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| JayDugger | Let me test my currently installed version. That will keep me honest. | 00:01 |
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| JayDugger | Filelight's context menu permits, depending on the directory the mouse pointer hovers above, recentering the map on that directory, opening Konqueror there, opening Konsole there, and recursively deleting there. | 00:06 |
| JayDugger | Filelight, if the scale permits, shows individual files. | 00:07 |
| JayDugger | YMMV. | 00:08 |
| JayDugger | At file level, Filelight's context menu will open, delete, or copy to the clipboard that file. | 00:10 |
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| timschmidt | hey, a couple days ago, someone here linked to small inserts that could go in tubes, and produced a vortex that mixed thing moving through the tubes... | 01:02 |
| timschmidt | anyone have the link? | 01:02 |
| timschmidt | nevermind: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Static_mixer | 01:03 |
| fenn | just curious why you were looking for that? | 01:46 |
| timschmidt | macavity in #reprap is designing an extruder for cement + PVA glue + waterglass | 01:49 |
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| Lukas__ | Huzzah | 02:01 |
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| Lukas__ | Good morning | 04:21 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/gene-therapy/ | 06:21 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/ | 06:21 |
| kanzure | poor implementation but nice name: http://virushunters.net/ | 06:28 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/myostatin/ | 06:29 |
| timschmidt | So I've just about got a wrench-buildable $100ish metal lathe designed | 06:41 |
| kanzure | what's with the drop in gene therapy clinical trials last year? http://www.abedia.com/wiley/images/1006years.jpg | 06:41 |
| timschmidt | utilizing steel gridbeam | 06:41 |
| JayDugger | Oh? | 06:41 |
| JayDugger | What does the steel gridbeam cost you? | 06:41 |
| timschmidt | in my area... about $22 / 6ft | 06:41 |
| timschmidt | from Menards | 06:42 |
| JayDugger | Menards sells steel grid beam? | 06:42 |
| timschmidt | yeah | 06:42 |
| timschmidt | 1" and 1.5" widths | 06:42 |
| timschmidt | It's in the nuts and bolts section | 06:43 |
| timschmidt | $22 / 6ft seems to be nearly identical to the pricing of misumi aluminum 8020 | 06:44 |
| timschmidt | which is as cheap as that stuff gets | 06:44 |
| timschmidt | :-/ | 06:44 |
| JayDugger | I don't see it on Menards.com | 06:45 |
| timschmidt | they have it | 06:46 |
| kanzure | heh sql injection vulnerabilities on the gene therapy database <3 | 06:46 |
| timschmidt | I've purchased it at the Menards in Grand Rapids, and Lansing | 06:46 |
| kanzure | http://www.abedia.com/wiley/search_results.php?TrialCountry=China%27%20OR%201=%271 | 06:47 |
| JayDugger | I'll keep looking. Back to your lathe. | 06:47 |
| timschmidt | They sell it under the "Steelworks" brand | 06:47 |
| timschmidt | I've got the motor mount, spindle, and tailstock figured out | 06:50 |
| timschmidt | not much left to do | 06:50 |
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| Lukas__ | thanks Kanzure | 06:55 |
| timschmidt | JayDugger: are you interested in designing gridbeam stuff? | 06:58 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: any chance you could point me to your stl2png rendering scripts? | 07:05 |
| timschmidt | I'm going to need to generate a lot of pretty renders soon | 07:06 |
| kanzure | sure.. h | 07:10 |
| kanzure | uh.. let me dig. | 07:10 |
| kanzure | step2png stuff is over here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb under import_tools/ | 07:10 |
| kanzure | my copy of stl2pov was taken from the web | 07:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/software/stl2pov-2.4.3.tar.gz | 07:12 |
| kanzure | http://counter.reprap.org/stl2web/ | 07:12 |
| joshcryer | timschmidt, any reason not to use Blender? Lots of batches to do? | 07:15 |
| kanzure | lol blender | 07:16 |
| kanzure | i wish i had some sort of anti-blender +5 shield | 07:16 |
| * joshcryer blends kanzure | 07:16 | |
| kanzure | as long as you give me a high poly count. | 07:16 |
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| joshcryer | Import stl (file->import->stl), delete-cube-object (left click, delete), select stl object (left click), press s for scaling, scale to 1:1 with grid, use, render. | 07:17 |
| joshcryer | Let me know when our machines have resolution higher than stl files. No, really, I think that should be a real goal. Force people to use parametric objects or nurbs, etc. | 07:19 |
| * timschmidt does CSG modeling, and doesn't know a lick of Blender | 07:19 | |
| joshcryer | stl destroys the CSG, though. :/ | 07:20 |
| kanzure | stl is a bad idea and you should stop pimping it, joshcryer | 07:20 |
| joshcryer | I'm not pimping it. | 07:20 |
| timschmidt | joshcryer: indeed it does. what relevance is this to me? | 07:20 |
| kanzure | a pimp for blender is a pimp for stl | 07:21 |
| kanzure | :P | 07:21 |
| joshcryer | timschmidt, you asked for a rendering method to render stl files did you not? | 07:21 |
| timschmidt | yes, to render them to 2D images | 07:21 |
| timschmidt | I'm not doing my work in STL | 07:21 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: you should have given him a headless blender script for rendering shit | 07:21 |
| timschmidt | it's a middling format | 07:21 |
| timschmidt | OpenSCAD -> STL -> PNG | 07:22 |
| joshcryer | Hmm is thingiverse rendering STL files or are those peoples' uploads? | 07:22 |
| timschmidt | you know, for the web! | 07:22 |
| kanzure | thingiverse renders stl via stl2pov | 07:22 |
| joshcryer | Ahh | 07:22 |
| timschmidt | it often barfs on large ones though | 07:22 |
| joshcryer | I really ought to get an account there. | 07:22 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: it's not worth it | 07:22 |
| joshcryer | (just so I'm not asking so many questions) | 07:22 |
| kanzure | stl2pov isn't something you magically learn about when you register.. | 07:23 |
| JayDugger | Yes, Tim Schmidt, I have a book scanner project on my to-do list. | 07:23 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, fair enough. | 07:23 |
| kanzure | "Thank you for registering! Here's exactly how to mimic the entire thingiverse infrastructure:" | 07:23 |
| timschmidt | sadly, no | 07:23 |
| joshcryer | (it would've answered the question about whether or not it rendered the files for you and could've promted more exploration as to how) | 07:23 |
| JayDugger | There exists at least one design using 8020 on diybookscanner.org, and grid beam looks like a good substitute if 8020 proves too expensive. | 07:23 |
| kanzure | if anyone wants to go into business with me and isn't afraid of actually doing business :P i have an 8020 distributorship opening. | 07:24 |
| timschmidt | I asked because I wrote a gridbeam CAD library now included with MCAD, which makes prototyping virtually very easy | 07:24 |
| timschmidt | I'd like to see something similar in MCAD for 8020 | 07:24 |
| * kanzure nos | 07:24 | |
| kanzure | nods | 07:24 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, 8020 distributorship? | 07:25 |
| timschmidt | MCAD: http://reprap.org/wiki/MCAD | 07:25 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: yeah.. i had a few business partners but they weren't really interested in *doing business* on this prjoect | 07:26 |
| kanzure | *project | 07:26 |
| kanzure | i can't run it full time because i'm busy | 07:26 |
| kanzure | but the moola is good. | 07:26 |
| joshcryer | I'm quitting my job in a few more months and going off of pure android / iphone cash flow. | 07:27 |
| Lukas__ | D: | 07:34 |
| JayDugger | timschmidt, do you have a link for the Steelworks grid beam? | 07:34 |
| timschmidt | nope | 07:34 |
| JayDugger | No worries. | 07:45 |
| JayDugger | Where will you announce the completed lathe design? | 07:45 |
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| timschmidt | I can blurb about it here again | 07:47 |
| JayDugger | Please do, here or in #reprap. It interests me. | 07:48 |
| timschmidt | the makefile for stl2pov doesn't agree with GNU make :( | 07:48 |
| timschmidt | solution: upgrade to stl2pov 2.4.4 | 07:50 |
| timschmidt | :-/ wasn't aware povray is licensed in a non-free way | 07:58 |
| timschmidt | no fedora packages | 07:58 |
| kanzure | i think yaray might be a compatible alternative | 07:58 |
| kanzure | megapov | 07:58 |
| kanzure | http://zrcube.sf.net/ | 07:59 |
| kanzure | oops i meant yafaray not yaray | 08:00 |
| kanzure | http://yafaray.org/ | 08:00 |
| kanzure | stl2pov probably isn't too interesting.. convert all triangles into pov-triangles, not a huge deal | 08:01 |
| kanzure | although the camera angles, environment, grid, etc. will be annoying to port over | 08:01 |
| timschmidt | ok, povray installed. Seems to work, but I get a black image the size I request | 08:03 |
| joshcryer | timschmidt, don't kill me: http://farmerjoe.info/?p=2 | 08:06 |
| timschmidt | heh, I think I'm just missing a few options | 08:07 |
| timschmidt | will bang on it for another few minutes | 08:07 |
| kanzure | a headless blender is fine for rendering IMHO | 08:08 |
| kanzure | but *ray probably has a lighter footprint | 08:08 |
| joshcryer | Yeah, go with whatever works, that link may not pose a full solution anyway. | 08:11 |
| timschmidt | hrm. still no dice. just black images | 08:16 |
| timschmidt | hrm. appears as though stl2pov did not add a light source | 08:20 |
| timschmidt | that would do it | 08:20 |
| kanzure | heh :) | 08:35 |
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| kanzure | timschmidt: feel free to fork it, since i'll be using this in the future as well | 08:35 |
| kanzure | i don't know if it's actively maintained | 08:36 |
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| timschmidt | k | 08:36 |
| timschmidt | finally have it rendering | 08:43 |
| joshcryer | Pics? :D | 08:43 |
| kanzure | pics or it didn't happen | 08:43 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: do you have webspace somewhere? | 08:44 |
| kanzure | and would you like an account on gnusha.org | 08:44 |
| kanzure | (diyhpl.us) | 08:44 |
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| timschmidt | http://imgur.com/XM57s | 08:48 |
| timschmidt | first crappy render | 08:48 |
| timschmidt | will hack stl2pov to generate code that actually renders soon | 08:49 |
| joshcryer | :D | 08:50 |
| kanzure | "Blogger Superkuh documented a surreal conversation he had with Pitchford" | 08:52 |
| kanzure | blogger? :/ | 08:52 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 08:53 |
| joshcryer | 'night JayDugger | 08:53 |
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| joshcryer | Should I know superkuh? | 08:54 |
| timschmidt | ugh | 08:54 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: he's in here. | 08:54 |
| kanzure | i dunno if i'd describe him as a blogger :P | 08:54 |
| joshcryer | He seems to be more of an IRCer. | 08:56 |
| timschmidt | based on stl2pov's output, it should be easy to adapt to any of the various povray-like softwares | 09:24 |
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| kanzure | "do any of these guys have real jobs?" http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/humanity-board-directors-elections#comment-13115 | 10:00 |
| kanzure | heh. | 10:00 |
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| kanzure | (the answer is yes of course.. michael works for halcyon and singinst, patri has worked for google for too long, todd works for DARPA, and ben has too many jobs) | 10:01 |
| Lukas__ | I always wondered that | 10:05 |
| kanzure | ? | 10:07 |
| Lukas__ | If a lot of the people at H+ ever did anything practical | 10:10 |
| kanzure | do you mean practical transhuman tech or practical anything? | 10:11 |
| Lukas__ | practical anything | 10:12 |
| kanzure | *shrug* sure | 10:12 |
| Lukas__ | Still, there is probably a list with the credentials of various people at H+ somewhere out there | 10:13 |
| Lukas__ | I admit, I am lazy | 10:13 |
| kanzure | ben goertzel CV http://www.goertzel.org/Goertzel_resume.pdf | 10:14 |
| kanzure | academic CV http://www.goertzel.org/Goertzel_cv.pdf | 10:14 |
| kanzure | natasha vita-more's CV http://www.natasha.cc/Nov_2009.pdf | 10:15 |
| kanzure | hm who else has a usable CV on the board.. uh. | 10:16 |
| joshcryer | Not having a real job could be a plus. | 10:23 |
| kanzure | nanotech paperdump upload has finished | 10:23 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/nanotech/ | 10:23 |
| joshcryer | Update your pic kanzure. | 10:25 |
| kanzure | where/which | 10:25 |
| joshcryer | The shaggy one. | 10:30 |
| Lukas__ | Has anyone tried experimenting on human tissue yet | 10:38 |
| Lukas__ | ? | 10:38 |
| * archels points at the cutters scene | 10:44 | |
| Lukas__ | ? | 10:48 |
| Lukas__ | Kanzure, may I please have that cache on gene therapy you posted two days ago? | 10:54 |
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| kanzure | Lukas__: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/gene-therpay/ | 11:17 |
| kanzure | er | 11:17 |
| kanzure | Lukas__: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/gene-therapy/ | 11:17 |
| Lukas__ | :D | 11:18 |
| Lukas__ | thank you | 11:18 |
| Lukas__ | also, lol @ your bodybuilding page | 11:19 |
| Lukas__ | I am going to go through them later tonight, I've been looking for ways to optimize my workout routine (though I only do bodyweight training) | 11:20 |
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| Lukas__ | what is Kevin Warwick up to? | 11:48 |
| CryptoQuick | Lukas__: I remember that guy! he was on Wired magazine, like, earlier last decade | 12:01 |
| Lukas__ | I am surprised Wired hasn't done anything more recent | 12:06 |
| CryptoQuick | Wired, Tired, Expired: Wired | 12:06 |
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| kanzure | "extrapolaholics anonymous" | 12:43 |
| Lukas__ | what? | 12:44 |
| Lukas__ | ah | 12:46 |
| Lukas__ | What do you make of it, Kanzure? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | i laughed :) | 12:55 |
| kanzure | anyway, i've fixed http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/Aubrey/ | 12:55 |
| kanzure | so that papers now have relevant names | 12:55 |
| kanzure | also new papers since 2007 are in here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/Aubrey/new-via-sens.org/ | 12:56 |
| Lukas__ | thanks | 12:57 |
| Lukas__ | You haven't touched your youtube channel in a while and you've got a lot of information to share to potential DIYers | 12:57 |
| kanzure | video isn't the best format for the things i need to get done.. | 12:59 |
| CryptoQuick | wiki? | 13:03 |
| CryptoQuick | as in, a wiki? | 13:03 |
| * kanzure scratches his head | 13:04 | |
| kanzure | i don't think doing software or hardware development in a wiki is a good idea | 13:04 |
| kanzure | and you're probably trolling me | 13:04 |
| Lukas__ | XD | 13:05 |
| CryptoQuick | I'm not! I used to do a wiki a while ago | 13:05 |
| CryptoQuick | was doing some development in it, but nothing major | 13:05 |
| CryptoQuick | en.phyco.org | 13:05 |
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| kanzure | timschmidt: did you ever end up adding a metadata.yaml to your openscad-filled git repos? | 13:16 |
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| kanzure | hi gleapsite | 13:22 |
| kanzure | dunno if you're into life extension stuff :) just uploaded: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/Aubrey/ | 13:22 |
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| gleapsite | I'll probably be reading a lot of /papers/ | 13:28 |
| kanzure | :) | 13:28 |
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| gleapsite | re: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/2007-12-Directed_Energy_Beam_weapons_Report.pdf have you seen http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/12/boeing-747-destroys-ballistic-missile-with-laser/ | 13:29 |
| gleapsite | I guess this is why Reagan called it "star wars" | 13:30 |
| kanzure | superkuh probably knows more on that front than i do | 13:31 |
| kanzure | Perspectives on the American Physical Society Directed Energy Report http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Electromagnetics/Perspectives%20on%20the%20American%20Physical%20Society%20Directed%20Energy%20Report.pdf | 13:32 |
| gleapsite | I can only link publicly available materials. :) | 13:32 |
| kanzure | Diffraction effects in directed radiation beams http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Electromagnetics/Diffraction%20Effects%20in%20Directed%20Radiation%20Beams.pdf | 13:32 |
| kanzure | gleapsite: ah i see how it is | 13:32 |
| kanzure | have fun with your lasers | 13:32 |
| kanzure | actually this entire directory is probably your cup of tea http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Electromagnetics/ | 13:33 |
| gleapsite | from the DIY angle, supposedly you can rip the magnetron out of a microwave, add some control circuitry, connect it to a parabolic dish and make your own ray gun | 13:33 |
| gleapsite | yes. | 13:34 |
| gleapsite | you might want to add this, its distro A (unlimited): http://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedia/Navy%20handbook/EW_Radar_Handbook.pdf | 13:36 |
| gleapsite | Electronic warfare and radar systems engineering handbook | 13:36 |
| gleapsite | covers a lot of the basics | 13:36 |
| Lukas__ | DIY weapons? | 13:37 |
| gleapsite | directed energy beams | 13:37 |
| gleapsite | Its why I want to find a different job. | 13:37 |
| Lukas__ | Excuse my ignorance, but what for? | 13:38 |
| gleapsite | but. that EW handbook is applicable for more than just warfare | 13:38 |
| gleapsite | well, I've never really liked working on weapons. | 13:39 |
| kanzure | gleapsite: is there any explanation out there (maybe on arxiv?) better than "virtual photons!" for electromagnetism? | 13:43 |
| gleapsite | kanzure: I don't understand your question, like an into to wave theory? | 13:45 |
| kanzure | no | 13:45 |
| kanzure | feynman's best explanation of electromagnetism and electrodynamics involved his path integral formulation (sum over histories) and, in particular, a mechanical explanation using "virtual photons" | 13:45 |
| kanzure | but ultimately he kinda gave up on any usable explanation. | 13:46 |
| gleapsite | No. I've never explored this aspect of electromagnetism. I always took the underlying physics as a given. | 13:48 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle | 13:48 |
| kanzure | okie dokie. | 13:48 |
| gleapsite | kanzure, already there :) | 13:49 |
| kanzure | "The magnetic field between magnetic dipoles. It is caused by the exchange of virtual photons. In symmetric 3-dimensional space this exchange results in the inverse square law for magnetic force. Since the photon has no mass, the magnetic potential has an infinite range." | 13:49 |
| gleapsite | from my experience, the inverse square law holds up in free space, but on the surface its more of a 1/r^4 | 13:50 |
| gleapsite | I'll read up | 13:50 |
| kanzure | not a big deal- was just picking your brainzz | 13:51 |
| kanzure | *brainz | 13:51 |
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| kanzure | http://biopunkreader.com/?cat=6 | 14:35 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i'm looking for python-qt4.deb for pyqt 4.2.. is there a quick/easy way via apt to search for old package version numbers? | 14:36 |
| AlonzoTG1 | om | 14:37 |
| jrayhawk | If you add every repository ever, yes, but usually it's more practical to use packages.debian.org/packagename for recent stuff and google search site:archive.debian.org for older stuff | 14:38 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i'm getting python-qt4=4.4.2 when i search via google :/ (because 4.4.2 looks a lot like 4.2) | 14:38 |
| kanzure | google has become retarded about numbers | 14:38 |
| kanzure | lol no results for site:archive.debian.org "python-qt4" "4.2" -4.4.2 | 14:39 |
| kanzure | this is stupid. | 14:39 |
| kanzure | i wonder if 4.4.2 refers to qt4 4.2 not 4.4.2 | 14:40 |
| jrayhawk | ugh, that's right in the middle of the etch/sarge gap. It's unlikely that's kept anywhere. | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | ubuntu might have it in some form; no idea if it would be safe to install on debian. | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | the giant woody/sarge and sarge/etch release delays are why ubuntu exists, even | 14:46 |
| kanzure | nevermind.. fenn to the rescue | 14:46 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/compile_nanoengineer | 14:46 |
| kanzure | wget http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/bhelfrich/BuildMeister/PyQt-x11-gpl-4.3.3.tar.gz | 14:46 |
| kanzure | nanoengineer has been segfaulting because of pyqt4 4.6.. well, probably because it's using some deprecated way to initialize the windows | 14:48 |
| kanzure | wut | 14:51 |
| kanzure | Error: This version of PyQt and the Desktop edition of Qt have incompatible licenses. | 14:51 |
| QuantumG | what a joke | 14:54 |
| kanzure | screw it i'll just fix the seg fault. jeesh. | 14:55 |
| kanzure | a guy can't try to cut corners these days? | 14:55 |
| QuantumG | http://colbert.physics.harvard.edu/ | 15:04 |
| QuantumG | (on Slashdot now) | 15:04 |
| QuantumG | I was thinking about this the other day.. C. elegans is the only multicellular organism known to be able to survive the space environment. With this (crude) tech you could have them wiggle around the hull of your spacecraft and fix micrometeroid impacts ;) | 15:06 |
| Lukas__ | I'd rather just use the genes that make them radiation resistance for ourselves | 15:08 |
| Lukas__ | or we could do both | 15:08 |
| QuantumG | it's more the hard vacuum resistance that makes em useful :) | 15:09 |
| Lukas__ | there has to be a biochemical property that allows them to withstand that | 15:10 |
| Lukas__ | if that is true, then it can be harnessed and scaled up | 15:10 |
| kanzure | why don't i have a /papers/bio/syntheticbiology directory | 15:26 |
| kanzure | what injustice in this world. | 15:26 |
| kanzure | while i'm at it is there some commonly-known way to get rsync to detect file moves/renames? | 15:27 |
| jrayhawk | You'd have to build a separate tool for making hash tables, I believe. | 15:28 |
| jrayhawk | git annex would make this easy, but it's a little flaky. | 15:28 |
| kanzure | seems easier to just write a script for my file renames and then run the script on all mirror locations | 15:28 |
| kanzure | 'easier' | 15:28 |
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| fenn | git-annex looks pretty cool | 16:13 |
| fenn | why is it flaky? | 16:13 |
| kanzure | new: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/phosphoramidite/ | 16:30 |
| Lukas__ | Oops! This link appears to be broken. | 16:41 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/phosphoramidites/ | 16:47 |
| Lukas__ | :D | 16:48 |
| Lukas__ | thanks | 16:48 |
| Lukas__ | When I'm at the main index, how do I access the individual indexes? | 16:53 |
| kanzure | please restate the question | 16:54 |
| kanzure | you can sort by size to see the folders listed first.. | 16:54 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/?C=S;O=A | 16:54 |
| kanzure | is that what you want? | 16:54 |
| Lukas__ | bingo | 16:54 |
| Lukas__ | thank you | 16:54 |
| Lukas__ | Sorry for the clumsy wording | 16:55 |
| kanzure | oh hm i forgot about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/igem/ | 16:55 |
| fenn | heh "augment early and often" - jurvetson | 17:19 |
| kanzure | who the hell is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz@gmail.com | 17:21 |
| Lukas__ | troll | 17:23 |
| Lukas__ | I'll see you guys tomorrow | 17:30 |
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| fenn | i'd let the AI out of the box... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_vw2U8p3sM&hd=1 | 17:38 |
| fenn | "The screen will work for about 15 years after purchase before it will have to undergo a partial repair. Therefore it depends on the buyer whether they let the woman float for a further 15 years in the bath.... " | 17:39 |
| * kanzure just got the source code for theuncertainfuture.com | 17:43 | |
| kanzure | everyone at singinst.org agrees it should be open source but there is no specific license chosen | 17:44 |
| kanzure | should i commit an agpl LICENSE file? | 17:44 |
| fenn | sure, why not? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | great. where do i find that :( | 17:45 |
| gleapsite | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl.html ? | 17:45 |
| kanzure | that's .html | 17:45 |
| kanzure | ah here we go http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.txt | 17:45 |
| gleapsite | what do you need? | 17:45 |
| kanzure | got it. | 17:46 |
| gleapsite | agpl means that even people who just use the software to provide a service also have to publish source, vs gpl where they don't. right? | 17:49 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:50 |
| kanzure | uploading.. | 17:51 |
| gleapsite | Any recommended reading for convincing an employer to release code as open source? | 17:52 |
| kanzure | is it your current employer? | 17:53 |
| kanzure | enthought.com might have someone who can help | 17:53 |
| gleapsite | maybe I'll give them a call. | 17:55 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/uncertainfuture/ | 18:07 |
| kanzure | behold | 18:07 |
| kanzure | i'm a little disappointed that for something starting in 2008-07-01 the repo begins 2009-11-24 | 18:08 |
| kanzure | see it in action: http://theuncertainfuture.com/ | 18:12 |
| QuantumG | how big was the first commit? | 18:16 |
| kanzure | big.. had lots of stupid binaries | 18:19 |
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| kanzure | i've always failed at using theuncertainfuture.com.. it always tells me a singularity happens around 2018 | 18:36 |
| QuantumG | what's the singularity again? | 18:36 |
| QuantumG | "A technological singularity is a hypothetical event occurring when technological progress becomes so rapid that it makes the future after the singularity qualitatively different and harder to predict." | 18:38 |
| QuantumG | gee, that's helpful | 18:38 |
| kanzure | a point in our civilization's history where technology development curves go exponential | 18:38 |
| kanzure | er, exponential or logarthimic within more local time frames | 18:38 |
| QuantumG | I'm pretty sure Facebook was unimaginable in 1990 | 18:38 |
| kanzure | singinst.org will claim that the "only" definition of 'singularity' is one where you have Intelligence making more Intelligent Intelligence | 18:38 |
| QuantumG | clearly the singularity happened around 1995 | 18:38 |
| kanzure | fenn claims it happened in 1968 | 18:39 |
| QuantumG | if it's entirely about the future being harder to predict, then isn't Kurzweil actively working against the singularity with all his prediction stuff? | 18:39 |
| kanzure | well for some people it's nerd-rapture (i.e. ai will kill us all) | 18:42 |
| QuantumG | isn't there plenty of people in the world right now that are incapable of imagining life in the western world (I don't actually know) | 18:43 |
| kanzure | it's not realy about an anti-prediction barrier.. i could care less about that | 18:43 |
| kanzure | no, wait, i can't | 18:43 |
| QuantumG | ok, even if you define it as machine-intelligence > human-intelligence, it's still about the social implications of that isn't it? | 18:44 |
| kanzure | depends who you ask :P | 18:44 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularitarianism nice | 18:44 |
| kanzure | yep | 18:44 |
| kanzure | i thought you knew why i'm always complaining about eliezer's cult? | 18:45 |
| QuantumG | eliezer? | 18:45 |
| QuantumG | I've never read these principles | 18:45 |
| QuantumG | A Singularitarian believes the Singularity should benefit the entire world, and should not be a means to benefit any specific individual or group. <- I guess I fail | 18:46 |
| kanzure | basically singularity institute exists to take control of 'the singularity' and make sure it's beneficial, blah blah blah | 18:46 |
| kanzure | i meant to scarequote "control" not "the singularity" oops | 18:47 |
| QuantumG | I guess I should solve this strong AI problem already eh? | 18:48 |
| QuantumG | I'm so lazy | 18:48 |
| gleapsite | just program a computer to do it. | 18:48 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: oh, you should've linked to https://github.com/samuellab/mindcontrol | 20:31 |
| kanzure | glad to see some optogenetics stuff | 20:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: what does anselm say | 20:32 |
| delinquentme | so im learning how silicon chips are made for the first time | 21:29 |
| delinquentme | AWESOME | 21:30 |
| delinquentme | the seed crystal omg so sweet | 21:30 |
| delinquentme | spin it around and a HUGE chunk of silicon comes out | 21:30 |
| kanzure | fenn: i just saw your hplusmagazine.com comment.. it's not clear to me, which candidate is a part of the rat race? :D | 21:59 |
| delinquentme | hey kanzure you dont happen to have any groups of videos from discoverys how its made on roboots or cool things like that do you? | 22:06 |
| kanzure | typos? what | 22:29 |
| delinquentme | discovery channel ! | 22:34 |
| delinquentme | how its made | 22:34 |
| delinquentme | roboots! and other cool things | 22:34 |
| fenn | "which candidate is a part of the rat race" neither of them | 22:55 |
| fenn | i was responding to the comment above it | 22:55 |
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