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| joshcryer | What color defines h+? | 00:04 |
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| jrayhawk | Goo grey. | 01:36 |
| jrayhawk | http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/Pictures/Photo9459.katalypics145.jpg Huh, that's, like, two miles south of me. | 01:50 |
| jrayhawk | *stalks bkero* | 01:50 |
| bkero | 'eh? | 01:50 |
| bkero | That's about two miles west of me. | 01:51 |
| jrayhawk | We can be coincidental geographical proximity buddies! | 01:51 |
| bkero | I'm in Beaverton near Cedar Hills | 01:52 |
| jrayhawk | I'm up by Kaiser and Germantown. | 01:52 |
| bkero | That picture is old, when I was looking for housing for my intel internship. | 01:52 |
| bkero | That's two miles southwest of you, I'm two miles south. | 01:53 |
| joshcryer | like this jrayhawk? http://i.imgur.com/jh2Mv.png :P | 01:55 |
| bkero | wut | 01:55 |
| joshcryer | going to make an animation with it, it transitions nicely from an h to a + (geometrically cleanly) | 01:55 |
| bkero | ah | 01:55 |
| jrayhawk | Maybe you can use some of lepht's self-mutilation pictures as a texture for it. | 01:59 |
| jrayhawk | Make it really catch the eye. | 02:00 |
| joshcryer | oh she released some? | 02:02 |
| jrayhawk | bkero: so what are/were you working on at Intel? | 02:02 |
| joshcryer | linky? ;P | 02:02 |
| jrayhawk | Huh, I was hoping pictures would show up after her talk | 02:05 |
| joshcryer | I have the high res (720 x 576) version but she is hyper and moves too much to really get a good shot of her | 02:06 |
| jrayhawk | Ugh. Why does she have to make it so difficult for us to troll Bryan :( | 02:09 |
| joshcryer | I thought we had a Lepht cease fire after you explained she wasn't a guy heh | 02:10 |
| bkero | jrayhawk: I was working in engineering computing over there, writing automation for cluster nodes. | 02:10 |
| bkero | cfEngine to be exact, configuration management. :) | 02:10 |
| jrayhawk | This is with the OTC, or cold, cruel normal Intel? | 02:13 |
| jrayhawk | OTC/OSTC | 02:14 |
| jrayhawk | And what are you up to now? | 02:15 |
| bkero | OTC? No | 02:18 |
| bkero | Unix Ops | 02:18 |
| jrayhawk | Bummer. | 02:19 |
| joshcryer | here's what a render looks like bkero: http://i.imgur.com/HqXXh.jpg | 02:24 |
| jrayhawk | Well, since my normal bad taste approach isn't available, how about lenseflares and clashing saturated color specular lighting? | 02:27 |
| joshcryer | hehe | 02:27 |
| joshcryer | it's going to be metal, then glass then molecules, you'll see it'll be l33t | 02:28 |
| jrayhawk | chrome above a checkerboard floor | 02:28 |
| Utopiah | even more classical today, progression from DNA strands to silicon layout? | 02:29 |
| joshcryer | possibly | 02:30 |
| joshcryer | it's going to be the intro to an h+ advocacy video | 02:30 |
| joshcryer | made with snippets from the best soundbytes that exist | 02:30 |
| archels | sounds interesting | 02:37 |
| bkero | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8c0tDzyKlA | 02:47 |
| joshcryer | wow, certainly blew the engine on that | 02:59 |
| joshcryer | can tell he has no respect for the vehicle given the window | 02:59 |
| jrayhawk | Burning out on an open diff is more likely to grenade the transaxle than the engine. | 03:03 |
| joshcryer | The flywheel flew up, one of the comments says that he rebuilt it successfully, though. | 03:04 |
| jrayhawk | Oh hey, yeah. That's impressive. | 03:05 |
| * joshcryer watches Truman Show after seeing the latest SNL with Jim Carrey. | 03:11 | |
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| Lukas___ | http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/im-pc-why-transhumanism-will-fail | 04:42 |
| mjr | wanker, though correct in the concern with authoritarian development in tech | 04:44 |
| Utopiah | provocative title, opens with Macs, closes with Mac, should I really read it? | 04:45 |
| mjr | not really | 04:46 |
| Lukas___ | It is a few paragraphs | 04:48 |
| Lukas___ | I think it makes some good points | 04:54 |
| joshcryer | Why is hplusmagazine publishing retarded shit like this? | 04:58 |
| Lukas___ | xD | 04:59 |
| Lukas___ | I take it you disagree | 04:59 |
| joshcryer | The technical know how problem is a problem of tools. | 05:01 |
| joshcryer | It has no relevance to hardware, and it has very little relevance to the rather young DIY transhumanism movement. | 05:01 |
| joshcryer | Until open hardware is being manufactured (at all steps of the process) there exist simply no data to go by. | 05:02 |
| joshcryer | It's a nice Mac bashing post, and I enjoy those oh so very much, but in the end it's just a really poor metaphor. | 05:02 |
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| joshcryer | Progress is being made, incrementally, slowly on information age time scales, but extremely fast as far as progress is concerned. | 05:04 |
| joshcryer | When he wrote "We're faced with two transhumanisms." I thought we were going to finally get a coherent metaphor. | 05:04 |
| joshcryer | The Kurzweil guys vs the DIY guys. | 05:05 |
| joshcryer | Kurzweil thinks it's happening regardless, with big corporations running the show. | 05:05 |
| joshcryer | DIY think maybe we can make it happen faster (if not prevent catastrophe by ourselves having the tech). | 05:05 |
| Lukas___ | That is what I got from it as well | 05:06 |
| joshcryer | But the metaphor he makes falls utterly flat because it is missing data and ignoring the real progress that PC users are making (the distinction no longer exists because hackers aren't using their Mac's like Mac-heads are). | 05:06 |
| joshcryer | In the end I'd say DIY h+ is actually extremely difficult, period, done, end of debate. And that ultimately we need to improve our toolsets (like kanzure is attempting with, I believe he's calling it 'gitduino' now, aka apt-get open hardware). | 05:07 |
| joshcryer | I'm a huge software advocate and I believe that that's where progress is going to show itself the most. | 05:08 |
| mjr | you advocate software bloat, then? ;] | 05:08 |
| joshcryer | Nah, just software that is smarter and easier to use. | 05:08 |
| joshcryer | ie, Button Press h+. | 05:08 |
| mjr | sure | 05:08 |
| mjr | just, you know, parsed that ((huge software) advocate), "heh heh" | 05:09 |
| joshcryer | You want to design a chair you screw around with advanced procedural design patterns and pow, you can do it. Your mom can do it. A 5 year old kid can do it. | 05:09 |
| joshcryer | Your mom cannot, in fact, make a coffee cup with a RepRap. | 05:10 |
| joshcryer | Even if you gave her the tools, everything she needed. | 05:10 |
| mjr | True. She's too dead. | 05:10 |
| joshcryer | Even if you sat there for 20 minutes working on it. | 05:10 |
| joshcryer | Aw, sorry, didn't mean anything by that. | 05:10 |
| mjr | Yeah I know, nevermind. | 05:10 |
| joshcryer | Did you put her in cryonics? | 05:10 |
| joshcryer | Heh, my mom still emails me her law documents to put into APA format. | 05:11 |
| mjr | no, and it was last century anyways | 05:11 |
| joshcryer | Only takes me 2 minutes, and, well, let me just admit that it took me hours upon hours to learn every freaking thing about APA format and Blue Book citation. | 05:11 |
| joshcryer | It's actually rather absurd how much time I spent learning it. | 05:11 |
| mjr | (and there's no handy-dandy-easy cryonics around here yet anyway, Kriorus is near for storage though) | 05:11 |
| joshcryer | And I have absolutely no use for it (that's the worst thing for me, learning something I will never use for myself). | 05:12 |
| joshcryer | mjr, hope it's not a touchy subject, I mention cryonics whenever I can. | 05:12 |
| mjr | no it's not | 05:12 |
| joshcryer | My dad is dead, but my mom is still kicking. | 05:13 |
| mjr | I make necrophiliac jokes in response to fucked-your-mom jokes and all. You see, my humor is Finnish. | 05:13 |
| joshcryer | I like Finns. | 05:14 |
| joshcryer | The worlds best hackers. | 05:14 |
| joshcryer | That's not really a debate. | 05:14 |
| Lukas___ | heh | 05:16 |
| Lukas___ | Didn't know that | 05:16 |
| joshcryer | Look at the hackers behind the PS3 hack... | 05:17 |
| Lukas___ | So what exactly is gitduino? | 05:17 |
| joshcryer | <jrayhawk> You've been making noises like you want to make your bastard django/piny thing happen under the name gitduino, which would involve some path changes that I could get over with now rather than later. | 05:18 |
| joshcryer | I actually ... don't know. | 05:18 |
| joshcryer | I think that's what they're calling the apt-get thing? | 05:18 |
| joshcryer | I haven't been following what they are working on. | 05:18 |
| joshcryer | http://gitduino.com/ | 05:18 |
| joshcryer | It appears to be the new name for the apt-get open hardware thing? Maybe a repository? | 05:19 |
| joshcryer | I bet the logs reveal the truth but I'm not going to read them, I gotta get to work. :/ | 05:19 |
| joshcryer | Nice name, btw, Arduinos, while nifty, are all over YouTube but mostly lame. ;P | 05:19 |
| joshcryer | I hope Arduino doesn't sue. | 05:19 |
| Lukas___ | Is there anyone else other than Kanzure that is really investing time and energy in DIYh+ ? | 05:20 |
| Lukas___ | He seems to be the only one I really find when combing the internet | 05:21 |
| joshcryer | Oh there's no way Arduino can sue the name is just generalized, nm. | 05:21 |
| Lukas___ | other than Lepht, of course (but that is another discussion) | 05:21 |
| joshcryer | Lukas___, heh, hey, I'm going to make an advocacy video! | 05:21 |
| joshcryer | Lukas___, but no not currently, I'm waiting for winter to be over so I can move. | 05:22 |
| Lukas___ | heh | 05:22 |
| Lukas___ | that is a problem | 05:22 |
| joshcryer | But that's a rather general question. | 05:22 |
| joshcryer | I mean, kanzure might argue DIY h+, but a RepRap guy might argue DIY rapid prototyper. | 05:23 |
| joshcryer | Regardless both of their efforts are going to help h+. | 05:23 |
| joshcryer | Even if the intent isn't there. | 05:23 |
| Lukas___ | True | 05:23 |
| Lukas___ | I was planning on trying to get the science and engineering crowd at my school attracted to the idea of DIYh+ | 05:24 |
| Utopiah | http://www.evolutionarymanifesto.com on cosmological artificial selection and escaping heat death | 05:24 |
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| Lukas___ | but at this point only advocacy is possible, as money alludes me | 05:24 |
| joshcryer | Utopiah, tl;dr version? | 05:24 |
| joshcryer | Lukas___, yeah, well, I figure the best DIY projects are those that minimize the need for regular streams of money. | 05:25 |
| Lukas___ | It looks like another advocacy paper | 05:25 |
| joshcryer | It looks too long for me to read. | 05:25 |
| Lukas___ | I've given up on the whole "The future is changing" type papers / talks | 05:26 |
| Lukas___ | can we actually get something done? | 05:26 |
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| joshcryer | No time soon. | 05:27 |
| joshcryer | 5 years maybe. | 05:27 |
| joshcryer | I gtg | 05:27 |
| joshcryer | Later Lukas___ :D | 05:27 |
| Lukas___ | Later | 05:27 |
| joshcryer | sorry for the mind melting there | 05:27 |
| Lukas___ | :D | 05:27 |
| joshcryer | ranting w/e | 05:27 |
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| Lukas___ | Good morning timschidt | 06:22 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: hplusmagazine is publishing retarded shit because hplusmagazine /is/ retarded | 06:29 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: gitduino is github+thingiverse | 06:30 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: skdb is still what it was | 06:30 |
| Lukas___ | Hello Kanzure | 06:31 |
| kanzure | hi. | 06:36 |
| Lukas___ | Is Tinker Cell any good? | 06:59 |
| kanzure | i haven't used it for a specific project ever. | 07:01 |
| kanzure | but it seemed to install easily enough *shrug* | 07:01 |
| timschmidt | Lukas__: morning | 07:06 |
| Lukas___ | :D | 07:06 |
| Lukas___ | thanks | 07:06 |
| Lukas___ | I'll be using that and Gene Designer | 07:08 |
| kanzure | for what? | 07:09 |
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| Lukas___ | A couple of projects | 07:33 |
| Lukas___ | for now, it's mostly theoretical work | 07:33 |
| Lukas___ | modeling simple systems | 07:33 |
| Lukas___ | prokaryotes, for the most part | 07:34 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 07:36 |
| kanzure | Lukas___: it doesn't sound like you have anything specific yet | 07:36 |
| kanzure | so i recommend you do it by hand without using gene designer or tinkercell until you know what it is that you are doing | 07:36 |
| Lukas___ | ? | 07:49 |
| Lukas___ | That is some serious math | 07:49 |
| kanzure | like what? | 07:50 |
| Lukas___ | Mostly high end Calculus | 08:02 |
| kanzure | can you say anything specific, like "when looking up the sequence for a lac operon, i need to know calculus for xyz" ? | 08:04 |
| Lukas___ | Sorry, I am running back and forth between my computer and the kitchen | 08:06 |
| Lukas___ | I'm trying to fee my little guy | 08:06 |
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| Lukas___ | O.o The idea is to find out a way to model inter-cellular protein-protein interactions, which would require this sort of math: http://www.sbi.uni-rostock.de/dokumente/p_gilles_paper.pdf (knowledge of kinetics, statistics, etc.) | 08:22 |
| Lukas___ | then again, it is stupid to think I could try to do this now, as the math requirements to even start are .... | 08:23 |
| Lukas___ | hefty | 08:23 |
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| kanzure | Lukas___: i took some notes on the gillespie algorithm a few years ago.. http://heybryan.org/winfree.html | 09:16 |
| kanzure | i was working off of 'Robust stochastic chemical reaction networks and bounded Tau-leaping' http://www.dna.caltech.edu/Papers/soloveichik_robust_CRN2009arxiv.pdf | 09:17 |
| Lukas___ | O.o You are a well learned man, Kanzure | 09:19 |
| Lukas___ | thanks | 09:19 |
| * phryk could imagine kanzure winning the damn nobel prize | 09:29 | |
| phryk | Albeit he might even resist to go there because he's got more important stuff to do^^ | 09:29 |
| delinquentme | with regards to expensive lab equipment ... i want to get my hands on some and learn to interface them with server ... what INCENTIVES can i offer the labs ( something of value to THEM ) in exchange to sit down and poke around with their machines? .. i was thinking about writing up a tutorial for their lab on how to interface w their machines in a novel way .. thoughts? | 09:30 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: how about i just buy you some equipment instead? | 09:31 |
| kanzure | having said that, what do you need and why? | 09:31 |
| Lukas___ | I agree with Kanzure, I doubt you'd gain access to labs to simply poke around | 09:31 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, umm its not what i need but i want to develop hardware skills | 09:31 |
| Lukas___ | though you could try, you never know | 09:31 |
| kanzure | yeah they won't let you use their equipment to screw up on | 09:32 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: here's a good inventory overview http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/diybio-equipment.yaml | 09:33 |
| Lukas___ | phryk: I can imagine the scenario now, lol | 09:33 |
| delinquentme | i saw a wired article on something of the sort ... with how to assemble a cheap one | 09:33 |
| delinquentme | im thinking i need to press this local DIY bio dude into getting the lab together | 09:34 |
| kanzure | where are you? | 09:34 |
| delinquentme | PGH is SUPPOSED ot get one being assembled | 09:34 |
| delinquentme | pittsburgh | 09:34 |
| kanzure | hmm who's the local diybio person? | 09:34 |
| Lukas___ | Good to know there is a fellow east coaster here | 09:34 |
| delinquentme | Lukas___, >_< | 09:34 |
| Lukas___ | :D | 09:35 |
| delinquentme | richard pell is his name @ the center for post natural history | 09:36 |
| delinquentme | hes apprently got space there | 09:36 |
| delinquentme | .. PS how do i help people get something like this off the ground without any REAL lab experience .. | 09:36 |
| delinquentme | ive volunteered to make a website and google spreadsheets of the equip wed need | 09:36 |
| kanzure | why a spreadsheet? | 09:37 |
| delinquentme | just the first thing that came to mind | 09:37 |
| delinquentme | he seems to just want to be left along to work @ his own pace | 09:37 |
| kanzure | anyway, if you'er serious about setting up a space you'll eventually find yourself doing a lot of visiting of potential spaces and getting rent deals | 09:38 |
| kanzure | *you're | 09:38 |
| Lukas___ | That sounds like a pain | 09:39 |
| kanzure | or a lot of fun? | 09:40 |
| delinquentme | getting rent deals? | 09:41 |
| delinquentme | eqip rental or space rental? | 09:41 |
| delinquentme | actually that could be a really sweet IN | 09:41 |
| delinquentme | to like legitimize why im there talking w people | 09:42 |
| Lukas___ | Just as long as you have a place to store the stuff | 09:42 |
| kanzure | space rental. | 09:43 |
| Lukas___ | true | 09:43 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, apprently thats where this guy comes in .. he kinda runs a spot that has extra space | 09:43 |
| Lukas___ | how extra are we talking? | 09:44 |
| delinquentme | haha im not sure | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | hes happy im exicted about it .. but details are fairly sparse | 09:51 |
| Lukas___ | no problem, good luck with it | 09:53 |
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| kanzure | hi g4k | 10:19 |
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| kanzure | humanity+ people running for the board: ben goertzel, me, michael anissimov, todd huffman, patri friedman.. only 3 can be elected. | 11:45 |
| kanzure | you can join to vote here: http://humanityplus.org/join | 11:46 |
| archels | already in the board now = Ben, ...? | 12:00 |
| kanzure | ben goertzel, todd huffman, thomas mccabe, amy li, natasha vita-more, max more, howard bloom, david orban, michael vassar, mike latorra | 12:06 |
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| archels | and the set intersection of those two is... | 12:16 |
| kanzure | ben and todd are presently on the board but their term is expiring | 12:31 |
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| archels | $2.50 a month for the most minimal membership? Those greedy bastards. | 12:45 |
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| kanzure | "the emerging economy of home and desktop manufacturing" http://www.mae.cornell.edu/lipson/FactoryAtHome.pdf | 13:34 |
| kanzure | choo choo bandwagon | 13:34 |
| kanzure | wait that's a train | 13:34 |
| kanzure | choo choo cluetrain? | 13:34 |
| kanzure | oh it's hod lipson | 13:35 |
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| kanzure | yet another biopunk manifesto | 14:26 |
| kanzure | http://biopunk.hu/2011/01/10/biopunk-manifesto/ | 14:26 |
| kanzure | oh wait. that's meredith again. | 14:27 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/a-biopunk-manifesto-by-meredith-patterson | 14:27 |
| kanzure | a few more via macowell: | 14:35 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/programming-dna-by-drew-endy | 14:35 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/acinetobacter-baylyi-adp1-as-a-chassis-for-the-directed-evolution-of-genes-and-genomes | 14:35 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/the-diybio-community-presented-at-ignite-boston-5-2009 | 14:35 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/diybio-in-5-minutes-o-reilly-ignite-boston | 14:35 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/labcloud-recap-post-elevator-pitch-competition | 14:36 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/ucam-hello-world-looking-at-streetwater-and-blood | 14:36 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/ben-krasnow-demos-his-diy-liquid-nitrogen-generator-at-makerfaire-2010-san-mateo | 14:36 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/roboscope-v0-5-1-z-axis-demo | 14:36 |
| kanzure | outlawbiology.net is down :( | 14:40 |
| kanzure | also i forgot all of the outlaw biology videos | 14:40 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/what-makes-traditional-themal-cyclers-so-expensive-and-what-is-otyp-doing-differently | 14:44 |
| jrayhawk | Are you saving these videos anywhere? | 14:45 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: manually downloading them? no | 14:47 |
| kanzure | do you think i should? | 14:47 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/synbiosafe-trailer | 14:47 |
| jrayhawk | If you care about them, yes. | 14:47 |
| jrayhawk | Relying on other people to manage your content is usually a mistake. | 14:48 |
| jrayhawk | s/other/random/ | 14:48 |
| jrayhawk | cclive can be used with most of the big video hosts. | 14:49 |
| kanzure | ok fine. | 14:49 |
| kanzure | why do all of these videos exist? | 14:50 |
| kanzure | 569 so far.. average length is 1 hour | 14:50 |
| kanzure | 600 hours of content? i mean, come on, who has time for this | 14:50 |
| kanzure | what's worse is that it takes more than 1 hour to make each hour of video | 14:51 |
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| kanzure | ooh one on mechanosynthesis http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/mechanosynthesis-ralph-merkle-robert-freitas | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | If you wind up planning on sticking 600 hours of video on gnusha, I should probably exclude it from the backups. Let me know. | 15:04 |
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| kanzure | heh | 15:07 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: you're my favorite sysadmin | 15:07 |
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| jrayhawk | I was under the impression I was your only sysadmin! | 15:10 |
| jrayhawk | We are exclusive, right? | 15:11 |
| jrayhawk | If there's another, I'LL KILL THEM AND YOU I SWEAR TO GOD | 15:11 |
| kanzure | my other sysadmin is jules | 15:11 |
| kanzure | go ahead, kill him | 15:11 |
| jrayhawk | Always planning on it! | 15:11 |
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| niftyzero1 | cool science publication miner - http://www.brainscanr.com/Search?term_a=anxiety | 15:26 |
| niftyzero1 | (and visualizer) | 15:28 |
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| kanzure | having an organization maintain a list of one-way volunteers would be productive http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/10/1753246 | 15:49 |
| kanzure | one-way mars volunteers i mean | 15:49 |
| QuantumG | why? | 15:51 |
| QuantumG | the line forms to the left.. there's no shortage | 15:51 |
| kanzure | an "official" list is something other people can point at when doing fundraising or market projections and other bullshit | 15:51 |
| kanzure | "It Helps" | 15:51 |
| QuantumG | the reason these surveys even exist is that many of the people who wouldn't go are incapable of imagining anyone else going | 15:52 |
| kanzure | no not a survey, a registry :) | 15:52 |
| QuantumG | .. and many of those people still say "oh, it's easy to say you'd go, but I bet when the chips are down they'd back out" | 15:52 |
| QuantumG | I don't think a registry would change that | 15:53 |
| QuantumG | on a similar note.. I had an idea the other day that you might know the answer to | 15:53 |
| QuantumG | isn't there simple biological ways to grow "land" for seasteading? | 15:54 |
| QuantumG | isn't that called "coral" | 15:54 |
| kanzure | not when your ocean depth is 1500m | 15:55 |
| QuantumG | is there a lot of biohacking-seasteading crossover? | 15:55 |
| QuantumG | I'm imagining biohacking an organism that grows coral that floats | 15:56 |
| QuantumG | I'm imagining porous floating blocks. | 15:56 |
| QuantumG | is there a lot of biohacking-seasteading crossover? <- that's the question I figured you'd be able to answer with your fancy meeting log | 15:58 |
| kanzure | nobody is explicitly saying they are interested in projects that hit both themes | 15:58 |
| QuantumG | is there someone in your list with biohacking skills who has expressed any interest in seasteading? | 15:59 |
| kanzure | oh sure | 15:59 |
| kanzure | fenn! get over here | 15:59 |
| kanzure | forrest flanagan | 15:59 |
| mjr | QuantumG is apparently imagining Distress by Egan ;] | 16:02 |
| mjr | which would be funky, 'course | 16:02 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, thanks for the clarification about skdb re gitduino, wasn't following the discussions. | 16:03 |
| * kanzure nods | 16:03 | |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_%28novel%29 | 16:03 |
| QuantumG | sounds horrible :) | 16:03 |
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| * QuantumG adds it to the "to read" list | 16:04 | |
| joshcryer | Hmm, I'd like to claim to be one of the first to volunteer a one way mission to Mars... | 16:04 |
| joshcryer | But I'm sure I wasn't the first. | 16:04 |
| mjr | let's just say that the main plot is slightly more far fetched than what one'd expect of Egan | 16:04 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: i don't think you're the type of person who would actually go | 16:04 |
| kanzure | i'm sure there are many that would | 16:04 |
| mjr | but there's ... saner other stuff ;) | 16:05 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, I would. | 16:05 |
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| Lukas__ | Hullo | 16:05 |
| joshcryer | It would offer a high probablity of true death, but I think that as long as the odds are better than even I'd do it. | 16:05 |
| QuantumG | gotta die somewhere | 16:06 |
| joshcryer | I'm not particularly afraid of death because even a transition to transhuman means death for who I am currently. | 16:06 |
| joshcryer | (unless I keep a copy of me somewhere that just goes on living a mundane existance without enhancements) | 16:06 |
| QuantumG | (unless you're one of these life extensionists) | 16:06 |
| kanzure | damn life-loving hippies | 16:07 |
| joshcryer | I have made it known that I'll fly on Armadillo's full view suborbital if the cost comes down to $50k. | 16:08 |
| QuantumG | it's funny.. I can't imagine life-extensionists actually saying "I'm just gunna huddle here in my suburban life and try not to die before the next life extension technology comes along that I can afford" but that's probably what they'll do :) | 16:08 |
| joshcryer | I dunno about biological life extension, personally. I think we're going straight to silicon. | 16:09 |
| QuantumG | pfft | 16:09 |
| AlonzoTG | loser. | 16:09 |
| AlonzoTG | Losers settle for silicon. | 16:09 |
| QuantumG | suppose we have hard AI | 16:10 |
| QuantumG | it's just available off the shelf | 16:10 |
| QuantumG | Microsoft Slave | 16:10 |
| AlonzoTG | Okay... (I intend to take a whack at the AI problem my very own self...) | 16:10 |
| * joshcryer is waiting for QuantumG to finish the thought | 16:10 | |
| AlonzoTG | Mee tooo!! | 16:11 |
| QuantumG | with a bit of brain scanning, or maybe even just manual programming of your defining memories, you can mod Microsoft Slave to be just like you | 16:11 |
| AlonzoTG | So? | 16:11 |
| QuantumG | put it up on your website so everyone can download the joshcryer mod of Microsoft Slave | 16:11 |
| AlonzoTG | I guess I could... | 16:12 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: be careful | 16:12 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: AlonzoTG believes that you are going to enslave him and force him to upload his brain into a computer | 16:12 |
| joshcryer | Fine by me. | 16:12 |
| AlonzoTG | That still doesn't appease the boob obsessed nutcase part of my personality... | 16:12 |
| QuantumG | all you need to do now is ensure that sufficient CPU cycles exist to run joshcryer-Microsoft-Slave | 16:12 |
| joshcryer | joshcryer is very lazy. | 16:13 |
| QuantumG | congratulations, immortality achieved | 16:13 |
| AlonzoTG | No. | 16:13 |
| joshcryer | I'd make an unsuitable slave, and modifications will be necessary. | 16:13 |
| QuantumG | forever people will be saying "gee, that joshcryer guy sure has been alive a long time" | 16:13 |
| kanzure | that thought makes me very worried-- what if microsoft software is still around when whole brain emulation is possible? | 16:13 |
| AlonzoTG | It will be, | 16:14 |
| AlonzoTG | =\ | 16:14 |
| joshcryer | There won't be a Microsoft or Apple. | 16:14 |
| AlonzoTG | Why? | 16:14 |
| kanzure | nintendo and ibm have been around for hundreds of years | 16:14 |
| kanzure | hotels in japan have companies longer than 500 years old | 16:14 |
| QuantumG | well, they'd never call it Microsoft Slave.. it'd be called Microsoft Assistant or maybe some familiar name.. like Bob. | 16:14 |
| kanzure | *older than 500 | 16:14 |
| joshcryer | Because they operate in a niche that requires them to do untranscendent things to insure profit. | 16:14 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: no i mean that microsoft will still /exist/ even if they don't write related software | 16:14 |
| joshcryer | In 500 years kanzure? | 16:15 |
| kanzure | i doubt it will be 500 years | 16:15 |
| joshcryer | Maybe as a small niche weblog on a distribute cloud network run by Bill Gates' mind-upload. | 16:15 |
| QuantumG | http://books.google.com/ebooks hmm.. when did Google enter that market? | 16:15 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, I think some time after they took over recaptcha. | 16:16 |
| joshcryer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_eBookstore | 16:16 |
| joshcryer | Ahh, very recently. | 16:16 |
| kanzure | yeah recaptcha is a great way to take advantage of spam | 16:16 |
| joshcryer | I thought longer. | 16:16 |
| kanzure | although not so good that the books they are translating are not put up on project gutenberg | 16:17 |
| joshcryer | So definitely *after* they took over recaptcha but I think that was awhile ago. | 16:17 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, just more of my untranscendent idea of companies, they want you to use their interface, to scrape your likes and dislikes, and to feed you potential books you may purchase. | 16:18 |
| joshcryer | Good thing is is that google will likely release all that stuff eventually, so it's progress. | 16:18 |
| QuantumG | I drove out to a friend's place the other day.. only an hour or so away from the city, so really not that far, but he has about 6 acres (whatever an acre is) and was telling me about the weeks of work he's put into the place since he bought it | 16:18 |
| QuantumG | made me happy to live in a townhouse | 16:19 |
| joshcryer | Non-restricive copying appears to be a nice aspect of the ebookstore. | 16:19 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, ha, non-individualist worker drone! | 16:19 |
| joshcryer | What sort of stuff is he putting in? | 16:19 |
| QuantumG | at least there'd be no weeding on Mars | 16:20 |
| QuantumG | (I guess) | 16:20 |
| joshcryer | Or nasty bugs. | 16:20 |
| QuantumG | or snakes | 16:20 |
| joshcryer | You could maybe even end disease. | 16:20 |
| kanzure | most importantly: | 16:20 |
| joshcryer | (transmistable, cancer rates would probably be up there) | 16:20 |
| kanzure | no people | 16:20 |
| QuantumG | well, for it to be a colony I'd assume there'd be a steady supply of immigrants | 16:21 |
| joshcryer | Yeah, a comprehensive immigrant quarantine may not be workable. | 16:28 |
| joshcryer | Stupid diseased people... :P | 16:28 |
| joshcryer | Something like 90% of the US population has herpes. | 16:28 |
| joshcryer | (simplex 1) | 16:28 |
| joshcryer | (ie, intermmant cold sores that don't usually break out for most people) | 16:29 |
| QuantumG | especially considering that a lot of people would be heading to Mars to start colonies | 16:29 |
| QuantumG | not join existing ones | 16:29 |
| joshcryer | Yeah | 16:29 |
| QuantumG | I remember when I got it | 16:29 |
| joshcryer | Must've been a girl that got around. | 16:30 |
| joshcryer | I think I got it from my mom. :/ (Lip kissing in our family, kinda weird, but my mom is my mom.) | 16:31 |
| QuantumG | I ate some leftover satay sticks that a female friend had put in the fridge.. and not told anyone she licked. | 16:31 |
| joshcryer | Nice. | 16:31 |
| joshcryer | Why would someone do that. | 16:32 |
| QuantumG | and I know she had gotten in between then and the time years before when we made out :) | 16:32 |
| joshcryer | I mean, lick but not eat? | 16:32 |
| QuantumG | gotten it in | 16:32 |
| QuantumG | yes.. or put diseased food in my fucking fridge | 16:32 |
| joshcryer | Haha | 16:33 |
| joshcryer | I'm just thinking, that's just bizarre. I hope she at least was a good makeout partner. | 16:33 |
| QuantumG | I was drunk.. a dog would have been a good makeout partner | 16:33 |
| joshcryer | aaaahahahaaaaaaha | 16:34 |
| QuantumG | was drinking punch directly from the punch bowl shortly before | 16:34 |
| Lukas__ | Thanks for the Mars link, guys | 16:34 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 16:35 |
| QuantumG | I wonder when Masten/Armadillo are going to start flying already | 16:35 |
| QuantumG | Dave apparently did a tether test of his new vehicle the other day.. no video posted | 16:36 |
| QuantumG | are they that bored with their own efforts already? | 16:36 |
| QuantumG | at least XCOR's incredibly slow pace is obvious to me now | 16:37 |
| QuantumG | although I haven't heard anyone else say it out loud: they are waiting for patents to be granted | 16:38 |
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| QuantumG | I wonder if Masten is too.. I can't imagine he's just relying on secrecy to keep his aluminium rocket engine manufacturing technique to himself | 16:39 |
| QuantumG | especially after the company started hemorrhaging staff | 16:41 |
| joshcryer | I'm guessing winter is slowing things down. | 16:45 |
| Lukas__ | Where can I go to e-mail someone at NASA to volunteer for the Mars trip? | 16:45 |
| joshcryer | Lukas__, it appears to be a non-NASA thing. | 16:46 |
| QuantumG | "the Mars trip"? | 16:46 |
| QuantumG | there's no Mars trip | 16:46 |
| Lukas__ | One way trip | 16:46 |
| QuantumG | it was just a survey | 16:46 |
| Lukas__ | D: | 16:46 |
| Lukas__ | :( | 16:46 |
| Lukas__ | oh ... | 16:46 |
| QuantumG | they do these things because so many people "couldn't possibly imagine" that others would want to do it. | 16:47 |
| joshcryer | I think the numbers are too low. | 16:47 |
| QuantumG | I'd like to see Kickstarter style funding for someone space related... something that you can actually buy with money right now | 16:48 |
| Lukas__ | How would you go about doing this? | 16:49 |
| kanzure | weather balloons | 16:49 |
| Lukas__ | heh | 16:51 |
| Lukas__ | interesting | 16:51 |
| Lukas__ | I had an interesting conversation with friends today concerning H+ | 16:51 |
| Lukas__ | they are against it 100% | 16:51 |
| Lukas__ | they basically stated that once you begin to augment yourself away from societal norms, you give up all hopes of finding a mate | 16:52 |
| Lukas__ | and starting a family | 16:52 |
| QuantumG | thank god | 16:52 |
| QuantumG | we need to get more bogans into H+ :) | 16:52 |
| Lukas__ | note: these are young men we are talking about, so all they care for are 'teh womanz' | 16:53 |
| Lukas__ | xD | 16:53 |
| Lukas__ | that is a suitable classification | 16:53 |
| Lukas__ | Still, it made me think. Once I start, I'd be hard to go back, and a lot of H+ groups seem to be ... male heavy | 16:55 |
| Lukas__ | :/ | 16:55 |
| QuantumG | one could H+ towards being more attractive to the opposite sex.. if that is what one is interested in | 16:59 |
| QuantumG | the direction of the plus is entirely up to you | 16:59 |
| AlonzoTG | I already have little hope of ever finding a mate. =( | 17:03 |
| QuantumG | so ya need a lot of plus | 17:03 |
| AlonzoTG | Why, cuz I'm 33 and have never had sex therefore I must have cooties and therefore being ineligible to have sex. | 17:03 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm not that bad, | 17:04 |
| Lukas__ | True, but the H+ direction I was talking about was about energy and information efficiency (radiotrophism, EMF sensing, etc.) This would definitely mean adding weird phenotypes | 17:04 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm in decent shape, I have lots of money, no debt, a big house... | 17:04 |
| Lukas__ | really? | 17:04 |
| AlonzoTG | There's a good chance that I'll put away another 3 oz of GOLD tomorrow. | 17:05 |
| Lukas__ | I am still unsure whether I will end up like that or not | 17:05 |
| QuantumG | love advice: it's a numbers game. | 17:06 |
| AlonzoTG | ? | 17:06 |
| joshcryer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdftOloAH9Q | 17:07 |
| QuantumG | thankfully, I attract women who always manage to tell me they're interested. This was a good thing (no, a great thing) before I was married.. now it's just embarrassing. | 17:07 |
| joshcryer | god it's going to be great when we have memristor image processing | 17:08 |
| joshcryer | it won't have to scan or process it'll just know | 17:08 |
| AlonzoTG | why? | 17:08 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, dude hook me up with those wommenz | 17:08 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm attracted to women who turn out to be lesbians. =( | 17:08 |
| Lukas__ | :D | 17:09 |
| Lukas__ | Here is another thing though | 17:09 |
| Lukas__ | what happens if you do get lucky? | 17:09 |
| QuantumG | I'm attracted to women who already are | 17:09 |
| AlonzoTG | dunno, probably won't happen. =( | 17:09 |
| QuantumG | booya | 17:09 |
| Lukas__ | I've met only one woman in my life that would accept H+ tech | 17:09 |
| AlonzoTG | I posted a personal on OKCupid, but was too pessimistic, | 17:10 |
| AlonzoTG | Yes I was pessimistic in my ad but that's a fundamental part of my nature at this late stage in my life. =( | 17:10 |
| AlonzoTG | That's the fundamental fuckup in this type of deal, | 17:10 |
| AlonzoTG | it is not a reductionistic problem. | 17:10 |
| AlonzoTG | There are no steps you can take that will get you closer to a solution. | 17:10 |
| AlonzoTG | It is almost entirely the other person's decision. | 17:11 |
| AlonzoTG | If you decide Yes, then it's 100% their decision, | 17:11 |
| AlonzoTG | and they always say no, | 17:11 |
| AlonzoTG | Always. | 17:11 |
| QuantumG | btw, if you want my read advice about women, here it is: fucking run. | 17:11 |
| Lukas__ | XD | 17:11 |
| AlonzoTG | I think chemicals in the food and water have totally obliterated the female sexual impulse. | 17:11 |
| Lukas__ | lies | 17:11 |
| Lukas__ | females are just as sexually charged | 17:11 |
| AlonzoTG | THEN WHY DON'T THEY RESPOND TO MY PERSONALS!!! | 17:12 |
| Lukas__ | society would brand them as a 'whore' if they acted as such | 17:12 |
| Lukas__ | trust me on this one | 17:12 |
| AlonzoTG | WHY DO WOMEN WHO SEEM PERFECTLY MATCHED, EVEN WILLING TO TALK TO ME, REFUSE TO DATE ME, EVEN ONCE, EVEN FOR TEN MINUTES! | 17:12 |
| QuantumG | that's why you get them alone and tell them secrets | 17:12 |
| Lukas__ | .... | 17:12 |
| Lukas__ | what? | 17:12 |
| QuantumG | AlonzoTG: is there are picture of you somewhere? | 17:12 |
| AlonzoTG | yeah, taken a few years ago with a first generation webcam.... | 17:13 |
| Lukas__ | Look at it this way, should all else fail we can get robots that preform certain .... | 17:14 |
| Lukas__ | um | 17:14 |
| Lukas__ | .... | 17:14 |
| Lukas__ | yea | 17:14 |
| QuantumG | yeah, you're not fuggly or nothin' | 17:14 |
| QuantumG | nerdy to the hilt | 17:14 |
| QuantumG | but there's plenty of women out there who like that | 17:15 |
| QuantumG | advertise yourself as such so they can find you | 17:15 |
| AlonzoTG | translation: pimp yourself. =( | 17:16 |
| QuantumG | the opposite | 17:17 |
| QuantumG | "pimping" in the sense of "pimp my ride" is exactly the opposite of what you should do :) | 17:17 |
| Lukas__ | XD | 17:18 |
| AlonzoTG | I was thinking of building a Factory Five pimpmobile. =P | 17:18 |
| QuantumG | that is, if you freakin' insist on having a "relationship" like all the other breeders in the world | 17:18 |
| kanzure | yawn | 17:19 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm kinda trending towards the BYOB school. (buy your own boobies.) | 17:19 |
| Lukas__ | XD | 17:19 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: do you have anything better to recommend than http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/david-gross-the-coming-revolutions-in-theoretical-physics | 17:19 |
| kanzure | oops | 17:19 |
| kanzure | i meant http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/steven-squyres-the-mars-exploration-rover-mission-and-water-2005 | 17:19 |
| QuantumG | in regards to what? | 17:20 |
| Lukas__ | <AlonzoTG><QuantumG>: Aren't there drugs that eliminate sexual desire? | 17:20 |
| kanzure | i don't know.. interesting conference presentations sort of like space manufacturing 14 | 17:20 |
| AlonzoTG | My #1 complaint about transexuals is that they settle for atrociously awful technology and surgical techniques. | 17:20 |
| kanzure | penis-to-vagina surgery is very primitive and awful in my opinion | 17:20 |
| AlonzoTG | Exactly. | 17:21 |
| Lukas__ | D: | 17:21 |
| Lukas__ | that is terrible | 17:21 |
| AlonzoTG | The result is so bad that it is absolutely not worth it... | 17:21 |
| Lukas__ | all I want to do is eliminate the ability to be sexually aroused | 17:21 |
| Lukas__ | I am fairly sure nothing needs to be cut to do that | 17:21 |
| AlonzoTG | So instead of advancing the state of the art to the next level, they just go straight to the doctor and butcher themselves then act all faggoty about it. | 17:21 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: one sec | 17:22 |
| Lukas__ | <AlonzoTG>: D: .... Do ... Not ... Want | 17:23 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL-EhXG5O_w | 17:23 |
| kanzure | ooh | 17:23 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/newspace-2010-to-mars-and-beyond | 17:24 |
| AlonzoTG | It's only that last part that I really can't stand. =\ | 17:24 |
| Lukas__ | I get what you mean | 17:25 |
| AlonzoTG | I think that is why transexuals and homosexuals are so overrepresented among people who advocate brain uploading. | 17:25 |
| AlonzoTG | Thanks, lucas. | 17:25 |
| Lukas__ | Really? That I didn't know | 17:25 |
| Lukas__ | thanks for what? | 17:25 |
| AlonzoTG | for understanding. | 17:25 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: ooh http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/why-we-should-colonize-the-moon-with-dennis-wingo-live-show-3-24 | 17:25 |
| kanzure | (dennis) | 17:26 |
| QuantumG | is real transexualism possible? | 17:27 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: yeah, that's pretty good | 17:27 |
| AlonzoTG | I wrote an article about that a few years ago. | 17:27 |
| QuantumG | genetic transexualism | 17:27 |
| Lukas__ | AlonzoTG: I personally am against removing my male parts, as they serve an important biochemical function, and I don't want my muscle going away :P | 17:27 |
| AlonzoTG | From an essentialist philosophy, no, but existentialism seems to permit it, but it's not easy, not easy at all. | 17:27 |
| AlonzoTG | I don't have any comment about that, | 17:28 |
| AlonzoTG | I respect morphological freedom because I don't want mine to be infringed when I get the opportunity to express more of my inner nutcase. | 17:28 |
| QuantumG | perhaps by suppressing the Y chromosome. | 17:29 |
| Lukas__ | So do I, I was just expressing a personal preference | 17:29 |
| AlonzoTG | There are a few modules in the hypothalamus, if you can inactivate those then your sexual urges will go away. | 17:29 |
| QuantumG | do you need two X chromosomes? I mean, are the genes just redundant? | 17:29 |
| Lukas__ | <AlonzoTG>: really?! | 17:30 |
| AlonzoTG | Actually, in women there is a phenomenon called X-inactivation, | 17:30 |
| AlonzoTG | They have too many X chromasomes so one of them stays currled up... But it is random which one, | 17:30 |
| AlonzoTG | and those genes also have the codons for eye pigments, so in women, with multiple versions of eye pigments on randomly activated X-chromasomes, you get the phenomenon of tetrachromatic vision... The male children of such women tend to be color blind. | 17:31 |
| Lukas__ | Unfair IMO | 17:32 |
| Lukas__ | tetrachromic vision would be rad | 17:32 |
| AlonzoTG | Actually, most people are technically tetrachromatic, the thing is that the rod pigment only operates at low light levels and the cone pigment only at high light levels. | 17:32 |
| AlonzoTG | As you have probably experienced, the rod pigment is a shade between green and blue... | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | women -> men would be a lot harder.. adding a whole Y chromosome | 17:33 |
| AlonzoTG | There was a case of an olympic athlete who thought she was a girl, went to be drug tested only to find out that her chromasomes were normatively male, she was simply insensitive to testosterone so never expressed any male charactoristics. | 17:34 |
| QuantumG | Drugs like Depo-Lupron (normally used to fight prostate cancer) and Depo-Provera (used for contraception purposes) lower androgen levels and, thus, sex drive. You can't get them over the counter, though?a specialist will usually administer the drug once a month via injection. | 17:34 |
| Lukas__ | O.O | 17:37 |
| Lukas__ | thank you | 17:37 |
| Lukas__ | I appriciate it | 17:37 |
| AlonzoTG | It would be cool to be able to morph your photreceptors between rods and cones and be able to switch pigments depending on light levels. | 17:37 |
| Lukas__ | that would be amazing | 17:37 |
| Lukas__ | how about Cryptochrome? | 17:38 |
| Lukas__ | that would be amazing | 17:38 |
| AlonzoTG | One of the things about human vision is that the red and green pigments are bunched down near the red end of the spectrum, and then the blue pigment is much higher.... | 17:38 |
| AlonzoTG | Yeah, I am trying to write a book about all my ideas. | 17:38 |
| QuantumG | Androcur is apparently another drug you can use to reduce or eliminate sex drive | 17:39 |
| Lukas__ | thanks | 17:39 |
| Lukas__ | how expensive are these drugs? | 17:39 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androcur | 17:40 |
| QuantumG | check out those side effects | 17:41 |
| Lukas__ | Side-effects in men which directly result from its antiandrogenic action include gynecomastia (breast growth), galactorrhea (milk outflow), and erectile dysfunction. | 17:42 |
| Lukas__ | fuck | 17:42 |
| kanzure | oh boy another mediocre article | 17:42 |
| kanzure | http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/theres-plenty-more-room-bottom-beyond-nanotech-femtotech | 17:42 |
| QuantumG | and it's addictive | 17:42 |
| Lukas__ | great .... | 17:43 |
| kanzure | eh it's fairly verbose at least | 17:43 |
| Lukas__ | All of these sex drive eliminating drugs basically morph you into a female | 17:45 |
| Lukas__ | :( | 17:45 |
| kanzure | because women are sexless? | 17:45 |
| AlonzoTG | I identify with Stanley Tweedle more and more each time I watch Lexx. =( | 17:46 |
| Lukas__ | xD | 17:49 |
| Lukas__ | hrm, I wonder, myostatin inhibitor + sex drive eliminator? | 17:51 |
| joshcryer | I got hplus.co.cc | 17:52 |
| joshcryer | maybe I'll rant on it about idiots | 17:52 |
| kanzure | the guy from anarchotranshumanism.com is in here.. sometimes | 17:53 |
| joshcryer | is he? | 17:53 |
| joshcryer | I liked his site | 17:53 |
| kanzure | infomorph1 | 17:53 |
| kanzure | and it goes without saying that i have access to transhumanism.org now | 17:53 |
| AlonzoTG | There are chemicals that can be used to go in and nuke certain populations of cells... | 17:54 |
| AlonzoTG | but yeah, that's my third project. | 17:54 |
| joshcryer | dunno if it's my internet or my shitty webhost | 17:54 |
| joshcryer | but my site ain't loading :P | 17:55 |
| joshcryer | had an inkling to rant about the mac vs pc lame crap | 17:55 |
| AlonzoTG | first project > AI, 2nd project > neural interface 3rd project >> massive biotech. | 17:55 |
| joshcryer | ugh | 17:55 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: if you write something i'll post it as an article on h+ magazine :P | 17:55 |
| joshcryer | :P | 17:57 |
| joshcryer | my rantings is sadly unsubstantiated dreaming | 17:57 |
| joshcryer | s/is/are | 17:57 |
| QuantumG | my dreamings are annoyingly substantiated | 17:58 |
| joshcryer | hplus.co and hplus.cc are also available | 17:59 |
| QuantumG | random example: the other day I was thinking that even if NASA could buy launches for $1 they'd still be funnelling money to BoeLockMart | 17:59 |
| AlonzoTG | YEah, that's NASA's primary function. | 17:59 |
| QuantumG | ya know how some people say "why is the general public uninterested in NASA/Space/etc?" | 18:00 |
| joshcryer | yes I know | 18:00 |
| joshcryer | I blame the media | 18:00 |
| QuantumG | or sometimes they phrase it as "how can we get people more interested in NASA/Space/etc?" | 18:00 |
| QuantumG | I came up with a nice cynical answer yesterday | 18:01 |
| QuantumG | "maybe they're not suckers like us" | 18:01 |
| QuantumG | maybe they can see that NASA is just a joke agency that has the sole purpose of propping up the aerospace industry between fighter plane projects. | 18:01 |
| joshcryer | you give them too much credit | 18:02 |
| joshcryer | :( | 18:02 |
| kanzure | so uh | 18:02 |
| kanzure | i have to submit some number of paragraphs by tonight | 18:02 |
| QuantumG | I had someone ask me last night if I thought the US really went to the Moon. I said "yes, quite a few times." | 18:02 |
| kanzure | about why you should vote for me for humanity+ board of directors | 18:02 |
| kanzure | does anyone have any clue as to what i should write? | 18:03 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: cause you're the only person who wants the job? | 18:03 |
| kanzure | no there's also ben goertzel, todd huffman, patri friedman, and michael anissimov | 18:03 |
| kanzure | only three will be voted in | 18:03 |
| QuantumG | and then he asked "why'd they never go back?" to which I asked him "why do you think they went in the first place?" <silence> "that's why they haven't been back." | 18:04 |
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| QuantumG | kanzure: just talk about what you've done in your current term.. dress it up a bit. | 18:05 |
| kanzure | my current term? | 18:05 |
| kanzure | i'm not presently on the board | 18:05 |
| QuantumG | arn't you some humanity+ big wig already? | 18:05 |
| kanzure | i'm a director of r&d, not on the board | 18:05 |
| QuantumG | right, so talk about that | 18:05 |
| joshcryer | You could claim us as your fervent followers. | 18:06 |
| joshcryer | Not that I would back such a claim up. | 18:06 |
| joshcryer | But it's not like they'd check! | 18:06 |
| QuantumG | are any of those others a big a hippie as Goertzel? | 18:07 |
| kanzure | todd huffman.. sort of? | 18:07 |
| QuantumG | kinda sounds like you could win on a "no bullshit" platform | 18:08 |
| QuantumG | "at least you'll know what I'm talking about" | 18:08 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG stop bashing hippies! | 18:08 |
| joshcryer | not defending Goertzel because he's no good :P >:P | 18:09 |
| QuantumG | he's a nice enough guy.. he's just slippery | 18:09 |
| kanzure | should i even bother with this? | 18:09 |
| QuantumG | I think that's what you're really asking us kanzure | 18:10 |
| QuantumG | why do you want the position? | 18:10 |
| QuantumG | we can't answer that for ya I'm thinking | 18:10 |
| kanzure | so that there's at least one reasonable transhumanist on the board | 18:10 |
| kanzure | btw, any of you can apply as well | 18:10 |
| joshcryer | is it a paid position | 18:11 |
| kanzure | no | 18:11 |
| kanzure | public service | 18:11 |
| joshcryer | who wants more responsiblity | 18:11 |
| kanzure | previous nomination statements http://humanityplus.org/about/board/201008elections/ | 18:12 |
| QuantumG | "vote for me because I have no idea what the hell you guys mean by transhumanism and think you're all just masturbating." | 18:12 |
| kanzure | the h+ members picked these guys: howard bloom, thomas mccabe, max more | 18:13 |
| QuantumG | howard bloom is a transhumanist? really? | 18:13 |
| kanzure | not really | 18:13 |
| kanzure | he's on the board but he doesn't do anything | 18:13 |
| QuantumG | I get emails from howard weekly.. I probably talk to him monthly. | 18:13 |
| kanzure | a friend of his nominated him, he found out that everyone voted for him, so he accepted | 18:13 |
| QuantumG | his activities in the space community are admirable.. he gets people to do stuff for him | 18:14 |
| QuantumG | now and then I dial into his conference calls and it's actually hard to get a word in edge-wise with all the people falling over themselves to get shit done | 18:15 |
| Lukas__ | Woah, Howard Bloom is a transhumanist? | 18:15 |
| kanzure | is there an echo in here? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | heh | 18:17 |
| QuantumG | that said, the asshole won't learn the lesson about emailing more than one person at a time | 18:17 |
| QuantumG | he cc chains like a teenager | 18:18 |
| kanzure | like me? | 18:18 |
| QuantumG | no, you use mailing lists | 18:18 |
| QuantumG | we set up a mailing list for howard to use and he won't fucking use it | 18:18 |
| gnusha | OMG HOWARD BLOOM IS A TRANSHUMANISM!?!?! | 18:18 |
| kanzure | god damn it the echo is multiplying in power | 18:18 |
| Lukas__ | It is exponentially increasing! | 18:19 |
| Lukas__ | :O | 18:19 |
| QuantumG | he does most of his work out of a coffee house .. that makes him a transhumanist right? | 18:19 |
| Lukas__ | I am checking out | 18:22 |
| Lukas__ | cya | 18:22 |
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| joshcryer | WHO IS HORWARD BLOOM | 18:31 |
| QuantumG | a transhumanist! | 18:32 |
| QuantumG | hmm | 18:34 |
| QuantumG | so I just put forward public funding of a Falcon 1e to Kickstarter.. I bet they'll tell me it is way too much money for their site. | 18:34 |
| kanzure | no they will say it's business related and reject it | 18:35 |
| QuantumG | you wouldn't make money on it. | 18:35 |
| QuantumG | and I made a good spiel about space advocacy | 18:36 |
| QuantumG | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421256045/diy-desktop-cnc-machine?ref=category | 18:36 |
| QuantumG | how about that | 18:36 |
| kanzure | dunno how it got accepted | 18:37 |
| QuantumG | the whole "pledge $x amount or more" thing is a bitch | 18:37 |
| QuantumG | yeah, please pledge $5 to my $10.9M project | 18:38 |
| QuantumG | that'll help a lot | 18:38 |
| joshcryer | lol | 18:41 |
| joshcryer | you know | 18:41 |
| joshcryer | I might be an ardent anti-capitalist commie anarchist pig | 18:42 |
| joshcryer | but I do appreciate the value if investing in your own efforts | 18:42 |
| joshcryer | with your own hard earned cash | 18:42 |
| QuantumG | of course, "we'll put your name on a flash drive that we launch to space" is pretty freakin' easy reward | 18:42 |
| joshcryer | yya they fixed it | 18:43 |
| joshcryer | http://hplus.co.cc/ | 18:43 |
| joshcryer | :P | 18:43 |
| joshcryer | (nothing there but it loads now :P) | 18:43 |
| joshcryer | I have a half dozen co.cc domains | 18:43 |
| QuantumG | worthless | 18:43 |
| joshcryer | how dare you | 18:44 |
| joshcryer | I set it up last night | 18:44 |
| joshcryer | and I was working on that logo the whole time | 18:44 |
| QuantumG | I just meant .cc | 18:45 |
| joshcryer | hplus.com and hplus.net are taken | 18:45 |
| joshcryer | so it's either spend $20 for hplus.cc or $30 for hplus.co | 18:46 |
| joshcryer | or nothing for hplus.co.cc | 18:46 |
| joshcryer | and if you know me I am a fucking cheapskate from hell ;) | 18:46 |
| * joshcryer lurks | 18:46 | |
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| AlonzoTG | om | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | AlonzoTG, meditating? | 19:47 |
| JayDugger | joshcryer--one H. Bloom's a transhumanist, though he tends to the Californian-hippy strain. | 19:49 |
| JayDugger | joshcryer--another H. Bloom's a humanist, of the literary classics and history sort. | 19:49 |
| JayDugger | QG--how about putting server-sky testing on kickstarter? | 19:50 |
| JayDugger | kanzure--Don't bother with any more distractions than you can help. While tempting, you've plenty of time later in life to do public service. Concentrate on skdb. | 19:52 |
| kanzure | so kartik wants humanity+ to take on 'the water liberation prize' described on http://gadaprize.org/ | 19:54 |
| kanzure | but he wants it to be so that h+ awards $50k to someone who makes that device, | 19:54 |
| kanzure | and they get to patent the device or whatever and go make a company | 19:54 |
| kanzure | the paperwork that i have to do is minimal.. basically writing a 4 page document or something | 19:54 |
| kanzure | but i'm not too excited about it since it's not directly transhumanist | 19:54 |
| JayDugger | Up to you. | 19:54 |
| JayDugger | That would make some fame if successful, but what H+ character does that have? | 19:55 |
| JayDugger | Anyhow, time to commute. | 19:55 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:55 |
| kanzure | $50k isn't a lot of money | 19:55 |
| kanzure | rsync doesn't seem to preserve timestamps by default | 20:44 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: any hints? | 20:44 |
| jrayhawk | -a | 20:45 |
| jrayhawk | which is actually more complicated than preserving timestamps, but it's what you want almsot all of the time | 20:46 |
| kanzure | ah rsync doesn't fix timestamps. /me starts over (it's only 2MB so far anyway) | 20:48 |
| kanzure | you're looking at the world's worst consumer broadband connection | 20:48 |
| kanzure | 15 kbps upload, hell yeah! | 20:48 |
| jrayhawk | I think you can hit that with v.92 | 20:49 |
| kanzure | can't touch this | 20:50 |
| kanzure | na-nanana can't touch this | 20:50 |
| jrayhawk | at least on low-entropy text | 20:50 |
| kanzure | consumer broadband in the u.s. sucks | 20:50 |
| jrayhawk | -z might also be useful to you | 20:50 |
| kanzure | if patri can get 100mbps connections out to his seastead i'm going in a heartbeat | 20:51 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm using -z | 20:51 |
| kanzure | rsync -Cavz | 20:51 |
| jrayhawk | You can probably build a pipe that uses lz or xz or bz instead | 20:51 |
| kanzure | good night | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | is it hard to engineer plants which glow? | 21:09 |
| QuantumG | depends on what you consider "hard" | 21:20 |
| delinquentme | hah so yeah id need advanced training and equip? | 21:22 |
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| QuantumG | my understanding is that amateurs have done it | 21:43 |
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