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| kanzure | 'Boy, Captain America over here! "Best of the best of the best, sir!" "With honors." Yeah, he's just really excited and he has no clue why we're here.' | 01:11 |
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| Lukas___ | Good morning | 03:06 |
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| fenn | is there a word for using a webcam to detect facial expression and sending only compressed version of the expression as a cartoon sort of thing? (webcam avatar sorta kinda works) | 04:55 |
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| fenn | man, all the kinect avatars look like bobbleheads | 04:58 |
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| Lukas__ | Good morning | 05:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: at least recommended because the book recommendations match what you've recently been reading, | 05:26 |
| kanzure | http://ynotds.com/ | 05:26 |
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| fenn | is this tony's book? | 05:26 |
| fenn | he's like the australian greg egan~ | 05:27 |
| JayDugger | You know Greg Egan's an Australian, right? | 05:29 |
| kanzure | fenn: no i think he's just reaching retirement and wants a commemorative wall of text | 05:30 |
| fenn | JayDugger: hence the snark mark | 05:32 |
| JayDugger | Sorry. I missed that. | 05:32 |
| kanzure | ##hplusroadmap: an official sponsor of the snarkmark~ | 05:32 |
| JayDugger | I didn't know Egan was an Australian until the day after I left his hometown. | 05:32 |
| JayDugger | Some people can't read faces. I have to guess at emoticons. | 05:32 |
| JayDugger | Failing that, I need elevator shoes to help me catch what goes over my head. | 05:33 |
| fenn | you should try reading minds, works much better | 05:33 |
| JayDugger | No, thank you. Why would I want to go skinny-dipping in blood-warm sewage, fenn? | 05:34 |
| JayDugger | I'll stick inside my own skull. | 05:34 |
| fenn | meh, suit yourself | 05:34 |
| kanzure | best of the best of the best, of the best of the best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXRi28W-ENY | 05:47 |
| Lukas__ | xD | 05:53 |
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| Lukas__ | What is your opinion on the proposed Internet kill switch? | 06:28 |
| fenn | please be more specific | 06:29 |
| Lukas__ | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029282-281.html | 06:30 |
| Lukas__ | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/kill-switch-legislation/ | 06:31 |
| fenn | oh, if it's in wired i'm not worried about it | 06:34 |
| fenn | wtf seriously there is no realtime spectrogram visualization for linux? | 06:35 |
| fenn | this is like a 10 line program with fftw | 06:35 |
| Lukas__ | What do you mean? | 06:37 |
| Lukas__ | "if it's in wired i'm not worried about it" | 06:37 |
| fenn | i want http://ecee.colorado.edu/~mathys/ecen1200/hwcl09/gram2.png but without all the windows legacy cruft | 06:38 |
| kanzure | Lukas__: wired.com is full of shit these days, wired.com/threatlevel (which you linked to) even more so (you might recalled he trolled DIY transhumanism) | 06:39 |
| kanzure | *recall | 06:39 |
| Lukas__ | ah | 06:39 |
| Lukas__ | It still worries me though, especially with what is happening in Egypt | 06:40 |
| kanzure | i don't think that's true | 06:40 |
| kanzure | if you were actually worried you'd set up a mesh network | 06:40 |
| fenn | egypt's economy isn't tied to the net | 06:40 |
| fenn | even if they for some reason turned off the net for a day, it'd never last a week | 06:41 |
| fenn | i'd like to think we can survive without the internet for a day | 06:41 |
| fenn | and yes, we really do need mesh networks as a fallback | 06:42 |
| fenn | indymedia in carnegie mellon was doing this in like 2003 | 06:43 |
| delinquentme | ... a day w/o internet | 06:44 |
| fenn | also there's APRS over shortwave | 06:44 |
| delinquentme | i donno man | 06:44 |
| fenn | i would guess the airwaves would get clogged rather quickly tho | 06:45 |
| fenn | lukas you might like the book "little brother" if you're paranoid about these things | 06:46 |
| fenn | wow, google decided to stop censoring search results in china | 06:48 |
| fenn | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html | 06:48 |
| Lukas__ | I'm not paranoid about stuff like this, usually I let it go | 06:48 |
| Lukas__ | but a whole internet kill switch scares me | 06:48 |
| Lukas__ | anything less and I wouldn't care | 06:49 |
| Lukas__ | but this is a bit unnerving | 06:49 |
| ThomasEgi | build your own backbone infrastructure. problem avoided. | 06:49 |
| Lukas__ | Funding? | 06:50 |
| ThomasEgi | none. | 06:50 |
| ThomasEgi | you simply conenct to the neighbours. | 06:50 |
| fenn | lukas did you actually read the article? | 06:50 |
| ThomasEgi | wlan, physical wire, and my favorite: free space optical. | 06:50 |
| Utopiah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wireless_community_networks_by_region | 06:51 |
| fenn | ThomasEgi: optical sucks (on earth at least) | 06:51 |
| ThomasEgi | fenn, it doesnt | 06:51 |
| fenn | or anything more than 20 feet that doesn't involve towers or tall buildings | 06:51 |
| ThomasEgi | 2km with 10mbit is not bad at all | 06:51 |
| ThomasEgi | with homebrew hardware. | 06:52 |
| fenn | i'm sure it could be improved a lot if someone actually did some serious development | 06:52 |
| ThomasEgi | it can. | 06:52 |
| ThomasEgi | i'm always keeping an eye on it. | 06:52 |
| ThomasEgi | the 10mbit are baseband transmission. | 06:52 |
| ThomasEgi | using dsp's and real modulation you could get a lot higher bandwith. | 06:52 |
| ThomasEgi | but still. 10mbit is quite fast if you use it to build a meshed grid | 06:53 |
| ThomasEgi | even a lot less would be useful for communication. if you dont have to deal with youtube and the likes you can have an awful lot of people communicating together. | 06:53 |
| fenn | yeah | 06:54 |
| ThomasEgi | http://ronja.twibright.com/ <- for the 10mbit homebrew | 06:54 |
| ThomasEgi | i'm thinking about building a smaller, lot simpler and cheaper usb versiom. | 06:54 |
| fenn | i knew about ronja even before i heard about wifi mesh networks | 06:54 |
| ThomasEgi | with just one to 3 mbit | 06:54 |
| ThomasEgi | lowering costs and difficulties. aswell as boosting range. | 06:56 |
| fenn | you can already get usb wifi transmitters though.. | 06:57 |
| ThomasEgi | jeah but.. a government can easily disturb wifi city-wide | 06:58 |
| fenn | is that true? | 06:58 |
| ThomasEgi | signal-noise ratio.. | 06:58 |
| fenn | there's already a zillion things pumping out non-wifi 2.4GHz | 06:58 |
| ThomasEgi | jeah. wifi is totaly at it's limit already. | 06:59 |
| ThomasEgi | i mean.. wifi sends in the milliwatt range.. a microwave oven easily does 300 to 1000. | 07:00 |
| ThomasEgi | shutting down wifi is quite easy | 07:00 |
| kanzure | so all those non-profit orgs for civil rights and other bullshit | 07:02 |
| kanzure | should be supplying enough ronjas or mesh nodes to cover the surface of egypt | 07:02 |
| kanzure | quick, do the math! how much would that be and at what cost? | 07:02 |
| ThomasEgi | ronja is comparebly expensive. | 07:02 |
| kanzure | doesn't matter, civil rights groups are loaded with bullshit dollars | 07:02 |
| ThomasEgi | somewhere between 100 and 250 $ per link i guess. | 07:03 |
| ThomasEgi | for slightly reduced speed, like the 3mbit usb version i am experimenting around.. you could cut the costs down by 80%. if you order in volume, even more | 07:04 |
| kanzure | i don't care.. set it as a variable | 07:04 |
| ThomasEgi | well. setting it up, aiming the devices etc is propably what takes most time. | 07:05 |
| ThomasEgi | a single link is established quite fast, but a whole mesh takes time. so you better set it up before your government decides to go down the drain. | 07:05 |
| kanzure | i don't think you read what i wrote | 07:06 |
| ThomasEgi | *sigh* it's unpraticable :P | 07:08 |
| ThomasEgi | to mesh up cairo with one node every 200meters (which is really dense) it may be around 1 to 2 mio € | 07:12 |
| kanzure | 2 million euros? is cheap for these NPOs | 07:12 |
| ThomasEgi | so.. if you break down the gosts. it's less than 50¢ per person living in cairo. you'd have to bridge to the people's homes using regular cables or (as long as the government doesnt shut you down) wifi | 07:13 |
| ThomasEgi | it could be a lot cheaper tho. | 07:13 |
| ThomasEgi | when i look at pictures , it appears cairo's roofs are clustered with satelite dishes. a few small optical heads would go almost unnoticed. | 07:15 |
| ThomasEgi | oh , one big advantage of optical links. they dont distrub each other, so you can have as many as you like. | 07:17 |
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| kanzure | haha john smart is cited on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 | 08:18 |
| kanzure | Lukas__ if you ever get bored you can rewrite the diybio wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:DIYbio | 08:19 |
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| kanzure | international biomolecular design competition http://biomod.net/ | 08:59 |
| kanzure | wait, you don't have to make your molecule? | 09:00 |
| kanzure | DMD bullshit here we come | 09:00 |
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| Lukas__ | Did I miss anything vital? | 09:52 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-01-30.log | 09:53 |
| Lukas__ | Wow, the logs are fairly short | 09:54 |
| kanzure | htmlerized logs http://gnusha.org/logs/html/ | 10:09 |
| Lukas__ | interesting | 10:10 |
| Lukas__ | how long did it take for you to do that? | 10:10 |
| kanzure | 10 seconds | 10:11 |
| Lukas__ | oh ... | 10:13 |
| * kanzure was looking at http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/01/egyptian-activists-action-plan-translated/70388/ | 10:13 | |
| Lukas__ | *reading* | 10:14 |
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| Lukas__ | xD they are using shields! | 10:16 |
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| Lukas__ | well, it seems as if things have broken down to street brawling | 10:27 |
| kanzure | logs backup 28 MB (not including html) http://gnusha.org/logs/hplusroadmap-2011-01-30.tar.gz | 10:33 |
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| Lukas__ | " Then it's time for the E-Democr@cy. Ok that name was bad. But in the age of Internet we can share ideas and thoughts at lightspeed. If it was used properly for politics, everything being digitalized, a nation could build a consensus much faster than now, and maybe without the need of good-for-nothing politicians to represent them. Of course there would still be an Executive power, but if every citizen was connected online, th | 11:02 |
| ThomasEgi | Lukas__, what good is edecomcracy if your government decides to shut down the net ;) | 11:17 |
| Lukas__ | :D | 11:17 |
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| Lukas__ | I think I agree with Patri on this, we are still using 18th century governments with 21st century tech. What new forms governments should take, I have no idea | 11:22 |
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| kanzure | i don't particularly care what that new form is as long as you leave me alone with my own island/colony to experiment on | 11:23 |
| kanzure | also with a working copy of skdb | 11:23 |
| Lukas__ | xD | 11:24 |
| Lukas__ | China does something like that | 11:25 |
| Lukas__ | 'special economic zones' they call it | 11:25 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, +1 in that. should i get back to you when we get that swimming-island done? | 11:28 |
| ThomasEgi | we pinned out a few underwater mountains in the atlantic ocean, suitable to ancor it in international waters :P | 11:28 |
| Lukas__ | I prefer Space | 11:29 |
| Lukas__ | there is more, well, space | 11:29 |
| Lukas__ | and you can move if the neighbors get mean | 11:29 |
| ThomasEgi | :D true true. altho space is a bit more expensive | 11:30 |
| ThomasEgi | and that underwater plateau is about 20x40km in size. so plenty of space to avoid the people you dont want to deal with | 11:30 |
| Lukas__ | People are weird, sometimes to intentionally go looking for trouble and see non intervention as aggression (looks at whahabists) | 11:31 |
| ThomasEgi | hm.. to my knkowledge the next inhabited island is more than 1000km away from there | 11:33 |
| ThomasEgi | it's a small chain of underwater mountains. streching over some 300km or so | 11:34 |
| ThomasEgi | lots of space.. | 11:34 |
| Lukas__ | where exactly? | 11:34 |
| ThomasEgi | yermolenko semount | 11:35 |
| ThomasEgi | seamount | 11:35 |
| ThomasEgi | bout 600km south-east of gough island | 11:35 |
| ThomasEgi | some of those mountains reach as high as 10meters below sea-level. so it's quite easy to build upon it | 11:36 |
| Lukas__ | wow | 11:36 |
| Lukas__ | I had no idea that even existed | 11:37 |
| ThomasEgi | dunno if anyone tried that. | 11:37 |
| Lukas__ | what about current? | 11:37 |
| ThomasEgi | there's ocean | 11:37 |
| ThomasEgi | plenty of wind, water, waves | 11:37 |
| ThomasEgi | freshwater is also no problem with that much energy around. | 11:37 |
| ThomasEgi | hydrofarming etc... | 11:37 |
| ThomasEgi | and it's international sea afaik. so.. if you can build your house there, it's your coutnry :P | 11:38 |
| Lukas__ | The southern tip of Southern Africa/ South America are notorious for it's horrendous currents and storms | 11:38 |
| ThomasEgi | until soeone invades you :P | 11:38 |
| ThomasEgi | jeah... matter of design :P | 11:38 |
| ThomasEgi | nothing that couldnt be overcome with a good construction | 11:38 |
| Lukas__ | true | 11:39 |
| Lukas__ | I suppose space is a personal preference | 11:39 |
| ThomasEgi | jeah. but more expensive and a lot harder to do :P | 11:40 |
| Lukas__ | *insert pale blue dot spiel* | 11:40 |
| Lukas__ | I don't like the idea of all sentient life (that we know of) being on one rock | 11:41 |
| Lukas__ | all of our history, culture, and tech could be lost in a very short period of time | 11:41 |
| kanzure | don't worry, the upload of wikipedia to voyager2 will only take another 147 years | 11:43 |
| ThomasEgi | i doubt that voyager2 has the required 12gb storage capacity :P | 11:44 |
| kanzure | don't be so sure.. those guys can find ridiculous ways to compress data | 11:44 |
| Lukas__ | xD | 11:44 |
| Lukas__ | I'd like someone to live too | 11:44 |
| ThomasEgi | getting a single person into space is still sane. | 11:45 |
| ThomasEgi | a whole structure beeing able to permanently support living.. is a bit out of scope i guess | 11:45 |
| Lukas__ | My end goal in all of this is to possibly have humans adapt some phenotypes of extremophiles so that we can better adapt to the harsh reality of space | 11:45 |
| ThomasEgi | no air, no food, no thermal insulation for the extreme temperatures... | 11:46 |
| ThomasEgi | did i miss something? | 11:46 |
| ThomasEgi | i think i'd be easier to grow an organic spaceship from scratch ;) | 11:47 |
| Lukas__ | Well, something's got to give, of course we'd grow food. But perhaps our biochemistry can be made more efficient, perhaps issues such as radiation, hard vacuum, and muscle loss can be dealt with (to a certain degree) | 11:49 |
| Lukas__ | better defenses against extreme temperatures | 11:49 |
| Lukas__ | etc. | 11:50 |
| kanzure | Lukas__: out of curiosity, do you read hplusmagazine.com? | 11:59 |
| Lukas__ | no | 11:59 |
| Lukas__ | well, very little | 11:59 |
| Lukas__ | Why? | 12:00 |
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| ThomasEgi | so much about egypt's communication infrastructure. they'r reviving bbs and fidonet :D | 13:09 |
| Lukas__ | :D | 13:11 |
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| kanzure | hi Unknown19389 | 13:34 |
| kanzure | oh. you're jennicide | 13:34 |
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| kanzure | full? adventures in synthetic biology http://www.nature.com/nature/comics/syntheticbiologycomic/ | 14:27 |
| kanzure | oh.. here it is | 14:28 |
| kanzure | http://mit.edu/endy/www/scraps/comic/AiSB.vol1.pdf | 14:28 |
| Lukas__ | I've been meaning to read that comic | 14:49 |
| Lukas__ | is it any good? | 14:49 |
| kanzure | go ahead and read it | 14:51 |
| * kanzure goes to mom's house to steal food | 14:55 | |
| Lukas__ | aww | 14:56 |
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| AlonzoTG | om | 16:07 |
| AlonzoTG | =\ | 16:20 |
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| kanzure | backk | 18:27 |
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| kanzure | hi wireghost | 19:04 |
| wireghost | hello | 19:04 |
| kanzure | what brings you around? | 19:07 |
| wireghost | Just watching the H+@Caltech videos. | 19:07 |
| wireghost | Followed the links and found this channel. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | ah, hi there | 19:09 |
| kanzure | you were probably watching me, then | 19:09 |
| wireghost | Yeah the Personal Manufacturing video. | 19:10 |
| wireghost | BTW what is gitduino? | 19:13 |
| kanzure | it's like http://thingiverse.com/ except built on top of git | 19:13 |
| wireghost | Ah, I thought it might have something to do with Arduino due to the name. | 19:14 |
| kanzure | arduino is also open source hardware, | 19:14 |
| kanzure | so i imagine people will add arduino projects as well | 19:14 |
| kanzure | i'm really bad at naming things so if you have any recommendations ... ;) | 19:15 |
| wireghost | Thingit? No, I'm also bad at naming things. | 19:15 |
| wireghost | So, unlike github, it would basically attempt to render images in the repo? | 19:17 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:17 |
| kanzure | her's a sample: | 19:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/stl2pov//dremelfuge/01604aefda5a079f740ff5fa966bcade9511ed80/gears.scad-1101b4abdb.png | 19:17 |
| kanzure | or: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/stl2pov//dremelfuge/305fce14356203666ebffe6141630bd2b8f240c3/dremelfuge-v4.scad-72422eca27.png | 19:18 |
| wireghost | Would the png files be part of the repository, or automatically generated when needed for display? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | i'm caching them somewhere else on the server (not committing them) | 19:19 |
| kanzure | i don't feel right committing binary data like that | 19:19 |
| wireghost | makes sense | 19:20 |
| kanzure | but i'll be happy to provide a .tar.gz of the images or something | 19:20 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, that's a build product; at best it would make sense to git-annex them | 19:20 |
| jrayhawk | also unlike github, presumably bryan will be releasing source for this | 19:20 |
| kanzure | uh uh | 19:20 |
| kanzure | right | 19:20 |
| jrayhawk | If he knows what's good for him :mad: | 19:21 |
| kanzure | i don't want to turn this into gitorious | 19:21 |
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| kanzure | all links from ##hplusroadmap: | 19:36 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/meta/hplusroadmap-2011-01-30-links.url.txt | 19:36 |
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| kanzure | i am very tempted to just claim that hplusmagazine.com has been deleted | 19:58 |
| kanzure | and all backups have mysteriously vanished | 19:58 |
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| kanzure | socal-diybio party pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/halconnen/sets/72157625817821985/with/5402975749/ | 20:19 |
| kanzure | what? http://www.flickr.com/photos/halconnen/5402960741/in/set-72157625817821985/ | 20:21 |
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| kanzure | what is alex lightman doing posing with jay cutler? what the fuck | 21:02 |
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| kanzure | the guy does like a 550 lbs bench press | 21:03 |
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| kanzure | wb superkuh | 21:56 |
| superkuh | Hello. Thank you. | 21:56 |
| kanzure | heh hplusroadmap's brand of diybio pre-dates diybio.org | 22:07 |
| kanzure | i forgot about that | 22:07 |
| kanzure | http://biohack.sf.net/ | 22:07 |
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