| --- Log opened Sat Jan 15 00:00:01 2011 | ||
| --- Day changed Sat Jan 15 2011 | ||
| kanzure | ok where is the conf file | 00:00 |
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| fenn | first it looks in ~/.skdb/conf then /etc/skdb/conf then /usr/local/share/skdb/conf or whatever | 00:00 |
| fenn | could do same for packages | 00:00 |
| kanzure | ok then what are the defaults in conf.whatever | 00:00 |
| fenn | same as above, s/conf/packages\// | 00:01 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: am i forgetting anything? | 00:01 |
| fenn | materials | 00:01 |
| kanzure | i figure that should go in 'inventory' (either a folder or a file, i don't care) | 00:01 |
| fenn | uh, symbol grounding problem | 00:01 |
| jebba | just default to ~/skdb for files, and ~/.skdb/config for the config. And systemwide could just be changed in /etc/skdb.conf with user override. | 00:02 |
| kanzure | ~/skdb is bad because it pollutes your user's home | 00:02 |
| fenn | agreed | 00:02 |
| fenn | i think he meant ~/.skdb | 00:02 |
| kanzure | although.. | 00:02 |
| kanzure | lots of hardware users seem to want easy access to their files | 00:02 |
| jebba | well, are packages to be installed by users, or admins? Like should you need root to install on a system? I would think not. | 00:02 |
| timschmidt | I vote for ~/.skdb | 00:02 |
| kanzure | no you don't need root | 00:02 |
| timschmidt | for storing packages that are installed | 00:02 |
| fenn | i hate it when some fucking program i only use once wants to make its own rigidly named directory in my home every time i run it | 00:02 |
| kanzure | unless you're running 'fabuntu' | 00:02 |
| kanzure | (no not the gay ubuntu) | 00:03 |
| fenn | arduino always tries to make "sketchbook" which conveniently collides with my "sketches" directory | 00:03 |
| fenn | and eagle always makes "eagle" | 00:03 |
| kanzure | ever since designfiles.org went down i haven't put up a proper mirror for skdb packages | 00:03 |
| timschmidt | ~/.skdb avoids this problem | 00:03 |
| kanzure | so gnusha.org/skdb/packages seems like a good place? | 00:04 |
| fenn | org.gnusha/trunk/skdb/packages | 00:04 |
| kanzure | and gnusha.org/skdb/packages/metadata.tar.gz should have a fresh snapshot of most metadata.yaml files? or something | 00:05 |
| fenn | wait, were you serious? | 00:05 |
| kanzure | how does dpkg do metadata fetching? | 00:05 |
| kanzure | yes.. | 00:05 |
| kanzure | designfiles.org/packages/ used to have the 5 basic .skdb packages plus the few thousand from thingiverse | 00:05 |
| kanzure | which was what skdb/clients/skdb-get.py grabbed things from | 00:05 |
| fenn | oh, that was a url. http://gnusha.org/skdb/packages/ | 00:05 |
| kanzure | i have no clue why you think i would be making a java reference | 00:06 |
| * fenn stares at the floor | 00:06 | |
| kanzure | ok so that's the basic configuration for the package manager.. half of the spec :) | 00:07 |
| fenn | jebba: for installing some hardware packages that are physically controlled by the PC you will need root, but this will be a while | 00:07 |
| kanzure | i think the other half is a man page that explains wtf it should do in which situations | 00:08 |
| fenn | why didn't you download the contents of the thingiverse packages when you scraped it? | 00:08 |
| fenn | downloading nonexistent metadata is... an interesting philosophical exercise | 00:09 |
| kanzure | plz restate your question | 00:09 |
| fenn | when you scraped thingiverse, you didn't download any .stl files for instance | 00:09 |
| fenn | or images | 00:09 |
| fenn | was it just the page text? | 00:10 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:10 |
| kanzure | but i also scraped into an easy variable a list of file urls for downloading | 00:10 |
| kanzure | i just never got around to actually downloading those files | 00:10 |
| kanzure | actually.. | 00:10 |
| kanzure | there's two things going on | 00:10 |
| joshcryer | Are you considering the pages themselves the "packages"? | 00:10 |
| fenn | joshcryer: no | 00:10 |
| kanzure | 1) an original thingiverse scrape i did in february 2010 that did not download the files | 00:10 |
| kanzure | 2) a second scrape in march 2010 that's on designfiles.org | 00:11 |
| kanzure | my backup of designfiles.org is from february, not march | 00:11 |
| kanzure | #2 has the files downloaded. #1 has significantly less 'things' than the 4000~ that were existing in march. | 00:11 |
| fenn | joshcryer: the original page, all the files on the page, and all its derivatives and their files | 00:11 |
| kanzure | sample: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/contraptor-perforated-angle-metadata.yaml | 00:12 |
| fenn | hm, does yaml not do unicode natively? why would it say !!python/unicode everywhere | 00:12 |
| joshcryer | fenn, yeah, gotcha. It's just that the metadata is really shitty here, you got derivatives, tags, required tools, possibly title, and the data files. I dunno, I admire anyone who can turn this into something useful. It's more of a social networking site, imvho. | 00:12 |
| kanzure | yaml can do unicode just fine (meetlog.txt does it) | 00:13 |
| kanzure | it was probably my python fucking up | 00:13 |
| fenn | joshcryer: it's better than nothing | 00:13 |
| fenn | unfortunately 99% of the content is pure crap | 00:14 |
| kanzure | i wonder if i should ask matt for designfiles.org | 00:14 |
| kanzure | i mean, for the server. he seems to be redirecting the domain to graphsynth.com | 00:14 |
| joshcryer | fenn, not hating, I spent about 10 minutes just now looking around (been awhile since I've been on thingyverse). | 00:14 |
| joshcryer | feen, need a categorizing method so that users themselves can self-categorize others' works. | 00:15 |
| kanzure | you mean tagging? | 00:15 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, I don't have an account, can other people tag someones work? | 00:15 |
| kanzure | on thingiverse? i don't know/care | 00:16 |
| timschmidt | I don't think so | 00:16 |
| fenn | hmm interesting, does thingiverse have a "no handguns" rule? http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5533 or just a "no dongs" rule | 00:17 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, they are more on the social networking side of things than anything (which is fine), but they can exploit some of that energy making people give the stuff proper dang metadata. :) | 00:17 |
| timschmidt | fenn: I'm not sure it has either | 00:17 |
| fenn | you shuold always be able to tag another person's work | 00:17 |
| jebba | ya, users can tag other users stuff in thingiverse (just looked) | 00:17 |
| timschmidt | oh yes, you're right | 00:18 |
| kanzure | next steps on gitduino.com are still rendering images for each commit | 00:18 |
| joshcryer | Ahh then that helps then. | 00:18 |
| joshcryer | I'll have to get an account. | 00:19 |
| kanzure | i haven't done that yet- partially because re-learning ikiwiki to the point of writing beautiful/useful perl is a pain in the ass | 00:19 |
| kanzure | i wrote a front-end in django that uses PAM and basically mimics piny in a number of ways, so users can setup git hosting from a web interface (instead of ikiwiki) | 00:19 |
| kanzure | which slightly helps development speed.. but makes jrayhawk sad inside | 00:19 |
| kanzure | (i can still use ikiwiki for rendering/compiling pages of course) | 00:20 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: i know i've been telling you for about 1.5 months now that i'd have this done | 00:20 |
| kanzure | i'm sorry :/ | 00:20 |
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| joshcryer | oh neat: http://www.thingiverse.com/jebba | 00:21 |
| joshcryer | :D | 00:21 |
| joshcryer | (saw on the front page) | 00:21 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: it's OK | 00:22 |
| jebba | oh cool, heh, just added it cuz of this discussion ;) | 00:22 |
| kanzure | fenn: i had some old thingiverse scraping related code laying around in my skdb repo | 00:24 |
| kanzure | so it's committed now.. not anything spectacular | 00:24 |
| * kanzure wonders when gnusha will tweet it | 00:24 | |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: remote: 2011/01/15 00:24:24 socat[19547] E connect(3, AF=1 "/home/gnusha/.irssi/socket", 28): No such file or directory | 00:24 |
| kanzure | fenn: please consider what the 'man pages' should be for an skdb package manager and what switches or things it should do in various situations | 00:26 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: we can mostly work that out as we go | 00:28 |
| timschmidt | my initial concern is to have something that functions _minimally_. | 00:28 |
| timschmidt | So I can start feeding it packages | 00:28 |
| timschmidt | we can get a feedback loop going from there | 00:29 |
| timschmidt | So really feature 1: it runs, feature 2: it does dependency resolution, feature 3: it can download packages from somewhere | 00:29 |
| timschmidt | everything else is bonus | 00:29 |
| timschmidt | it'll be easier to make concrete design decisions after we have something doing _something_ | 00:31 |
| CryptoQuick | joshcryer: I'm making a business card, thoughts? | 00:31 |
| CryptoQuick | http://cq.1k.ru/rect3097.png | 00:31 |
| timschmidt | so we can see what works, and what doesn't | 00:31 |
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| timschmidt | plan to throw one away, release early and often, and all that | 00:33 |
| kanzure | fenn: skdb-get.py doesn't count as a minimal dependency resolver because it imports skdb.Package and all the other cruft.. a lot of which is unnecessary? | 00:38 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 00:38 | |
| joshcryer | 'night kanzure_ | 00:39 |
| joshcryer | later CryptoQuick, passing out | 00:45 |
| CryptoQuick | joshcryer: later | 00:45 |
| CryptoQuick | me too | 00:45 |
| kanzure | blah sebastien is complaining about gitduino's slow progress | 00:48 |
| jrayhawk | oh yeah, i should fix that | 00:49 |
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| kanzure | other quick things: | 00:50 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: my fault | 00:50 |
| timschmidt | (sorry) | 00:51 |
| kanzure | nanoengineer fails to run for a really lame reason (some hard-coded version check) but all of the really intricate things that you'd expect to fail don't. | 00:51 |
| kanzure | lolcad.git has been updated with some random stuff from the last two days | 00:51 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: what? | 00:51 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: I suggested to sebastien (because of some discussion on #reprap) that, if it was easy, and someone was willing to do it, we should not preclude having the reprap wiki show the most recently edited articles in a given category on the front page of #reprap | 00:52 |
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| timschmidt | he decided it would be better to wait on gitduino than do anything to the current mediawiki install | 00:52 |
| timschmidt | at which point, I'm sure he emailed you | 00:52 |
| timschmidt | so... my bad | 00:53 |
| kanzure | hrm | 00:53 |
| kanzure | quick random mediawiki plugins are probably fine imho | 00:53 |
| timschmidt | that's what I thought | 00:54 |
| kanzure | it's not reasonable to wait on me to finish gitduino for /every/ task related to reprap.org | 00:54 |
| timschmidt | forwarding the email | 00:54 |
| timschmidt | forwarded | 00:54 |
| kanzure | also if anyone has suggestions on whether or not i should commit this patch to nanoengineer.git i would heart you dearly | 00:54 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev/browse_thread/thread/b7bb0576fdc6cd5f | 00:54 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: oh, a "recently updated" thing on mediawiki is like the most popular plugin.. yeah | 00:55 |
| timschmidt | feel free to poke sebastien | 00:55 |
| kanzure | nah i'm sleeping | 00:56 |
| timschmidt | clearly | 00:56 |
| timschmidt | :P | 00:56 |
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| Utopiah | http://biox.stanford.edu/grant/r5_iip_riedel.html | 01:40 |
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| Lukas__ | Good morning | 01:48 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, Lukas. | 01:48 |
| Lukas__ | What's up? | 01:49 |
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| JayDugger | A discussion with links to photos of a shapercube. See http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-01-14.log | 02:06 |
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| Lukas__ | thanks | 02:23 |
| JayDugger | You're welcome. Happy reading! | 02:24 |
| Lukas__ | sorry, but can I get a tl;dr version? (sorry, teenage brains suck) | 02:29 |
| Lukas__ | :D | 02:29 |
| Lukas__ | wait a minute | 02:30 |
| Lukas__ | ... interesting | 02:30 |
| JayDugger | What do you mean "tl;dr"? I won't be a teenager again until the late 2080s. | 02:30 |
| Lukas__ | XD | 02:31 |
| Lukas__ | Too long; didn't read | 02:31 |
| JayDugger | XD? The local vernacular confounds me. | 02:32 |
| JayDugger | Ah. | 02:32 |
| JayDugger | And XD? | 02:32 |
| JayDugger | Try C-f for "shaper" to skip to the highlight.s | 02:33 |
| Lukas__ | sorry, I often make the assumption that the internet is populated by my age group or younger | 02:33 |
| JayDugger | I often make the same assumption. | 02:34 |
| Lukas__ | If I am correct, I am the youngest person here | 02:34 |
| Lukas__ | so much of my vocabulary comes from recent memes | 02:34 |
| JayDugger | Possibly. Anyway--what do you mean by "XD"? | 02:34 |
| Lukas__ | look at it sideways | 02:34 |
| Lukas__ | tilt your head | 02:34 |
| JayDugger | Oh. | 02:34 |
| Lukas__ | yup | 02:34 |
| JayDugger | Not :P ? | 02:35 |
| Lukas__ | that's more of a teasing face | 02:35 |
| JayDugger | Got it. | 02:35 |
| uniqanomaly | rather mental retardation | 02:35 |
| Lukas__ | XD = LOL | 02:35 |
| Lukas__ | basically | 02:35 |
| JayDugger | No worries. | 02:35 |
| Lukas__ | At any rate | 02:36 |
| Lukas__ | This Supercube is quite interesting | 02:36 |
| JayDugger | Shapercube. Its price tag killed my interest, and I don't have to pay VAT. | 02:36 |
| Lukas__ | What does the cost look like? | 02:37 |
| JayDugger | Over US$1200. | 02:37 |
| Lukas__ | D: | 02:37 |
| Lukas__ | :( | 02:38 |
| JayDugger | And you'd pay VAT. | 02:38 |
| Lukas__ | My dreams are once more dashed to the rocks | 02:38 |
| uniqanomaly | Lukas__: don't worry, you'll get used to it | 02:39 |
| JayDugger | Look at it this way. Open a targeted savings account on-line, automatically put away a little money, and wait for the intersection of compound interest and improving technology to make the device or its more capable successor affordable. | 02:39 |
| Lukas__ | Well, hopefully the price will be lower in 4 years time | 02:42 |
| JayDugger | I doubt it will cost less, but you might well buy something more capable in 2015 for the same price. Inflation-adjusted, you'll get something better and cheaper. | 02:43 |
| Lukas__ | true, though I'll doubt I have the money anyway | 02:46 |
| JayDugger | You'll most likely outlive the problem of youthful poverty. | 02:46 |
| Lukas__ | :D | 02:47 |
| Lukas__ | I'll probably go to grad school right after anyway | 02:49 |
| Lukas__ | so in about 10 years | 02:50 |
| Lukas__ | I'll probably be looking to buy | 02:50 |
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| kanzure | zotero bibliographies are up http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/bibliographies/?C=S;O=D | 08:20 |
| kanzure | for the lols? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/bodybuilding/ | 08:21 |
| kanzure | huh why is there no Aubrey/ | 08:24 |
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| kanzure | mostly uploaded: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/microfluidics/ | 08:26 |
| archels | Why is it taking forever to upload 12GB? | 08:54 |
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| gloop | "Watson consists of ten racks of IBM Power 750 Linux servers with 15TB of memory. It has 2,880 CPU cores to process a question, search for the answer and produce it in less than three seconds. ยต" | 10:20 |
| gloop | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1937273/ibm-beats-human-jeopardy-champs | 10:20 |
| kanzure | archels my isp limits my upload bandwidth | 10:24 |
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| archels | ah, lame. | 11:05 |
| archels | (Watson too :) ) | 11:06 |
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| AlonzoTG | om | 11:09 |
| kanzure | Preliminary Feasibility Study for The Biological Production of L-Dopa, Mescaline and Tryptamines by Intact Recombinant Yeast Cells Using Only Common Amino Acids as Precursors to Bioenzymatic Synthesis | 11:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.mescaline.com/misc/index.html | 11:42 |
| kanzure | stalk: dm_telvis@yahoo.com | 11:42 |
| kanzure | fiaof93@rocketmail.com | 11:43 |
| kanzure | NASA/synthetic biology announcements http://syntheticbiology.arc.nasa.gov/ | 11:56 |
| kanzure | 01-11-10 NASA Seeks Space Technology Graduate Fellowship Applicants deadline Feb 23rd. | 11:56 |
| kanzure | 01-11-10 Deadline for hiring research fellows is Jan 21st :: synthetic biology research lab. | 11:56 |
| kanzure | 12-14-10 Send your comments about the role of synthetic biology in NASA's Space Technology Roadmaps | 11:56 |
| kanzure | synthetic biology in NASA's space technology roadmap http://syntheticbiology.arc.nasa.gov/node/12 | 11:56 |
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| AlonzoTG1 | om | 13:00 |
| uniqanomaly | http://asset.soup.io/asset/1446/3581_f1a6.png | 13:01 |
| CryptoQuick | nice :) | 13:02 |
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| fenn | Watson is a Linux system that is powered by 10 refrigerator-sized racks of IBM POWER 750, with 15 terabytes of RAM and 2,880 processor cores. and it plays jeopardy. | 13:13 |
| drazak | .... "refrigerator sized" | 13:14 |
| drazak | aka the size of a standard rack | 13:15 |
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| kanzure | i was hoping it had something to do with a refrigerator, but now i'm guessing it's IBM's watson :/ | 13:18 |
| CryptoQuick | but does it play Crysis? | 13:19 |
| kanzure | play Crysis? it hosts Crysis | 13:19 |
| CryptoQuick | oh, cool | 13:19 |
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| kanzure | http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2011/01/yes-the-singularity-is-the-biggest-threat-to-humanity/ | 13:26 |
| kanzure | "Some folks, like Aaron Saenz of Singularity Hub, were surprised that the NPR piece framed the Singularity as โthe biggest threat to humanityโ, but thatโs exactly what the Singularity is." | 13:26 |
| kanzure | yay fearmongering | 13:27 |
| CryptoQuick | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2075 | 13:28 |
| kanzure | TEDxCaltechโFeynmanโs Vision: The Next 50 Years http://tedxcaltech.com/about | 13:28 |
| kanzure | speakers: http://tedxcaltech.com/speakers | 13:28 |
| AlonzoTG1 | =\ | 13:28 |
| kanzure | De novo designed proteins from a library of artificial sequences function in Escherichia coli and enable cell growth | 13:29 |
| kanzure | paper: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0015364 | 13:29 |
| kanzure | in the news: http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=4350 | 13:29 |
| kanzure | freitas' Comprehensive Nanorobotic Control of Human Morbidity and Aging http://www.nanomedicine.com/Papers/Aging.pdf | 13:30 |
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| gleapsite1 | I'm surprised. Who would have thought that something like nanoengineer would be complicated. | 13:30 |
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| kanzure | ^from the ridiculously expensive book "The Future of Aging" http://www.amazon.com/Future-Aging-Pathways-Human-Extension/dp/9048139988 | 13:30 |
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| kanzure | gleapsite1: heh it's a rather large code base that's for sure.. | 13:31 |
| gleapsite | I've clone it locally | 13:32 |
| kanzure | today i was actually playing around with getting it running again.. | 13:32 |
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| kanzure | it failed to run at a really stupid thing-- none of the complex shit broke, but rather a hardcoded version check for one of its own modules | 13:33 |
| kanzure | one of the .mmp file handlers or something | 13:33 |
| gleapsite | yeah. I'm currently downloading the snapshot build | 13:34 |
| gleapsite | I think I need to do a lot more setup to get a local build environment going though | 13:34 |
| gleapsite | I don't even have gcc on this machine >.< | 13:34 |
| kanzure | that's more likely to fail but if you want the snapshot to work there's these helpful hints: | 13:35 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/compile_nanoengineer | 13:35 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/NE1InstallScriptFragment | 13:35 |
| gleapsite | yeah. my personal dev computer is win7, though I bet I could get a debian VM up and running | 13:36 |
| kanzure | theoretically this should run on windows too. dunno what the build process is like though | 13:36 |
| kanzure | btw please post notes/complaints to http://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev via emailing nanoengineer-dev@googlegroups.com | 13:37 |
| gleapsite | roger wilco. | 13:37 |
| gleapsite | for pure python builds on win I usually use cxfreeze. | 13:38 |
| kanzure | one of the primary ne-1 developers was a windows user so he made sure things kept stable | 13:38 |
| gleapsite | also, re: the future of aging, I've been led to believe by my bio/bioinformatics friends that telemorase is key | 13:39 |
| kanzure | eh | 13:39 |
| kanzure | well.. sort of. | 13:39 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of other things going on, like the WnT regulatory network, immune system/stem cell issues, mitochondrial buildup, etc. | 13:39 |
| kanzure | if my upload will ever finish, i have about ~400 papers collected on http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/ that i can actually cite | 13:40 |
| kanzure | instead of handwavin :x | 13:40 |
| gleapsite | that dir is empty | 13:40 |
| kanzure | yeah the upload isn't finished. heh' | 13:40 |
| kanzure | here's an index: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/longevity_papers.txt | 13:42 |
| kanzure | (it's also quicker to upload specific requests, btw.) | 13:44 |
| gleapsite | fair enough | 13:44 |
| gleapsite | nanoengineer is up and running. just played a video of a nanocar simulation | 13:44 |
| kanzure | from the snapshot? | 13:45 |
| gleapsite | yeah | 13:45 |
| kanzure | did you take any magic steps that i should pester you to document? | 13:45 |
| gleapsite | downloaded .exe. ran. selected full install (to include the snapshot's source as a backup to my git clone). let it run | 13:46 |
| gleapsite | as easy as installing firefox. | 13:46 |
| * kanzure is listening to http://di.fm/mp3/vocaltrance.pls | 13:46 | |
| kanzure | ah that's right, windows | 13:46 |
| kanzure | yeah i guess i never tested the windows snapshot- glad that works :) | 13:47 |
| * gleapsite is listening to http://somafm.com/play/missioncontrol | 13:47 | |
| kanzure | heh | 13:48 |
| kanzure | not bad | 13:48 |
| kanzure | gleapsite: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/aging_roadmap.txt | 13:50 |
| kanzure | eightpennies is a brazilian elderly gentleman who is working on a DIY stem cell rejuvenation therapy protocol for himself | 13:50 |
| kanzure | not wanting to age too much or.. uh, die | 13:50 |
| kanzure | he once brought up a good point to me.. not many of the longevity researchers seriously read literature; if you keep up 5 papers/day for a year, you'll be an 'expert' (depending on how you personally digest or make sense of SCIENCE) or at least have a clear sense of what needs to get done | 13:52 |
| gleapsite | similar to gladwells assertion that it takes ~10,000 hours of study in a given task to no longer be an amateur. | 14:01 |
| gleapsite | well, i"ve no background in chem/bio science above 101 and piercing/implants. | 14:02 |
| archels | are you lepht? | 14:04 |
| gleapsite | No. I'm a male | 14:04 |
| gleapsite | but she's pretty awesome | 14:04 |
| gleapsite | we've used similar tech | 14:04 |
| fenn | did you at least use a real disinfectant? | 14:05 |
| fenn | anaesthetics? | 14:05 |
| fenn | come on | 14:05 |
| gleapsite | our RFID implants cost ~60$ for two people | 14:05 |
| fenn | why would you want an rfid implant anyway | 14:05 |
| gleapsite | so I can wave my hand, say open seaseme and my house unlocks | 14:05 |
| mjr | To get front-row seats in Hell with your very own mark of the Beast! | 14:06 |
| gleapsite | no anaesthetics. cutting the dermis w/ a scalpel is really more about overcoming your sense of self-preservation than enduring any pain. piercing hurts more | 14:06 |
| mjr | 'scuse me, what I meant to say was, "cool" | 14:06 |
| gleapsite | mjr: its on my left hand, the mark of the beast is on the forehead or the right hand and is mandated for participation in the markets. | 14:07 |
| fenn | i think we're all atheists and can stop seriously responding to that question | 14:08 |
| mjr | meh, why'd you go and do a stupid thing like putting it into the wrong hand | 14:08 |
| fenn | gleapsite: how close do you have to be to the sensor to read the rfid chip? | 14:08 |
| gleapsite | for sterilization, we had a metal plat that we steralized w/ disinfectant, scrubbed above the elbows w/ anti-bacterial stuff and used a hydrogen peroxide soak on our dermal separators and forceps. the scalpels were autoclaved. | 14:08 |
| gleapsite | fenn: depends on the power of the reader | 14:09 |
| fenn | also, where did you get the chip? | 14:09 |
| gleapsite | we're using redbee readers. when powered via USB you can't get a read through the skin | 14:09 |
| gleapsite | powered via 12V... about 5cm | 14:10 |
| gleapsite | trossen robotics. hang on i'll get a link | 14:10 |
| gleapsite | we also used a hydrogen peroxide soak to sterilize them | 14:10 |
| gleapsite | in a shot glass if memory serves me correctly | 14:11 |
| AlonzoTG1 | What is the topic right now? | 14:11 |
| gleapsite | feen: http://www.trossenrobotics.com/store/p/3618-Extra-Small-Glass-Ampoule-Tag.aspx | 14:11 |
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| fenn | gleapsite: why not just get a thumbprint reader? | 14:12 |
| gleapsite | fenn: or a keychain rfid? | 14:13 |
| gleapsite | its about becoming a cyborg, and learning how to implant moreso than convenience or security | 14:14 |
| fenn | but there's nothing cybernetic about it | 14:14 |
| gleapsite | in lopht's words: health and safety takes a big fuckoff second seat to curiosity | 14:14 |
| fenn | are you sure you're not just being macho and posturing? | 14:15 |
| gleapsite | fenn: with the exception of the face that I implanted a wireless computer into my body, you're correct it in no way interfaces with my biology. | 14:15 |
| gleapsite | could be | 14:15 |
| gleapsite | but RFID chips are a safe first implant | 14:15 |
| gleapsite | my next one is going to be a neodymium magnet, I haven't decided weather this will be DIY, or haworth | 14:16 |
| gleapsite | its more than posturing, its learning | 14:16 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I've heard that there's a cancer risk with RFID, besides, it's not something I want... | 14:17 |
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| gleapsite | Fair enough I'm not trying to say everyone should be chipped. IDK about cancer, but I smoke anyway. | 14:18 |
| fenn | if there's a cancer risk from rfid, then there's a cancer risk from microwave ovens, cellphones, cars, computers, fluorescent lights, and satellites orbiting hundreds of miles above your head | 14:19 |
| fenn | but i don't believe that particular conspiracy theory | 14:20 |
| gleapsite | most of those are HERP safe | 14:20 |
| gleapsite | which doesn't mean that there's 0 cancer risk, just that its within "safe levels" | 14:20 |
| fenn | it means it won't cook you from the inside | 14:21 |
| fenn | there's absolutely zero causal link between RF and cancer | 14:21 |
| gleapsite | so electromagnetic radiation doesn't cause cancer? or just the radio freqs? | 14:22 |
| fenn | UV light and gamma rays are also electromagnetic radiation, and do cause cancer | 14:22 |
| gleapsite | yes. | 14:22 |
| AlonzoTG1 | no, it's the glass casing, | 14:23 |
| AlonzoTG1 | it's not bio-compatible, irritates surrounding tissues eventually leading to cancer. | 14:23 |
| kanzure | gleapsite: do you at least know about wireless/induction powering? | 14:23 |
| fenn | i think this whole thing comes from the fact that schools are placed in low property value areas, and people start noticing when kids get cancer and freak out | 14:23 |
| fenn | power lines and cell phone towers are also placed in low property value areas | 14:23 |
| kanzure | (i hope yes because of your last job) | 14:23 |
| gleapsite | kanzure: yes | 14:23 |
| gleapsite | I also know about stuff like bistatic radiation, antenna patterns, HERO/HERP/MAE | 14:24 |
| kanzure | ooh antenna patterns | 14:24 |
| gleapsite | I know modulation theory, sampling/interpolating | 14:24 |
| kanzure | sorry antennas are more cool. | 14:25 |
| gleapsite | indeed | 14:25 |
| gleapsite | I've wanted to strap a 2.4GHz wifi cantenna to a scavenged directTV dish and see how far I can get | 14:25 |
| fenn | do you know about the fabfi project? | 14:26 |
| gleapsite | was part of a plan to set up a rural WISP a while back, but the laws, such as they are, are pretty prohibitive to that effect | 14:26 |
| gleapsite | no | 14:26 |
| kanzure | wireless mesh stuff with open source hardware | 14:26 |
| kanzure | right? i might be bullshitting | 14:26 |
| fenn | http://wiki.fablab.af/index.php/Fab-Fi | 14:26 |
| gleapsite | but w/ wireless mesh you need omnis. which means either a high pop-density or ramping up the power (illegal via FCC mandates) | 14:27 |
| kanzure | iirc this was afghanistan | 14:27 |
| fenn | there's a stunning lack of pictures on that page | 14:28 |
| gleapsite | the WISP i was looking as setting up was separated by more than the range of a standard wifi aentenna's range. which is why I was looking into directionals | 14:28 |
| kanzure | "ูุฏุฑุงูู ู ุฎุงุจุฑุงุชู ฺฉู ูุณูู" or something | 14:28 |
| fenn | there's also http://ronja.twibright.com/ which is point to point optical | 14:28 |
| kanzure | fenn: don't the fablab people mostly opt to use flikr? | 14:29 |
| fenn | no, just todd and peretz | 14:29 |
| fenn | amy has her own image gallery software | 14:29 |
| kanzure | well that's stupid. | 14:29 |
| fenn | smari doesn't post pictures at all :\ | 14:29 |
| fenn | what's stupid? | 14:29 |
| kanzure | just more media lab elitism or forgetting to make things public or something | 14:30 |
| gleapsite | the other problem I encountered, was Virginia pine trees. the needles are a 1/4 wavelength of 2.4GHz and they're excellent at dropping the SNR | 14:30 |
| fenn | kanzure: it's because they're more worried about making sure people at the fablab know how to do things than whether the internet knows what they're doing | 14:30 |
| kanzure | oh crap, ne-1 is the one that makes a ~/Nanorex isn't it? | 14:33 |
| kanzure | yeah that's definitely going to be fixed | 14:33 |
| gleapsite | kanzure: it drops it in my user directory in win too. | 14:34 |
| kanzure | sucks | 14:34 |
| kanzure | backtracking why main.py segfaults is a pain in the ass | 14:36 |
| kanzure | how do i not have gdb installed? | 14:37 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: fenn found a weird cgit thing going on with skdb.git yesterday | 14:48 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-01-14.log | 14:48 |
| kanzure | starting at 23:51ish | 14:48 |
| kanzure | know what's going on? | 14:49 |
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| jrayhawk | That is one damnably weird bug. | 15:01 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, I guess it must be retarded about that 'data' path. | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | oh, no, i see. The 'plain' links are a little inconsistent about having a trailing / when they are supposed to consistently have a trailing / | 15:06 |
| jrayhawk | Because it's using relative links everywhere. | 15:06 |
| jrayhawk | I'll go see if I can update cgit. | 15:06 |
| kanzure | cool. | 15:08 |
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| kanzure | hrm | 15:13 |
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| fenn | wait a minute, what is smari doing in afghanistan | 15:37 |
| kanzure | fenn: any hints on how to trace my segfault in ne-1? python isn't being very helpful | 15:39 |
| kanzure | and main.py is like 15 layers on top of whatever is actually happening | 15:39 |
| kanzure | strace wasn't helpful either. | 15:40 |
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| kanzure | hi MichaelA | 16:10 |
| fenn | ddd or pdb | 16:10 |
| kanzure | thx | 16:10 |
| kanzure | also, i'm pretty sure this is michael anissimov | 16:10 |
| fenn | i've never used pdb though | 16:10 |
| fenn | hello MichaelA | 16:11 |
| kanzure | fenn: i use pdb.set_trace() inline from time to time | 16:11 |
| fenn | i like this "beer for data" program | 16:12 |
| fenn | they have a | 16:12 |
| fenn | hard drive in the bar, you can put whatever data on it you think others might find useful, and you get a beer each time you do this | 16:13 |
| fenn | more info about the watson supercomputer http://www.stanford.edu/class/cs124/AIMagzine-DeepQA.pdf | 16:17 |
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| joshcryer | I saw the Watson demo. | 16:21 |
| joshcryer | I think he'll win. | 16:21 |
| MichaelA | hello fenn | 16:22 |
| MichaelA | hi Bryan | 16:22 |
| joshcryer | Ken Jennings has stated repeatedly that having buzzer control is one of the best ways to win because there's a trick to getting buzzed first. | 16:22 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: dunno if it's relevant to the reprap-dev thread, | 16:26 |
| kanzure | but i've put in some time to reverse engineering the solidworks file format | 16:26 |
| kanzure | i'm not 100% of the way there yet but there has been progress.. of sorts. | 16:26 |
| timschmidt | yeah... not really relevant IMHO. | 16:26 |
| timschmidt | It's nice to have | 16:26 |
| timschmidt | would be great to be able to import files from that format | 16:26 |
| kanzure | if you want to import parametric models into solidworks, it's relevant | 16:27 |
| timschmidt | but it's still not a great format for doing new work in | 16:27 |
| kanzure | true but there's information loss at the moment going from .sldprt->basically anything | 16:27 |
| timschmidt | indeed | 16:27 |
| kanzure | .sldprt->parasolid seems to preserve parametric deets | 16:27 |
| timschmidt | it'd be nice to have | 16:28 |
| kanzure | MichaelA: what are you up to? | 16:38 |
| MichaelA | hm | 16:38 |
| MichaelA | :( | 16:38 |
| MichaelA | busy | 16:38 |
| MichaelA | I want to film myself but keep thinking something is wrong | 16:39 |
| MichaelA | internal SIAI stuff, blah blah blah endless discussion | 16:39 |
| MichaelA | running for H+ board, hehe | 16:40 |
| MichaelA | popularity contest! | 16:40 |
| kanzure | i saw. | 16:40 |
| kanzure | MichaelA: why does h+ have members? | 16:40 |
| MichaelA | great lineup, all fine transhumanists | 16:40 |
| MichaelA | because it's cheap? | 16:40 |
| kanzure | i tried to convince the board to dump that concept but it was a no go | 16:41 |
| MichaelA | I would make $20/mo. minimum if it were my choice | 16:41 |
| MichaelA | maybe $30 | 16:41 |
| kanzure | uh? yeah but why would anyone join | 16:41 |
| MichaelA | dump cheap concept? | 16:41 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:41 |
| MichaelA | groups are useless unless the people in them actually care about them | 16:41 |
| MichaelA | my objective is to muscle my way into everyone's life and bring us all together in a profound way | 16:41 |
| kanzure | h+ was thinking about a super secret private social networking website for h+ members, but that's useless | 16:41 |
| kanzure | and competing with facebook or anything else isn't really appealing or useful for transhuman tech projects | 16:42 |
| MichaelA | what's a communal project? 90% of what I see are exceptional individuals | 16:42 |
| kanzure | what do you think of gadaprize.org as a direction for h+? | 16:42 |
| MichaelA | eh, whatever, if we want to acquire it, we already have, sure | 16:42 |
| MichaelA | the Gada prize will never be claimed | 16:43 |
| MichaelA | doesn't it have a near-future time limit? | 16:43 |
| kanzure | uh i arranged for it to be hosted at humanity+ | 16:43 |
| timschmidt | what makes you say that? | 16:43 |
| kanzure | lots of people are already about to win it | 16:43 |
| timschmidt | indeed | 16:43 |
| kanzure | MichaelA: my question was more about "directly using money to get these TODO items done" and whether or not you find that agreeable | 16:43 |
| kanzure | i.e. reprap/diybio cross-over transhumanist goodness | 16:44 |
| MichaelA | Um | 16:44 |
| MichaelA | I am very confused by the page | 16:44 |
| kanzure | gadaprize.org is already in the h+ portfolio and another $80k is lined up shortly | 16:44 |
| MichaelA | it seems to describe three prizes | 16:44 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:44 |
| kanzure | the text says the interim prize is funded | 16:44 |
| MichaelA | "prize criteria" is at the top, that describes one prize | 16:44 |
| kanzure | the grand prize is what everyone knows about (unfortunately) because foresight.org announced the grand prize first.. | 16:44 |
| MichaelA | then there's a "Grand challenge" | 16:44 |
| MichaelA | yeah, that's what I knew about because I heard the person who founded the prize give a talk and asked him questions... | 16:45 |
| kanzure | kartik? right | 16:45 |
| kanzure | yeah, i'm not sure if we're going to keep the grand prize format though | 16:45 |
| MichaelA | wait, what's the time limit? | 16:45 |
| kanzure | i mean, for $80k, we can basically just *pay* for these innovations to be built/happen | 16:45 |
| kanzure | for the interim prize it's end of 2012. for the grand prize it's end of 2015 | 16:45 |
| MichaelA | print circuit boards? really. didn't IBM invest millions in silver for that and they're still working? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | repraps can do PCBs already.. | 16:46 |
| MichaelA | if circuit boards could be printed for $80K, why isn't it already reality? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | printable PCBs are way cheaper than that | 16:46 |
| kanzure | and they *are* a reality | 16:46 |
| MichaelA | well, no one mentioned that at the last Make festival | 16:46 |
| kanzure | make sucks | 16:47 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: am i getting my facts all wrong? jump in | 16:47 |
| MichaelA | can I have the link to the web page that describes the circuit-board printing RepRaps? | 16:47 |
| MichaelA | not on thingiverse | 16:47 |
| kanzure | MichaelA: people invest $$$ into "Intellectual Property" or whatever, and the money evaporates | 16:47 |
| timschmidt | no, reprap can print at least one flavor of PCB already, and mendel has been used to mill PCBs as well. | 16:47 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: can you give MichaelA some links for that? not thingiverse :) | 16:47 |
| MichaelA | photographs? | 16:48 |
| timschmidt | sure | 16:48 |
| timschmidt | just a second | 16:48 |
| MichaelA | sounds fantastic | 16:48 |
| MichaelA | total cost under $200? the current cost is $1000+ | 16:48 |
| kanzure | MichaelA: one of my skunkworks projects is gitduino.com to eventually replace thingiverse with something more metadata-friendly. | 16:48 |
| kanzure | MichaelA: no that's makerbot.com you're thinking of | 16:48 |
| MichaelA | what is the time limit of the prize and why isn't it obvious on the web page? | 16:48 |
| kanzure | people can build a reprap for about $400 or less.. much less if you already have tools laying around | 16:48 |
| timschmidt | http://reprap.org/wiki/Automated_Circuitry_Making | 16:49 |
| kanzure | MichaelA: it is mentioned on the page, i told you- end of 2015 | 16:49 |
| timschmidt | relevant page | 16:49 |
| timschmidt | http://reprap.org/wiki/File:Rampsbottom.jpg | 16:49 |
| MichaelA | oh, sorry | 16:49 |
| timschmidt | printed on a mendel | 16:49 |
| kanzure | "with an award date of December 31, 2012. It is presently funded at $20,000." | 16:49 |
| kanzure | "The Grand Prize is expected to be funded at $80,000 before launch (it is presently not funded)." basically meaning "this doesn't exist yet" | 16:49 |
| MichaelA | these printed circuit boards seem extremely prototype-based and experimental, but OK | 16:50 |
| timschmidt | as you can see, there are perhaps 10 different methods | 16:50 |
| MichaelA | and yeah, I like the Gada prize | 16:50 |
| timschmidt | most of them have been executed to "proof of concept" level | 16:50 |
| MichaelA | the water prize seemed especially overambitious, though | 16:50 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm not too fond of the water liberation prize either | 16:50 |
| kanzure | especially since the results can be proprietary | 16:50 |
| MichaelA | nowhere on this page does it say, "the circuit boards actually worked when we used them in application X": I happen to feel that personal identity is about far more than the "legal name" because we do not get to choose any of this for ourselves. I personally feel like my "legal identity" is a fiction, a mask I wear because I cannot as yet correct the dichotomy between my mental identity and the physical body I was trapped in | 16:50 |
| MichaelA | d'oh | 16:50 |
| kanzure | imho using $ for IPR or Intellectual Property is a serious mismanagement of non-profit orgs' funds at this point | 16:50 |
| MichaelA | I meant to copy and paste: http://reprap.org/wiki/Automated_Circuitry_Making | 16:51 |
| timschmidt | MichaelA: repraps aren't known for making mass-production quality stuff. one-offs will always look a little dodgy | 16:51 |
| MichaelA | yeah, like molds for pewter rings | 16:51 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, definitely (relatively) rapid turnaround prototyping rather than manufacturing. | 16:52 |
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| kanzure | heh MichaelA i don't know if you know jrayhawk | 16:53 |
| timschmidt | http://builders.reprap.org/2010/03/open-source-circuit-boards-using-reprap.html | 16:54 |
| timschmidt | this board was assembled and worked | 16:54 |
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| MichaelA | cool | 16:55 |
| MichaelA | nice resolution | 16:55 |
| jrayhawk | That's not too bad. Most people who do by-hand etching do worse. | 16:55 |
| joshcryer | That's definitely cool. | 16:56 |
| QuantumG | it's not 3d printing | 16:56 |
| gleapsite | yeah its subtractive milling. | 16:56 |
| MichaelA | "nice resolution" is sarcasm btw | 16:57 |
| timschmidt | http://blog.reprap.org/2010/09/reprap-repraps-reprap-electronics.html | 16:57 |
| timschmidt | that's Adrian's work | 16:57 |
| MichaelA | Cool | 16:58 |
| MichaelA | Adrian is brilliant | 16:58 |
| MichaelA | anyway Bryan, if I really wanted to usher in a "transhumanist future" I'd probably focus on DMS, but I enjoy this RepRap stuff too | 16:58 |
| kanzure | MichaelA: yeah, i've become the new maintainer for nanoengineer | 16:59 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer | 16:59 |
| kanzure | gallery: http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=50 | 16:59 |
| kanzure | it's open-source nanotech CAD for DMS-related-stuff | 16:59 |
| joshcryer | DMS? | 17:00 |
| kanzure | diamondoid mechanosyntesis | 17:01 |
| kanzure | *mechanosynthesis | 17:01 |
| kanzure | see: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/freitas_process.txt | 17:01 |
| joshcryer | Ahh, thanks. | 17:01 |
| joshcryer | Thanks. | 17:01 |
| kanzure | that first link is p. good too http://www.molecularassembler.com/Papers/PathDiamMolMfg.htm#FreitasProcess | 17:02 |
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| QuantumG | so, why can't you just 3d print a plastic part and 2d print conductive ink on both sides of the part? | 17:05 |
| QuantumG | (to make a circuit board) | 17:05 |
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| QuantumG | and use low heat conductive paste to connect the components to the ink tracks? | 17:06 |
| gleapsite | got tech for 2d printing conductive ink at home? | 17:06 |
| gleapsite | Its entirely possible, but at that point whhy not just photolith and attach to the 3d part? | 17:07 |
| QuantumG | if you can do photolith under computer control, sure | 17:08 |
| QuantumG | ok, let's forget about the PCB.. is anyone doing an at-home soldering machine? (I know the answer is no :) | 17:09 |
| timschmidt | IDK about conductive ink for the traces themselves, but resistive ink (carbon, really) has been printed onto a printed plastic substrate, then copper's been electro-dep'd onto the carbon traces. | 17:09 |
| timschmidt | I've seen nice at-home vacuum pick-and-place, but I've not seen at home wave soldering | 17:10 |
| timschmidt | hot plates work well :) | 17:10 |
| QuantumG | someone's done electro-dep at home? | 17:10 |
| timschmidt | yep | 17:10 |
| QuantumG | url? | 17:10 |
| timschmidt | DC current and some pennies | 17:10 |
| timschmidt | :) | 17:10 |
| timschmidt | http://blog.reprap.org/2009/10/copper-plating-wire-glue-definite.html | 17:11 |
| gleapsite | http://steampunkworkshop.com/altoid-etch.shtml for some more DIY electroplating | 17:11 |
| gleapsite | I've seen toaster ovens used for SMD reflow. I haven't seen a DIY pick and place though. | 17:12 |
| timschmidt | in my experience, hot plates work better than toaster ovens | 17:13 |
| timschmidt | sparkfun did quite a large article | 17:14 |
| timschmidt | comparing various at-home methods for SMT | 17:14 |
| timschmidt | hot plates won out | 17:15 |
| gleapsite | instead of milling out a circuit board, why not just 3dprint a solderless breadboard with voids for the contacts? | 17:16 |
| gleapsite | fair enough. I'll go read that. | 17:16 |
| QuantumG | I wonder how many circuits of reprap could be implemented in an FPGA | 17:17 |
| kanzure | i would like an ASIC reprap | 17:17 |
| timschmidt | FIB! | 17:18 |
| timschmidt | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Focused_ion_beam | 17:19 |
| timschmidt | a.k.a. ASIC reprap | 17:19 |
| QuantumG | The non-recurring engineering cost of an ASIC can run into the millions of dollars. <- destroying that would be fun | 17:20 |
| timschmidt | a FIB machine can use gallium ions to dope silicon an atom at a time... | 17:20 |
| joshcryer | Meh, I'll yet convince you all that memristers are the future. | 17:20 |
| QuantumG | although FPGAs sidestep that, they don't destroy it | 17:20 |
| timschmidt | it's _already_ used to repair ASICs in the industry | 17:20 |
| timschmidt | it's not used for mass production because it'd be FAR too slow | 17:21 |
| timschmidt | but for one-offs, no problem | 17:21 |
| kanzure | i am p. sure you can directly convert software to vhdl/verilog and just use that for your ASIC | 17:22 |
| timschmidt | there's some work in that area, but no FPGAs are publicly documented, so compiling netlists, vhdl, verilog, whatever requires proprietary software. | 17:23 |
| timschmidt | and it's (doing the compiling) an area that would benefit from public research... it's an NP hard problem | 17:24 |
| timschmidt | traveling salesman and all that | 17:24 |
| * timschmidt did a stint with the Open Graphics Project... working with FPGAs | 17:25 | |
| gleapsite | True story. we used archaic solaris machines to compile VHDL for spartan3's at university just because the new licenses were to expensive. | 17:25 |
| timschmidt | http://fpgac.sourceforge.net/ | 17:28 |
| timschmidt | best we've got | 17:28 |
| gleapsite | I presume you all are familiar w/ Thompson combining FPGA's with genetic algorithms to produce evolvable hardware? | 17:29 |
| gleapsite | http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ade.html | 17:29 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 20:52 |
| kanzure | hi JayDugger | 21:26 |
| kanzure | the longevity paperdump is now complete: | 21:26 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/ | 21:26 |
| kanzure | not including aubrey de grey stuff.. i put that somewhere else for some strange reason | 21:27 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/Aubrey.zip | 21:58 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/Aubrey/ | 21:58 |
| kanzure | awful filenames. i'll have to fix that. | 21:59 |
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| fenn | http://stupidfilter.org/ now using support vector machines for classification | 22:20 |
| fenn | demo doesn't seem to work | 22:20 |
| fenn | zebrafish embryo development timelapse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx-cO_qBFtk | 22:24 |
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| fenn | The StupidFilter will cheerfully approve an eloquent, properly-capitalized defense of mandatory, state-subsidized rocket-launcher ownership for all schoolchildren. | 22:26 |
| JayDugger | That will certainly filter out the stupid. | 22:35 |
| fenn | why is the name "gabe ortiz" familiar? | 22:39 |
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| fenn | totally OT but i thought this was cool http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/05/03/business/20080403_SPENDING_GRAPHIC.html | 23:33 |
| fenn | wish i could do a disk map like this | 23:34 |
| JayDugger | I don't know about a voroni diagram, but your package manager probably has filelight. | 23:44 |
| JayDugger | http://www.methylblue.com/filelight/ | 23:45 |
| fenn | yeah, filelight is meh | 23:53 |
| fenn | gdmap is square meh | 23:53 |
| fenn | they both don't allow me to actually do anything | 23:54 |
| fenn | for example maybe i want to look at the file, or delete a group of files | 23:55 |
| JayDugger | Filelight lets you right-click for a conext menu of various actions. | 23:58 |
| fenn | last i checked filelight didnt even show individual files | 23:59 |
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