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| Matvey | Good morning | 01:25 |
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| Utopiah | (too bad that open journal system dont provide RSS by default :( | 01:37 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning | 04:51 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning | 06:36 |
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| kanzure | subject: Invitation to expert workshop on the future of open fabrication (Institute for the Future) | 07:23 |
| kanzure | "Dear Bryan, | 07:23 |
| kanzure | I am writing to invite you to participate in a day-long expert workshop on the future of open fabrication, being held at Institute for the Future in Palo Alto, CA. The workshop will take place on March 1, 2011, and your input will shape a major forecast study. I discovered your work through the Google Open Manufacturing group. I think you bring a great perspective as a young leader in this field." | 07:23 |
| kanzure | people listed: fraunfelder, jon phillips, david brin (what the fuck?), bunnie huang, tom igoe, bre pettis, eric wilhelm, jeff kowalski (autodesk jeff??), terry whollers | 07:23 |
| Lukas_ | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2011/01/12/google-attempts-real-time-and-audible-translation | 07:34 |
| Lukas_ | hello Kanzure | 07:34 |
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| Lukas_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKBjt5z_EcY | 09:10 |
| Lukas_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQEHtvNsfKE&NR=1 | 09:17 |
| kanzure | what are these? | 09:17 |
| kanzure | lightbulb pcr machine | 09:23 |
| kanzure | http://www.russelldurrett.com/lightbulbpcr.html | 09:23 |
| kanzure | also with video http://vimeo.com/18827627 | 09:23 |
| Lukas_ | An interesting user interface that uses physical gestures to do things like take pictures or find information on an object (book, landmark, etc.) or person | 09:26 |
| Lukas_ | the inventor says he wants to make it open source | 09:26 |
| Lukas_ | Pranav Mistry is his name | 09:26 |
| Lukas_ | http://www.pranavmistry.com/ | 09:27 |
| Lukas_ | and he has a website | 09:27 |
| Lukas_ | Interesting, thanks for the video Kanzure | 09:29 |
| kanzure | http://biohack.me/ | 09:38 |
| kanzure | looks like it was registered 10 days ago.. meh | 09:38 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/elginer/selfmodifier.org-portal/ | 09:38 |
| Lukas_ | Kanzure, do you know what biohack.me is about? | 09:41 |
| Lukas_ | What do they do? (or plan to do) | 09:42 |
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| archels | http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/01/20/1546206/Polynomial-Time-Code-For-3-SAT-Released-PNP | 09:45 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: what's a good irc bot for bridging two channels? | 09:50 |
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| Lukas_ | I have some reservations about Biohack.me - I'm afraid they may unnecessarily hurt themselves | 10:07 |
| kanzure | i think they will do fine. | 10:08 |
| Lukas_ | If they plan out their projects properly they will | 10:09 |
| kanzure | irc.wutnet.net #biohack | 10:14 |
| Lukas_ | We're the only two there :D | 10:17 |
| kanzure | what? | 10:17 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: wrong network bro.. i said irc.wutnet.net not irc.freenode.net | 10:17 |
| Lukas_ | *facepalm* | 10:18 |
| kanzure | :P | 10:20 |
| kanzure | archels: you're my bro too. | 10:20 |
| kanzure | don't feel left out | 10:20 |
| Utopiah | supybot can bridge channels over different networks but AFAIK they have to have the same name by default (sources available though) | 10:21 |
| kanzure | that's an odd condition. | 10:22 |
| Utopiah | http://ubottu.com/stdin/supydocs/plugins/Relay.html | 10:24 |
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| kanzure | hi lichen! welcome to the fold | 10:35 |
| lichen | hello | 10:35 |
| Lukas_ | Hello Lichen | 10:35 |
| lichen | i'll probably still keep #biohack up for the biohack.me magnet/southpaw people | 10:35 |
| lichen | but i'll be here too | 10:35 |
| kanzure | is there any particular reason biohack.me created yet another site for this? | 10:35 |
| lichen | idk | 10:36 |
| lichen | imo that's not a bad thing | 10:36 |
| lichen | it means that the community/field is growing | 10:37 |
| kanzure | 'course | 10:37 |
| Lukas_ | true | 10:37 |
| Lukas_ | Are you guys working on any projects? | 10:38 |
| kanzure | southpaw/magnets | 10:38 |
| lichen | that community is mostly focused on magnet implants and southpaw stuff | 10:38 |
| lichen | lepht's shit basically | 10:38 |
| kanzure | lichen: here was my public response to the wired article: | 10:38 |
| kanzure | http://exi-chat.blogspot.com/2011/01/exi-transcending-human-diy-style.html | 10:38 |
| kanzure | lepht is more of a liability imho | 10:38 |
| lichen | i dont think i ever saw the wired article | 10:38 |
| kanzure | tons of people do these implants.. it's not new | 10:38 |
| lichen | saw the 27c3 vids through grinding.be | 10:38 |
| kanzure | lichen: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/transcending-the-human-diy-style/ | 10:39 |
| kanzure | basically it was a massive troll against diy transhumanism | 10:39 |
| lichen | i wouldnt really call shoving a manget in your finger transhumanism, although i plan on pursuing it myself | 10:39 |
| lichen | magnet* | 10:40 |
| kanzure | i know transhumanists who have done it | 10:40 |
| kanzure | i think it is related, but definitely more about grinding/bodymods | 10:40 |
| lichen | yes | 10:40 |
| lichen | lepht isnt flying under the transhumanist banner | 10:40 |
| kanzure | that's not what the article made it seem like :P | 10:41 |
| lichen | and biohack.me is more a grinding/piercing site | 10:41 |
| lichen | yeah, that's because it's wired :P | 10:41 |
| kanzure | heh | 10:41 |
| kanzure | lichen: did you read the backlog in #biohack? | 10:41 |
| lichen | yeah, enough to glean this channel out | 10:41 |
| kanzure | oh right | 10:42 |
| lichen | plenty of links i havent checked | 10:42 |
| kanzure | are you a linux user? | 10:42 |
| lichen | if necessary for what i'm working on | 10:42 |
| lichen | for desktop use i stick to windows | 10:42 |
| kanzure | one of the projects in here is skdb or 'apt-get for hardware' | 10:43 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/skdb | 10:43 |
| lichen | neat | 10:43 |
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| Lukas_ | Lichen | 10:45 |
| lichen | yeah? | 10:46 |
| Lukas_ | I keep getting " It works! This is the default web page for this server. The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet." when trying to access your irc channel | 10:46 |
| lichen | uh | 10:46 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: you're not using a real irc client | 10:46 |
| lichen | why are you going html? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | lichen: he's using webchat.freenode.net | 10:46 |
| lichen | yeah just connect to irc.wutnet.net | 10:46 |
| kanzure | lichen: he doesn't know how | 10:47 |
| lichen | oh, well, if you get a different client we can walk you through | 10:47 |
| * kanzure goes away for a few minutes | 10:47 | |
| lichen | i'm not sure about that one | 10:47 |
| lichen | web clients are always terrible | 10:47 |
| Lukas_ | okay, so how /where do I start? | 10:48 |
| lichen | well what OS are you running | 10:49 |
| lichen | that will limit what clients you can use | 10:49 |
| lichen | although xchat is cross-platform | 10:49 |
| lichen | i'm using that | 10:49 |
| lichen | it's a pretty straight-forward program to use, but if you have trouble i can try to help | 10:51 |
| Lukas_ | My OS is windows 7 | 10:53 |
| lichen | well there's xchat, mirc, irssi, among many, many other clients | 10:53 |
| Lukas_ | I am downloading xchat | 10:53 |
| lichen | ok | 10:53 |
| Lukas_ | downloaded | 10:56 |
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| Lucas_ | Hello | 11:00 |
| lichen | hi | 11:00 |
| Lucas_ | That was embarrassingly easy | 11:01 |
| lichen | well, now you can connect to other networks the same way you set up this one | 11:03 |
| Lucas_ | So you guys are at wutnet? | 11:03 |
| lichen | i set up #biohack there | 11:04 |
| lichen | its not very big, but yeah | 11:04 |
| Lucas_ | no problem | 11:04 |
| Lucas_ | I know how it is | 11:04 |
| Lucas_ | :D | 11:04 |
| lichen | pretty big for the community springing up like a week ago | 11:04 |
| Lucas_ | is it spelled WutNet? | 11:05 |
| lichen | irc.wutnet.net | 11:05 |
| Lucas_ | thanks | 11:05 |
| lichen | case never matters | 11:05 |
| Lucas_ | alright | 11:06 |
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| lichen | having trouble? | 11:14 |
| Lucas_ | yea ... <_< | 11:16 |
| lichen | network list | 11:16 |
| Lukas_ | Everything seems to be working fine | 11:16 |
| lichen | add new network | 11:16 |
| Lukas_ | yup | 11:16 |
| lichen | put in the info | 11:16 |
| lichen | connect from the network list | 11:16 |
| Lukas_ | that is what I did | 11:16 |
| lichen | well, clearly something went wrong | 11:16 |
| Lucas_ | yup - I am trying to figure out where I screwed up | 11:17 |
| lichen | do you even have another network listed in the sidebar? | 11:21 |
| Lucas_ | Yes, a bunch (which is how I got to FreeNode) | 11:21 |
| lichen | a bunch? | 11:22 |
| lichen | no, not in the network list | 11:22 |
| lichen | in the client window | 11:22 |
| Lucas_ | I added a new network (irc.wutnet.net) | 11:22 |
| lichen | ok | 11:22 |
| lichen | did you just NAME it that | 11:22 |
| lichen | or did you actually set the address to that | 11:22 |
| lichen | adding the server irc.wutnet.net to the wutnet listing in the network list | 11:23 |
| Lucas_ | ... *facepalm* | 11:26 |
| kanzure | lichen: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F | 11:32 |
| kanzure | might be of entertainment value. | 11:32 |
| lichen | lol | 11:33 |
| lichen | just so it's known, i'm completely new to this stuff | 11:33 |
| lichen | long interest in the field but never pursued any of it | 11:33 |
| Lucas_ | You're not the only new guy | 11:33 |
| Lucas_ | :D | 11:34 |
| lichen | fff i havent eaten anything yet today | 11:39 |
| lichen | afk | 11:40 |
| kanzure | me either it turns out i have to eat every day?? | 11:48 |
| Lukas_ | D: | 11:49 |
| Lukas_ | that is madness to the highest degree | 11:49 |
| Lukas_ | Kanzure, is there a reliable irc client that I can download? | 11:51 |
| kanzure | i use irssi. xchat is generally considered good. | 11:51 |
| Lukas_ | I just went to the xchan forums to see if there are issues with adding servers, it turns out there is (which is good, because for a moment I thought all of my brain cells had expired) | 11:52 |
| lichen | wait what | 11:57 |
| lichen | you couldnt get in? | 11:57 |
| lichen | thats really odd | 11:57 |
| Lukas_ | yup, I'm going to try again after I eat | 12:01 |
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| Lukas_ | anyway | 12:07 |
| Lukas_ | when did you start the group, lichen? | 12:07 |
| lichen | the #biohack channel? | 12:07 |
| lichen | uh, a week ago? | 12:07 |
| lichen | i checked | 12:08 |
| lichen | jan 15th | 12:08 |
| Lukas_ | How did you get such a sizable following? | 12:09 |
| lichen | sizable? | 12:09 |
| kanzure | haha wtf | 12:09 |
| lichen | there's 8 people in there | 12:09 |
| lichen | and they're not a following | 12:10 |
| lichen | i just made it for biohack.me's community to talk | 12:10 |
| lichen | because i dont like conversing through a forum format | 12:10 |
| lichen | its hard to get to know people that way | 12:10 |
| lichen | and have fluid conversation | 12:10 |
| Lukas_ | xD | 12:10 |
| Lukas_ | forgot the quotations | 12:11 |
| lichen | i'm not even close to any sort of 'leader' role, i just maintain an irc channel, lol | 12:11 |
| Lukas_ | 'sizable' | 12:11 |
| Lukas_ | anyway, a friend of mine and I have been trying to do the same thing | 12:11 |
| kanzure | ? | 12:11 |
| lichen | to do what | 12:11 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: have you got involved with genspace.org yet? | 12:12 |
| Lukas_ | just a community where people can get together and talk about project - kanzure already knows about it, but all it's amounted to is a crappy forum | 12:12 |
| kanzure | what is it with you people and forums | 12:12 |
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| Lukas_ | they are for newbs | 12:13 |
| lichen | i prefer irc/email/blogs myself | 12:13 |
| lichen | for chatting, messaging, and posting | 12:13 |
| kanzure | everyone who comes on to a mailing list always wants to convert the entire email list over to a forum | 12:13 |
| Lukas_ | I am very new to irc and blogs | 12:13 |
| kanzure | because forums are better than email (they probably are, for archiving) | 12:14 |
| Lukas_ | yup | 12:14 |
| kanzure | (in terms of nobody having to remember to configure the email to show up on the web somewhere) | 12:14 |
| Lukas_ | actually, before this, I'd never used an IRC before | 12:14 |
| lichen | i started using irc only a couple years ago | 12:14 |
| lichen | started out with chatzilla (oh god) | 12:15 |
| Lukas_ | xD | 12:15 |
| kanzure | maybe Lukas_ would find chatzilla easier to use | 12:15 |
| Lukas_ | bad memories? | 12:15 |
| lichen | chatzilla is shit | 12:15 |
| lichen | cant even connect to more than network if i remember correctly | 12:15 |
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| kanzure | lichen: yes but it seems users find it easy to use *shrug* | 12:15 |
| lichen | no they just want one less program | 12:15 |
| Lukas_ | I've got to start somewhere | 12:16 |
| Lukas_ | :D | 12:16 |
| lichen | go grab mIRC | 12:16 |
| lichen | its as easy to use as xchat | 12:16 |
| lichen | i still dont understand how you didnt get xchat working | 12:16 |
| Lukas_ | I assume it's free, correct? | 12:20 |
| lichen | free enough | 12:20 |
| lichen | i think there's a nag screen | 12:20 |
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| kanzure | hi timschmidt | 13:44 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: http://gnusha.org/skdb/ | 13:44 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: skdb-get.py in skdb/clients/ now works again.. | 13:44 |
| kanzure | so let's get cracken? | 13:44 |
| kanzure | here's one of hte packages: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lego.git | 13:46 |
| kanzure | oops | 13:46 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lego | 13:46 |
| kanzure | git://packages.gnusha.org/lego.git | 13:46 |
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| kanzure | timschmidt: did you put your stl2web changes somewhere? | 14:01 |
| Utopiah | worm control, Stephen Colbert, optogenetic http://colbert.physics.harvard.edu | 14:03 |
| kanzure | ooh.. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v469/n7330/full/nature09647.html | 14:03 |
| kanzure | X-ray structures of general anaesthetics bound to a pentameric ligand-gated ion channel | 14:03 |
| kanzure | pdf: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/neuro/X-ray%20structures%20of%20general%20anaesthetics%20bound%20to%20a%20pentameric%20ligand-gated%20ion%20channel.pdf | 14:04 |
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| kanzure | A Rapid, Simple and Inexpensive Experiment in Gel Filtration Chromatography http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/bio/protein-purification/A%20Rapid,%20Simple%20and%20Inexpensive%20Experiment%20in%20Gel%20Filtration%20Chromatography.pdf | 14:20 |
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| jebba | kanzure, what about really using yum/apt for skdb? For instance a bolt.spec would have the overview, license, description, etc. The the package is just basically the various files, which is freeform (e.g. perhaps jpgs, .stl, .txt, etc.). Then you can put all the dependenices in the package itself, `yum install mendel-prusa` and it grabs all the various .rpms/.debs. Such packages can also be installed as non-root if needed. | 14:54 |
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| jrayhawk | The dependency resolution is not really powerful enough; you'd eventually want things like dynamicly weighted costs to different sets of dependencies | 15:15 |
| jrayhawk | i.e. I have a box of screws, and I also have a CNC machine and steel that could make screws, and I also have a reprap that could make terrible plastic screws, but these things have a different level of cost and effectiveness | 15:18 |
| jrayhawk | so you need weighting for time costs versus monetary costs versus part lifetime, etc. | 15:21 |
| jrayhawk | and aptitude isn't really a particularly good interface for modifying the dependency resolution, though I guess they'd probably be open to that. | 15:23 |
| jebba | ay | 15:38 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I have a rough-stock lovejoy coupler that I need cut with a spline to match the input shaft on my transmission. | 15:58 |
| AlonzoTG1 | But that has nothing whatsoever to do with transhumanism. =P | 15:58 |
| QuantumG | that lovejoy coupler must get you a lot of *rev*s from your transmission. | 16:00 |
| AlonzoTG1 | Yeah, it's rated at 7,100 | 16:00 |
| AlonzoTG1 | But lovejoy absolutely refuses to do business with ppl building electric cars, | 16:00 |
| AlonzoTG1 | so I had to get it from the black market. | 16:00 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I do not know whether it will actually work, | 16:00 |
| AlonzoTG1 | but I probably won't get killed from trying, even though they're insane about libility issues. | 16:01 |
| AlonzoTG1 | er liability | 16:01 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I bought it because it looks like the perfect solution, | 16:01 |
| AlonzoTG1 | even though I have concerns about it being made from aluminium. | 16:01 |
| QuantumG | acknowledge my Simpsons reference | 16:01 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I haven't watched the Simpsons in decades. | 16:02 |
| AlonzoTG1 | =| | 16:02 |
| QuantumG | get out | 16:02 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I don't even have cable. | 16:02 |
| AlonzoTG1 | Are the simpsons transhumanist? | 16:03 |
| AlonzoTG1 | =P | 16:03 |
| QuantumG | sure, why not | 16:03 |
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| kanzure | jebba: heh, nice hack, and what jrayhawk said. | 17:48 |
| kanzure | i do feel bad that skdb-get.py isn't exactly high quality code.. | 17:50 |
| kanzure | especially since it presently implements *less* than what dpkg can provide | 17:51 |
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| delinquentme | siigggghh | 18:09 |
| delinquentme | i wish mating wasnt such a bloodsport | 18:09 |
| Lukas_ | ? | 18:09 |
| delinquentme | true story. | 18:09 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 18:09 |
| Lukas_ | story time? | 18:09 |
| delinquentme | i just told this poor girl form OK | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | OKC** | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | shes like 19 | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | ( shes orange ) | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | like oompaloompa | 18:10 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | so shes sad mad etc.. after all the awful thing i said | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | and im like "you're tough " | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | like your skin at 30 | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | just not nice haha | 18:11 |
| Lukas_ | Dude, that is terrible XD | 18:11 |
| delinquentme | haha its pretty bad | 18:11 |
| Lukas_ | But the truth is the truth, no? | 18:11 |
| delinquentme | but the opposite of LOVe is indifference | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | NOT hatred | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | so haha | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | if she hates me .. @ least im associated with a very strong emotion | 18:12 |
| QuantumG | http://twitter.com/#!/NanoSailD 30 mins to go | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | TRIGGERS baby | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | whaaatt! | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | is this en laungh QuantumG | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | ? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: are you smoking pot | 18:13 |
| delinquentme | not atm. | 18:13 |
| delinquentme | not reason to celebrate | 18:13 |
| QuantumG | could you rephrase that as an english sentence? or better yet, STFU | 18:13 |
| delinquentme | its a special occasion type thing | 18:13 |
| delinquentme | :D | 18:13 |
| * delinquentme HUGS QuantumG | 18:13 | |
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| Lukas_ | XD | 18:18 |
| @kanzure | "glue guns and biohacking, or it's acceptable to own an autoclave kthnxbai" http://catchingstars.net/index.php/2011/01/biohacking | 18:18 |
| Lukas_ | 'I want to get on board with the idea that that there will be more Steve Haworths out there doing this in a sterile environment, and more people fascinated with enhancing themselves getting implants. That's what should drive the cost down and make it easier for mods to be done in areas where the laws on modifications are tricky, not someone playing fast and loose in their kitchen.' | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | "playing fast and loose" is fine | 18:21 |
| Lukas_ | ? | 18:22 |
| @kanzure | "fast and loose" does not necessarily mean "stupid" | 18:22 |
| Lukas_ | fair enough | 18:22 |
| QuantumG | 'especially women | 18:29 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 18:29 |
| delinquentme | pornstars? | 18:29 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 18:31 |
| Lukas_ | are you guys drinking or something? | 18:31 |
| delinquentme | haha coding | 18:31 |
| jebba | kanzure would be cool to tie in skdb to http://frontaccounting.com/ then you could pull in parts, order them, account for them, manufacture many with a bit of organization, etc.... | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | jebba: or via http://octopart.com/ | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | i committed an octopart api interface actually | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | but it's not functional / not interfaced into skdb-get | 18:32 |
| @kanzure | jebba: http://www.arenasolutions.com/ | 18:32 |
| jebba | yes, octopart is cool too. But serves a different purpose than frontaccounting, which is an accounting package. It has inventories, manufacturing processes etc built into it. | 18:32 |
| @kanzure | yeah check out arenasolutions.com instead | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | this is quickly entering the small-time pdm/plm market | 18:33 |
| jebba | meh, not free software | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | frontaccounting is? | 18:33 |
| jebba | yes. | 18:33 |
| jebba | i run my own installation. | 18:33 |
| jebba | gplv3 iirc | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | it looks like a basic web app.. what's their data model? | 18:34 |
| jebba | php/mysql | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | haha ok | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | so.. they just make lots of tables, and users enter it via the web interface? | 18:34 |
| jebba | ya, which is pretty much accounting. | 18:34 |
| jebba | just lots of SQL records. | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | also, i should distinguish between shop management (frontaccounting) versus plm/pdm stuff (product development and lifecycle) | 18:35 |
| @kanzure | shop management is probably more relevant in this conversation | 18:36 |
| jebba | hmm, unfortunately their screenshots dont have the manufacturing screens (and mine are empty data) | 18:36 |
| @kanzure | heh | 18:36 |
| @kanzure | so, i would really like to have hackerspaces running on linux | 18:37 |
| @kanzure | cat myparts.bom >> /dev/part-vending-machine | 18:37 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/shelltrance/blob/master/shelltrance.txt | 18:37 |
| jebba | in my case, i'm bootstrapping production of repraps & similar. We'll only use free software and such throughout. | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | neat. | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | are you packing boxes, or doing assembly? | 18:38 |
| jebba | lol | 18:38 |
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| jebba | for now just gathering other ones and assembling them! But are starting process of sourcing material for kits, and will build out | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | jebba: a random web app i wrote once was called project projector | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | it distributed instructions to multiple people over sms | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | so you could write programs involving multiple free-moving agents across a city or even in a buildin | 18:40 |
| jebba | My first assembler/builder is coming by tomorrow. I'm working with Kai Staats (formerly Yellow Dog Linux etc) on getting production bootstrapped. | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | i was thinking of using this for assembly of.. things.. but in reality, you just need to (1) generate the assembly plan / instructions for each user only once, and then (2) just make sure each user knows their specific task; it's not a super dynamic thing | 18:41 |
| jebba | hah, rad. | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | *building | 18:41 |
| jebba | i'll /msg info for logging in to check out frontaccounting | 18:42 |
| @kanzure | oh cool. thanks | 18:42 |
| QuantumG | http://twitter.com/#!/NanoSailD 10 mins | 18:43 |
| jebba | send | 18:43 |
| * jebba sent | 18:43 | |
| @kanzure | jebba: i didn't get the pm.. did you mean an email? | 18:44 |
| jebba | ah, i did an old kanzure_ 1 sec | 18:44 |
| jebba | ok good | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | jebba: so you do manual inventory typeups? | 18:45 |
| jebba | well, so far none have been done | 18:46 |
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| jebba | so they could be done manually or a SQL dump, i suppose. | 18:47 |
| jebba | Check Manufacturing and Items and Inventory tabs | 18:47 |
| jebba | But ya, presumably someone just do some manual data entry for the BoMs and such. | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | btw i definitely want to make a 'basecamp for manufacturing' at some point in the near future | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | this is definitely close.. it seems to have a comprehensive understanding of what needs to be present | 18:49 |
| @kanzure | how's the integration? like do you have to manually mess with mysql to dump new types of data or anything | 18:49 |
| jebba | and is free software. Very responsive forums too. | 18:49 |
| @kanzure | lots of users? | 18:49 |
| jebba | Well, healthy forums is a good sign. | 18:50 |
| jebba | including the devs | 18:50 |
| jebba | Well, I suppose what it is your dumping. I havent seen much for import/export via the GUI (except their easy backup page). | 18:50 |
| @kanzure | do they host instances of this for you or do you have to deploy on your own? | 18:51 |
| jebba | Though getting data in/out of mysql is about as easy as it gets. I'm not so sure how great their TABLE design and such is. I havent looked closely (and honestly cant remember enough to even properly evaluate it, heh) | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | i agree with you about mysql.. i used to do tons of php app development | 18:51 |
| jebba | They may do hosted instances as part of their business model, but I don't know. I just put it on lenny. | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | have you ever used basecamp? | 18:52 |
| jebba | no, but have seen it in passing | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | hosted instances of project management is basically the business model for 37signals | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | so 'basecamp for manufacturing' is an obvious thing that needs to happen.. :P | 18:52 |
| jebba | Do they distribute the code to the project management software? | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | no | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | they are evil | 18:53 |
| jebba | ah, then they are meaningless to me ;) | 18:53 |
| jebba | i was actually thinking barcamp when you mentioned it too, i think (!) | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | namespace conflict | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | yeah i still have trouble comprehending the sheer weirdness of companies that pay $100,000+ for installing software like this | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | i'm sure it happens... but wow. | 18:55 |
| jebba | Basically this is the smallest piece: https://accounting.alephobjects.com/inventory/manage/items.php? | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | lol what's an 'item'? | 18:55 |
| jebba | well, i thought i was going to have to have a bunch of it written. I was damn happy to come across the app... | 18:55 |
| jebba | I would assume that would be a screw etc | 18:55 |
| jebba | then I think kits get made out of items: https://accounting.alephobjects.com/inventory/manage/sales_kits.php? | 18:56 |
| jebba | https://accounting.alephobjects.com/manufacturing/manage/bom_edit.php? but that needs items first (e.g. need to create a screw entry before you can create a BOM) | 18:57 |
| @kanzure | yeah being able to dump skdb packages into it would be nice.. especially if it could allocate resources, read inventories, etc. | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | "need to hire 2 people to have this built within the 2 day window you requested" | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | there's also a set of other apps that need to exist as well | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | like basic management of cnc machines over a netwrok | 18:58 |
| jebba | I keep getting "There are no manufactured or kit items defined in the system." though i thought i made a kit, hmm. | 19:06 |
| jebba | wouldnt it be cool to apt-get a part and a fedex truck comes rushing towards you? | 19:23 |
| @kanzure | yes | 19:23 |
| jebba | frontaccounting can trigger reorders as well. The docs for this thing are like zero though. | 19:23 |
| @kanzure | one idea is a premium kit packaging service.. an interesting alternative is automatic scrapers for filling out forms on supplier sites ;) | 19:24 |
| Lukas_ | 'night guys, take care | 19:28 |
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| @kanzure | 3-D Printable Open Source Appropriate Technology Design Competition http://me.queensu.ca/sustainability/OSATContest.php | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | aka w/ appropedia.org | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | "Our goal is to facilitate an open exchange of 3-D designs that can be printed on a RepRap that meet human developmental needs, while introducing the Queen's community to this new exciting field." | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | wtf they require thingiverse use | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | J. M Pearce, C. Morris Blair, K. J. Laciak, R. Andrews, A. Nosrat and I. Zelenika-Zovko, “3-D Printing of Open Source Appropriate Technologies for Self-Directed Sustainable Development”, Journal of Sustainable Development 3(4), pp. 17-29 (2010). http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/jsd/article/view/6984 | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | oh boy piles of text! http://www.appropedia.org/DremelFuge | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | :( | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | http://www.appropedia.org/Open_source_3D_printer_literature_review | 20:54 |
| @kanzure | huh? Alexandre Gillet, Micheal Sanner, Daniel Stoffler, David Goodsell, Arthur Olson, “Augmented Reality with Tangible Auto-Fabricated Models for Molecular Biology Applications”, IEEE Computer Society, Washington, DC, United States of America, 2004. | 20:55 |
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| fenn | btw, speaking of goodsell, http://fennetic.net/irc/goodsell/ | 21:19 |
| @kanzure | universe just got smaller | 21:19 |
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| fenn | maybe your head just got bigger :P | 21:21 |
| kanzure | did you notice http://gnusha.org/skdb/ | 21:22 |
| kanzure | also i left some notes in the irc logs (yesterday?) for how to fix your local skdb.git.. sorry about the ikiwiki fuckup commits | 21:22 |
| fenn | yes, thanks for making that page | 21:23 |
| fenn | i havent pulled anything from skdb.git, ; can't you just fix it there? | 21:23 |
| kanzure | i did fix it | 21:23 |
| kanzure | check your copy.. i bet you have the spurious merges in there | 21:23 |
| kanzure | the problems showed up between jan. 7 and jan 15ish | 21:23 |
| kanzure | which was when we were pulling back and forth | 21:24 |
| fenn | shapeways is not too expensive; this one was ~$10 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fennfoot/5310468940/ | 21:28 |
| kanzure | paint it paint it! | 21:29 |
| fenn | having the thing in your hand it a lot more memorable than some ugly ribbon diagram on a screen | 21:29 |
| kanzure | ribbon diagrams suck.. i use vmd and do a surface/energy plot | 21:29 |
| fenn | nah, colors only make sense if your printing tech can do it | 21:29 |
| kanzure | uh.. i'm not using the "full surface" mode in this screenshot, but you get the idea http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-12-20-1622-vmd-taq-polymerase.png | 21:30 |
| kanzure | actually that's the worst possible example i could give you | 21:30 |
| QuantumG | NanoSail-D has sent data that it deployed the sail. | 21:30 |
| fenn | i dont see any surface at all | 21:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: this http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/education_discussion/molecule_of_the_month/images/pol_active.gif | 21:31 |
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| kanzure | sorry.. the screenshot is of the wrong mode. that image shows the mode i was thinking of. | 21:31 |
| kanzure | get vmd at http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Development/Download/download.cgi | 21:32 |
| kanzure | then run: vmd; pdbload POL1 or some other pdb id.. | 21:32 |
| kanzure | 1TAU was what i was looking at. | 21:33 |
| kanzure | (switch "Drawing methods" to something other than "lines") | 21:33 |
| kanzure | still, physical models are fun | 21:33 |
| fenn | that was the most pathetic substitute for a screenshot ever | 21:38 |
| kanzure | :cry: | 21:38 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did we ever have a running "stuff that we need to package" list? there was something in skdb/doc/todo.txt but it's suspiciously short | 21:44 |
| gnusha | 867960c make the readme less stale by updating the links it gives | 21:56 |
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| kanzure | wut? https://github.com/samrose/cubespawn | 22:23 |
| jebba | kanzure, heh. re: appropedia, I set up this in 2004: http://www.appropedia.org/Appropriate_Technology_Wiki_Project | 22:24 |
| kanzure | nice. | 22:25 |
| kanzure | all this text makes me sad though | 22:25 |
| kanzure | i don't have time to read through 7,000,000 patents | 22:25 |
| jebba | cubespawn? the first commits are binaries to a git repo... | 22:26 |
| kanzure | jebba: cubespawn is an 80/20 gridbeam project for standard frames for manufacturing processes or something | 22:29 |
| kanzure | as for the text thing i mean appropedia- there's good content hidden on there; same with marcin jakubowski's openfarmtech wiki and global village construction set.. but again, these are just wikis | 22:29 |
| AlonzoTG1 | om | 22:36 |
| kanzure | reprap.org wiki too.. | 22:41 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I guess rep-rap is the future but it can't really do anything more than trinkets right now. =\ | 22:43 |
| kanzure | um.. what makes you say that | 22:44 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I want the rep-rap that can fab me a GF. =P | 22:44 |
| jrayhawk | romance wasn't built in a day | 22:44 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I still need a spline cut. | 22:45 |
| jebba | its own parts it prints are quite solid. | 22:46 |
| AlonzoTG1 | I also need a motor mount that can carry the weight of the motor in my electric car... and hold the drive shaft in place, it will have to be fairly large too to accomplish those tasks. | 22:47 |
| jrayhawk | that sounds like a job for rubber and metal, rather than plastic | 22:51 |
| jrayhawk | and some bearings | 22:51 |
| AlonzoTG1 | yep. | 22:51 |
| AlonzoTG1 | Eggzacktlie. | 22:52 |
| kanzure | AlonzoTG1: then why not use the metal-printing repraps? | 22:52 |
| AlonzoTG1 | ???? | 22:53 |
| kanzure | it just seems like you're complaining just to complain :( | 22:53 |
| AlonzoTG1 | The motor weighs about 150 lbs... | 22:53 |
| jrayhawk | http://reprap.org/wiki/SpoolHead huh, didn't know about that | 22:54 |
| kanzure | yeah reprap has a lot of ridiculously obscure stuff going on | 22:55 |
| * kanzure is still wanting jmil to release his reprap + tissue printing work | 22:56 | |
| jrayhawk | oh, they're not actually welding. how silly. | 22:56 |
| kanzure | yeah.. wrong reprap for welding. timschmidt which one was doing TIG? | 22:57 |
| timschmidt | none, yet | 23:01 |
| * timschmidt was thinking of strapping his wire-fed flux core welder to a mendel just to get something started | 23:04 | |
| timschmidt | there's been a lot of talk in this area, but no real action | 23:04 |
| jrayhawk | I guess plaster casting is a more satisfactory solution in most ways anyway | 23:04 |
| jrayhawk | plaster and/or sand | 23:04 |
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| jebba | gnite | 23:41 |
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