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| kanzure | http://blog.makerbot.com/2010/12/31/2011-3d-printing-predictions/ | 01:11 |
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| kanzure | oh man. vague. | 01:11 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning | 02:02 |
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| Utopiah | (random curiosity question) what's the most expensive piece of space one can rent? space launcher? (rack co-location in stock exchances place made me wonder) | 07:34 |
| archels | probably anything in space, yes | 07:39 |
| mjr | Took and ol' story and cleaned it up slightly, http://mjr.iki.fi/stories/pandora.html | 07:42 |
| Lukas_ | I have no idea | 08:16 |
| Utopiah | The Maker Movement, Young Makers, and Why They Matter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTmFBwmJ-c0 | 08:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-A-Fusion-Reactor/ | 08:20 |
| kanzure | http://makerfactory.com/ and https://github.com/effalo/makerfactory | 08:21 |
| kanzure | eh? they started in april? https://github.com/EFFALO/MAKERFACTORY/commits/master?page=8 | 08:24 |
| Utopiah | what's the added value versus hackerspaces? | 08:25 |
| Lukas_ | I love google tech talks | 08:25 |
| Utopiah | Lukas_: check the RSS feed then | 08:26 |
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| kanzure | hackerspace in beijing http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1941408 | 08:33 |
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| Lukas_ | There is no sound on the google tech talks video | 08:38 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: your next step is to learn how to use irc from something other than a web browser | 08:38 |
| kanzure | actually i guess the first step up would be https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16/ | 08:38 |
| kanzure | but something like http://linux.die.net/man/1/screen wouldn't hurt either. | 08:38 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: sadly, probably per cubic foot in downtown NYC | 08:41 |
| Utopiah | I didnt meant for human being though, just space in general, hence the trading co-location ref | 08:41 |
| Lukas_ | Thank you | 08:42 |
| Lukas_ | I assume I'd need to use the FireFox OS in order to use that irc? | 08:43 |
| kanzure | i hope you're joking | 08:43 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 08:45 |
| kanzure | wait, lepht has only done a passive rfid chip and neodium magnets? | 09:24 |
| kanzure | i thought there was other stuff | 09:24 |
| Lukas_ | Nope | 09:34 |
| Lukas_ | There are only so many things you can do with a limited budget | 09:35 |
| kanzure | where is todd huffman or quinn norton today | 09:43 |
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| Lukas_ | Hullo mheld | 10:05 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 10:07 |
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| kanzure | fenn: thanks for humoring me | 10:09 |
| fenn | "My friend Dustin D. Trammell has set up a Body Hacking mailing list, to which I plan to send updates on my research and writings on the subject. To subscribe mail bodyhacking-subscribe@lists.caughq.org" -quinn | 10:17 |
| fenn | hm you're probably already subscribed | 10:18 |
| fenn | "Blossom is working on a passive radar system that will require a more sensitive hardware setup than the current USRP. His passive radar reads in the ambient radio waves from existing sources, like FM stations and cell towers, and uses them to build a map of the area. We're hoping to see stuff on the order of 50 to 70 kilometers away." | 10:23 |
| fenn | i wonder if that went anywhere (2006) | 10:24 |
| Lukas_ | thanks | 10:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes i'm subscribed | 10:32 |
| kanzure | wasn't there someone doing LIDAR for mapping, and then using that for personal mapping? | 10:33 |
| fenn | joshcryer: i just finished "surface detail" last week, and i'm not sure the culture would so unilaterally come down on the anti-hell side, given their nutty respect for privacy of thought | 10:35 |
| fenn | there's some kinect hacks for persona lidar-ish mapping http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/kinect-slam-demo | 10:40 |
| kanzure | stelarc's third ear http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7039821.stm | 10:40 |
| fenn | oh, yeah. i'm not a stelarc fan at all. | 10:40 |
| kanzure | why's that? | 10:41 |
| kanzure | i heard that he didn't take biocompatibility issues into account and fucked things up | 10:41 |
| fenn | well, he just seems to to a lot of lame-o secondlife style crap like this http://www.eaf.asn.au/2007/images/stelarc_walkinghead.jpg | 10:43 |
| kanzure | secondlife is the future man!! | 10:43 |
| kanzure | eh stelarc does flesh hook suspensions? meh | 10:44 |
| kanzure | "In another performance he allowed his body to be controlled remotely by electronic muscle stimulators connected to the internet." | 10:44 |
| kanzure | wut? | 10:45 |
| Lukas_ | ? | 10:45 |
| fenn | btw if anyone hasn't seen this yet, check it out http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/ | 11:07 |
| fenn | "A Humster is a hybrid cell line made from hamster oocyte fertilized with human sperm" wtfrly | 11:13 |
| Lukas_ | O_O | 11:14 |
| Lukas_ | wow, leave it to Google | 11:14 |
| fenn | i think this is BS | 11:14 |
| kanzure | humster! ha ha ha | 11:14 |
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| fenn | more re humsters http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mrd.1120230307/abstract | 11:18 |
| Lukas_ | D: | 11:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: ping | 11:32 |
| kanzure | my response about lepht: | 11:32 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/89aec69224771631 | 11:32 |
| fenn | hm i was sure i downloaded that video | 11:34 |
| archels | kanzure: Couldn't agree more. | 11:39 |
| archels | She gives transhumanism in general a bad image. | 11:40 |
| fenn | is the wired article online? | 11:40 |
| fenn | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/transcending-the-human-diy-style/ | 11:41 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:41 |
| fenn | "Good anesthetic is largely impossible to buy" umm not really | 11:41 |
| fenn | http://www.google.com/search?q=lidocaine&tbs=shop:1&aq=f | 11:44 |
| Lukas_ | Interesting ... | 11:47 |
| kanzure | fwiw i edited http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Biohacking | 11:47 |
| fenn | amazing how cheap veterinary products are.. $1.25 per bottle of lidocaine, jeez | 11:48 |
| fenn | oh that's not even veterinary, it's medical | 11:48 |
| kanzure | minimum order: 1 barrel | 11:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.alibaba.com/products/lidocaine/CN--------------351-100007693,100002036-100006197.html | 11:51 |
| kanzure | white powder 1g $100-$150/gram i don't know how that compares | 11:52 |
| kanzure | another one is lidocaine hcl at $150-$260/kg | 11:52 |
| Lukas_ | Kanzure, I must say that you levied a legitimate criticism of lepht | 11:53 |
| fenn | ugh bad journalism | 11:53 |
| fenn | " neodymium metal, coated in gold and silicon, which give off mild electric current when in a electromagnetic field. When inserted under the fingertips, this current stimulates the fingers’ nerve endings, allowing the bearer to literally feel the shape and strength of electromagnetic fields around power cords or electronic devices." | 11:53 |
| archels | magic! | 11:58 |
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| kanzure | i'm really impressed by how quickly my email goes from extropy-chat to blogspot to "Google Alerts" | 11:58 |
| kanzure | http://exi-chat.blogspot.com/2011/01/exi-transcending-human-diy-style.html | 11:58 |
| fenn | neat | 11:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: did you see tim schmidt's email to you/om? | 12:10 |
| kanzure | ack this is hard to keep track of.. three diybio events this month: diybio/singapore with denisa kera (jan 8), bio.tmplab.org (jan 11), london hackspace (jan 15) | 12:14 |
| Lukas_ | O.o | 12:15 |
| Lukas_ | will there be videos? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | there were videos of london hackspace's previous diybio/biohacking event.. | 12:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muxDfkKDXnY | 12:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ZshwteUw | 12:16 |
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| kanzure | fenn: thx for the forward | 12:54 |
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| kanzure | does anyone remember the trepanation community on the web? | 13:33 |
| kanzure | trepaning "The practice of drilling a hole in the skull for aesthetic, medical or spiritual treatment." | 13:33 |
| kanzure | the first step was something like "shave your head, choke yourself and trace the veins with a marker" | 13:33 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning | 13:33 |
| kanzure | that 1525 treveris painting looks like an unpainted screen from metalocalypse | 13:40 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peter_Treveris_-_engraving_of_Trepanation_for_Handywarke_of_surgeri_1525.png | 13:41 |
| archels | Handworks of Surgery, hah. | 13:44 |
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| Lukas_ | heh | 14:18 |
| Lukas_ | ironic | 14:18 |
| Lukas_ | just as I am leaving ... | 14:18 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doktor_Sleepless | 14:19 |
| kanzure | "Doktor Sleepless is a monthly comic book series written by Warren Ellis with art by Ivan Rodriguez that is published by Avatar Press, launched in July 2007.[1] The comic draws from a wide range of ideas - from futurism and transhumanism to corporatism and counter-culture." | 14:19 |
| kanzure | "According to series writer Warren Ellis, Doktor Sleepless may be a man named John Reinhardt, a trust-fund baby and boy genius who is shunned by the counter-culture he helped found." | 14:19 |
| kanzure | "After disappearing from the city of Heavenside three years ago, he suddenly returns having undergone some changes during the interim. Upon his return, he's transformed himself from a relatively mundane man into what he describes as a "cartoon mad scientist," calling himself "Doktor Sleepless."" | 14:19 |
| kanzure | http://nerdfighters.ning.com/forum/topics/practical-transhumanism | 14:21 |
| kanzure | http://sillyskynet.blogspot.com/2011/01/cybernetics-for-masses-good.html | 14:22 |
| kanzure | http://c3.ex23.de/saal2-2010-12-30_11-21-43.wmv | 14:22 |
| kanzure | http://c3.ex23.de/saal2-2010-12-30_13-37-07.wmv | 14:22 |
| kanzure | there's the video.. | 14:22 |
| kanzure | they suggest: | 14:22 |
| kanzure | wget -qO- http://c3.ex23.de/saal2-2010-12-30_11-21-43.wmv | ffmpeg -i pipe: cybernetics_for_the_masses1.mp4 | 14:22 |
| kanzure | wget -qO- http://c3.ex23.de/saal2-2010-12-30_13-37-07.wmv | ffmpeg -i pipe: cybernetics_for_the_masses2.mp4 | 14:22 |
| kanzure | phryk: thanks for the reply re: "sensible and painless" :) | 14:23 |
| Lukas_ | grr, I won't be able to read this now - well, I suppose that's what backlogs are for | 14:23 |
| Lukas_ | cya | 14:23 |
| phryk | kanzure: You're welcome. | 14:24 |
| phryk | I didn't like what the wired guy wrote. | 14:24 |
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| kanzure | heh http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1140010/a_hole_in_the_head_do_it_yourself_trepanation/ | 14:32 |
| phryk | :D | 14:32 |
| phryk | stay the hell away with trepanation from me^^ | 14:33 |
| uniqanomaly_ | blah, it's nothing | 14:33 |
| uniqanomaly_ | self trepanation would be more interesting | 14:33 |
| phryk | It's like installing a "push-to-kill" button on your head, isn't it? | 14:33 |
| uniqanomaly_ | in front of mirror | 14:33 |
| uniqanomaly_ | that actually would be interesting | 14:34 |
| uniqanomaly_ | :< | 14:34 |
| uniqanomaly_ | mhm | 14:34 |
| uniqanomaly_ | fuck yeah | 14:34 |
| kanzure | fenn: where did you get the idea for patent-free zones from? it seems more actionable than 'nullify all patents' | 14:35 |
| uniqanomaly_ | ok, FAIL, that means i actually need get some sleep after new year party and afterparty | 14:35 |
| uniqanomaly_ | cya | 14:35 |
| kanzure | es | 14:36 |
| kanzure | heh new years party after parties | 14:36 |
| kanzure | 110 year old man ready to marry wife #6 http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/breaking-news/man-110-ready-to-wed-wife-number-six/story-e6frea73-1225980600581 | 14:40 |
| Tarvis | O.O | 14:42 |
| Tarvis | Only mild hearing and vision problems? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | didn't you hear? 110 is the new 40 | 14:43 |
| Tarvis | Apparently | 14:43 |
| kanzure | other than being ridiculously old, some supercentenarians are healthier than me | 14:44 |
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| Tarvis | Wow | 14:48 |
| Tarvis | Eh, I think about this too much, all I can think about is what change can lead to people saying that healthy that long | 14:48 |
| Tarvis | staying* | 14:49 |
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| mheld | I'm looking for a change. Should I get a cool new haircut, go vegetarian, or something else (tell me what the something is)? | 14:56 |
| kanzure | you should tattoo my name on your ass | 14:58 |
| phryk | Go vegan, it's the new shiznit. | 15:00 |
| mheld | nothing permanent :-P | 15:00 |
| phryk | I used the world shizinit, so it's gotta be really trendy!1!! | 15:00 |
| mheld | I've gone vegetarian for a month | 15:00 |
| mheld | I could try vegan for a month | 15:01 |
| QuantumG | how long have you gone gay for? | 15:01 |
| phryk | I've gon vegetarian, too. | 15:01 |
| phryk | I think I'm vegetarian since almost 6 hours now. | 15:01 |
| phryk | Maybe even vegan, dunno… | 15:01 |
| mheld | haha | 15:03 |
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| mheld | yeah, I'm going pescetarian for a month | 15:16 |
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| mheld | I'm gonna go pescetarian and work on my robot | 15:30 |
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| kanzure | http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/home/index.html | 16:07 |
| kanzure | http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/early_stage_innovation/early_stage_programs_chart.html | 16:07 |
| kanzure | john cumbers has weird stuff going on :) | 16:08 |
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| kanzure | http://syntheticbiology.arc.nasa.gov/node/12 | 16:11 |
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| kanzure | http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/home/roadmaps/index.html | 16:19 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 16:22 |
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| bdesk | what do you guys think of this article | 16:58 |
| bdesk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/transcending-the-human-diy-style | 16:58 |
| kanzure | bdesk: http://exi-chat.blogspot.com/2011/01/exi-transcending-human-diy-style.html | 16:59 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i should listen to your predictions more often | 16:59 |
| bdesk | fwiw i thought the wired article was blatant trolling of diy transhumanism. sometimes i like a little trolling, but this just made me sad. | 17:05 |
| bdesk | the caption to go with her picture was "An articulate advocate for practical transhumanism." but in the article they highlight the most impractical applications and pick her most inarticulate quotations. | 17:06 |
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| kanzure | bdesk: "i have been known to slice my arms open for shits'n'giggles, sure, and do a fair amount of damage in the process (none of this emo cat-scratch bullshit, i've split my arm to the tendons like the little psychopath i sort of am)" | 17:07 |
| kanzure | trolling can work both ways | 17:08 |
| kanzure | haha | 17:08 |
| kanzure | i should probably scrape the blog before it vanishes though | 17:08 |
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| bdesk | kanzure: you wrote that today? | 17:18 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:19 |
| kanzure | is it bad | 17:19 |
| kanzure | "it's trolling diy transhumanism" is a much more concise way of saying what i said | 17:20 |
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| bdesk | i thought your blurb was good, and now i see what you mean by the trolling working both ways. i really like the idea of someone capable of 'adult supervision' sending a blurb to wired, and i hope that they would publish it. maybe a 'letter from a reader' or something. also i wouldn't hate on lepht too much. | 17:26 |
| kanzure | yeah i think this is more of wired's fault | 17:27 |
| kanzure | but it will suck if this becomes a trend :/ | 17:27 |
| kanzure | i mean, lepht | 17:27 |
| kanzure | in the news. | 17:28 |
| bdesk | "which is from an old and rather pathetic attempt of mine to see how much i could make myself bleed by opening veins" wtf | 17:32 |
| kanzure | where's that from | 17:33 |
| bdesk | teh blog | 17:35 |
| bdesk | not that it's relevant. | 17:35 |
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| kanzure | weird: "No such amendment has been passed, or even to my knowledge come close to a vote in congress. So why is it okay for congress to be acting like they have the unconditional power to hand out intellectual property rights?" | 17:47 |
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| itdnhr | kanzure and I are chatting about magnetic implants | 17:58 |
| itdnhr | anyone done it? have protips about where to source the magnets or coatings? | 17:58 |
| kanzure | ian wants suggestions on bio-compatible coatings | 17:58 |
| kanzure | phryk: you still around? | 17:58 |
| itdnhr | I'm looking at http://www.gaussboys.com/ndfeb-magnets/D0100G.html for the magnet, maybe http://appliedsilicone.com/liquidsiliconerubber30lsr30implantgrade-2.aspx for the coating | 17:59 |
| itdnhr | but it's $350, and only sold in pound increments | 18:00 |
| itdnhr | Lepht Anonym is a fan of Sugru, but also tends to stick stuff like hotglue in herself, which has me a little put off. | 18:01 |
| bdesk | i just read the blog and lepht does a lot of stuff that would probably put you off. but that doesn't mean lepht doesn't know about diy implant. | 18:03 |
| itdnhr | bdesk: I can't find shit about Methyltris(methylethylketoxime)silane and Gamma-Aminopropyl Triethoxysilane-based implants | 18:09 |
| itdnhr | (those are the two chems in sugru) | 18:09 |
| kanzure | any ideas on what to tell ray to give me money for? | 18:15 |
| bdesk | itdnhr: sorry, i'm waiting until it gets lasik-mainstream before i would think about it | 18:16 |
| bdesk | kanzure: i suggest your online journal scraper or your debian-for-real-stuff project. | 18:18 |
| kanzure | i don't think ray will understand debian | 18:22 |
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| bdesk | yeah those projects aren't flashy, that was just my 2 cents. | 18:23 |
| kanzure | well i agree with you. | 18:24 |
| kanzure | he can offer $1k to $15k but after $5k the probability starts dropping significantly | 18:24 |
| bdesk | you could ask a grant to be a layer of middle management for him, using your networking skills to connect him to interesting projects | 18:29 |
| bdesk | if i wore this http://sensebridge.net/projects/northpaw/ then most people would think it is either A) court-ordered or B) a bomb. | 18:36 |
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| jrayhawk | where's "No such amendment has been passed" from? | 18:46 |
| jrayhawk | because the copyright clause is fairly obviously an intellectual propery amendment | 18:46 |
| AlonzoTG | I can't stand wired because the information density of their articles is spectacularly low. =\ | 18:53 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: it was on hacker news re: someone complaining about stuff that would have been released in the public domain today | 18:56 |
| kanzure | bdesk: ooh how about an AFM | 18:56 |
| kanzure | i guess lots of people build AFMs though nobody seems to be building them lately | 18:56 |
| kanzure | other high-cost scientific equipment might be a possibility to get ray to fund (i.e. for making an open source version) | 18:57 |
| bdesk | i like the idea of dual-use medical devices which could be used for either disabled people or for crazy transhumanist types. | 19:00 |
| kanzure | "dual use" is mainly used by people who are into public policy and terrorism | 19:01 |
| kanzure | but yes | 19:01 |
| bdesk | also "medical device" is mainly used to mean things that cost 10-100x | 19:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:03 |
| kanzure | rtms would be nice but i don't know anyone who would build it | 19:03 |
| kanzure | damn it why don't i have a list | 19:03 |
| AlonzoTG | Yeah, medicine is f'd. | 19:05 |
| bdesk | "dual use" is reserved for things like food, which people in gaza could either eat or make a bomb with it. | 19:05 |
| kanzure | :) | 19:06 |
| kanzure | (bdesk is implying the food is especially bad in gaza) | 19:06 |
| AlonzoTG | All of my ideas require strong AI. =\ | 19:06 |
| kanzure | oh boy | 19:06 |
| kanzure | another believer in intelligence | 19:06 |
| kanzure | lemme guess another one of your conspiracy theories | 19:06 |
| AlonzoTG | whaaaa? | 19:06 |
| AlonzoTG | WTF? | 19:07 |
| AlonzoTG | =\ | 19:07 |
| bdesk | damn kanzure you are getting jaded | 19:07 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm talking about building a closet-sized hospital. =P | 19:07 |
| kanzure | bdesk: i'm just playing around | 19:07 |
| QuantumG | AI is the modern incarnation of the longing for slavery | 19:07 |
| AlonzoTG | It's the only way to get any leverage on lots of these problems. =( | 19:07 |
| AlonzoTG | Without it, a lone mad scientist has little hope of accomplishing anything. | 19:08 |
| bdesk | google is strong ai | 19:08 |
| AlonzoTG | So therefore I need AI. | 19:08 |
| AlonzoTG | no | 19:08 |
| bdesk | how do you know? | 19:08 |
| bdesk | if there is strong ai do you think it would want to tell you? | 19:08 |
| AlonzoTG | If it was, I'd know. | 19:08 |
| bdesk | does strong ai just mean something intellectually equivalent to a person? | 19:09 |
| bdesk | because i think google is past that | 19:10 |
| AlonzoTG | Strong AI is something that can behave in a rationally justifyiable way when presented with any problem in any environment. | 19:10 |
| QuantumG | .. if you have to ask. | 19:10 |
| AlonzoTG | There's a difference between a database and an intellect. | 19:10 |
| bdesk | oh that is super-strong ai. like thermodynamically infeasibly strong ai. | 19:10 |
| bdesk | i would classify google as more like an intellect than a database. also chinese room. | 19:11 |
| AlonzoTG | I didn't say optimally, I said in a rationally justifiable way. | 19:11 |
| bdesk | kanzure: in that case ask for money to work on AGI | 19:12 |
| AlonzoTG | I WANT A NAO!!! =P | 19:13 |
| AlonzoTG | I WANT MY NAO NOW!!! | 19:13 |
| kanzure | < AlonzoTG> Without it, a lone mad scientist has little hope of accomplishing anything. | 19:15 |
| kanzure | perhaps you are not mad enough | 19:15 |
| kanzure | and/or angry | 19:16 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm plenty crazy. =P | 19:16 |
| AlonzoTG | Actually, I'm half-way saved for a Nao. | 19:16 |
| AlonzoTG | I got me 6 oz of gold reserved for it already. | 19:16 |
| AlonzoTG | I think I need about 11 or so to actually buy it. | 19:16 |
| QuantumG | if you were really crazy you wouldn't need computer intelligence.. you'd just acquire it via kidnapping and blackmail | 19:16 |
| AlonzoTG | There's a difference between a mad scientist and a demented scientist. =| | 19:17 |
| AlonzoTG | I tried joining a mad science group but they were all to demented to deal with. =( | 19:17 |
| bdesk | wtf is nao | 19:17 |
| kanzure | stupid 4chan meme | 19:18 |
| AlonzoTG | find out. | 19:18 |
| bdesk | nvm i dont want to know | 19:18 |
| AlonzoTG | Yes you do. | 19:18 |
| AlonzoTG | They cost about $16k. | 19:18 |
| QuantumG | I think most people who say "mad scientist" in an affectionate way just mean "anti-social wanna-be tinkerer" | 19:18 |
| kanzure | tinkerer? | 19:19 |
| bdesk | as opposed to industrial production | 19:19 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: do you think ed boyden or andy ellington is a mad scientist? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | andy is probably madder than ed in terms of actual anger | 19:19 |
| bdesk | the mad in mad scientist does not mean anger | 19:19 |
| kanzure | right | 19:19 |
| kanzure | Doktor Sleepless sounds cool enough. i should steal some copies.. | 19:20 |
| bdesk | food is dual-use because either the good guys could eat it or the bad guys could eat it. | 19:22 |
| bdesk | tv is dual-use because you could use it to watch mythbusters or you could use it to watch jersey shore | 19:23 |
| kanzure | "food hacking" not as inconspicuous as you first thought | 19:23 |
| kanzure | aka "molecular gastronomy" | 19:24 |
| bdesk | inconspicuous? | 19:24 |
| bdesk | innocuous maybe? | 19:24 |
| kanzure | sure | 19:24 |
| bdesk | yeah i like the idea of molecular gastronomy | 19:25 |
| kanzure | i'm just saying "molecular gastronomy" sounds more sinister | 19:25 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_gastronomy | 19:25 |
| kanzure | haha giant picture of an egg | 19:25 |
| bdesk | if someone made a cake so good it deserved a nobel prize, which prize should it get? | 19:36 |
| kanzure | peace prize | 19:37 |
| kanzure | other cakes get it too? | 19:38 |
| bdesk | i was thinking economics for home economics but peace prize is better | 19:38 |
| kanzure | i did a backup of hplusmagazine.com's mysql db last year and one just a few minutes ago | 19:39 |
| kanzure | this one is 10 MB smaller | 19:39 |
| bdesk | D: | 19:39 |
| bdesk | it was out of commission for a while though, right? | 19:39 |
| kanzure | should diff be able to handle multi-megabyte diffs on .sql (mostly plaintext) data? | 19:39 |
| kanzure | no i mean "last year" as in 3 days ago | 19:40 |
| bdesk | o | 19:40 |
| bdesk | so we haven't hit peak hplus yet | 19:41 |
| kanzure | technologiclee (some of you might remember him from hanging out in here) is posting his medical file to diybio/etc. | 19:41 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/2c3403097d20d83f | 19:41 |
| kanzure | i saw his knee once. it was gnarly. | 19:41 |
| kanzure | http://picasaweb.google.com/technologiclee/ProstheticImplantXRays# | 19:42 |
| AlonzoTG | JFC! that's horrible! | 19:42 |
| AlonzoTG | I wish doctors didn't have so much risk from malpractice.... | 19:43 |
| AlonzoTG | Even an amputation might be an improvement in this case. =\ | 19:43 |
| AlonzoTG | =((( | 19:43 |
| AlonzoTG | I really would like to help ppl like that but I just can't now, | 19:43 |
| AlonzoTG | so I'm working on AI, | 19:43 |
| AlonzoTG | damn the naysayers. | 19:43 |
| AlonzoTG | and the goertzel, | 19:43 |
| AlonzoTG | On the other hand, I eventually intend to develop my own cybernetic species, | 19:44 |
| bdesk | what did he try to put in his knee | 19:44 |
| AlonzoTG | very very challenging work. | 19:44 |
| AlonzoTG | Apparently he had cancer from the fluoridated water, | 19:44 |
| kanzure | bdesk: no i think that's what his docs put in | 19:44 |
| bdesk | i didnt click | 19:45 |
| kanzure | it's .. brutal. | 19:46 |
| kanzure | (it's just xrays) | 19:46 |
| bdesk | does diy bio mean poor americans taking the scalpel to themselves because they dont have health insurance? | 19:47 |
| bdesk | when you risk life and limb to help test a drug, are you helping science or big pharma? "http://motherjones.com/environment/2010/09/dan-markingson-drug-trial-astrazeneca" | 19:53 |
| kanzure | i think it depends on who is doing the study | 19:53 |
| bdesk | the story is that you think the university is doing the study but it is really the pharmaceutical industry | 19:56 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 19:57 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm thinking of converting from atheism to pastafarianism. | 19:57 |
| AlonzoTG | reasoning: all atheists ever talk about is god, and pastafarianism is funny and serves my spiritual need to smile every so often. | 19:58 |
| bdesk | good choice. when you are atheist people wonder which god it is that you don't believe in. | 19:58 |
| kanzure | AlonzoTG: did you read the whole brain uploading roadmap? | 19:58 |
| AlonzoTG | Yes, cover to cover, | 19:58 |
| AlonzoTG | It didn't start making sense until appendix K. = | 19:58 |
| AlonzoTG | I have a printout in the other room if you want to go over any specific sections. | 19:59 |
| kanzure | not at the moment | 19:59 |
| kanzure | i was trying to give you something to do | 19:59 |
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| AlonzoTG | heh. ;) | 19:59 |
| bdesk | i saw a seminar where they read the mind of a fruitfly | 19:59 |
| kanzure | the mind? | 19:59 |
| Lukas_ | Alright, what did I miss? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | do you mean the nneurons | 20:00 |
| kanzure | neurons | 20:00 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 20:00 |
| bdesk | they could tell one bit of information, and this required a heroic effort | 20:00 |
| AlonzoTG | That sounds like progress, actually. | 20:00 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm pleased. | 20:00 |
| AlonzoTG | =) | 20:00 |
| kanzure | bdesk: what was their setup? | 20:01 |
| kanzure | microelectrode array? :D | 20:01 |
| bdesk | no it was more invasive | 20:01 |
| kanzure | with a sufficient density array you can get a lot of information out, though not on a fly | 20:01 |
| kanzure | more invasive than microelectrodes? hmm | 20:01 |
| kanzure | fmri + voltage sensitive gfp? | 20:01 |
| AlonzoTG | If my AI efforts didn't succeed on their own, I'd be happy to have an emulated mind to study and torture.... | 20:01 |
| bdesk | cross section of brain and then look at rna expressions, i think. | 20:02 |
| kanzure | err fmri + a magnetic-related ion channel | 20:02 |
| kanzure | rna expression? tyou have to sacrifice the fly for that | 20:02 |
| bdesk | right | 20:02 |
| bdesk | i said invasive | 20:02 |
| kanzure | "read the mind" ? | 20:02 |
| AlonzoTG | Those little buggers can barely even qualify as macroscopic anyway. =P | 20:03 |
| kanzure | rna expression studies are fun though, sure | 20:03 |
| bdesk | they could tell whether the fly associated the smell with more foods or with less foods. | 20:03 |
| bdesk | i think. | 20:03 |
| kanzure | do you have names | 20:03 |
| bdesk | also they showed three distinct memory 'phases' like short, medium, and long. | 20:04 |
| bdesk | and that these are not on a continuous spectrum but are more analogous to how we have three color cones to see the continuous visible light spectrum | 20:04 |
| kanzure | does anyone remember what that latest memory engram protocol breakthrough was? it was sometime back in 2008 | 20:04 |
| bdesk | kanzure: http://www.scripps.edu/florida/research/faculty.php?rec_id=61800 | 20:06 |
| kanzure | ronald davis? | 20:07 |
| bdesk | yes | 20:07 |
| kanzure | A comprehensive assay for targeted multiplex amplification of human DNA sequences | 20:08 |
| kanzure | Sujatha Krishnakumar, Jianbiao Zheng, Julie Wilhelmy, Malek Faham, Michael Mindrinos, and Ronald Davis | 20:08 |
| kanzure | Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 105, 9296 (2008) | 20:08 |
| kanzure | probably not the same guy. | 20:08 |
| AlonzoTG | My latest neural science book purchase was on the fibre pathways of the brain. | 20:08 |
| kanzure | just something i saw in my inbox once.. | 20:08 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm going to need it to know how to organize the software in my NAO. | 20:08 |
| AlonzoTG | My concern about my NAO project is that I only have a 500 mhz processor on-board and only a wifi link to external processing. | 20:09 |
| AlonzoTG | So that might be a major bottleneck for me. | 20:09 |
| AlonzoTG | Also it gets much deeper into network programming than I had been previously. =\ | 20:09 |
| AlonzoTG | So yeah, I think the first three years of my project will be spent taming the underlying software. =( | 20:09 |
| bdesk | kanzure: that would probably be this ronald davis http://biox.stanford.edu/clark/davis.html | 20:10 |
| kanzure | oh the bearded one. hrm. | 20:10 |
| kanzure | An in vivo gene deletion system for determining temporal requirement of bacterial virulence factors | 20:10 |
| bdesk | i am scared that AlonzoTG is spending thousands of dollars doing something he read on 4chan | 20:11 |
| bdesk | does edward you know about this? | 20:11 |
| kanzure | A comparative study of living cell micromechanical properties by oscillatory optical tweezers | 20:11 |
| AlonzoTG | Wtf is 4chan? Everyone's been talking about it for the last week or so, | 20:11 |
| kanzure | bdesk: i'm sure ed knows about 4chan | 20:11 |
| kanzure | actually | 20:11 |
| kanzure | i should ask if the fbi knows about 4chan | 20:11 |
| kanzure | or if they brief each other on it | 20:11 |
| AlonzoTG | but since it's probably a forum, I'm not even slightly interested. | 20:11 |
| kanzure | hah | 20:11 |
| bdesk | nao = neural artificial organism? | 20:13 |
| AlonzoTG | damnit, now you made me open up my browser to find the link... | 20:13 |
| AlonzoTG | http://www.robotshop.com/aldebaran-robotics-nao-academic-robot-v3plus-4.html | 20:14 |
| bdesk | network artificial organism | 20:14 |
| kanzure | http://knowyourmeme.com/forums/general/topics/2899-i-can-haz-superpowah-nao | 20:14 |
| AlonzoTG | There's this amazing video on google of 20 naos dancing the robot. =P | 20:14 |
| bdesk | is it this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nao_%28robot%29 | 20:15 |
| AlonzoTG | Ofcourse, when they take over the world, they'll dance the human. ;) | 20:15 |
| bdesk | Networked Artificial Organism | 20:15 |
| bdesk | this is my best guess | 20:15 |
| AlonzoTG | Yes yes, that's the bot, damnit! | 20:15 |
| AlonzoTG | =\ | 20:21 |
| AlonzoTG | I'll need 20 million of those with armor plating and nuclear power cells to take over the world. 8P | 20:21 |
| AlonzoTG | Why did everyone go silent. =( | 20:25 |
| AlonzoTG | ? | 20:25 |
| delinquentme | AlonzoTG, im with you on the engineering organisms | 20:26 |
| delinquentme | sounds bamf. | 20:26 |
| kanzure | AlonzoTG: sorry but i'll achieve global world domination before you | 20:26 |
| kanzure | my plan involves draining the gulf of mexico | 20:26 |
| kanzure | by 2016. | 20:26 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, subcontract that dam to me ok? | 20:28 |
| kanzure | :) | 20:28 |
| delinquentme | im investing in popsicle sticks | 20:28 |
| AlonzoTG | . | 20:30 |
| bdesk | kanzure: i think i was wrong about the rna expression of a dead fly, and that they actually used microscopy of live transgenic flies | 20:31 |
| kanzure | much better | 20:34 |
| kanzure | much more diabolical | 20:34 |
| AlonzoTG | My point is that I think AGI is the only possible route towards accomplishing everything I need to accomplish in my short lifespan. =\ | 20:35 |
| delinquentme | OOHHHhh | 20:35 |
| delinquentme | DUDE | 20:35 |
| delinquentme | *head explodes* | 20:35 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, YOUUU would know about what machines run on linux/unix systems | 20:36 |
| delinquentme | :D | 20:36 |
| AlonzoTG | But then the uploaders say that as soon as AGI comes around, they'll immediately order it to construct an m-brain for them. =( | 20:36 |
| kanzure | yes but can you clarify your philosophical differences by identifing with a predefined caste on orion's ar | 20:37 |
| kanzure | arm | 20:37 |
| kanzure | orion's arm. | 20:37 |
| AlonzoTG | I have no need or interest in doing so. | 20:37 |
| AlonzoTG | I took a peek at that site about ten years ago... | 20:38 |
| AlonzoTG | didn't see any point in participating. | 20:38 |
| AlonzoTG | I thought it was just a game. | 20:38 |
| kanzure | how old are you | 20:38 |
| AlonzoTG | I guess it's more like the "transhumanist paradims" wiki I tried to put up. | 20:38 |
| AlonzoTG | 33. | 20:38 |
| kanzure | and you've been working on agi for how long now | 20:38 |
| AlonzoTG | I've been reading books about AI and AI research for about 16 years now. | 20:39 |
| kanzure | ok | 20:40 |
| AlonzoTG | I got sick of reading books on neural science and such, | 20:40 |
| AlonzoTG | I want to BUILD!!! (and then be humiliated back into reading again....) | 20:40 |
| kanzure | so what are you building | 20:41 |
| bdesk | to build anything useful you have to be associated with government or industry | 20:41 |
| Lukas_ | Unfortunately | 20:41 |
| AlonzoTG | ;) | 20:41 |
| AlonzoTG | I refuse to deal with the government and I don't have enough letters after my name to get hired to do anything cool for industry. | 20:42 |
| delinquentme | ummm no idea kanzure ? | 20:42 |
| AlonzoTG | So therefore I'm going to spend $30,000 of my own money on the project. | 20:42 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: wait what was your question | 20:42 |
| kanzure | what machines run on linux? | 20:42 |
| delinquentme | yeah specifically bio machines | 20:42 |
| delinquentme | that arent windoez | 20:42 |
| kanzure | i don't know of any biology-lab-equipment that comes with linux drivers or support | 20:43 |
| kanzure | sometimes it's just raw data over a port.. | 20:43 |
| AlonzoTG | What kind of question is that? I'm running linux... | 20:43 |
| AlonzoTG | Linux runs on just about everything, the instant a new platform comes out, ppl port linux to it. They're insane, but that's what happens. | 20:43 |
| delinquentme | AlonzoTG, yeah as am i :D and im just kind of head-in-th-clouds thinking about what would be the awesomeness for a lab | 20:43 |
| kanzure | AlonzoTG: it's a language issue | 20:44 |
| kanzure | AlonzoTG: i don't think delinquentme speaks english | 20:44 |
| AlonzoTG | Yeah, a lot of equipment only has windows drivers. | 20:44 |
| delinquentme | http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/318 | 20:44 |
| delinquentme | va a commigo de la cuarto de bano | 20:44 |
| AlonzoTG | The gear I have for my electric car only has windows software. =( | 20:44 |
| bdesk | i know that some centrifuges in iran run windows | 20:45 |
| delinquentme | ^^ so that puppy has its own windows interface | 20:45 |
| bdesk | or at least they used to | 20:45 |
| kanzure | 88proof.com is jncline (he used to come in here too..) | 20:45 |
| delinquentme | yeah i shot him a email about the same thing | 20:45 |
| kanzure | you should see his electrowetting-on-dielectrics stuff | 20:45 |
| delinquentme | getting that higher level function between the server and the machined | 20:45 |
| delinquentme | just found it today! | 20:45 |
| kanzure | basically he was doing some pcb boards for microfluidics and droplet manipulation | 20:45 |
| kanzure | he has his code up on sourceforge if you want it | 20:46 |
| kanzure | and on CPAN.. he's a hardcore perl fan | 20:46 |
| delinquentme | OHH thats what CPAN is | 20:46 |
| kanzure | svn co https://jcline.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/jcline jcline | 20:46 |
| delinquentme | yeah see | 20:46 |
| delinquentme | im TRYING to stick w Ruby | 20:47 |
| kanzure | why | 20:47 |
| delinquentme | because i dont hold your belief that languages DONT matter | 20:47 |
| delinquentme | :D | 20:47 |
| delinquentme | and ive got RoR going on | 20:47 |
| delinquentme | so best case scenario i can get these to jive together | 20:47 |
| kanzure | meh if you were a better programmer you would be able to wire it up anyway ;) | 20:48 |
| delinquentme | haha working on it | 20:49 |
| delinquentme | i need to find someplace where someone will let me play w their machine | 20:49 |
| kanzure | what lab equipment do you have | 20:49 |
| kanzure | ah. i see. | 20:49 |
| delinquentme | NOTHING! | 20:49 |
| kanzure | well that makes it hard then huh | 20:49 |
| delinquentme | yeah thats a super bummer | 20:49 |
| AlonzoTG | I've been making my living off of Java recently. =P | 20:49 |
| AlonzoTG | I have no use for biotech equipment, -- yet. even though I have a contract with a biotech firm. | 20:49 |
| delinquentme | ive got this arduino based hardware im looking into .. moving mount for a microscope | 20:49 |
| delinquentme | and thats easy enough to get started on .. | 20:50 |
| kanzure | mac cowell has somes tuff floating around for what he calls 'roboscope' | 20:50 |
| delinquentme | but id LOVE some serious equipment to jack into | 20:50 |
| kanzure | it's an arduino shield related to microscopy | 20:50 |
| delinquentme | @_@ | 20:50 |
| kanzure | but it streams to iphones and ipads with live video | 20:50 |
| kanzure | or something sick. | 20:50 |
| delinquentme | yeah that is kinda wild | 20:50 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, do you know if the companies who purchase these big mean machines have some kind of agreements preventing them from hacking it? | 20:51 |
| kanzure | warranties | 20:52 |
| kanzure | although lots of older equipment is out of warranty | 20:52 |
| kanzure | you can pick interesting stuff up at university liquidation auctions | 20:52 |
| delinquentme | so warranties and wanting to keep the equip functional | 20:53 |
| kanzure | in terms of wiring up new software to it, that's not going to break it | 20:53 |
| kanzure | usually you hook up an external computer to your lab equipment | 20:53 |
| kanzure | com, rs232, and if it was made in the last 10 years, maybe usb | 20:53 |
| kanzure | serial ports woo | 20:54 |
| kanzure | sometimes custom ports! because they are evil bastards | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | haha | 20:57 |
| delinquentme | the "dongle" | 20:57 |
| delinquentme | (thats what the tecan liquid handlers have ) | 20:57 |
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| kanzure | "What a bunch of complete nonsense. Ooh, I stuck a fork up my ass, now I’m more evolved and can sense when there’s a salad within 30 feet. Pffft. | 23:25 |
| kanzure | :D | 23:25 |
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| kanzure | hmm my comment was removed by the wired moderators | 23:28 |
| joshcryer | Commenting on Lepht's article? | 23:33 |
| kanzure | birthday #21 is on jan 4 for me | 23:38 |
| kanzure | what should i do? | 23:38 |
| joshcryer | Maybe do the ritual buying alcohol thing. | 23:43 |
| joshcryer | (I never did that, didn't drink for the first time until I was like 25.) | 23:43 |
| joshcryer | Maybe avoid anything and everything h+, just to see what it's like. | 23:43 |
| joshcryer | I bet it's been awhile since you have had a break. | 23:43 |
| kanzure | a brea..k? | 23:44 |
| joshcryer | Heh | 23:44 |
| joshcryer | Also, I didn't know you were so young. | 23:45 |
| joshcryer | Damn kids these days, so smart. | 23:45 |
| kanzure | young? i'm practically ancient now | 23:45 |
| kanzure | why just last year i was 12 | 23:45 |
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| joshcryer | You must've been 16 when we met. | 23:47 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, during an AI discussion I once had a guy once told me that we should endow hammers with intelligence. If we were going to go with automation. | 23:51 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, in that vein AI is slavery. | 23:51 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, but dumb automation is hardly anything of the sort, imnsho. | 23:52 |
| joshcryer | The slavers were fully aware of the humanity of their slaves, and even attempted to justify it with stupid arguments about how they treated their slaves better because of this awareness. | 23:53 |
| joshcryer | "Do I not feed and clothe my slaves, and shelter them? They are clearly better off under my extreme benelovence. I just won't let them read so that they stay dumb." | 23:54 |
| joshcryer | The guy who argued for intelligent hammers used this exact argument, and decided that, if we had the *ability* to endow hammers with intelligence, we ought to. | 23:55 |
| joshcryer | "Let hammers learn to read," type of argument. | 23:55 |
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