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| dbolser | anyone know where genotypeing vs. disease datasets may be archived? | 01:21 |
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| Utopiah | study on neurofeedback http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.neuroimage.2010.12.016 (rt-fMRI) | 01:44 |
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| kanzure | heh got a "how do i build muscle?" email from msimons@slackware.com to transhumanism.org | 04:39 |
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| kanzure | via splicer: "FYI, the US presidential bioethics commission just released its report on synthetic biology" | 04:52 |
| kanzure | http://bioethics.gov/documents/synthetic-biology/PCSBI-Synthetic-Biology-Report-12-16-10.pdf | 04:52 |
| kanzure | http://bioethics.gov/documents/synthetic-biology/PCSBI-Synthetic-Biology-Report-Press-Release-12.16.10.pdf | 04:52 |
| kanzure | http://bioethics.gov/documents/synthetic-biology/PCSBI-Synthetic-Biology-FAQ.pdf | 04:52 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:02 |
| kanzure | hi | 06:02 |
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| kanzure | hi dyngnosis | 07:02 |
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| kanzure | "synthetic biology does not need regulation now, panel says" http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/science/16synthetic.html | 07:44 |
| kanzure | haha what? "In a letter to the commission and federal agencies -- signed by 58 organizations in 22 countries -- a coalition led by Friends of the Earth today renewed its call for a moratorium on synthetic biology experiments. "The Commission's recommendations fall short of what is necessary to protect the environment, workers' health, public health, and the public's right to know," the coalition said. "The time for precaution and the | 07:46 |
| kanzure | http://foe.org/groups-criticize-presidential-commissions-recommendations-synthetic-biology | 07:46 |
| kanzure | i like how foe.org is "friends of earth".. you dirty foes | 07:46 |
| kanzure | aw also etcgroup.org? they even talked at the commission.. | 07:47 |
| Utopiah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe | 07:47 |
| kanzure | http://www.foe.org/sites/default/files/Letter_to_Commission_Synthetic_Biology.pdf | 07:48 |
| kanzure | lol the letter carbon copies Steve Chu and several other names | 07:49 |
| kanzure | "the precautionary principle should guide synthetic biology regulation" haha | 07:50 |
| kanzure | is this a joke | 07:50 |
| klafka | people have such a frankenstein comple | 07:53 |
| klafka | x | 07:53 |
| uniqanomaly_ | rather are retarded | 07:55 |
| kanzure | max more needs to rise from the grave and whack them over the head with the proactionary principle cluestick | 07:56 |
| kanzure | it's not entirely without unprecedent | 07:56 |
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| kanzure | *unprecedence | 07:56 |
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| kanzure | ah here it is in nature news http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101216/full/news.2010.680.html | 08:07 |
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| JayDugger | Max More as King Arthur, returning from Austin (Avalon) in the realm's time of greatest need? | 08:09 |
| uniqanomaly_ | '58 environmental, public interest, and >>>religious<<< groups' expressing any opinions unrelated to faith by relegious groups should be plain illegal ;> | 08:15 |
| uniqanomaly_ | oh sorry, freedom of speech | 08:16 |
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| kanzure | synthetic biology needs over-sight not over-regulation http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101216/full/news.2010.680.html | 08:55 |
| kanzure | also more copies of that are on ny times, kurzweilai, wsj, sciam, etc: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F | 08:56 |
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| kanzure | hi genehacker | 09:10 |
| kanzure | i have no idea what lee is up to here.. http://nanoengineers.blogspot.com/ lots of spam? | 09:14 |
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| kanzure | pg 136 of the report cites max more :) | 09:32 |
| kanzure | well, it quotes text from max more, but cites something else entirely | 09:32 |
| kanzure | it cites http://www.synbioproject.org/process/assets/files/6334/synbio3.pdf | 09:33 |
| kanzure | synbio3.pdf cites max more.. but doesn't say "proactionary" directly, so i dunno how they found that quote in there | 09:33 |
| genehacker | what's this metal spray thing all about? | 09:34 |
| kanzure | genehacker: http://www.metalspraysupplies.com/about/what-is-metal-spraying.htm | 09:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.metalspraysupplies.com/applications.htm | 09:34 |
| genehacker | other than the guy spraying metal on his hand | 09:34 |
| kanzure | QuantumG wants to metal spray on top of 3d printed parts for thin-walled metal components | 09:34 |
| genehacker | that's cool | 09:35 |
| genehacker | just what I thought | 09:35 |
| genehacker | has he talked to #reprap about it | 09:36 |
| genehacker | or heck just make circuits with it | 09:37 |
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| genehacker | what sort of thin walled components? | 09:45 |
| genehacker | rocket nozzles? | 09:46 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: are you around | 09:49 |
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| kanzure | "I will be able to offer you a copy of "The Future of Aging" for $180 plus the actual cost of shipping to you. That's $43 less than Amazon's 20% discount, which is the best price out there now ($223). Do you want a copy at this price?" | 12:04 |
| kanzure | greg fahy's offer isn't too cheap :/ | 12:04 |
| uniqanomaly__ | viva la scarcity | 12:10 |
| klafka1 | jesus | 12:11 |
| uniqanomaly__ | i mean in pre-singularity terms | 12:13 |
| * Utopiah still doesnt believe in post-scarcity | 12:14 | |
| kanzure | i think it should be renamed to post-currencies/post-moneyism | 12:15 |
| kanzure | or "money optionalism" | 12:15 |
| kanzure | "post-currency" just sounds weird :) | 12:15 |
| uniqanomaly__ | Utopiah: you don't believe in artificial intelligence beneficent for all? | 12:23 |
| kanzure | Learning from hackerspaces, Opening up the maker community at November's DIY: Citizenship symposium in Toronto. Greg Smith reports. http://www.currentintelligence.net/columns/2010/12/14/learning-from-hackerspaces.html | 12:24 |
| Utopiah | uniqanomaly__: I believe that above "artificial intelligence beneficent for all" there is energy allocation and that post-scarcity means more energy that can be spend which seems impossible in a competitive environment | 12:26 |
| uniqanomaly__ | yeah | 12:28 |
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| kanzure | hmm http://www.moreofit.com/similar-to/heybryan.org/Top_10_Sites_Like_Heybryan/ | 12:42 |
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| kanzure | hi Tyrant91101 | 13:37 |
| Tyrant91101 | hey bryan | 13:37 |
| kanzure | quite the username.. | 13:38 |
| Tyrant91101 | heh how so? | 13:38 |
| kanzure | so what brings you here? | 13:39 |
| Tyrant91101 | im the one you gave the hplus ticket | 13:39 |
| Tyrant91101 | from Socal diybio | 13:39 |
| Tyrant91101 | i just saw this channel on your site | 13:39 |
| kanzure | alex? | 13:39 |
| Tyrant91101 | added it to my auto irc thingy | 13:39 |
| Tyrant91101 | yeah | 13:39 |
| kanzure | hi alex | 13:39 |
| kanzure | sorry i haven't replied to your email yet | 13:40 |
| kanzure | but i did hear about your business model from the grapevine | 13:40 |
| kanzure | "open source except for one vital component" | 13:40 |
| Tyrant91101 | heh no problem, I haven't checked it yet | 13:40 |
| Tyrant91101 | Ok that's troubling | 13:40 |
| Tyrant91101 | lol | 13:40 |
| Tyrant91101 | well troubling and good at hte same time | 13:40 |
| Tyrant91101 | but my business model is far more detailed than that at this point | 13:41 |
| kanzure | what i didn't hear was why you think it's a good idea | 13:41 |
| kanzure | okay yeah | 13:41 |
| kanzure | it's not a good idea | 13:41 |
| kanzure | although i didn't really hear anything except something about mass spec | 13:41 |
| kanzure | is that what this is? | 13:41 |
| Tyrant91101 | yes | 13:41 |
| Tyrant91101 | why dont you think its a good idea? | 13:42 |
| kanzure | because if you're going to be proprietary/closed source, go all the way.. | 13:42 |
| Tyrant91101 | That won't work | 13:42 |
| Tyrant91101 | It's much easier to get into the market pattenting something like a magnetic bearing or an electrode design | 13:43 |
| kanzure | why do you need a patent again? | 13:43 |
| Tyrant91101 | by going closed source on the mass spec I will have to directly compete with the bigger companies | 13:43 |
| Tyrant91101 | to make it financially viable | 13:43 |
| kanzure | but if you're "open but actually close" then you're just pissing off your users, no? | 13:43 |
| Tyrant91101 | not necessarily | 13:44 |
| Tyrant91101 | say Ibuild a turbomolecular pump (my first step) | 13:44 |
| Tyrant91101 | I can make the magnetic bearings patented | 13:44 |
| Tyrant91101 | while making the entire design for the turbomolecular pump totally open | 13:44 |
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| Tyrant91101 | all the software, everything | 13:44 |
| Tyrant91101 | EXCEPT for that one bearing | 13:44 |
| kanzure | well; there are some options that you should be aware of like the open patent license, and other things like that | 13:44 |
| kanzure | but i don't really see how a patent means you will have financial success | 13:45 |
| Tyrant91101 | It's more likely to help | 13:45 |
| genehacker | hey speaking of turbomolecular pump magnetic bearing motors, what could I do with one instead of making a turbomolecular pump? | 13:45 |
| Tyrant91101 | i'm not makign the motor, just the bearings | 13:45 |
| kanzure | Tyrant91101: http://sciencecommons.org/projects/patent-licenses/ | 13:45 |
| Tyrant91101 | but they're used almost anywhere you need very high speeds and high loads | 13:46 |
| Tyrant91101 | kanzure, I'll take a look, thank you | 13:46 |
| genehacker | well I have the motor, the bearings, and a broken turbine | 13:46 |
| Tyrant91101 | The bearings usually have to be tested and callibrated for each specific application | 13:46 |
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| Tyrant91101 | back | 14:30 |
| Utopiah | Emerging Technologies and Factory Automation http://www.etfa-2011.org/ | 14:31 |
| Tyrant91101 | kanzure, what are other alternatives do you think there are to flat out patenting small portions of the project such as the bearings? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | Tyrant91101: selling hardware | 14:48 |
| kanzure | also the services/consulting model | 14:48 |
| Tyrant91101 | selling hardware is already part of the plan | 14:49 |
| Tyrant91101 | as for services/consulting, one of the biggest targets is those areas who cant afford consulting fees on top of the actual aparatus | 14:50 |
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| delinquentme | hey kanzure you around man? | 15:42 |
| kanzure | no | 15:42 |
| delinquentme | haha awesome! | 15:52 |
| delinquentme | SO your thoughts... on bringing up the want to extend human life when im talking to researchers | 15:53 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: what? | 15:59 |
| kanzure | i have no idea what you just said | 15:59 |
| delinquentme | im looking for your thoughts on the advantages / disadvantages of mentioning that im interested in human life extension | 16:00 |
| delinquentme | as an outcome of this research | 16:00 |
| delinquentme | project | 16:00 |
| kanzure | maybe briefly mention it and cite some paper on life extension by aubrey or one of the biogerontologists | 16:01 |
| delinquentme | so you dont think it would "ruin my street cred" to say HEY im nuts enough to want something thats a bit further out than you guys | 16:02 |
| kanzure | if you properly cite it, you're good | 16:08 |
| delinquentme | interesting.. | 16:08 |
| delinquentme | thanks! | 16:08 |
| delinquentme | im headed back to my hosue .. see u kids in a bit! | 16:08 |
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| kanzure | DIY Biotech Hacker Space Opens in NYC http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/12/genspace-diy-science-laboratory/ | 16:18 |
| kanzure | http://genspace.org/ | 16:18 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:02 |
| kanzure | hi | 17:02 |
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| kanzure | updated: http://bit.ly/diybionews | 17:28 |
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| kanzure | what's with google's reading level thing | 18:19 |
| kanzure | arxiv.org Advanced 99% | 18:19 |
| fenn | it's over 9000! | 18:22 |
| kanzure | enn! | 18:22 |
| kanzure | fenn! even | 18:22 |
| fenn | hi. i've been boring and doing worky stuff too much | 18:23 |
| kanzure | do you need a dose of reality | 18:23 |
| kanzure | are you now on gmail or what | 18:25 |
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| fenn | gmail is in my return address because sdf doesn't let me send via imap | 18:35 |
| fenn | i need some chunks of metal | 18:36 |
| fenn | spent hours looking around online for scrapyards near/in SF | 18:36 |
| genehacker | chunks of metal for gingery stuff? | 18:38 |
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| fenn | i still don't really get how techshop manages to completely fail... even noisebridge seems to be doing fine and they don't even have any sort of way to make money or even really any technical prowess with which to lure in nerds | 18:52 |
| * fenn is reading http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=39555&page=6 | 18:52 | |
| kanzure | well i bet noisebridge isn't paying a bunch of executives and CEOs | 18:53 |
| fenn | techshop sf has been 'about to open' right down the street for the last 6 months | 18:53 |
| fenn | i wonder how many people they're going to piss off this time around | 18:54 |
| kanzure | did you ever put up the aubrey/hope image on langton's walls? | 18:56 |
| fenn | no | 18:56 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:10 |
| kanzure | night | 19:10 |
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| kanzure | fenn: for your backlog http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/freitas_process.txt | 19:15 |
| kanzure | and http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer but i can't remember if i've spammed you with this yet | 19:15 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: on the freitas_process.txt can you add a Process section and put when parts were achieved? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | "when parts were achieved"? | 19:19 |
| QuantumG | when any of the steps you said | 19:19 |
| kanzure | guh that's a little hard for me to figure out | 19:20 |
| kanzure | freitas does list certain experiments that have been completed | 19:20 |
| QuantumG | thus why I want you to fucking do it :) | 19:20 |
| kanzure | and certain theoretical studies and so on | 19:20 |
| kanzure | but i don't know the mapping to this hierarchy | 19:20 |
| kanzure | hm. | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | MUAhahah | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | AWESOME NEWS | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | I've found god! | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | hes is playing a show tomorrow | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | in pittsburgh :D | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | AND i will witness the second coming ^_^ | 19:30 |
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| kanzure | welp i killed fenn again | 21:18 |
| kanzure | genspace announcement http://www.genspace.org/blog/?p=32 | 21:18 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.ngrams.googlelabs.com | 22:01 |
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