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| timschmidt | that looks... moldy. | 00:02 |
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| mayko | yes there were some... hitchikers. | 00:02 |
| mayko | it was a beautiful red though | 00:03 |
| mayko | http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h428/csoeder/Welcome%20to%20Fungopolis/DSC_0278.jpg | 00:03 |
| mayko | lost it to contamination but i have some frozen mycelliated agar gonna start checkin out these pigments lol | 00:04 |
| mayko | workin on a fluorescant orange one right now might be L sulphurus | 00:08 |
| mayko | ok gonna sleep fer realz night ;D | 00:08 |
| * mayko is back (gone 00:00:52) | 00:10 | |
| * mayko is away: run mycellia run! | 00:10 | |
| joshcryer | http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer?currentPage=all | 00:23 |
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| dbolser | joshcryer: ... | 01:32 |
| dbolser | is that april 1st? | 01:32 |
| dbolser | it's weird | 01:32 |
| dbolser | It was as if nature gave me this great result and then tried to take it back | 01:32 |
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| joshcryer | dbolser, I've encountered this before. | 02:16 |
| joshcryer | In my own experimentation. | 02:16 |
| joshcryer | Heck, even in my own coding. | 02:17 |
| dbolser | psychological or paranormal? | 02:19 |
| joshcryer | The decline effect. | 02:25 |
| joshcryer | Which I interpret to mean confirmation bias, which the article doesn't mention, but it seems quite similar. | 02:25 |
| joshcryer | Basically if something works it is correct but in subsequent uses it appears less and less correct. | 02:25 |
| joshcryer | In software we call 'em bugs. | 02:25 |
| joshcryer | :D | 02:25 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, do you guys have any associations with #futuresalon | 04:18 |
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| kanzure | yet another dead-on-arrival wiki for diybio http://wiki.openbioprojects.net | 07:20 |
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| fenn | need to point cia at ##hplus instead of #hplus | 07:25 |
| kanzure | you should read tim schmidt's email and think about it for a month | 07:28 |
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| fenn | i'm so far ahead of you already :P | 07:30 |
| kanzure | did you write it? | 07:35 |
| kanzure | it= the whitepaper that he proposed | 07:36 |
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| fenn | no, maybe i should read it again | 07:50 |
| fenn | hum. lazy reporter never called me back http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/04/MNT41GT99B.DTL&feed=rss.news | 07:52 |
| kanzure | yeah she only spent 10min on the phone with me | 07:55 |
| fenn | haha now you look like a burner | 07:56 |
| kanzure | hm? | 07:56 |
| fenn | they sure like to hype up the dishes line, but nobody seems to care that i started tracking what food i ate so i could plan for crop area on space colonies | 07:57 |
| fenn | "I'll see that we've already talked about things like synthetic biology or Burning Man," Bishop said. | 07:57 |
| kanzure | i think it connects to these people because they do dishes | 07:58 |
| fenn | wow look at the comments | 07:59 |
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| kanzure | "Ok, so there are 1,000 people in the WORLD who take part in this obsessive self-monitoring, and that warrants a story on SFgate?" | 08:00 |
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| thesnark | morning kanzure | 08:02 |
| kanzure | hi thesnark | 08:02 |
| kanzure | thesnark: http://diyhpl.us:9000/random | 08:03 |
| thesnark | knazure Do you know how many hours of footage there is? I'm assuming those are all hplus videos | 08:04 |
| kanzure | thousands | 08:04 |
| kanzure | on average the length is 1h | 08:04 |
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| delinquentme | IOC! | 08:11 |
| delinquentme | OIC* | 08:11 |
| kanzure | fenn: you going to fungusland? http://www.fungusfed.org/ jan 7-9 in santa cruz | 08:13 |
| kanzure | ybit: len sassaman was working on a repeatably deployable *leaks infrastructure (because he doesn't trust anyone else to get the software security right) so if we all bug him enough that might help | 08:15 |
| kanzure | re: paperleaks or scienceleaks | 08:15 |
| kanzure | marcin is listed here: http://www.ted.com/pages/view/id/552 | 08:23 |
| kanzure | here's his comment on it: http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/2010/12/ted-fellows-2/ | 08:23 |
| kanzure | en español http://imagina-canarias.blogspot.com/2010/12/marcin-es-ahora-ted-fellow.html | 08:24 |
| kanzure | wait. not español | 08:25 |
| kanzure | "one of the romantic languages" it doesn't matter. | 08:25 |
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| kanzure | g4k: is this you? http://www.i3detroit.com/i3-detroit-needs-your-help-to-win-a-laser-cutter | 08:30 |
| kanzure | g4k: you might want to talk with timschmidt (he's in here) since he's relatively local to your scene | 08:30 |
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| kanzure | someone in here was asking about video summarization startups | 08:43 |
| kanzure | and i mentioned michael katsevman used to hang out in here | 08:43 |
| kanzure | http://highlightcam.com/ is his video summarization startup thing. | 08:43 |
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| g4k | kanzure: i posted it for them, but im from familab | 08:54 |
| g4k | they donated like $100 or so to our laser cutter fund on kickstarter | 08:54 |
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| kanzure | gah oembed on fora.tv is broken too? http://fora.tv/partner/Open_Science_Summit :( | 08:58 |
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| kanzure | huh there's a lot of videos from the conference missing there | 08:59 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: how do i get ahead of the curve on nanoengineer :( there's a lot of stuff piling up | 09:08 |
| kanzure | like cross-platform testing | 09:09 |
| kanzure | iirc not many projects bother to do automated cross-platform testing (like via metasploit?) but i could be wrong | 09:09 |
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| kanzure | hi thesnark | 10:18 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure | 10:19 |
| thesnark | kanzure You showed me the site you're working on about 3 weeks ago and I lost the conversation | 10:29 |
| thesnark | kanzure Care to show again what you're doing? | 10:29 |
| kanzure | 3 weeks ago.. hrm | 10:35 |
| kanzure | oh http://gitduino.com/ probably | 10:35 |
| kanzure | i've been slacking on that front. | 10:36 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: madeline says "oh steve looks a lot like todd huffman" | 11:12 |
| kanzure | hmm now the hard part is explaining why using steve would be funnier | 11:14 |
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| Lukas__ | Hullo Kanzure | 11:38 |
| Lukas__ | Do you know someone that is well versed at biochemistry? | 11:39 |
| kanzure | i know a handful of people yes | 11:42 |
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| Lukas__ | If you could relay this question to them that would be awesome: The human body is capable of recognizing foreign proteins, which is why gene therapy keeps running into problems. Are there unique amino acid chains that mark a particular protein as 'you'? | 11:54 |
| Lukas__ | that is the question, in a nutshell | 11:54 |
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| fenn | " which is why gene therapy keeps running into problems." well, not really. | 12:05 |
| fenn | most of your proteins are exactly the same as every other human's version of that protein | 12:06 |
| fenn | basically, the answer in a nutshell is, "it's really complicated" | 12:07 |
| fenn | but you might start with reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex | 12:07 |
| fenn | things which are non-self tend to get displayed for recognition | 12:10 |
| Lukas__ | thanks! | 12:10 |
| Lukas__ | Please excuse my ignorance | 12:11 |
| fenn | i don't remember anything that identifies a cell or protein as 'self' | 12:13 |
| Lukas__ | alright | 12:15 |
| Lukas__ | hrm | 12:15 |
| Lukas__ | that makes the problem even more of a pain in the ass | 12:15 |
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| kanzure | timschmidt: i don't know if these guys are legit or not http://www.refresheverything.com/dnaprogramming | 12:23 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: they want to do an ann arbor molecular biology teaching space? thing. | 12:23 |
| timschmidt | ... looking ... | 12:24 |
| kanzure | more details http://www.allhandsactive.com/2011/01/aha-takes-the-pepsi-challenge/ | 12:24 |
| kanzure | so far i know of them just because they're asking for money | 12:24 |
| timschmidt | Ah, All Hands Active... yes, I've met these people | 12:24 |
| kanzure | which suggests to me that they are probably not legit | 12:24 |
| timschmidt | they're a legitimate hackerspace | 12:24 |
| kanzure | i see | 12:24 |
| timschmidt | though they're not particularly cooperative with the i3 Detroit people | 12:25 |
| timschmidt | which are a very inclusive hackerspace | 12:25 |
| timschmidt | AHA gave a demonstration next to ours at TEDxUofM | 12:29 |
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| kanzure | http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/11/26/the-open-source-party-proposal/ | 13:30 |
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| kanzure | fenn: is there any chance that a whitepaper is something you'd be willing to organize? | 13:43 |
| kanzure | and write. | 13:43 |
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| jrayhawk | Steve would be funnier because he'd turn even the simplest questions into very difficult to follow meta-discussions on what the implications of the various truthful answers he could give would be | 13:59 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 13:59 |
| jrayhawk | but he'd probably be there to talk about existential risk, so there'd be plenty of that, too | 14:02 |
| kanzure | right | 14:06 |
| kanzure | but i need a way to make that sound appealing *to her* | 14:07 |
| jrayhawk | He is a wonderful straight man to Colbert against. | 14:08 |
| kanzure | aha. | 14:09 |
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| kanzure | hm.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusmagazine-authors.2011-01-06.txt | 14:11 |
| kanzure | hplusmagazine.com has had more authors writing for it than users registered to comment | 14:11 |
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| kanzure | hi gloop | 14:50 |
| gloop | hey | 14:50 |
| AlonzoTG | . | 14:52 |
| AlonzoTG | moof | 14:54 |
| AlonzoTG | =\ | 14:54 |
| gloop | woomeow | 14:55 |
| AlonzoTG | ugh... | 14:55 |
| gloop | was that a cat or dog? | 14:55 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm kinda like pseudobanned from exi-chat. | 14:55 |
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| kanzure | hi Juul | 14:58 |
| Juul | hi | 14:58 |
| kanzure | guess the redirect isn't working? | 14:58 |
| Juul | guess not | 14:58 |
| Juul | i just realized i got redirected to ##namespace | 14:58 |
| Juul | which has some explanation | 14:59 |
| gloop | i typed two #s before i got here | 14:59 |
| gloop | i was there too | 14:59 |
| AlonzoTG | Anyone wanna chat? | 15:00 |
| kanzure | no go away | 15:00 |
| AlonzoTG | =( | 15:00 |
| kanzure | ha | 15:00 |
| gloop | what do you do alonzo | 15:01 |
| AlonzoTG | Get yelled at by a co-worker that the documentation I write sucks. | 15:01 |
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| AlonzoTG | I'm a programmer, not a technical writer. =\ | 15:02 |
| AlonzoTG | Also, it's hard for me to talk down to ppl. | 15:02 |
| AlonzoTG | so I expect people to have a basic understanding of how java basically works. | 15:02 |
| * kanzure will bbl | 15:03 | |
| gloop | well, i guess using metaphors sometimes works, but not always | 15:03 |
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| gloop | i studied english before i studied biology. it certainly helps | 15:04 |
| AlonzoTG | He wants me to answer a bunch of questions that I don't have the answer for... | 15:04 |
| gloop | what kind of questions | 15:04 |
| AlonzoTG | like "what is an accuracy report?" -- answer, one day the guy who used to work here came to me and showed me an excel spreadsheet, I reverse engineered the thing and reduced it to two SQL statements. | 15:04 |
| AlonzoTG | So I don't really know what it's for, I only know how the code works. | 15:05 |
| gloop | is the accuracy report the spreadsheet, or the reduced sql statement | 15:05 |
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| AlonzoTG | The old system had a bunch of VBA macros in the excel spreadsheets opening CSV files from all over the place (about 1 meg each), sorting them, doing a bunch of multiply-accumulate instructions, then displaying the data in a fixed form... | 15:06 |
| AlonzoTG | My new version uses two SQL statements to generate the tables then it uses a XSLT template to generate a report. My version will automatically acomodate new mills as they are added where the old version had to be hand-revised. =P | 15:07 |
| gloop | cool | 15:08 |
| gloop | well i have to go. bbs | 15:09 |
| AlonzoTG | My version is so automated that once you tell it where to get the data, everything else is taken care of. | 15:09 |
| gloop | good | 15:09 |
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| kanzure | AlonzoTG: mills? you work with *gasp* actual equipment | 15:22 |
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| fenn | curl -s http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusmagazine-authors.2011-01-06.txt | sort |sed 's/[ \t]*$//'| sed 's/,.*//'| sed 's/ and .*//'| uniq -i | wc -l | 16:39 |
| fenn | 413 | 16:39 |
| kanzure | fenn: or http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusmagazine-unique-authors.txt | 16:40 |
| kanzure | 404 | 16:40 |
| kanzure | ish | 16:40 |
| fenn | still a lot | 16:41 |
| fenn | that like 2.5 articles per author | 16:42 |
| kanzure | there's only 140 users registered for commenting | 16:43 |
| kanzure | and most of those are spam accounts | 16:43 |
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| kanzure | yesterday i moved the server/software somewhere else | 16:45 |
| kanzure | as soon as i turned it on it was ~200 hits/sec | 16:46 |
| kanzure | about 25% were crawlers and spiders | 16:46 |
| kanzure | with 1040 articles i guess hplusmagazine.com is eating the long tail concept up for breakfast | 16:46 |
| gloop | so 150 hits/sec are unique? | 16:47 |
| kanzure | i didn't check the ip addresses i guess | 16:48 |
| kanzure | i bet some people are just monitoring for when the ip address switches | 16:48 |
| kanzure | and then load the pages to check why things moved. | 16:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: so about an skdb open source hardware spec whitepaper.. thing | 16:50 |
| fenn | is someone supposedly going to implement this based on a spec i write? otherwise i dont really see the point | 16:54 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:55 |
| fenn | you're talking about mail titled "Packagine proposal" right? | 16:55 |
| kanzure | actually i'm re-reading timschmidt's email | 16:55 |
| kanzure | he didn't explicitly ask for the spec there | 16:55 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:55 |
| kanzure | but instead for the apt-get + dependency-resolver + what-do-you-presently-have + grab-from-online-mirror system | 16:56 |
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| fenn | parse error, "instead for"? | 16:57 |
| kanzure | "he didn't explicitly ask for.. but instead for" | 16:57 |
| kanzure | i do think a 1 or 2 page v0.01 spec would be worthwhile | 16:57 |
| kanzure | skdb.git is mostly useless in terms of installable or usable things | 16:57 |
| kanzure | has some nice gems for file format conversion and other weird things though | 16:58 |
| fenn | has some nice package format specs <_< | 16:58 |
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| kanzure | not really | 16:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: autogenix.something.txt is in there but that's old | 17:00 |
| fenn | omg why do people listen to recorded live electronic music | 17:00 |
| kanzure | metadata.yaml isn't written down anywhere really | 17:00 |
| kanzure | and i'm not sure that the basic concept of screw.py was legit for our purposes | 17:00 |
| kanzure | at the very least: | 17:00 |
| kanzure | * some sort of standard for metadata | 17:00 |
| kanzure | * useful things to include in the metadata | 17:01 |
| kanzure | * suggestions for CAD standards (i.e. not storing raw STL or PDF files when it's avoidable) | 17:01 |
| kanzure | * licensing metadata information, licensing short strings ("gpl-2.0" instead of copy+paste large LICENSE file) | 17:01 |
| kanzure | * explicitly saying it should be a git repository | 17:02 |
| fenn | "some sort of standard for metadata" is a trap | 17:02 |
| fenn | i mean i already attempted writing a spec and upon trying to implement it i had to change it a bunch and ended up with what we have now, so how do i know that won't happen again? | 17:03 |
| kanzure | * types of dependencies (build, assemble, disassemble, run, software?) | 17:03 |
| kanzure | re: metadata-standard as a trap.. in general i think a version number is a good idea | 17:04 |
| kanzure | oh please none of us have done new packages in forever | 17:04 |
| kanzure | so the hypothetical optimal spec hasn't changed either | 17:04 |
| kanzure | anyway, if we did come into that situation, rapidly updating the spec and versioning it is ok in my book | 17:04 |
| fenn | the hypothetical optimal spec i was referring to was the autogenix thing | 17:04 |
| kanzure | it sounds like those things aren't major incompatibilities in the versioning | 17:05 |
| kanzure | iirc some of the autogenix things are a little outdated already :P | 17:05 |
| fenn | i think we're not making mutual sense | 17:05 |
| kanzure | all i'm saying is that rapidly bumping versions of a spec/standard is fine | 17:06 |
| kanzure | but yes i remember a few situations where i didn't know how to represent something in package/metadata.yaml | 17:06 |
| kanzure | yaml won't explicitly puke on something new which is nice | 17:07 |
| kanzure | but our tools still need to be written to a number of unit tests and situations that we can reasonably expect to find out in the field [er, things we find packaged using our presently-non-existing stnadard] | 17:07 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: are you around? | 17:07 |
| kanzure | fenn: i think doing this in latex under git would be ideal even if it is just ~2 pages | 17:08 |
| fenn | it's fairly easy to write a bunch of almost plain text garbage in yaml format, but you don't know it's useless until you write something like screw.py that actually does something with the information | 17:08 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: yep | 17:08 |
| fenn | fuck latex | 17:08 |
| kanzure | restructuredtext? | 17:08 |
| kanzure | yeah so i don't knwo if 'screw.py' should be in the spec | 17:08 |
| kanzure | matt campbell brought up this issue and i didn't really have an answer | 17:09 |
| kanzure | having a class in the package that is written in python that other tools won't necessarily be able to use without using a python bridge/interpreter/calling it by command line | 17:09 |
| fenn | ideally the metadata.yaml is language independent | 17:09 |
| fenn | (except for yaml of course) | 17:09 |
| fenn | you can write another parser in C for screw.yaml if you like | 17:10 |
| kanzure | i'm talking about screw.py | 17:10 |
| kanzure | where we have methods for calculating parameters etc. | 17:10 |
| kanzure | anyway, that cna come later | 17:10 |
| kanzure | *can | 17:10 |
| fenn | yeah, well it's gotta be done in some programming language | 17:11 |
| kanzure | *shrug* anyway i don't see that as being necessary in v0.01 | 17:11 |
| kanzure | i'm a little overloaded in terms of how much i can get done in a single day | 17:11 |
| kanzure | taking this on would mean a lot to me.. i don't see it being particularly laborious except for the pain of knowing how incomplete it is | 17:12 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: what do you think? | 17:13 |
| fenn | so the idea here is i write some document that tells tim how to write his metadata, then when he gets it wrong i rewrite the spec? | 17:13 |
| fenn | lather rinse repeat | 17:14 |
| kanzure | sort of | 17:15 |
| kanzure | the real idea is that you and i should have done this a long time ago | 17:15 |
| kanzure | we didn't, and doing it is kinda important | 17:15 |
| timschmidt | fenn: sounds right to me | 17:15 |
| fenn | someone please write me a spec for how to write specs | 17:16 |
| kanzure | well first you deploy the document writing infrastructure.. thing | 17:16 |
| kanzure | i suggested latex+git but you don't seem to like that | 17:16 |
| kanzure | whatever it is should be renderable into txt, html, and pdf because people who read specs apparently like pdf | 17:17 |
| kanzure | restructuredtext is some hot stuff these days apparently | 17:17 |
| kanzure | second, you make up an outline that you will probably end up ignoring | 17:17 |
| fenn | 1. write spec | 17:18 |
| kanzure | third, you write the purpose/objectives or chicken scratch those notes | 17:18 |
| fenn | 2. ???? | 17:18 |
| fenn | 3. write spec | 17:18 |
| kanzure | um | 17:18 |
| kanzure | 1. use skdb.git or start a new git repository | 17:18 |
| fenn | i'm not starting a new git repo | 17:19 |
| kanzure | 2. setup some document renderer thingy (latex? restructuredtext? not raw html) | 17:19 |
| kanzure | actually you might enjoy just copying PEP stuff | 17:20 |
| fenn | yeah i was just looking at that | 17:22 |
| kanzure | 3. draft a brief outline (introduction/scope/objectives, how metadata is to be used, how git is to be used, how CAD is to be used, concluding remarks, references, whatever) | 17:22 |
| kanzure | 4. i help out with fleshing out words/sentences under that outline | 17:23 |
| kanzure | 5. tim/others will review it and give it a thumbs up or down for particular concerns or something | 17:23 |
| kanzure | does this sound reasonable | 17:23 |
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| fenn | sure, i will probably work on it tomorrow morning | 17:25 |
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| fenn | i am hoping openscad will play nicer than opencascade | 17:26 |
| timschmidt | the OpenSCAD devs are pretty friendly folk | 17:26 |
| kanzure | they haven't replied about lolcad yet tim :/ | 17:27 |
| timschmidt | :-/ | 17:27 |
| timschmidt | I will ping marius | 17:27 |
| fenn | looks like he has a lot on his plate http://metalab.at/wiki/Benutzer:MariusKintel | 17:29 |
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| kanzure | fenn: have you looked at elmom/MCAD yet? | 17:30 |
| fenn | a little | 17:30 |
| kanzure | thoughts | 17:30 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/elmom/MCAD | 17:31 |
| kanzure | oh fenn another thing to put in the old noggen is qr codes for packaged objects | 17:34 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:39 |
| kanzure | hi JayDugger | 17:41 |
| Lukas__ | Hullo JayDugger | 17:43 |
| kanzure | heh http://code.google.com/p/latex-lab/ | 17:51 |
| fenn | too bad we don't have real URI's | 17:54 |
| fenn | only URL's | 17:54 |
| kanzure | huh? | 17:55 |
| fenn | well say the qr code encodes a url pointing at some git repo that's hosted on my machine, and then my machine goes down. now that qr code is useless | 18:00 |
| kanzure | use domain names not ip addresses | 18:02 |
| fenn | still, can't expect everybody making objects to have a reliable server | 18:02 |
| kanzure | dunno how DOI has convinced everyone they will be around forever | 18:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: gitduino.com is supposedly for hosting hardware git repos | 18:02 |
| kanzure | but so far it's unreliable | 18:03 |
| kanzure | busy not existing. | 18:03 |
| QuantumG | I doubt that email will get much response on arocket kanzure | 18:03 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: a man can dream :( | 18:03 |
| QuantumG | it's a little too "I demand you tell me what I can't be bothered researching!!" | 18:03 |
| kanzure | i should link keith to the SSI videos on moon rock manufacturing | 18:03 |
| kanzure | yeah that's true | 18:03 |
| fenn | why is there a flamingo? | 18:03 |
| kanzure | fenn: gitduino.. flamingo | 18:04 |
| kanzure | don't kill me :eek: | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | or link him to tdrs and say "search" | 18:04 |
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| fenn | uh, they both end in "o"? | 18:04 |
| kanzure | they sort of rhyme | 18:04 |
| fenn | they both have 8 letters | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | s/tdrs/ntrs/ | 18:04 |
| kanzure | duino.. ingo.. | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | damn acronyms | 18:04 |
| kanzure | ino ingo | 18:05 |
| kanzure | anyway. | 18:05 |
| kanzure | maybe it's a bad idea | 18:05 |
| QuantumG | http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode%20matchall&Ntt=lunar%20regolith | 18:05 |
| kanzure | sebastien is prepared to port the entire reprap community over to gitduino | 18:05 |
| kanzure | sigh if only i could work faster | 18:05 |
| QuantumG | Extracting Oxygen from Lunar Simulant Using a Transparent Furnace Pulsed Fluidized Bed <- there's like 100s of them | 18:05 |
| QuantumG | http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20100030350_2010032681.pdf <- is a good answer to his question | 18:08 |
| QuantumG | I'll reply on arocket for shits and giggles | 18:08 |
| kanzure | crowdsourced funding for moon mission http://www.ironicsans.com/2011/01/idea_crowdfund_a_mission_to_pu.html | 18:08 |
| kanzure | or on slashdot: http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/06/1626259 | 18:09 |
| QuantumG | yeah, it's amazing how that guy (who is clearly a moron) has managed to get some attention. | 18:09 |
| gloop_ | i like the flamingo | 18:10 |
| kanzure | i'm not a big fan of crowdsourcing your funding | 18:11 |
| kanzure | every year the cancer conglomerates are able to raise a crapload via crowdsourcing | 18:11 |
| kanzure | but they spend a lot in building their marketing channels too. | 18:11 |
| kanzure | it's a little like bottom scraping, i think | 18:11 |
| kanzure | and doesn't seem a particularly good strategy.. i mean your funding source could dry up at any moment really | 18:12 |
| QuantumG | there ya go, suitably snippy | 18:14 |
| kanzure | heeh | 18:18 |
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| JayDugger | QuantumG, arocket=? | 18:23 |
| QuantumG | mailing list | 18:23 |
| JayDugger | Thank you. | 18:23 |
| * fenn fights with openscad and include paths | 18:29 | |
| kanzure | how's that going | 18:54 |
| kanzure | fenn? | 18:54 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:01 |
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| Lukas__ | Good night | 19:07 |
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| ybit | why git and not mercurial? | 19:26 |
| ybit | just seems like hg or even bzr would be easier to work with | 19:27 |
| ybit | re:gitduino | 19:27 |
| kanzure | what i really need is something that uses rsync's binary diff algorithm | 19:29 |
| kanzure | when committing binaries. | 19:29 |
| kanzure | good news everyone! http://octopart.com/blog/archives/2011/1/digi%252Dkey-products-now-listed-on-octopart | 19:30 |
| kanzure | and discussed here http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2075664 | 19:30 |
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| kanzure | "I'd love to see Octopart add precise component outlines to its database, with an API so that a component can be added to a board layout or schematic directly from the Octopart meta-catalog. This would make Octopart even more awesome." | 19:31 |
| kanzure | "Our backend is already equipped to handle this and now we're starting to focus on getting manufacturer data feeds. If you have a chance, please send me an email to let me know which manufacturers you think we should prioritize (andres@octopart.com)." | 19:31 |
| kanzure | andres has been pro-skdb in the past. | 19:31 |
| ybit | best 404 ever: https://github.com/bla/blal | 19:34 |
| kanzure | you mean http://github.com/404 | 19:35 |
| kanzure | there's also https://github.com/503 | 19:35 |
| ybit | that works too | 19:49 |
| Lukas__ | XD | 19:54 |
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| Juul | hey | 20:23 |
| Lukas__ | hullo | 20:25 |
| Juul | evening on the u.s. west coast kinda sucks. the rest of the western world is sleeping | 20:26 |
| Lukas__ | yup | 20:30 |
| Lukas__ | it is 11:30pm where I am | 20:31 |
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| kanzure | sorry about that, nsh_ | 20:52 |
| * nsh_ chooses to blame freenode | 20:52 | |
| nsh_ | this ## nonsense has never sat well with me | 20:52 |
| kanzure | sorry you have to talk about that in ###hplusroadmap | 20:53 |
| * nsh_ smiles | 20:57 | |
| AlonzoTG | agreed, ## is gay. | 21:48 |
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| mayko | uh yeah what is up with ## and me getting a redir to ##namespace | 22:24 |
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| kanzure | mayko: the new channel name is ##hplusroadmap | 22:28 |
| mayko | oh good | 22:29 |
| timschmidt | nearly finished installing Debian on my Seagate Dockstar... | 22:31 |
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| nsh_ | reading about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoacoustics | 22:57 |
| nsh_ | made me wonder: what might we be doing, today, that future technology might render invaluable? | 22:58 |
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| timschmidt | nsh_: browser histories / flash cookies / tracking data of the yet-to-be-famous | 23:19 |
| nsh_ | ah, true in itself. but we can already read these | 23:19 |
| nsh_ | what are we doing, or might we do, to create artefacts whose value is so far hidden to us | 23:20 |
| nsh_ | an ancient potter could not have imagined his vase might capture sound | 23:21 |
| kanzure | kinetic sculptures are kind of obvious | 23:21 |
| timschmidt | nsh_: participating in an aggregate consciousness | 23:21 |
| nsh_ | hmm | 23:22 |
| nsh_ | remind me of a strange thought i had today | 23:25 |
| nsh_ | to do with the eliciting sentiment of a literal expression affecting its reception and appreciation by the other party | 23:26 |
| nsh_ | ie, the 'feeling' the accompanies the creation of a message, whose contents are strictly limited (e.g. textual), "charging" the communication with affect | 23:27 |
| nsh_ | which is then reflected in the mind of the receiving party | 23:28 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 23:28 | |
| nsh_ | good idea | 23:28 |
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