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| fenn | "never before have so many people known so little about so much" | 01:39 |
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| fenn | just watched the final episode of connections.. very extropian, a little preachy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxttXUbcpzk | 01:41 |
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| fenn | Nomadicus: i would try a hardware development channel like #edev | 01:45 |
| Lukas___ | Good morning | 01:54 |
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| fenn | "We have a moral obligation to increase the amount of technology in the world in order to increase the number of possibilities for the most people." | 02:42 |
| fenn | strong words.. i used to take the relativist approach, but i'm reading "the moral landscape" and it's convincing me otherwise | 02:43 |
| Utopiah | supposing everybody has the same access to technology? | 02:43 |
| fenn | this was in the context of talking about how 2 million people per day flee their family farm to the cities | 02:44 |
| fenn | the preceding sentence " Our call is not only to discover our fullest selves in the technium, but to expand the possibilities for others. " | 02:44 |
| Utopiah | ironically enough, I could write sth like that yet when I read it from somebody else I think it's naively idealistic :/ | 02:45 |
| fenn | i don't know who the dumb fuck was that decided idealism equals naivete | 02:46 |
| fenn | but i want a time machine | 02:46 |
| jrayhawk | his ending to the day the universe changed is a lot less clouded by his moral intuitions | 02:47 |
| fenn | sorry i'm being confusing, the previous two quotes were kevin kelly | 02:49 |
| fenn | burke was spot on about the internet accelerating invention | 02:49 |
| jrayhawk | connects 2 and 3 didn't really have good central theses to drive them, but you should watch tdtuc | 02:54 |
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| Lukas___ | Good mornin | 06:28 |
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| Lukas___ | http://opensourcenano.net/ | 06:36 |
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| kanzure | http://spacehack.org/ "a directory of ways to participate in space exploration" | 07:02 |
| Lukas___ | O.O ... afk, I've got to go change my pants | 07:06 |
| ThomasEgi | nice link *bookmarked* | 07:08 |
| kanzure | heh social networking for todo lists? http://cohuman.com/about_us | 07:13 |
| Lukas___ | how exactly do you find all of these? | 07:14 |
| kanzure | Lukas___: people won't stop sending me email :( | 07:17 |
| kanzure | it's really debilitating | 07:17 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, delete the mail acc ;) | 07:18 |
| Lukas___ | or not read them for a day | 07:18 |
| kanzure | Lukas___: this is a fun tool if you want to browse around http://moreofit.com/ | 07:19 |
| Lukas___ | excellent | 07:19 |
| Lukas___ | thanks | 07:19 |
| Lukas___ | I've been using Stumbleupon | 07:20 |
| Lukas___ | it is very hit or miss | 07:20 |
| Lukas___ | May I please get a credibility check on this? http://www.fusor.net/ It don't trust it | 07:23 |
| Lukas___ | I* | 07:23 |
| kanzure | 23:04 < fenn> shock wave fusion? | 07:24 |
| kanzure | 23:04 < fenn> isnt that just bubble fusion with extra money thrown at it? | 07:24 |
| kanzure | andrew was interviewed on 'singularity 1 on 1' a few days ago http://singularityblog.singularitysymposium.com/andrew-hessel-on-singularity-1-on-1-dont-fear-synthetic-biology/ | 07:30 |
| JayDugger | Inbox Zero brings many benefits. | 07:31 |
| kanzure | what a weird site- there's a popup asking for me to subscribe and (get this!) "get a free copy of Accelerando straight to your inbox!!!1oneone" | 07:31 |
| JayDugger | Lukas___ Your best starting point for fusor's is http://fusor.net/newbie/files/Ligon-QED-IE.pdf. | 07:32 |
| JayDugger | Past that, you've got Bussard's work. | 07:32 |
| JayDugger | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606# | 07:33 |
| Lukas___ | Thanks <JayDugger> | 07:33 |
| Lukas___ | Kanzure: It was a decent interview | 07:33 |
| kanzure | focusfusion.net seems to have a larger DIY community in new york, if you're building a reactor, Lukas___ | 07:33 |
| Lukas___ | as I suspected, he doesn't really buy into transhumanism, but is all for DIY science | 07:33 |
| kanzure | andrew? nah he really buys into transhumanism | 07:34 |
| kanzure | at least as much as it nets him more attention | 07:34 |
| JayDugger | Focus fusion also has an interesting video, linked from that Google Video page. | 07:34 |
| Lukas___ | I think the last few minutes of the interview he addresses it (to be fair, he talks about the singularity specifically) | 07:34 |
| Lukas___ | <kanzure> : Thanks for the heads up on focusfusion | 07:35 |
| Lukas___ | I had no idea | 07:35 |
| Lukas___ | it was actually one of my subs that sent me the fusor.net link | 07:36 |
| Lukas___ | I didn't even know this movement existed | 07:36 |
| kanzure | subs? | 07:36 |
| Lukas___ | subscribers | 07:36 |
| kanzure | socal-diybio will be having a 1-year anniversary party later this month https://sites.google.com/site/socaldiybioparty2011/ | 07:38 |
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| Lukas___ | "You're invited" :D "downtown LA" D: | 07:47 |
| Lukas___ | afk | 07:48 |
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| kanzure | open moon's "c-rove" registered and received the ohanda trademark http://www.openmoon.info/2011/01/c-rove-hat-das-ohanda-label/?lang=en | 07:48 |
| kanzure | i've never seen the actual schematics/files though, just lots of artist's renderings | 07:49 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, but you're free to study those--all you want. ;) | 07:49 |
| kanzure | maybe if i stare at it long enough, it will become real | 07:50 |
| JayDugger | It reminds of the star-bellied sneeches star ship seven, by Seuss, Doctor. | 07:50 |
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| JayDugger | Rather snide of me to say so, I admit. | 07:53 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: did you see my comments about a solution to the gada prize woes? | 08:03 |
| kanzure | in particular, the reprap.org guys originally decided to make the competition require "regular blogging but not necessarily enough to share schematics or files" | 08:04 |
| kanzure | they feel that *not* sharing anything would hinder reprap development | 08:04 |
| kanzure | meanwhile i claim that just sharing only a little is useless for an open source project; it should be all open source or else it shouldn't really be about reprap.. | 08:04 |
| kanzure | so, my proposal is to let gada prize participants license their work as GPL (in fact, force that) | 08:06 |
| kanzure | then, they can apply a secondary license or clause to allow or exclude derivatives in the gada prize competition itself | 08:06 |
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| kanzure | however, there are many cases where participants will be submitting a derivative of some open-source component | 08:09 |
| kanzure | if they make an entry that is a derivative of some non-prize-originating-part, and they slap a "no-derivative-in-gada-prize" clause on it, is that good/bad? | 08:10 |
| JayDugger | Let me see. | 08:10 |
| JayDugger | I suppose it depends on whether ego motivates more than the thrill of improving hardware. | 08:14 |
| JayDugger | I don't see any reason to apply a "no-derivative-in-gada-prize" clause on any work, otherwise. | 08:15 |
| JayDugger | other than ego, rather. | 08:15 |
| JayDugger | And since RepRap specifically asks "please use the RepRap website for your Gada Prize entries", won't all the wiki entries get covered by GNU FDL? | 08:16 |
| kanzure | the wiki thing is weird and not really too official | 08:17 |
| JayDugger | It seems to endorse the goal of an open source hardware design by a weak means: please use this FDL wiki. | 08:18 |
| JayDugger | Does it all hinge on the phrase "All entries must be open source hardware projects, including all designs, schematics, source code, CAD files, etc."? | 08:18 |
| JayDugger | It seems to, but that sets up the question of which open source license. | 08:19 |
| kanzure | i wonder how ben/josh could have written this much content without mentioning nanoengineer http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/toward-intelligent-nano-factories-and-fogs | 08:20 |
| kanzure | josh even worked at nanorex so wtf? | 08:20 |
| kanzure | oh, there's the mention | 08:20 |
| kanzure | lol a sourceforge link? what in the name of fuck | 08:20 |
| JayDugger | "A modern GPGPU [sic] can compare two pictures " | 08:22 |
| JayDugger | Have you both Goertzel and Hall in person, kanzure? | 08:23 |
| kanzure | have i what? | 08:23 |
| JayDugger | Sorry. Serves me right for my earlier snide comment. Met, have you met...etc. | 08:24 |
| JayDugger | Back to the Gada Prize question. If you require an open source license, RepRap has a strong preference for GNU GPL. | 08:30 |
| kanzure | yes i'm aware of that | 08:30 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: i've met ben in person (he's also presently paying some of my bills); josh and i haven't had any extended contact | 08:30 |
| JayDugger | So says their Legal & Licensing page (http://reprap.org/wiki/Legal_and_Licensing). Requiring it has that precendent. | 08:30 |
| kanzure | yes i know that | 08:30 |
| kanzure | but in the gada prize participants are not presently required to release their contributions, only to "blog" | 08:31 |
| JayDugger | But the Gada prize does require all entries to be an open source hardware project, including all designs, etc. | 08:32 |
| kanzure | sort of; as you can see the writing is vague- are participants required to publish before or after the deadline? etc. | 08:33 |
| JayDugger | I read that as "Keep your exact techniques under wraps, so long as you give good descriptions, right up until you submit. Then it becomes an open source hardware design." | 08:33 |
| kanzure | yeah, that's probably how most people read it; and i don't agree with that concept | 08:34 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, that needs clearer timing. | 08:34 |
| kanzure | i mean, i don't think that's a good idea for the reprap community | 08:34 |
| JayDugger | I see your point. | 08:34 |
| JayDugger | Certainly races have more interest when every contestant can see everyone else's position. | 08:35 |
| JayDugger | Why hurry if you don't know you're behind? | 08:35 |
| kanzure | competition also breeds secrecy | 08:35 |
| JayDugger | Well, it can, sure. | 08:35 |
| kanzure | if you have something that you think will win why not wait until the last minute to announce it? especially if, in the mean time, someone could show you up and steal your $80k | 08:36 |
| JayDugger | Right. | 08:36 |
| JayDugger | That could well happen, and it gives a psychological advantage to teams with impressive rosters. | 08:36 |
| JayDugger | I think the desirable result of a prize-winning device soonest gets served best by requiring open source hardware designs from the start. | 08:37 |
| JayDugger | And also requiring near complete disclosure. | 08:37 |
| JayDugger | all designs, schematics, source code, CAD files, etc. sufficient to reproduce the design. | 08:38 |
| JayDugger | Not that it would stop a team from keeping a private repository or secret design, but that might turn obvious if they won. | 08:39 |
| JayDugger | That would seem to do small harm and to confer little advantage anyway, besides it being impossible to prevent, | 08:39 |
| JayDugger | I think your best bet is to require an open source license from the start, preferably just one (GPL), with the clearly stated goal of improving the RepRap design as quickly as possible. | 08:41 |
| JayDugger | That should discourage most gaming of disclosure and license choice. | 08:41 |
| JayDugger | OTOH, I suspect I overestimate the goodness of my fellow humans. | 08:41 |
| JayDugger | That doesn't happen too often. :) | 08:41 |
| JayDugger | If you stick to only extant licenses, you should avoid the "no-derivatives-in-Gada-Prize" clause case you mentioned. | 08:42 |
| JayDugger | If someone else, the author of the original work, wants to whine, well...how derivative can something be before it's a fork? | 08:43 |
| JayDugger | You can copyright a fork (flatware), I assume, despite the very narrow range of design space for forks. | 08:44 |
| JayDugger | I don't think it is yet worth worrying about this particular hypothetical case. | 08:45 |
| kanzure | "free technology academy" http://ftacademy.org/ seems to give you academic credits at universities? | 08:48 |
| kanzure | european commission? hmm | 08:50 |
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| kanzure | so many comments :( http://70.32.108.164/~hplus/2009/11/17/eight-ways-vitro-meat-will-change-our-lives/ | 11:17 |
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| Utopiah | fenn: do you have the Pinball Effect as pdf? (can just find the audiobook) | 11:52 |
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| kanzure | hi Technicus, hi Director_X | 14:44 |
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| kanzure | (05:02:11 PM) Ben Goertzel: it seems awkward to need to make a new user account for each author | 15:01 |
| kanzure | (05:02:54 PM) Ben Goertzel: Is it extremely quick and easy to make new user accounts? | 15:01 |
| kanzure | me: dunno, i don't use wordpress | 15:01 |
| kanzure | heh. | 15:02 |
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| jrayhawk | What's this about? | 16:01 |
| kanzure | i'm converting hplusmagazine.com from drupal to wordpress | 16:01 |
| Technicus | kanzure: Hello. | 16:17 |
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| kanzure | hi Technicus.. what brings you around? | 16:42 |
| jrayhawk | is there a particular reason you're switching from a CMS with a mediocre security history to one with an atrocious security history? | 16:42 |
| kanzure | convincing them to do anything smart is like pulling teeth | 16:43 |
| kanzure | plus, this way they pay me | 16:43 |
| jrayhawk | so this is their idea rather than yours? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | oh it's very much their idea | 16:46 |
| kanzure | i'd just nuke the entire site from orbit if i was in charge | 16:46 |
| jrayhawk | you seem bad at saying 'no' | 16:47 |
| kanzure | fuckkkk "If Adrian and Forrest (who are closest to the technology and the innovators, and have been for years) do not think this will impede RepRap innovation, I don't think we need to dwell on this too much. Especially since every technology is fully published after the prize is awarded. " | 16:48 |
| kanzure | aka "we're going to promote secrecy in the reprap community because it's less effort for us to consider bryan's 'no-derivative-for-gada-prize-competition' string idea" | 16:49 |
| kanzure | *than for us to consider | 16:49 |
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| QuantumG | well so far the prize hasn't promoted shit | 16:51 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: there's actually about 10+ teams.. | 16:51 |
| QuantumG | right? | 16:51 |
| kanzure | http://reprap.org/wiki/Gada_Prize | 16:51 |
| QuantumG | I thought you said you had no interest | 16:51 |
| kanzure | in what? | 16:52 |
| kanzure | using that wiki page officially? correct.. | 16:52 |
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| AlonzoTG | http://www.par-metal.com/heatsink.php | 16:56 |
| kanzure | i really realy don't like the "adrian and forrest don't think it's important, so ignore bryan" argument | 16:56 |
| kanzure | forrest has been passing kidney stones for the past week and is still on pain meds (has admitted he hasn't been thinking straight) | 16:56 |
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| AlonzoTG | http://www.partsconnexion.com/product15114.html | 16:58 |
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| AlonzoTG | http://tubedata.milbert.com/sheets/049/2/2A3.pdf | 17:00 |
| Technicus | kanzure; I am here for exploring what is of interest, also to meet, learn and possibly teach. | 17:00 |
| AlonzoTG | http://emissionlabs.com/datasheets/EML20B.htm | 17:01 |
| kanzure | what can you teach? | 17:01 |
| Technicus | I can teach what I have witnessed from experience and thought. | 17:01 |
| * AlonzoTG tries to think of some other random links that nobody's interested in. | 17:09 | |
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| AlonzoTG | =\ | 17:10 |
| AlonzoTG | You havto admit that the EML20B is a gorgeous piece of technology. =P | 17:12 |
| AlonzoTG | I guess I'm on everybody's ignore list. =( | 17:15 |
| ThomasEgi | banzai for semiconductors. | 17:15 |
| AlonzoTG | Semiconductors aren't any fun. | 17:16 |
| AlonzoTG | =P | 17:16 |
| * AlonzoTG has a 50 year old ST70. | 17:16 | |
| ThomasEgi | .. the vaccuum generation... impossible to teach. | 17:17 |
| AlonzoTG | http://dynakitparts.com/store/product.aspx?id=2 | 17:17 |
| ThomasEgi | nice piece of nostalgia | 17:18 |
| AlonzoTG | I have it installed in my HT system, | 17:19 |
| AlonzoTG | it's running right now. | 17:19 |
| ThomasEgi | good thing i dont have to pay your electricity bill ;) | 17:20 |
| AlonzoTG | It was only $100, I paid it just now. | 17:21 |
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| QuantumG | http://www.palgrave-journals.com/pcs/journal/v12/n3/full/2100131a.html want a copy! | 17:33 |
| kanzure | heh | 17:35 |
| kanzure | "This paper uses psychoanalytic theory to understand the motivation of pro-space activists – people campaigning to increase human activity in outer space. It suggests that activists are motivated by fantasies of a spacefaring civilization, which manifest unconscious phantasies of omnipotence and fusion related to the experience of self in primary narcissism." | 17:35 |
| kanzure | and anti-pro-space enthusiasts have a fantasy of curling up in a ball and dying? | 17:36 |
| ThomasEgi | anti-pro? | 17:37 |
| ThomasEgi | nonusage of doublenegation is prohibited? | 17:38 |
| kanzure | prohibition doesn't work, ask the ruskies | 17:38 |
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| AlonzoTG | http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/81/fernbach81art.htm | 17:47 |
| superkuh | http://superkuh.com/users/superkuh/Library/000-Engineering/Micromachining%20Using%20Electrochemical%20Discharge%20Phenomenon_%20Fundamentals%20and%20Application%20of%20Spark%20Assisted%20Chemical%20Engraving_%202009.pdf - a thorough and simple guide to machining ~100 micrometer scale structures in glass surfaces. | 17:56 |
| kanzure | where did the electrodischarge machining reprap go? | 17:56 |
| QuantumG | state of the union coverage has begun state of the union coverage has begun | 18:00 |
| QuantumG | http://www.hulu.com/live?current_id=8 | 18:00 |
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| * AlonzoTG pulls out the rabbit ears to watch the Liar in Chief. | 18:09 | |
| fenn | did obama say anything we don't already know? | 18:21 |
| AlonzoTG | He's not saying much of anything. | 18:23 |
| QuantumG | duh.. it's not like he's announcing that he's going to invade Iraq | 18:24 |
| fenn | i was reading a "how to make renewable electricity by 2035" talk yesterday; america has to build a 3GW nuclear reactor every week in order to do it | 18:28 |
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| QuantumG | nuclear is renewable now? | 18:31 |
| fenn | well, i think it is | 18:32 |
| fenn | opinions may differ | 18:32 |
| QuantumG | umm.. how do you define renewable? | 18:32 |
| fenn | something we can do til the sun blows up | 18:33 |
| QuantumG | "A natural resource is a renewable resource if it is replaced by natural processes at a rate comparable or faster than its rate of consumption by humans." | 18:33 |
| superkuh | With breeder reactors new fissionable material is create by natural processes (humans are natural). | 18:34 |
| superkuh | +d | 18:34 |
| fenn | QuantumG: i suppose if you look at it wrong, bamboo is not a natural resource because eventually we'll run out of carbon dioxide | 18:36 |
| fenn | er, renewable resource | 18:36 |
| fenn | sigh.. television ftl | 18:38 |
| jrayhawk | there is basically an infinite supply of fissile material in the ocean, it's just not economical to start using yet | 18:38 |
| QuantumG | basically infinite eh | 18:39 |
| kanzure | also, in other news, battlestar galactica is really good | 18:40 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.google.com/search?q=uranium+ocean | 18:40 |
| fenn | haha 'uraniferous coal ash' | 18:43 |
| fenn | i remember reading somewhere there's more energy in the coal ash than the coal itself | 18:44 |
| fenn | (in the form of uranium) | 18:44 |
| fenn | the "peak uranium" mindset is the same "let's not even try to think how to make it work" attitude that sunk space solar power in the 1970's | 18:45 |
| fenn | ah found it, "how long will nuclear energy last?" http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/cohen.html | 18:53 |
| superkuh | That isn't even considering non-uranium fissiles. | 18:54 |
| fenn | right | 18:54 |
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| AlonzoTG | om | 19:21 |
| AlonzoTG | The wind bag finally shut up. | 19:21 |
| QuantumG | anyway, it's over, read this now: http://quantumg.blogspot.com/2011/01/space-colonization-as-savior-of.html | 19:24 |
| Technicus | Thank you for sharing. | 19:25 |
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| kanzure | hi genehacker | 19:36 |
| genehacker | hello | 19:36 |
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| Nomadicus | Hello. | 20:14 |
| kanzure | hi Nomadicus | 20:16 |
| Nomadicus | Do you have much knowledge about engineering Linux drivers? | 20:19 |
| Nomadicus | Specifically I am trying to use a scanner. | 20:20 |
| kanzure | have you tried xsane? | 20:20 |
| kanzure | what is an engineering linux driver? | 20:20 |
| kanzure | is this a special type of driver | 20:20 |
| Nomadicus | It is not supported but some one started "reverse engineering" a driver. | 20:21 |
| Nomadicus | This is causing me sadness. | 20:22 |
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| Nomadicus | ls | 20:49 |
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| rumb42 | Nomadicus: I've got a non-supported scanner, a virtual machine with an old windows install + driver - probably easier | 21:04 |
| Nomadicus | I can not tolerate any Microsoft environments. | 21:05 |
| rumb42 | next best choice would be buy a compatible scanner - I can't imagine developing a scanner driver would be 'quick' at all | 21:06 |
| kanzure | good night jerkbutts | 21:16 |
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| kanzure | "These two session were both devoted to various aspects of exploiting / exploring / utilizing the Moon. The first session concentrated on availability of lunar resources mostly. The second focused on considerations of what is needed to build out a lunar presence, especially a self sustaining one and past and present probes." | 22:27 |
| kanzure | http://www.thefulfillment.org/chatlogs/010811ExploitingMoon.htm | 22:27 |
| kanzure | http://www.thefulfillment.org/chatlogs/011511ToTheMoon.htm | 22:27 |
| CryptoQuick | what the hell kind of chat logs are those?? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | second life bullshit | 22:36 |
| CryptoQuick | oh, hahaha | 22:37 |
| CryptoQuick | I was like... damn, those names sound like radical faeries or something | 22:37 |
| kanzure | everyone in second life has genderbending meta-philosophical woes or something | 22:38 |
| kanzure | it's a username get over it :/ | 22:38 |
| kanzure | (i mean, they should get over it, not you) | 22:38 |
| CryptoQuick | mine was "Crypto Quicksand" ;D | 22:38 |
| CryptoQuick | you spend much time in the cyberspace? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | i thought i was in cyberspace | 22:38 |
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| genehacker | is that moon stuff about the recent proposal to mine the moon for fuel?' | 22:56 |
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