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| joshcryer | geohot shows loading signed data on PS3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkLSXsCKDkg | 03:06 |
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| joshcryer | eg, win. | 03:07 |
| joshcryer | Latest firmware PS3 I should say. Basically Sony cannot do anything about the 50+ million PS3s out there because all the software is dependent on the now broken key signing method. This will never be fixed until PS4. | 03:08 |
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| kanzure | "Automatically find and download PDFs given only PMIDs ΒΆ" http://dev.davidsoergel.com/trac/pdftank/ | 06:02 |
| kanzure | "Provides a server that proxies PDF searches and caches the found PDFs (e.g., could be useful for a research group to share a bunch of papers)" | 06:03 |
| kanzure | De Novo Designed Proteins from a Library of Artificial Sequences Function in Escherichia Coli and Enable Cell Growth | 06:09 |
| kanzure | abstract: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0015364 | 06:09 |
| kanzure | pdf: http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObjectAttachment.action;jsessionid=4C113C56B3F47B4F2F794E3EC9843F55.ambra02?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0015364&representation=PDF | 06:09 |
| kanzure | processor's and moore's law http://www.thefulfillment.org/chatlogs/112010_MooresLaw.htm | 06:11 |
| kanzure | the 'singularity studies' course from rutgers has recordings up (but using elluminate.com/some java crap) | 06:12 |
| kanzure | https://docs.google.com/View?id=dcnbnm5x_1025hsnhccc7&pli=1 | 06:12 |
| kanzure | normothermic perfusion system for 3d tissue printing http://www.hhmi.org/bulletin/aug2010/features/cell_cultures.html | 06:15 |
| kanzure | watch out, there's multiple hidden pages. | 06:15 |
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| AlonzoTG | om | 06:28 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: i need me some 3d printed keyboards | 06:37 |
| kanzure | and not the qwerty kind | 06:37 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm using a microcrap natural keyboard... | 06:38 |
| AlonzoTG | remapped to a dvorak layout. =P | 06:38 |
| AlonzoTG | but it's a mega-shitty membrane design internally. | 06:38 |
| kanzure | yeah not cool. | 06:39 |
| AlonzoTG | spilled some milk on it once and I had to totally re-build it. =\ | 06:40 |
| kanzure | i really like the idea of alternative keyboards | 06:40 |
| AlonzoTG | Even dell keyboards have fluid channels. | 06:40 |
| kanzure | 'data hands' doesn't particularly bring any advantages | 06:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.compkeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/WindowsLiveWriter/ComputerKeyboardofTheFuture_F50/Data-Hand-Keyboard%5B9%5D.jpg | 06:40 |
| AlonzoTG | I still have an old split keyboard I bought back in '97, the contacts are corroded though... logged 2 million keystrokes on that thing! | 06:40 |
| AlonzoTG | there is the kinesis keyboard but it's weird and pricey. | 06:41 |
| kanzure | looks like yet another ergonomic-qwerty clone | 06:41 |
| kanzure | http://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/kinesis-layout.jpg | 06:42 |
| AlonzoTG | hafto hit the road, going to the bank, gonna set aside another $710 for my robotics project and convert a substantial portion of my savings for my electric car project to gold. | 06:43 |
| kanzure | there's also the maltron.. http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2009/05/15/maltron-lefthand-keyboard1_oSrQO_17621.jpg | 06:43 |
| AlonzoTG | I have the extremely good fortune of having two fully operational hands. | 06:44 |
| kanzure | fenn: ping. don't crap out on me :x | 06:54 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: so, i figure guitar players commonly do more than 12 movements per second | 06:56 |
| kanzure | 12 characters per second is about what i max out at when typing on qwerty | 06:56 |
| kanzure | with the right keyboard design i'm wondering if that can be bumped up to 20 cps | 06:56 |
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| fenn | don't get your panties in a wad, jeez. am i not allowed to sleep? | 07:08 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 07:14 |
| fenn | jaydugger, don't you normally get up much earlier? | 07:17 |
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| Lukas____ | Good morning | 08:05 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, Lukas. | 08:08 |
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| delinquentme | ITS GOOOOOOD TO BE ALIVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! | 08:33 |
| * delinquentme :D | 08:33 | |
| Lukas____ | ? | 08:40 |
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| gloop | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/01/07/1444242/DIY-FireHero-Project this gave me the idea to do instead A real DIY fire extinguisher tech | 08:54 |
| gloop | or at least suggesr | 08:56 |
| gloop | suggest* | 08:56 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, and anyone else .. looking for a code minimizer??? | 09:11 |
| fenn | i want a code maximizer | 09:14 |
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| fenn | so wait a minute, we still don't use any compression at all on non-image web content? | 10:00 |
| fenn | by "we" i mean the human race | 10:00 |
| Utopiah | CPU vs. transfert, I say it's an ISP conspiration | 10:01 |
| fenn | i dont get why a 'code minimizer' would exist at all | 10:03 |
| fenn | apparently gzip compression has been standard since netscape 3 | 10:04 |
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| Lukas____ | Have you guys heard about the recent mass deaths of birds around the world? | 10:32 |
| strages | yeah, odd stuff | 10:37 |
| Lukas____ | really odd stuff | 10:37 |
| Lukas____ | I would assume it was some sort of new avian flu | 10:37 |
| Lukas____ | but that doesn't explain the fish | 10:38 |
| Lukas____ | or crabs | 10:38 |
| Lukas____ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110107/ap_on_sc/us_sci_dead_wildlife_fact_check | 10:40 |
| Lukas____ | which makes me feel slightly better | 10:40 |
| Lukas____ | ... slightly | 10:40 |
| Utopiah | http://www.who.int/csr/don/en/ | 10:40 |
| Lukas____ | O>o | 10:43 |
| Lukas____ | O.o | 10:43 |
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| timschmidt | kanzure: design away, I'll print | 11:36 |
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| fenn | ho um. tell me what you think timschmidt https://gist.github.com/770096 | 13:05 |
| kanzure | fenn@users.sourceforge.net what? | 13:06 |
| kanzure | 'skdb spec 0.0.0' definitely should be 'skdb open source hardware spec' or something in the title | 13:06 |
| fenn | this is a pastebin | 13:07 |
| kanzure | data format: package: naming conventions, how about -. and lowercase-only ? | 13:09 |
| fenn | - fucks up python package names, i dont see a reason to have both - and _ | 13:10 |
| fenn | . is acceptable | 13:10 |
| fenn | lowercase only is possibly fascist | 13:10 |
| kanzure | i don't know if these should be python packages or not | 13:10 |
| fenn | well, you're wrong | 13:10 |
| fenn | have to write the code in some language | 13:11 |
| kanzure | "the code" what code, though? | 13:11 |
| fenn | the code that actually does something with this data | 13:11 |
| fenn | this is supposed to be a functioning system, not OCD compliant art | 13:11 |
| kanzure | specifying that a package must start with an alphanumeric might be nice btw | 13:11 |
| kanzure | __~~~EASY-EEG~~~~__<3__JACOB_ShIaCh.git | 13:12 |
| kanzure | hahah | 13:12 |
| kanzure | how pissed off would you be if people ignore yaml tagging and python script writing? | 13:14 |
| kanzure | so far getting them to put CAD files or openscad scripts in git repos has been a challenge itself | 13:14 |
| fenn | the package just wouldn't work, and it wouldnt pass the (hypothetical) validator | 13:14 |
| fenn | but it's still better than having photos of crayon drawings posted as comments to a blog | 13:15 |
| fenn | i guess i should write more about desired data formats | 13:15 |
| kanzure | nah let's be realistic.. iphone pics of crayon drawings posted as attachments sent to diybio@googlegroups.com :P | 13:16 |
| kanzure | at the very least, python scripts that have a class representing the object should be optional.. | 13:16 |
| kanzure | (in which case metadata->required->classes should be moved to metadata->optional->classes) | 13:17 |
| kanzure | do you strongly believe dependencies should be optional?? | 13:17 |
| fenn | if classes are required for the package to work, it should be in the metadata | 13:20 |
| fenn | if the package has no code, there are no classes required | 13:20 |
| kanzure | "if you think it has no dependencies you are probably wrong" | 13:21 |
| * fenn writes more about templates | 13:21 | |
| kanzure | why is this on pastebin? | 13:22 |
| fenn | where do i push skdb.git to these days? | 13:22 |
| kanzure | diyhpl.us:/srv/git/skdb.git | 13:22 |
| fenn | oh, that's gnusha? | 13:23 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:23 |
| kanzure | gnusha.org still works.. sorry about the confusion | 13:23 |
| fenn | yeah my irssi/screen is running on gnusha | 13:23 |
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| kanzure | hrm skdb.git doesn't seem to be managed by piny.. so if you have some trouble pushing due to permissions i'll go fix things | 13:24 |
| fenn | error: insufficient permission for adding an object to repository database ./objects | 13:28 |
| kanzure | now the real challenge: should i just switch to piny or should i chmod/chgrp the hell out of things | 13:28 |
| kanzure | chattr too i guess | 13:28 |
| fenn | i dont think chmod/chgrp ever worked right, as when you add new objects they eventually end up in new directories which are not set g+wx by default | 13:31 |
| kanzure | ok try pushing now | 13:32 |
| fenn | there must be some other solution than piny because this seems like a common problem and piny is not very popular | 13:32 |
| fenn | ok | 13:32 |
| kanzure | probably gitosis *shrug* | 13:32 |
| fenn | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/doc/package_spec.yaml | 13:33 |
| kanzure | or gitolite https://github.com/sitaramc/gitolite/ | 13:33 |
| kanzure | fenn: again, what's with the sourceforge.net email address? | 13:33 |
| fenn | um, so when i start getting a zillion spam messages a day i can turn it off? | 13:33 |
| fenn | it forwards to my regular email | 13:34 |
| fenn | this file will be in plaintext on the web | 13:34 |
| kanzure | oh in 43ac59374f14f6a5b0b546257405b211deab86a1 it seems that i decided i hated periods in package names | 13:35 |
| fenn | i dunno how all these free software people deal with spam | 13:35 |
| kanzure | i was probably doing that because of a silly web front-end though | 13:35 |
| fenn | silly web front-end is a valid use case | 13:35 |
| fenn | i dont really see any reason to allow stupid names with punctuation in them | 13:35 |
| kanzure | well silly because of some choices i made about the url parsing.. anyway | 13:35 |
| kanzure | linux-kernel-image-2.6.32? | 13:36 |
| fenn | exactly | 13:36 |
| kanzure | reprap-darwin-3.0holycrapwehaveversionnumbers | 13:36 |
| fenn | why the fuck is there a version number in the package name | 13:36 |
| kanzure | so you can get older releases | 13:36 |
| fenn | you can already do that | 13:36 |
| kanzure | oh right. linux-kernel-image=whatever | 13:36 |
| fenn | apt-get install linux-image=2.6.32 | 13:36 |
| fenn | i can almost see the rationale for names like libc6 | 13:37 |
| kanzure | oh btw what about BOMs | 13:37 |
| fenn | uh. i think the idea is to be able to specify a particular part in another package, which will contain more info about it like how to make it or where to buy it | 13:38 |
| fenn | i hate BOM's which are like "you need this mouser part number" and have no wiggle room | 13:38 |
| kanzure | dependencies::build states that it's not for BOM-entries so where should it be put? | 13:39 |
| kanzure | i agree that putting down parts numbers isn't the most useful thing in the world in terms of options | 13:39 |
| kanzure | but | 13:39 |
| kanzure | people do have this information and providing it wuold be nice | 13:39 |
| fenn | yeah but that should go with the part you're referring to, not as a reference in and of itself | 13:40 |
| kanzure | in reality i bet we'll only be able to get them to provide .csv files instead of their spreadsheet files | 13:40 |
| kanzure | i imagine there are many potential BOM entries that packages don't exist for yet | 13:40 |
| fenn | well, you have to write down a description somewhere... might as well be a package | 13:41 |
| kanzure | reprap.git presently has all sorts of crap that should be separated | 13:41 |
| kanzure | true, but for many people these repos will be the only way they are distributing their project | 13:41 |
| kanzure | and BOMs do provide some amount of information whether you want to admit this or not.. | 13:42 |
| fenn | i dont get it. what are you suggesting exactly? | 13:42 |
| kanzure | something be added to package_spec.yaml about BOMs | 13:42 |
| fenn | yeah i didnt get there yet | 13:42 |
| kanzure | oh i thought you were arguing why BOMs shouldn't be in the spec | 13:43 |
| fenn | well, i was sorta, if you mean "here is a list of part numbers you need to make this thing" | 13:43 |
| fenn | it really ought to be "here are a list of possible package choices for this part" and each package can be made to spit out its dependencies recursively | 13:44 |
| fenn | i'm thinking of a package as a part family | 13:44 |
| fenn | something that can be parameterized for different applications but is fundamentally the same idea | 13:44 |
| kanzure | oh man the lack of metadata is killing me http://www.inventables.com/technologies/micro-suction-adhesive | 13:45 |
| kanzure | on the other hand, fenn, | 13:45 |
| kanzure | we have people like reprap-core-team or whatever who have no interest in splitting off their subprojects | 13:45 |
| kanzure | like for individual servos or pcb boards etc. | 13:45 |
| kanzure | (hrm i guess pcb board designs should be in the same package) | 13:46 |
| kanzure | so people are going to (1) not include a BOM since it's not demanded and (2) also not create lots of extra crap packages that they care less about | 13:46 |
| fenn | reprap core is precisely the people who need this | 13:46 |
| fenn | they have like 75% design reuse but it's copied all over the place with tiny modifications | 13:47 |
| Lukas____ | Sorry to interject, but is this a good website? http://projecteuler.net/ | 13:48 |
| fenn | Lukas____: if you like nerd traps | 13:48 |
| Lukas____ | xD | 13:48 |
| Lukas____ | nerd traps? | 13:48 |
| kanzure | you should go play some netwar games or something haha | 13:48 |
| fenn | Lukas____: http://xkcd.com/356/ | 13:48 |
| fenn | forewarned is forearmed | 13:49 |
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| kanzure | czar fenn | 13:49 |
| Lukas____ | :D | 13:49 |
| Lukas____ | thanks for the warning | 13:50 |
| fenn | in your case though it'd probably do some good | 13:50 |
| fenn | hard to keep all these new people straight | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i need to put meetlog.txt parsing on a recurring cronjob | 13:51 |
| Lukas____ | ?_? | 13:52 |
| kanzure | Lukas____: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/meetlog/plain/meetlog.txt | 13:54 |
| fenn | huh, apparently there's another ben lipkowitz i didnt know about, taking the total up to 3? | 13:54 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure if this the first explicit name conflict i've had in meetlog.txt or not | 13:57 |
| kanzure | there's a Andrew Bishop <andrew@well.com> that i know via ken goffman | 13:57 |
| kanzure | so uh fenn why is this a yaml file? | 14:01 |
| kanzure | should i bother editing this or are you still making enough changes that the merge conflicts would be a pain in the ass? | 14:08 |
| fenn | it's a yaml file because i started writing it and it sort of looked like a yaml file | 14:09 |
| fenn | i decided learning restructured text was best used as a procrastination tactic for later projects | 14:10 |
| kanzure | good idea | 14:10 |
| fenn | edit away | 14:10 |
| fenn | i wish there were something like etherpad for github | 14:10 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/ether/pad | 14:11 |
| kanzure | not quite the same thing :( | 14:11 |
| fenn | inventables is consistently overpriced | 14:16 |
| kanzure | huh i wrote an skdb/legos tutorial? | 14:22 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/~bryan/irc/skdb-tutorial.html | 14:22 |
| kanzure | not much text there | 14:23 |
| kanzure | probably why i didn't put it anywhere | 14:23 |
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| kanzure | fenn: how do you want to go about plural vs. non-plural dictionary keys in yaml? | 14:33 |
| fenn | uh, systematically | 14:35 |
| kanzure | huh? i mean, maintainers vs. maintainer, and other issues | 14:35 |
| kanzure | "dependency" vs. "dependencies" | 14:35 |
| fenn | well i was thinking about it, and there really should only be one maintainer | 14:35 |
| fenn | if it's possible to have more than one of something, the field name should be plural | 14:36 |
| kanzure | the field name should be plural by default? | 14:36 |
| kanzure | except for package maintainer? | 14:36 |
| fenn | seems to be that way already | 14:37 |
| fenn | what's the point of dual licensing? is it something i should care about? | 14:37 |
| fenn | am thinking i should remove bit about dual licensing | 14:39 |
| kanzure | btw when i made it so you can commit i transferred skdb.git into piny so now there's ikiwiki stuff going on | 14:40 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/skdb/ for now | 14:40 |
| fenn | anyway are you done editing yet | 14:40 |
| kanzure | i'll update apache so gnusha.org/skdb/ can work (which is, i think, a better url for this) | 14:40 |
| fenn | what does piny do exactly? | 14:40 |
| kanzure | provides a set of minor tools like addaccess, rmaccess for adding people/committers to repositories | 14:41 |
| kanzure | gives them a restricted shell (pinyshell) for git-only access and other piny tools | 14:41 |
| fenn | and do we really want to put the code in a web-editable repository? (no) | 14:41 |
| kanzure | you were complaining about skdb not having a web presence | 14:41 |
| kanzure | anyway, ikiwiki isn't configured to let anyone edit the pages/code from that interface anyway | 14:42 |
| kanzure | (you have to be fenn or bryan) | 14:42 |
| kanzure | hold on let me think of a useful commit message | 14:42 |
| kanzure | ok pushed. | 14:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: what line width are you using? line 121 seems a little long | 14:48 |
| kanzure | or: Something seems broken | 14:48 |
| fenn | i dont have automatic line wrapping on, i havent bothered to figure that out yet | 14:51 |
| kanzure | lol paul fernhout is penpals with freeman dyson | 14:52 |
| kanzure | he replies too. | 14:52 |
| kanzure | i can think of some better things to bring to dyson's attention though. | 14:52 |
| gloop | i wrote to him before and wrote me | 14:52 |
| kanzure | like "oh your biotech predictions were correct.. sort of" | 14:52 |
| fenn | i'm still waiting on full spectrum chlorophyll | 14:53 |
| kanzure | or "where's my von neumann probe, astrochicken, or dyson sphere you promised us" | 14:53 |
| fenn | yeah, screw jetpacks | 14:53 |
| fenn | WHERE'S MY DYSON SPHERE | 14:53 |
| kanzure | "our biotech future" http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20370 | 14:53 |
| kanzure | "Open Source biology could be a powerful tool, giving us access to cheap and abundant solar energy." so much for dyson spheres | 14:54 |
| fenn | well it's only 2011 | 14:54 |
| kanzure | the man gives up early? say what | 14:55 |
| kanzure | heh | 14:55 |
| gloop | i wrote to him about his wikipedia entry on his views academia and business | 14:55 |
| gloop | yes but there's https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Space-based_solar_power | 14:56 |
| kanzure | why are you guys spamming him? | 14:56 |
| fenn | no i mean we still have 89 years for his predictions to pan out | 14:56 |
| gloop | i didn't. i wrote to him a couple years ago | 14:57 |
| gloop | just a couple times | 14:57 |
| kanzure | i wish carl feynman wasn't so reclusive. | 14:57 |
| kanzure | OH CRAP | 14:58 |
| kanzure | http://www.aleph.se/Trans/ | 14:58 |
| fenn | d'eaux | 14:59 |
| kanzure | i should have scraped a copy | 14:59 |
| kanzure | Anders Sandberg <anders.sandberg@philosophy.ox.ac.uk> | 14:59 |
| kanzure | god what the hell is he doing hanging out with nick bostrom | 14:59 |
| kanzure | he's definitely capable of way more | 14:59 |
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| fenn | hm this is still up http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/ | 15:03 |
| kanzure | crap http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.aleph.se/Trans/ :( | 15:03 |
| kanzure | "Anders' Transhuman Page" is the one that matters sorta | 15:04 |
| fenn | i dont remember that | 15:04 |
| kanzure | "data retrieval error" on the wayback machine :/ | 15:04 |
| fenn | data retrieval error | 15:04 |
| kanzure | fenn: it's been the best resource on transhumanism since forever | 15:04 |
| kanzure | here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080724041257/www.aleph.se/Trans/ | 15:06 |
| * kanzure scrapes | 15:07 | |
| superkuh | Ah. I remember this site. | 15:07 |
| superkuh | I think it was one of the first I encountered on the subject. | 15:07 |
| fenn | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nHeZRfCFiUsJ:www.aleph.se/Trans/+aleph.se/Trans&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | 15:08 |
| kanzure | crud all of his links are relative links | 15:08 |
| fenn | how does one scrape the google cache? | 15:08 |
| kanzure | one does not navigate google cache effectively.. if you find a page, you're lucky to find is neighbors | 15:09 |
| kanzure | *its neighbors | 15:09 |
| kanzure | wget --base doesn't seem to help | 15:09 |
| fenn | i guess i could click on every 'cached' link on http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=+site:aleph.se+aleph.se/Trans&sa=X&ei=sJ0nTeHWMcqr8AaLhPDqAQ&ved=0CAIQqAQwBQ&fp=ca05a7bb65e82229 | 15:12 |
| fenn | but that seems kinda dumb | 15:12 |
| superkuh | http://www.removead.tu2.ru/ | 15:13 |
| superkuh | Oh. It doesn't work. | 15:14 |
| superkuh | Nevermind. | 15:14 |
| fenn | looks like it might have worked at some point | 15:14 |
| superkuh | They've run out of disk space for temp files. | 15:14 |
| Lukas____ | Hey guys | 15:19 |
| Lukas____ | I have a random word of advice | 15:19 |
| Lukas____ | DO NOT HAVE KIDS | 15:19 |
| Lukas____ | thanks for listening | 15:19 |
| Lukas____ | :D | 15:19 |
| fenn | i think you should put more effort into choosing your audience | 15:22 |
| Lukas____ | sorry guys | 15:22 |
| Lukas____ | it just had to be said | 15:22 |
| kanzure | file:///h:/alephweb/Trans/Tech/General | 15:24 |
| fenn | was that on purpose? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | just a link i found on his site *shrug* | 15:24 |
| kanzure | (threw off my scraper) | 15:24 |
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| fenn | you're scraping google cache? or what? | 15:25 |
| kanzure | web.archive.org | 15:25 |
| fenn | i thought archive wasn't working | 15:25 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/2008/www.aleph.se/Trans/ | 15:25 |
| kanzure | picking a date helps | 15:25 |
| kanzure | (sometimes) | 15:25 |
| fenn | hm weird. so their date index thingy was having problems | 15:26 |
| fenn | oo with pictures even | 15:26 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/anders-links.txt | 15:26 |
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| kanzure | oh fooey i'm not sorting for uniqueness entirely because of the dates in the urls | 15:27 |
| * kanzure grumbles | 15:27 | |
| fenn | hey maybe you should make a version control history of the site | 15:28 |
| fenn | then put it up on gnusha as a hardware package | 15:28 |
| fenn | transtech.git | 15:28 |
| kanzure | what's a good regex for a 14-digit number | 15:29 |
| fenn | i really hate how chrome truncates urls longer than like 20 characters | 15:29 |
| fenn | web.archive.org/web/.../index.html | 15:29 |
| kanzure | haha 20 characters isn't enough | 15:29 |
| fenn | gee thanks | 15:29 |
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| kanzure | fixed http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/anders-links.txt | 15:30 |
| kanzure | :%s/\(\d\{14}\)/2008/g | 15:31 |
| fenn | apparently python re doesn't like {14} | 15:33 |
| fenn | oh nm i was using groups() wrong | 15:34 |
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| fenn | your "delete the 14 number element of the url" strategy won't work because most of the files can't be downloaded by simply adding web/2008/ | 15:41 |
| fenn | or they werent indexed in 2008 or something | 15:41 |
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| kanzure | i think this is a good enough approximation of publicly linked files | 15:43 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/anders-links.txt | 15:43 |
| kanzure | (updated) | 15:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: internet archive treats /20080101/ as a request to just go find the closest matching date it can | 15:44 |
| kanzure | instead of that silly index page where you click dates | 15:44 |
| kanzure | cat links6.txt | grep aleph | grep -v "#" | sort | uniq | sed 's/www\.aleph\.se\.wstub\.archive\.org/web\.archive\.org\/web\/2008\/www\.aleph\.se/' | sed 's/\([0-9]\)\{14\}/2008/g' | sort | uniq > links7.txt | 15:44 |
| kanzure | evidence that i am getting lazy | 15:44 |
| kanzure | oh fooey | 15:47 |
| kanzure | since when does it 404 on providing a timestamp | 15:47 |
| fenn | suppsedly 27686 pages on aleph.se | 15:49 |
| kanzure | i wonder how i grabbed these links if all of the pages are erroring | 15:49 |
| fenn | i only got 32 out of the 207 links | 15:52 |
| fenn | maybe it's just that archive is being flaky | 15:52 |
| kanzure | archive.org hasn't indexed my site since 2008 (or at least, hasn't claimed it has indexed my site) | 15:55 |
| fenn | they delay posting results on purpose | 16:03 |
| kanzure | i was able to get the 2008 stuff on internet archive for heybryan.org back in 2008. | 16:04 |
| kanzure | fenn: were you going to push changes? | 16:06 |
| fenn | "You can pack the Zip Drive up and take it wherever you want. It gives you unlimited hard-drive capacity. I should have bought my own by now, but maybe I'll get one for Newtonmas (Newtonmas is the transhuman winter holiday. Sir Isaac Newton was born Dec. 25.) | 16:10 |
| kanzure | festivus for the rest of us | 16:11 |
| fenn | festivus makes me think of stoners pigging out on cheetos | 16:12 |
| ybit | cheetos you say? | 16:16 |
| ybit | http://battleofthecheetos.com/ | 16:17 |
| ybit | ignore the opening phrase about cheetos, and this video might make you happy | 16:17 |
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| fenn | seems to be some kind of real time strategy game | 16:28 |
| fenn | extremely sluggish one at that | 16:28 |
| ybit | i was checking out how various sites embed video and stumbled across this | 16:32 |
| ybit | i like the 'battle for the internet' part, that's all :) | 16:32 |
| ybit | ..with little cheetos hopping around, it's kind of funny :) | 16:33 |
| kanzure | video is usually embedded with lots of stupid flash | 16:34 |
| kanzure | hopefully html5 will fix this | 16:34 |
| gloop | yeah it doesn't run on my netbook fast | 16:37 |
| gloop | is it made by the cheeto company | 16:38 |
| gloop | viral marketing? | 16:38 |
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| fenn | do you really have to ask... | 16:39 |
| gloop | http://wonder-tonic.com/goodwillhunting/ | 16:40 |
| fenn | i suppose this would be interpreted as funny if i had seen that movie | 16:42 |
| fenn | then again, maybe not | 16:42 |
| fenn | oh i see, 4chan fallout | 16:43 |
| gloop | there's a youtube clip, but seeing the whole movie maybe makes it funnier | 16:44 |
| gloop | https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBEQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXOVS_SYyXe8&ei=sLMnTamHId_mnQeH3ZSuAQ&usg=AFQjCNHbVvHhOhdGDXqjpi1sQtt1KMYskw&sig2=W2EGzxTEYRhN-4Ua-n8KDw | 16:45 |
| * fenn pokes cia | 16:48 | |
| kanzure | was i the one that configured cia? | 16:51 |
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| kanzure | fenn: people will probably be doing really funky things in dependencies->software.. like asking for python eggs, ruby gems, debs, rpms, etc. :/ | 17:07 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: is there any particular reason /srv/git/skdb.git/hooks/post-update is a binary file? | 17:16 |
| jrayhawk | Yes, it needs to be suid. | 17:16 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i was going to enable http://cia.vc/clients/git/ciabot.pl | 17:17 |
| kanzure | which is in /home/gnusha/scripts/ciabot.pl | 17:17 |
| kanzure | but now i am confused. | 17:17 |
| jrayhawk | Ah, I don't know what version of piny you're on. You might have to move the ikiwiki wrapper over to post-update-ikiwiki (and in /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup) and put CIA in post-update-cia and then make a new post-update that calls those two. | 17:19 |
| kanzure | is post-update presently the ikiwiki post-update? | 17:20 |
| jrayhawk | Unless you've done something else. | 17:20 |
| kanzure | no | 17:20 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 17:25 |
| jrayhawk | Modern piny has the ability to rebuild setup files; if you upgrade to that, you'll want to use pinyconfig to set the location of the post-update script in the git config and then rebuild. | 17:26 |
| kanzure | should i be storing my custom post-update files somewhere other than skdb.git/hooks then? | 17:27 |
| kanzure | 'd be a shame if something were to overwrite all 10sec of my work.. | 17:27 |
| jrayhawk | You might want to link it somewhere else. | 17:29 |
| jrayhawk | like post-update-kanzure or something | 17:29 |
| kanzure | is there a convenient way to check this without significantly fucking up git? | 17:31 |
| jrayhawk | I'll go take a look at it... | 17:33 |
| jrayhawk | you still need to change the setup file | 17:34 |
| jrayhawk | and you'll want absolute paths for post-update | 17:34 |
| jrayhawk | is update-server-info really necessary for anything? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | which setup file in particular? | 17:39 |
| kanzure | how do i make sure post-update-ciabot gets the parameters it wants? | 17:40 |
| kanzure | my query: 'git "post-update" ciabot' | 17:43 |
| kanzure | google gives me: http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-07-18.log | 17:43 |
| ybit | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/Conference_Recordings | 17:45 |
| jrayhawk | The parameters are environment variables, IIRC | 17:50 |
| jrayhawk | so you should be fine. | 17:50 |
| jrayhawk | /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup is the setup file in question | 17:50 |
| kanzure | why do i need to change the setup file? | 17:51 |
| jrayhawk | Ikiwiki will try to rebuild it at some point. | 17:51 |
| jrayhawk | s/it/that wrapper/ | 17:52 |
| kanzure | oh hm you said that about 30min ago and it went out one ear | 17:52 |
| kanzure | so i don't really understand what you're telling me to change in skdb.setup | 17:53 |
| jrayhawk | You have moved the git wrapper. | 17:53 |
| kanzure | if piny will rebuild post-update then we're all doomed? | 17:53 |
| kanzure | oh right | 17:53 |
| kanzure | but post-update calls post-update-ikiwiki | 17:53 |
| jrayhawk | Yes. But you want post-update-ikiwiki to be the build product, not post-update. | 17:54 |
| jrayhawk | The setup file will attempt to use post-update until you tell it to use post-update-ikiwiki | 17:54 |
| kanzure | hmph fine | 17:54 |
| jrayhawk | And you're right, ciabot probably expects parameters; use "$@" | 17:54 |
| jrayhawk | With quotes. | 17:55 |
| jrayhawk | For reference, piny does the same thing all over the place: cat /usr/bin/newrepo | 17:57 |
| jrayhawk | oh no wait, maybe that's a terrible idea. ugh. nevermind, you're right. | 18:05 |
| kanzure | huh? | 18:07 |
| kanzure | my test commit didn't work anyway. hrm. | 18:07 |
| jrayhawk | /usr/share/doc/git/contrib/ciabot/ciabot.py might also be of interest | 18:08 |
| kanzure | oh it wants an smtp server to be running | 18:09 |
| kanzure | that's a stupid way to pass commit messages around | 18:09 |
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| jrayhawk | I'd suggest just loading a socket interface into irssi and having post-update echo crap into that socket. | 18:17 |
| jrayhawk | Since you already have gnusha running here anyway. | 18:17 |
| jrayhawk | I can play with making that work if you want. | 18:18 |
| kanzure | cpan -I RPC::XML --> but ciabot.pl still complains that RPC/XML.pm isn't installed | 18:18 |
| kanzure | oh uh that makes more sense | 18:19 |
| kanzure | yes please do that | 18:19 |
| jrayhawk | please stop using cpan | 18:19 |
| jrayhawk | that system has enough problems | 18:20 |
| kanzure | i guess debian probably has packages for most of the cpan modules? | 18:20 |
| jrayhawk | Yes, and a system for building debian packages out of cpan modules anyway. | 18:20 |
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| jrayhawk | cpan doesn't understand the concept of file tracking | 18:21 |
| kanzure | neither does python's distutils (setup.py etc.) | 18:21 |
| kanzure | their concept of 'uninstall' is "use setup.py to build a .deb and then use dpkg to uninstall the .deb" | 18:22 |
| jrayhawk | haha, awesome | 18:22 |
| jrayhawk | The ruby people got militant about their terrible packaging tools and drove one of the primary debian ruby maintainers to give up :( | 18:30 |
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| kanzure | fenn: heh it's back http://web.archive.org/web/20080724041257/www.aleph.se/Trans/ | 19:31 |
| kanzure | i also really appreciate the hotbot search form.. takes me back to the 90s | 19:32 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: thoughts/comments on http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/package_spec.yaml ? | 20:07 |
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| timschmidt | it seems like skdb should have a solid concept of transformations - built-in or external commands / scripts / utilities that can be run against a given source file to produce a given result | 20:11 |
| timschmidt | rendering a CAD file, converting between image formats, translating between interchangeable languages, toolpathing, etc. | 20:12 |
| kanzure | what we were doing was python scripts in each package that would have a class describing extra methods and calculations for the part | 20:12 |
| kanzure | fenn wants to put this into the spec more thoroughly | 20:13 |
| kanzure | there are certain advantages to forcing python-- i.e., every .git skdb package is also a python module and can be imported | 20:13 |
| timschmidt | sure. No particular problem with that | 20:13 |
| kanzure | on the other hand, you can make python modules via writing a wrapper for each .git skdb package and the wrapper just calls scripts to deal with the package contents itself (same result) | 20:13 |
| timschmidt | I wonder to what level the code should reside entirely within the package though | 20:13 |
| timschmidt | it might be useful to have some "built-in" methods, for lack of proper terminology | 20:14 |
| kanzure | did you see the screw or lego packages? | 20:14 |
| timschmidt | not yet | 20:14 |
| timschmidt | anyway, implementation details | 20:14 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/packages?id=7c5d86b5e179849c6b208abbfaf9485fbc4c5f8c | 20:15 |
| timschmidt | not really necessary to argue over now | 20:15 |
| kanzure | lego: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/packages/lego?id=7c5d86b5e179849c6b208abbfaf9485fbc4c5f8c | 20:15 |
| kanzure | screw: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/packages/screw?id=7c5d86b5e179849c6b208abbfaf9485fbc4c5f8c | 20:15 |
| kanzure | "screw.py" is what fenn is proposing we standardize/force for each package | 20:15 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/packages/screw/screw.py?id=7c5d86b5e179849c6b208abbfaf9485fbc4c5f8c | 20:16 |
| kanzure | however, there's no reasonable way (iirc) specify what the methods of "class Screw" should be | 20:16 |
| timschmidt | I will look it over closer tonight | 20:16 |
| kanzure | *to specify | 20:16 |
| * timschmidt is in the middle of some other programming | 20:16 | |
| kanzure | in the sense of knowing in advance which methods to look for that might give you some sort of result | 20:17 |
| kanzure | (other than just looking through __doc__ strings and parsing out metadata, or using @wrappers that modify methods by adding particular attributes) | 20:17 |
| timschmidt | right | 20:19 |
| kanzure | 20:48:10 omg/jblake: yeah i'm not really going to think about that for now, but if you intend to distribute these packages then you probably don't want to store them as a git repo without a particularly good reason | 20:50 |
| kanzure | 20:50:07 omg/jblake: a git bundle back to the initial commit is probably a way better package choice, especially as it still allows incremental updates in the way you'd d probably like to get out of a git repo | 20:50 |
| kanzure | http://blogs.forbes.com/davidewalt/2011/01/07/the-makerbot-is-best-at-ces/ | 21:01 |
| gnusha | test | 21:14 |
| kanzure | test test | 21:17 |
| gnusha | test | 21:19 |
| jrayhawk | So if you adduser bryan gnusha and relogin, you can echo 'command /msg ##hplusroadmap test' | socat STDIO UNIX-CONNECT:/home/gnusha/.irssi/socket | 21:20 |
| jrayhawk | I can make that socket writable by anyone in the skdb group, or I can make a more restrictive sudo wrapper. | 21:21 |
| jrayhawk | Up to you. | 21:21 |
| kanzure | anyone in skdb group is fine | 21:21 |
| kanzure | btw i also think hard coding a call like that in a post-update hook in skdb.git/hooks/ is fine | 21:22 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, that would be the plan at that point | 21:22 |
| jrayhawk | There's theoretically a POSIX shell way of writing to sockets, but it's horrifyingly obscure so I'm just going to avoid it. | 21:23 |
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| kanzure | http://blog.thingiverse.com/2011/01/03/2011-and-making-the-world/ | 21:33 |
| kanzure | http://blog.thingiverse.com/2011/01/07/openscad-modules-and-loops/ | 21:33 |
| jrayhawk | If you could push an arbitrary test commit, that'd be useful. | 21:34 |
| kanzure | ok done | 21:36 |
| jrayhawk | hmm, that's too bad. | 21:36 |
| jrayhawk | Any errors? | 21:36 |
| kanzure | not on this end | 21:36 |
| kanzure | if you want to revert skdb.git so i could reuse this test commit instead of making increasingly worthless commits, that'd be cool. | 21:37 |
| jrayhawk | I can turn off denyNonFastForwards and you can just push the older head. | 21:38 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i'm about to fall asleep so i'm not too reliable right now | 21:38 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, I can probably do that myself. | 21:39 |
| kanzure | exponentially declining reliability curve | 21:39 |
| kanzure | GIT_REPO=//dev/skdb.git/ git config repo.receiveDenyNonFastForward ZERO | 21:39 |
| kanzure | one last thing before i sleep.. on duckduckgo.com, these are the two few results for "apt-get for hardware" | 21:40 |
| kanzure | 1) texas linux fest 2010 | apt-get for hardware | 21:40 |
| kanzure | 2) twitter.com/contraptor | 21:40 |
| kanzure | 3) heybryan.org | 21:40 |
| kanzure | 4) kanzure - MaiOtaku Anime Dating (WTF?) | 21:40 |
| kanzure | 5) hackerspaces.org/wiki/Software_Wish_List | 21:41 |
| kanzure | 6) michaelnielsen.org/blog/2009/10/ | 21:41 |
| kanzure | amusing. | 21:41 |
| kanzure | http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~nv89-nun/offloading/trans_tech | 21:44 |
| kanzure | fascinating.. duckduckgo.com found http://transhumanism.org/index.php/th/ | 21:44 |
| gnusha | 84ae223 i probably shouldn't be writing specifications this late at night | 22:10 |
| jrayhawk | Eh, you can fiddle with it from there if you care. | 22:10 |
| kanzure | thank you :) | 22:15 |
| kanzure | links aren't fixed here but at least it's something: | 22:15 |
| kanzure | http://anders.diyhpl.us/ | 22:15 |
| kanzure | or the files: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/backup_anders.tar.gz | 22:16 |
| kanzure | in case you want all of the separate timestamped versions that the internet archive had: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/backup_anders_web.archive.org.tar.gz | 22:16 |
| kanzure | hm i should have grabbed images | 22:20 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 22:20 | |
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| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20061026124118/www.benturner.com/genesis/poem_genesis.html | 22:26 |
| kanzure | "(an epic poem of 10,000 lines about the terraforming of Mars. This scene describes a spaceship made of a living tree)" | 22:26 |
| * kanzure really sleeps | 22:27 | |
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