenn | rebecca neudeck, nope | 15:52 |
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| faceface | cheers | 16:50 |
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| ybit2 | best augmented reality software lib for linux? | 17:44 |
| ybit2 | artoolkit seems dead | 17:44 |
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| ybit2 | mixare for android | 17:46 |
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| ybit2 | flartoolkit, bam | 17:51 |
| ybit2 | or ezflar | 17:51 |
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| fenn | 'seems dead'? | 18:09 |
| fenn | problem with flar* is it's flash | 18:09 |
| fenn | hm ok 2007 latest release, i see your point | 18:11 |
| kanzure | http://blog.reprap.org/2010/11/gada-prize.html | 18:12 |
| ybit2 | fenn: yes that is a big fucking problem | 18:41 |
| fenn | in various "real life" demos using flar* it seemed like people often had problems getting flash to use their webcam, and it was often jerky and was really picky about having the whole marker in frame | 18:43 |
| fenn | so if one corner of the marker went out of frame the object would disappear | 18:43 |
| fenn | and you had to write in actionscript | 18:44 |
| fenn | so, yeah | 18:44 |
| ybit2 | i'm searching for an alternative to flash | 18:54 |
| ybit2 | flash-based ar | 18:54 |
| ybit2 | AR Toolkit | 18:55 |
| ybit2 | http://stewd.io/b/2009/06/12/augmented-reality-made-easy | 18:58 |
| ybit2 | from that, ARToolKit and JMyron are mentioned | 18:58 |
| ybit2 | jeebus, nothing is updated these days | 19:02 |
| ybit2 | only the mobile ar stuff it seems | 19:02 |
| fenn | yeah it's all crap i'm afraid | 19:07 |
| fenn | i've heard rumors of awesome things but they seem to only ever be shown at semi-secret demo events | 19:08 |
| * fenn digs around in some notes | 19:09 | |
| fenn | metaio? | 19:10 |
| fenn | hm lame, nm | 19:10 |
| kanzure | i hope firefox dies a slow and painful death http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=3007135#p3007135 | 19:12 |
| fenn | chrome's purported sandboxing of tabs isn't all it's cracked up to be either | 19:13 |
| fenn | if one tab is misbehaving, everything gets slowed down | 19:14 |
| fenn | and flash is usually what gets screwed up so anything with flash on it dies all at once | 19:14 |
| * fenn mutters something about finishing css support in dillo | 19:15 | |
| kanzure | i liked uzbl until i realized that nobody has enough balls to rewrite webkit | 19:22 |
| fenn | why would you rewrite webkit? it does its job | 19:25 |
| fenn | "here render this html" poof | 19:26 |
| kanzure | everything about html renderers seems big, bulky and completely unnecessary | 19:27 |
| kanzure | matt has xerox parc reviewing skdb for some erason | 19:32 |
| kanzure | *reason | 19:32 |
| kanzure | i told him to go meet dan heeks while he still has the chance :P | 19:32 |
| fenn | "xerox parc" == kurtoglu? | 19:35 |
| kanzure | and a few others there (apparently) | 19:38 |
| ybit2 | i liked the internet until i realize there were humans on the other end | 19:42 |
| ybit2 | oh, i didn't scroll down far enough to see where the conversation was. guess it seems out of place :) | 19:43 |
| kanzure | hating people is never out of place | 19:43 |
| kanzure | now go away | 19:43 |
| ybit2 | phew | 19:43 |
| ybit2 | sometimes i hate myself and people walk in on me wearing leather clad outfits with tortureware and then i just feel awkward | 19:45 |
| kanzure | thank you for sharing. | 19:45 |
| kanzure | fenn? your turn | 19:45 |
| ybit2 | this is what the internet is for, yes? | 19:45 |
| ybit2 | s/internet/irc | 19:45 |
| fenn | i live next door to stormy leather | 19:46 |
| ybit2 | ? :) | 19:46 |
| fenn | i'm sitting on a stuffed tardigrade | 19:47 |
| ybit2 | i'm wanting to do something with the projector at the office besides watching video | 19:47 |
| ybit2 | and drawing stuff with remotes | 19:47 |
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| ybit2 | i have a wireless webcam, might be able to count, i dunno how many times someone turns to look at the projected image or, a simpler scenario, counting how many times someone walks past something | 19:48 |
| ybit2 | lame | 19:49 |
| fenn | ybit do head tracking and adjust the 3d perspective according to where the person is standing | 19:50 |
| fenn | then render various creatures attacking but only when they're not looking directly at it | 19:50 |
| ybit2 | an AR stamp beside a meter makes sense if only you are too lazy to launch the browser on your phone to see the stats on a page without having to point your phone at it | 19:50 |
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| ybit2 | hehe | 19:51 |
| ybit2 | there was a nice looking gui built on openframeworks that i saw on vimeo... reminded me a bit of the star wars library interface | 19:52 |
| ybit2 | fenn, i like it | 19:52 |
| kanzure | http://openframeworks.cc/ ? | 19:52 |
| ybit2 | yeah | 19:52 |
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| kanzure | there's also libcinder | 19:52 |
| kanzure | http://libcinder.org/ | 19:53 |
| ybit2 | some simple concept like that, fenn, is what i'm aiming for this webcam can turn 360 degrees and look upward, but not down | 19:54 |
| ybit2 | i actually have three of these just lying around | 19:54 |
| fenn | uh. turn it upside down | 19:56 |
| fenn | mplayer -vf rotate | 19:56 |
| kanzure | why does fenn know so much random mplayer stuff | 19:56 |
| ybit2 | man pages ftw | 19:56 |
| kanzure | i don't think that's it | 19:56 |
| kanzure | you haven't seen him messing with mplayer | 19:57 |
| fenn | because my computer is too slow to play flash movies? | 19:57 |
| ybit2 | also... | 19:57 |
| fenn | also mplayer is fuckin awesome | 19:57 |
| ybit2 | we have about 10+Ghz of processing power not being used on a regular basis... | 19:57 |
| ybit2 | it is! | 19:57 |
| ybit2 | so much better than the clicky interface of vlan | 19:58 |
| ybit2 | videolan | 19:58 |
| fenn | my only beef is you can't transcode audio-only files (like .wav to .mp3 for example) | 19:58 |
| ybit2 | ..on windows.. because i have to use windows at work... because i'm stuck in visual studio :( | 19:58 |
| fenn | there's a version for windows no? | 19:59 |
| ybit2 | and everything microsoft based really, including sharepoint and dynamics :\ | 19:59 |
| ybit2 | of videolan? yeah.. | 19:59 |
| fenn | of mplayer | 19:59 |
| ybit2 | it's been around for awhile... was that sarcasm kind sir? | 19:59 |
| ybit2 | oh | 19:59 |
| ybit2 | smplayer | 19:59 |
| ybit2 | yeah.. i recommended it for the security team at k-mart once :) | 19:59 |
| ybit2 | it saved their asses :) | 19:59 |
| fenn | smplayer is some sort of gui? | 20:00 |
| ybit2 | yeah | 20:00 |
| ybit2 | they have cli of course | 20:00 |
| ybit2 | they == windows users | 20:00 |
| ybit2 | so who's coming to alabama to visit me? :) | 20:02 |
| fenn | ooh ooh not it | 20:02 |
| ybit2 | :) | 20:02 |
| ybit2 | https://makerslocal.org/wiki/index.php/HSIS | 20:02 |
| ybit2 | the huntsville hackerspace won the hsis competition, that's their wiki page for it | 20:02 |
| ybit2 | total cost: $149.10 | 20:03 |
| ybit2 | not including food and gas | 20:03 |
| kanzure | ybit2: what is "dynamics" ? | 20:03 |
| ybit2 | microsoft's attempt at business intelligence | 20:04 |
| kanzure | excel spreadsheets? | 20:04 |
| ybit2 | nah | 20:04 |
| ybit2 | similar to pentaho | 20:04 |
| ybit2 | or jaspersoft | 20:04 |
| ybit2 | both of those are coded in java btw | 20:04 |
| ybit2 | dynamics allows you to write add-ons in c#, of course | 20:05 |
| ybit2 | ooh ooh | 20:06 |
| ybit2 | i have an idea... | 20:06 |
| ybit2 | Draw! | 20:06 |
| ybit2 | two people walk 2 paces and then turn around and draw... first one frags the other | 20:06 |
| ybit2 | first to 5 or something | 20:07 |
| ybit2 | dumb ideas keep coming to me, can i borrow someone else's brain for a bit? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | ybit2: what have you been up to | 20:09 |
| ybit2 | hrm... | 20:09 |
| ybit2 | maybe.. rotate 3d objects on-screen with hand gestures similar to ps3/xbox stuff | 20:09 |
| ybit2 | kanzure: i've been broke, finally got a decent job, it kind of rocks | 20:10 |
| ybit2 | i've been given a bunch of goodies, $7k laptop, these webcams, and tools galore... a projector to play with and a 32in extra screen, and a free iphone, which is nice because i was going to get an android, but verizon was going to charge $80/month but now it's free with unlimited everything | 20:11 |
| ybit2 | now that i have money, i'm going to pay off $3k in debt and in the process build everything | 20:12 |
| ybit2 | i need a list of everything | 20:12 |
| ybit2 | i'm making my own personal hygiene products and kitcenware at first because it's all somewhat simple (minus the electronics) | 20:13 |
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| ybit2 | kitchen* | 20:13 |
| kanzure | you should fund fenn | 20:13 |
| ybit2 | i'd like a robotic arm to make moar coffee for me | 20:13 |
| kanzure | i have an arm | 20:13 |
| ybit2 | can it handle a coffee pot? | 20:13 |
| ybit2 | the one on thingiverse is weak | 20:14 |
| kanzure | it can handle anything less than 5 pounds :( | 20:14 |
| ybit2 | that's not terrible... | 20:14 |
| ybit2 | you could knock your mouse off the table and it might fetch it for you, but it would be so slow, you'd probably get irritated and just pick it up yourself :) | 20:15 |
| kanzure | speed is fine | 20:15 |
| ybit2 | recognizing objects and grasping them takes no time? | 20:15 |
| ybit2 | i want pics! | 20:16 |
| kanzure | hmm where are the pics. there's one on facebook | 20:16 |
| kanzure | i think the image was on designfiles.org so good luck with that | 20:16 |
| ybit2 | i have a dell m6500 if anyone is wondering what lappy i was referring to earlier | 20:16 |
| ybit2 | though i'm using my aspire 1410 with ubuntu 10.10 right now | 20:17 |
| ybit2 | it's a shame canonical doesn't package kde very well | 20:17 |
| ybit2 | wait, i think it's a communit effort, i don't think they have anything to do with that | 20:17 |
| ybit2 | and now i'm just talking to myself | 20:18 |
| ybit2 | so much stuff to build, i want all of you guys to come live beside me | 20:18 |
| ybit2 | kanzure: y tu, what have you been doing? | 20:19 |
| ybit2 | from what i gather fenn has been socializing a lot and play tag with nerf guns | 20:19 |
| fenn | i'm afraid to ask about the personal hygiene products | 20:19 |
| ybit2 | sunscreen! | 20:20 |
| kanzure | hum what have i been up to? | 20:20 |
| ybit2 | yar | 20:20 |
| ybit2 | shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, toothbrush | 20:20 |
| ybit2 | soap | 20:20 |
| ybit2 | hair gel | 20:20 |
| fenn | i've mostly been cleaning this place up and building my room | 20:20 |
| fenn | what goes into hair gel? | 20:21 |
| ybit2 | i haven't a clue | 20:21 |
| ybit2 | first up is sunscreen | 20:21 |
| kanzure | ybit2: lolcad, gada prize, top secret website, solidworks plugin, DARPA bullshit, "director of r&d, humanity+", other stuff i'm forgetting | 20:21 |
| fenn | how do you test sunscreen? :P | 20:22 |
| ybit2 | i burn | 20:22 |
| ybit2 | top secret website, i have a few of those | 20:22 |
| fenn | http://xkcd.com/700/ | 20:22 |
| ybit2 | top secret because they will never see the light of day | 20:22 |
| kanzure | "this time it will be different" | 20:23 |
| ybit2 | nice one fenn :) | 20:23 |
| ybit2 | kanzure: yeah :) | 20:24 |
| kanzure | random iphone app | 20:24 |
| ybit2 | i ate a burrito the size of a fetus the other dady | 20:32 |
| ybit2 | day* | 20:32 |
| ybit2 | </tweet> | 20:32 |
| ybit2 | yeah, now i'm just babbling... will someone move here since most of my hackerspace buddies moved away | 20:33 |
| ybit2 | i've got a tree you can sleep under | 20:33 |
| ybit2 | eco-living, yes, that's the word | 20:33 |
| ybit2 | fenn: didn't you want to live with some girl in a cave? this is perfect for you | 20:34 |
| kanzure | some girl in a cave? | 20:35 |
| kanzure | faye kane? | 20:35 |
| ybit2 | sounds right... hard to tell without seeing images on the blog of her partially nude | 20:36 |
| kanzure | 19:07 < fenn> hawt | 20:38 |
| kanzure | 19:08 < fenn> <- has an autistic-hole-in-the-woods fetish | 20:38 |
| kanzure | 19:09 < fenn> omg i didnt realize it was a porn site | 20:38 |
| kanzure | 19:09 < fenn> ... or ... something | 20:38 |
| kanzure | ^from http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-03-01.log | 20:38 |
| ybit2 | hrm... yeah.. lots of stuff has happened since the last time i was active.. not really feeling like going through it all | 20:44 |
| ybit2 | i'm going scuba diving for my bday this year, who wants to come? | 20:45 |
| ybit2 | this coming year | 20:45 |
| kanzure | when? | 20:45 |
| ybit2 | and india in 2011, you just need $2k | 20:45 |
| ybit2 | scuba diving in august | 20:45 |
| kanzure | i'd prefer china | 20:46 |
| ybit2 | indian in december | 20:46 |
| ybit2 | i have more friends in india | 20:46 |
| kanzure | all the more reason to go to china | 20:46 |
| ybit2 | the chinese dating scene is better :) | 20:47 |
| kanzure | no it's not. they kill all their women | 20:47 |
| ybit2 | lol | 20:47 |
| ybit2 | oh right, the babies | 20:47 |
| ybit2 | i find it's nearly impossible to date an indian girl | 20:48 |
| ybit2 | with arranged marriages being a norm | 20:48 |
| fenn | just move to san jose | 20:50 |
| fenn | *ahem* | 20:50 |
| ybit2 | that's a hint kanzure | 20:51 |
| fenn | actually it's called "man jose" because there aren't any women | 20:52 |
| ybit2 | i was keeping a log of everything i was doing up until i started working :) | 20:52 |
| ybit2 | what time i was sleeping and waking up, etc. | 20:52 |
| kanzure | fenn: there's a popular blog on why there's no girls in that area | 20:52 |
| klafka | are there still a lot of arranged marriages in india? | 20:52 |
| klafka | kanzure why's that? | 20:52 |
| kanzure | http://whytherearenogirls.blogspot.com/ | 20:52 |
| klafka | LOL | 20:52 |
| kanzure | like http://whytherearenogirls.blogspot.com/2010/04/36-lisa-from-35-comments.html | 20:53 |
| klafka | i like his reference to it's always sunny | 20:54 |
| fenn | was that blog written by a non-native english speaker? /me fails at reading | 20:54 |
| kanzure | i think it's an "essayist" | 20:54 |
| kanzure | you know, someone who graduates from high school thinking anyone cares about essay-style writing | 20:54 |
| QuantumG | I failed English in high school.. that's why my blog is as readable as it is :P | 20:55 |
| fenn | i'd like to see some quantitative data | 20:56 |
| ybit2 | 21:36 < fenn> just move to san jose | 20:56 |
| ybit2 | 21:36 < fenn> *ahem* | 20:56 |
| ybit2 | 21:37 < ybit2> that's a hint kanzure | 20:56 |
| ybit2 | 21:37 < fenn> actually it's called "man jose" because there aren't any women | 20:56 |
| fenn | and no, polls don't count | 20:56 |
| ybit2 | i think it's still a hint for you kanzure ;) | 20:56 |
| fenn | there aren't any gay neighborhoods in san jose | 20:57 |
| fenn | at least not that i know of | 20:57 |
| fenn | i have however, on multiple occasions, seen barefoot indian housewives wandering around the sidewalks daydreaming | 20:58 |
| klafka | i think this is weird kanzure | 20:58 |
| klafka | i've known LOTS of females in SF | 20:58 |
| klafka | and i don't even live there | 20:58 |
| klafka | well bay area | 20:59 |
| fenn | SF, oakland, berkeley are full of hotties. i only mentioned san jose because of the indian housewife thing | 20:59 |
| klafka | aah | 20:59 |
| * fenn snickers http://maps.google.com/maps/place?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=san+jose+housewife&fb=1&gl=us&hq=housewife&hnear=San+Jose,+CA&cid=3770030527867774342 | 21:00 | |
| fenn | oh damn that's SF still | 21:01 |
| ybit2 | i want an open source fembot | 21:02 |
| fenn | sorry, you only get open source 10 year old boybot | 21:03 |
| ybit2 | lol | 21:03 |
| fenn | will have to perform robotic reassignment surgery | 21:03 |
| klafka | kanzure reading this just enrages me | 21:04 |
| ybit2 | well, i think kanzure's robotic arm handles anything less than 5lbs, so we might have the tools to do just that | 21:04 |
| ybit2 | so what's the deal with wta and h+ not joining? | 21:05 |
| ybit2 | someone should ask that question on one the lists | 21:05 |
| ybit2 | on one of* | 21:05 |
| fenn | "Eventually they worked it out: if they controlled for adolescent height, then the effect of adult height on wages for men was essentially eliminated. It all depended on how tall the guy was in high school." | 21:07 |
| fenn | did you ever get that arm going? | 21:07 |
| fenn | s/you/somebody/ | 21:08 |
| ybit2 | oh that's right, the arm! i remember seeing pictures of it | 21:08 |
| ybit2 | umkay, think i'm going to walk around or something. | 21:11 |
| ybit2 | but before i do that... | 21:11 |
| ybit2 | meh, nevermind, i enjoyed the babble and random spurts of commentary from others :) | 21:13 |
| fenn | ybit what do you want to make besides hair gel and sunscreen? | 21:14 |
| fenn | i mean, a fembot is sort of ambitious for a first project | 21:14 |
| fenn | o right, a coffee robot | 21:15 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: http://moonandback.com/2010/11/05/93/ | 21:15 |
| fenn | great, 'hard capitalism' now all we need is a market | 21:20 |
| fenn | "Ben Lipkowitz - born and raised on a farm in rural Idaho, Ben developed a love for doing everything himself. While his parents were unable to afford a tracktor, Ben secluded himself in an overlooked barn and manufactured a tractor by forging every peice from aluminum cans. He's been wondering the world since, helping out those who cannot afford tractors. | 21:25 |
| fenn | something like that | 21:26 |
| kanzure | ybit2: what do you mean wta and h+ not joining? | 21:26 |
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| augur | anyone know if the arduino can be used as a controller for some robotics? | 21:41 |
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| kanzure | http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2010/11/6/the-gada-prize.html | 22:03 |
| kanzure | hm i've forgot to read http://reprap.org/wiki/Talk:Gada_Prize | 22:04 |
| kanzure | fenn: cool, they were the same matt goodman | 22:30 |
| augur | anyone read this | 22:31 |
| augur | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/1441251/Scientists-Overclock-Peoples-Brains?from=rss | 22:31 |
| kanzure | it's just more tcdcs stuff | 22:31 |
| kanzure | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/direct-current-stimulation-more-than.html | 22:31 |
| kanzure | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655647/ | 22:31 |
| kanzure | Temporal Lobe Cortical Electrical Stimulation during the Encoding and Retrieval Phase Reduces False Memories http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655647/pdf/pone.0004959.pdf | 22:31 |
| augur | kanzure: jesus what | 22:32 |
| augur | are you a linkbot | 22:32 |
| augur | wtf | 22:32 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:32 |
| augur | beep boop | 22:32 |
| kanzure | bop | 22:32 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mac.html | 22:32 |
| augur | bebop adoowop | 22:33 |
| augur | like that'll prove anything | 22:33 |
| augur | IVE SEEN BSG | 22:33 |
| augur | I KNOW WHAT YOU LOT ARE LIKE | 22:33 |
| augur | plx dont nuke me :( | 22:33 |
| kanzure | be careful or you'll end up in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog.txt | 22:36 |
| kanzure | under the "people" section | 22:36 |
| augur | IVE GOT MY CYLON DETECTOR READY | 22:36 |
| augur | whats this meetlog now | 22:37 |
| kanzure | a log of every interaction i have with people | 22:38 |
| augur | interesting | 22:38 |
| augur | it doesnt have timestamps. | 22:38 |
| kanzure | yeah the resolution is not much. i dunno what to do. | 22:38 |
| augur | how are you logging this stuff? manually? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | the stuff at the bottom (i.e. today) is more interesting | 22:38 |
| kanzure | manually. used to be better when i had a gmail/pidgin plugin working | 22:39 |
| augur | thats painful | 22:39 |
| augur | you should work on some sort of automatic logging, at least for IRC | 22:39 |
| kanzure | whatever you do don't mention a new tag | 22:39 |
| augur | a new tag huh | 22:40 |
| augur | i wouldnt know where to start! | 22:40 |
| kanzure | you missed the joke | 22:40 |
| augur | i did! | 22:40 |
| augur | proper AR is going to be such a boon | 22:40 |
| kanzure | 19:59 < jrayhawk> kanzure are you ever resentful of someone saying something flippant on IRC because it means you then have to go fill out their name | 22:41 |
| kanzure | 20:04 < jrayhawk> especially a stupid largely rhetorical question | 22:41 |
| kanzure | 20:03 < kanzure> fuck you | 22:41 |
| augur | :D | 22:41 |
| kanzure | i also have graphs/charts/analysis on top of this data | 22:42 |
| kanzure | timestamp granularity leaves much to be desired | 22:42 |
| kanzure | and on top of that, tagging isn't necessarily the best way to figure out what i've told someone | 22:42 |
| QuantumG | wtf does 'net' mean vs 'people'? | 22:42 |
| augur | ive uploaded 2 books to gigapedia now :D | 22:42 |
| kanzure | i should probably be using longer tags "topic-gada-prize-at-humanityplus" | 22:43 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: "people" means "in person" | 22:43 |
| QuantumG | ahh | 22:43 |
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| kanzure | i am also not sure when i am going to realize how stupid i am for sharing this file so widely | 22:44 |
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| QuantumG | seems pretty harmless to me | 22:46 |
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| kanzure | really? what about the batman effect | 22:47 |
| QuantumG | will have to meet you in-person some day | 22:47 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 22:47 |
| QuantumG | the batman effect? is that where you say "I'm batman" in a silly voice and everyone laughs? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: the batman effect is where people can't kill you so they kill everyone you know or care about | 22:47 |
| QuantumG | pft, as if killing you is hard | 22:48 |
| kanzure | well i'm not dead yet | 22:48 |
| QuantumG | that's cause you befriend crazy people rather than pissing them off | 22:48 |
| JayDugger | What evidence can you offer for your claim of life? | 22:48 |
| kanzure | little to none | 22:49 |
| kanzure | good night | 22:49 |
| JayDugger | Fair enough. | 22:49 |
| kanzure | http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/humanity-caltech-dec-4-5-2010-redefining-future-humanity | 22:50 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: http://humanityplus.org/2010/11/gada-prize-in-personal-manufacturing-at-humanityplus/ | 22:50 |
| JayDugger | QuantumG, have you tracked down any of the papers from the SSI conference? | 22:51 |
| QuantumG | nope.. and I expect all the harassing I did in regards to getting videos of the event may result in nothing | 22:51 |
| JayDugger | That stinks. | 22:52 |
| JayDugger | The blog "Broader Perspective" had a write-up, but few links. | 22:52 |
| kanzure | i should have gone :( | 22:52 |
| JayDugger | I haven't gotten through those on "Next Big Future." | 22:52 |
| QuantumG | "Space.com will be media partner for the SSI conference." and "We'd like to make these widely available, so they will also be uploaded to the web, uncut, by SSI . You can safely expect to see all the sessions very soon on the internet near you." was the final word | 22:53 |
| JayDugger | The check is in the mail? Really: | 22:53 |
| JayDugger | s/:/?/ | 22:53 |
| QuantumG | the person I was talking to even went to the effort to contact the volunteer I had arranged to film the event and tell them that their services won't be required. | 22:53 |
| JayDugger | That strikes me as unfriendly on their part. | 22:54 |
| JayDugger | Supposedly Apogee will publish the proceedings next year. | 22:54 |
| QuantumG | "I think this is a nice way of saying fuck off... and it seemed to come | 22:54 |
| QuantumG | out of nowhere. She was friendly yesterday." is what I said at the time. | 22:54 |
| QuantumG | (which was Oct 20 btw) | 22:54 |
| JayDugger | :( | 22:54 |
| QuantumG | but hey, they might just be *slow* | 22:54 |
| JayDugger | Good point. I prefer to think the best of others, despite my ingrained cyncism. | 22:55 |
| JayDugger | Huh. "apogee.com" doesn't lead to the bookstore, but to a vendor for custom JREs, whose customers include Raytheon, maker of a ruggedized Android-based smartphone/PDA targeted at the military market. | 22:56 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. any links to those ruggedized Android-based smartphones? | 23:01 |
| JayDugger | I have none. Just rumors and "coming soon" ads. | 23:02 |
| JayDugger | Would you guess I read Aviation Week? :) | 23:02 |
| QuantumG | heh | 23:02 |
| JayDugger | No mention of proceedings on apogeespacebooks.com. | 23:03 |
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| JayDugger | Raytheon Advanced Tactical System: http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/rats/ | 23:05 |
| JayDugger | http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE66K1NE20100721 | 23:05 |
| JayDugger | http://www.mobiledia.com/news/72129.html | 23:05 |
| JayDugger | http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4588104&c=FEA&s=TEC | 23:06 |
| QuantumG | cool | 23:06 |
| JayDugger | Cool, yes. Useful? Valuable? | 23:06 |
| fenn | now with social networking capabilities, so you can find your friends and kill them | 23:06 |
| JayDugger | Three different adjectives with three sets of overlapping criteria. | 23:06 |
| QuantumG | my company scans windows mobile apps for security flaws.. and we're working on iPhone apps.. no idea about Android, so I just sent a "do we do this?" question to em. | 23:07 |
| QuantumG | so yeah, thanks. | 23:07 |
| JayDugger | Mostly right, yes. I think the verb the vendor uses is "save," not "kill." | 23:07 |
| fenn | does it come with an AR app for minefields? | 23:07 |
| JayDugger | Not yet, but I think the military would buy that in a red-hot minute. | 23:07 |
| JayDugger | Most of the mobile apps I saw were, well..."crude" is a little kind. | 23:08 |
| fenn | yeah but the developer would have to wade through a year of bullshit and runaround before they could write a single line of code | 23:08 |
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| JayDugger | Yeah, and then field-test with opposition forces trying to use the devices for targeting and intelligence. | 23:09 |
| JayDugger | That means electronic warfare and information warfare, all of which turns into classified material. | 23:10 |
| JayDugger | A whole different range of suck. | 23:10 |
| JayDugger | Oh, and ITAR too. | 23:10 |
| JayDugger | A second whole different range of suck. | 23:10 |
| JayDugger | Two of the reasons I don't miss my previous employer's military contracts. | 23:10 |
| JayDugger | The money was good, though. | 23:11 |
| JayDugger | Three years ago I looked for work. I'd had enough, had money, and took a year or so off while I lived off savings. | 23:11 |
| JayDugger | One lead was for a job maintaining radar sets on a USAF test range. | 23:12 |
| JayDugger | Characterizing weapons performance in real-world conditions and with live-fire tests. | 23:12 |
| JayDugger | The interview did not go well. "Let me understand you sir. I have to get a Top Secret clearance, with a Single Scope Background Investigation before you can tell which state I'll work in?" | 23:13 |
| JayDugger | "And once done, I'll go camping without running water for weeks on-end?" | 23:14 |
| JayDugger | "And you'll pay 40% less than my previous employer?" | 23:14 |
| JayDugger | "I am so sorry. I seem to have forgotten everything I ever knew about radar." | 23:14 |
| JayDugger | "Good luck filling the position sir." | 23:14 |
| fenn | maybe the electronics reacts differently to body odor | 23:15 |
| JayDugger | Nah...they just wanted people who'd lived sheltered lives, without opportunity to get in trouble--eligible for a clearance, and too ignorant to know they were shamelessly underpaid. | 23:16 |
| fenn | what sort of people are not eligible for top secret clearance? | 23:16 |
| JayDugger | Oh, if you have good credit and clean criminal record you shouldn't have too much trouble getting a SECRET clearance. | 23:17 |
| JayDugger | I have not held a TOP SECRET, so I can only tell you anecdotes from people I know who held them and from the application form I saw in 1995. | 23:19 |
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| JayDugger | Then you had to give a record of every place you'd lived in the last ten years. | 23:19 |
| fenn | i dont really see what your credit score has to do with whether you're a spy | 23:19 |
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| JayDugger | MICE: Money, Ideology, Compromise, Ego. | 23:19 |
| JayDugger | If you have a lot of debt, you're vulnerable to bribes. | 23:20 |
| fenn | uhm. that's fucking retarded | 23:20 |
| JayDugger | If you've a lot of income that's hard to explain, you might be selling secrets. | 23:20 |
| JayDugger | Not retarded, just counter-intuitive. | 23:20 |
| JayDugger | Hang on, let me find an example. | 23:21 |
| JayDugger | Oh, and polygraph checks... | 23:21 |
| JayDugger | I'd forgotten that crap. | 23:21 |
| fenn | do they still ask if you're a communist? | 23:21 |
| JayDugger | I don't think so. | 23:22 |
| JayDugger | I've never been asked. | 23:22 |
| JayDugger | OTOH, I never made much secret of my political views at work. I just avoided discussing them. | 23:22 |
| JayDugger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames | 23:22 |
| JayDugger | "The CIA finally decided to focus on Ames after it was realized that on a $60,000 salary, Ames was able to afford:" | 23:23 |
| JayDugger | A $540,000 house in Arlington, Virginia, paid for in cash;[24] | 23:23 |
| JayDugger | Home remodeling and redecoration costs of $99,000;[24] | 23:23 |
| JayDugger | Premium credit cards whose minimum monthly payment exceeded his monthly salary.[26] | 23:24 |
| fenn | it doesn't take an intelligence agency to figure that out | 23:24 |
| JayDugger | So a credit check also sets a baseline against which future financial transactions get measured. | 23:24 |
| JayDugger | It shouldn't, no. :) | 23:24 |
| JayDugger | But it did. | 23:24 |
| JayDugger | Thus the joke, "Intelligence Agency is an oxymoron." | 23:25 |
| JayDugger | Here you go, fenn. "...clearance may be denied (for having a large amount of debt, for having admitted to seeing a doctor for a mental health condition, or for having admitted to other items of security concern (such as a criminal record or a history of drug use.)" | 23:28 |
| JayDugger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance | 23:28 |
| fenn | huh | 23:28 |
| JayDugger | The article is pretty badly organized, but the links are pretty good. | 23:29 |
| JayDugger | Browsing openings at Clearancejobs.com will give you a good impression of what sort of employers require security clearances for what sort of work. | 23:29 |
| JayDugger | Assuming my babbling hasn't drowned your curiosity. :) | 23:30 |
| JayDugger | unset lecture-mode. | 23:30 |
| fenn | all the "engineer" stuff is "software engineer" | 23:33 |
| JayDugger | At clearancejobs? That doesn't surprise me. | 23:36 |
| JayDugger | How much demand exists for EEs, MEs, etc. these days? | 23:37 |
| fenn | i thought the americans still actually made stuff for their military | 23:37 |
| JayDugger | That would probably be proportional to the number of major defense programs _starting_. | 23:37 |
| JayDugger | Not many now, and those mostly UAVs. | 23:38 |
| fenn | well fuck, even iranian teenagers are building UAV's | 23:38 |
| JayDugger | Right. A low requirement for skill levels means a relatively large supply of candidates. | 23:38 |
| JayDugger | Why advertise for something like that? | 23:39 |
| JayDugger | If you want to work on aircraft, say, you have few options, and not much demand beyond what in-house engineering can supply. | 23:40 |
| JayDugger | Saudi Arabia bought a batch of aircraft, and so did Israel, but the primary contractors have extant engineers who need work. | 23:40 |
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| JayDugger | http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/11/04/the-open-kinect-project-the-ok-prize-get-1000-bounty-for-kinect-for-xbox-360-open-source-drivers/ | 23:53 |
| JayDugger | I made a public fool of myself playing with local Fry's demo Kinect today. | 23:53 |
| JayDugger | It was pretty neat, but not enough to buy. | 23:53 |
| JayDugger | It has a bit of lag between body motion and avatar response, but not much. | 23:55 |
| JayDugger | A large video display makes the effect more evocative. | 23:56 |
| JayDugger | The closer your avatar's size to your body's size, the better I expect. | 23:57 |
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