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| Director_X | good morning | 09:00 |
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| Director_X | question for ThomasEgi/Archels/anyone else who might know: Can you use capacitors hooked up to a bleeder resistor as a substitute battery? | 09:04 |
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| Director_X | you know, to slow discharge rates? | 09:04 |
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| archels_ | Director_X: Yes. | 09:52 |
| archels_ | Resistors are wasteful devices though, converting energy into heat. | 09:52 |
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| Director_X | hmm. So in theory I might be able to have the slow discharge of a battery with the fast charge time of capacitor (resistor removed)? | 09:56 |
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| kanzure | reprap comic http://www.treelobsters.com/2011/02/237-reproducible.html | 10:01 |
| kanzure | who the hell argues that its the "first" artificial lifeform? | 10:01 |
| kanzure | what a load of cock | 10:01 |
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| archels_ | Director_X: yes | 10:29 |
| archels_ | kanzure: It's a life form about as much as memes are, I would say. | 10:30 |
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| ThomasEgi | i'm always amazed by how people imagine how electronic works :P | 11:04 |
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| ENKI-[quit] | hm | 12:24 |
| ENKI-[quit] | kanzure: michael vassar of the singularity institute is lecturing this sunday and i'm invited. should i go? | 12:24 |
| kanzure | only to socialize | 12:25 |
| kanzure | to be honest, i haven't extracted much value or anything new from his talks/lectures | 12:25 |
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| kanzure | tom will be in the audience, he looks like this: http://www.kurzweilai.net/images/mccabe.jpg | 12:26 |
| kanzure | you could talk with him for a bit i guess | 12:26 |
| ENKI-][ | i'm certainly not involved in the singularity clique, so i won't get much out of it socially | 12:29 |
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| kanzure | ENKI-][: it can be amusing/frustrating if you're into poking yourself in the eye a lot | 12:32 |
| ENKI-][ | kanzure: i develop oses for kicks. of COURSE i'm a masochist | 12:33 |
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| ENKI-[quit] | http://bit.ly/eQV5Pt <-- interesting news day | 13:10 |
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| kanzure | reasons not to think outside the box http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/17rodman.html | 14:58 |
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| Jon_D | "Ask not what your universe can do for you; ask what you can do for your | 17:07 |
| Jon_D | > universe." | 17:07 |
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| kanzure | longevity stuff on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Oldest_people | 17:41 |
| kanzure | which one of you is a wikipedia editor, anyway | 17:41 |
| kanzure | hi sebastienb | 17:41 |
| sebastienb | hi kanzure! | 17:41 |
| sebastienb | busy? | 17:42 |
| kanzure | somewhat. what's up | 17:42 |
| sebastienb | wanted to chat gitduino with you, and so on. | 17:42 |
| sebastienb | good time to do so? :D | 17:42 |
| kanzure | sure why not | 17:42 |
| sebastienb | well, where are we at? What are the next plot points, etc. | 17:43 |
| sebastienb | waypoints. | 17:43 |
| kanzure | i think it's pretty clear that i've missed a lot of deadlines so the usefulness of gitduino for your time-dependent predicament is not as strong as i originally claimed | 17:43 |
| sebastienb | Certainly. No worries. | 17:43 |
| kanzure | well, there's lots of debugging that i need to do for rendering of .scad files | 17:43 |
| sebastienb | Hmm .... | 17:44 |
| kanzure | but that part is 'working' | 17:44 |
| sebastienb | :D | 17:44 |
| kanzure | the next chunk of work is plug-and-chug typical website development | 17:44 |
| sebastienb | And ... lessee. | 17:44 |
| sebastienb | Yup. You working with that css guru? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | i.e. creating django models and views for displaying the different contents | 17:45 |
| * sebastienb should take a minute to check his email. | 17:45 | |
| kanzure | sort of- i need to scan in some drafts and mail those to him | 17:45 |
| sebastienb | Ah. | 17:45 |
| kanzure | overall there's been progress just not as fast as i'd like | 17:46 |
| sebastienb | (reminds me, it may be good to occasionally chat this stuff in #reprap to build momentum there.) | 17:46 |
| kanzure | nah dirty laundry isn't good | 17:46 |
| sebastienb | Hmmm. | 17:46 |
| sebastienb | But we need co-maintainers. | 17:46 |
| sebastienb | I still need to send Reece your way. | 17:47 |
| kanzure | okat | 17:47 |
| kanzure | okay | 17:47 |
| sebastienb | And ... that UBC student, maybe. | 17:47 |
| kanzure | who are these people? | 17:48 |
| sebastienb | Reece Arnott, who did carapace-copier. | 17:48 |
| sebastienb | and ... can't remember his name, ubc mech eng. student who wants a | 17:49 |
| sebastienb | locked-to-small-group wiki page and is using git. | 17:49 |
| kanzure | cool. :) that's basically the plan for this | 17:49 |
| kanzure | i mean, private pages for those who want it, for small teams | 17:49 |
| kanzure | (and then charge $$ for larger private groups, bwahahaha) | 17:49 |
| sebastienb | That will make some folk happy. | 17:49 |
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| sebastienb | Um. | 17:50 |
| sebastienb | So, reprap will be hosting a local install of gitduino, right? | 17:50 |
| sebastienb | And you'll be doing up gitduino for corps on their servers, and making consultant-fees off of it? | 17:50 |
| kanzure | that's the general idea yes | 17:51 |
| sebastienb | 'k. | 17:51 |
| * sebastienb was fuzzy on that. Good to know that you've got a funding model worked out. | 17:51 | |
| kanzure | the funding model is meaningless as long as the software isn't to a usable state ;) | 17:51 |
| sebastienb | And you'll be able to use gitduino on reprap's server to recruit volunteer-devs. | 17:51 |
| sebastienb | point. | 17:52 |
| sebastienb | Do you have anyone who's tested the ikiwiki import script? | 17:52 |
| sebastienb | That's a waypoint, I imagine. :D | 17:52 |
| kanzure | but yeha, "enterprise" version control and team hardware projects go for anywhere from $10k to $100k's | 17:52 |
| kanzure | there is no ikiwiki import script | 17:53 |
| sebastienb | Hmmm? | 17:53 |
| kanzure | i was going to see if i could separate out individual projects from the wiki dump | 17:53 |
| kanzure | and put those into separate repositories | 17:53 |
| sebastienb | I thought we were importing each page from the wiki dump into ikiwiki. | 17:53 |
| kanzure | i mean, a blanket dump to git isn't that useful; it's certainly doable | 17:53 |
| kanzure | do you have a particular need for that? | 17:53 |
| sebastienb | well. | 17:54 |
| sebastienb | Buzz is reluctant to throw away that history data. | 17:54 |
| kanzure | right, as he should be | 17:54 |
| sebastienb | And ... | 17:55 |
| kanzure | there's certain subsets that i think belong in reprap's svn repository for instance (but for practical reasons, they aren't) | 17:55 |
| kanzure | but not everything on the reprap.org wiki is in the 'same' project | 17:55 |
| sebastienb | There's a lot of legwork on your part to try identify what is part of what. | 17:55 |
| kanzure | so a blanket dump of everything into ikiwiki just doesn't make much sense to me.. but again, if you have some reason to need that sooner-rather-than-later from me, i can hack at that | 17:56 |
| kanzure | yes that's certainly true | 17:56 |
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| kanzure | hi gleapsite | 17:56 |
| gleapsite | hi kanzure | 17:56 |
| gleapsite | I saw your email on enthought's con | 17:56 |
| kanzure | i figured it was relevant | 17:56 |
| gleapsite | most certainly | 17:56 |
| sebastienb | And then some stuff in the wiki is cookbook-like recipes, which don't have associated cadfiles. | 17:57 |
| sebastienb | Like a moldmaking tutorial. | 17:57 |
| kanzure | sebastienb: yeah, i've been focusing on cad file rendering because that's probably the most difficult part of all of gitduino, but of course other content types should be supported, especially standalone documentation and wiki text | 17:57 |
| sebastienb | And I'd guess that a moldmaking tut. would get dumped directly into an ikiwiki page. | 17:57 |
| sebastienb | ok! | 17:57 |
| kanzure | but you're right, this is a lot of legwork | 17:58 |
| kanzure | i mean, basically we're talking about seeding a lot of repositories | 17:58 |
| kanzure | and keeping their interconnectedness (like with links etc.) | 17:58 |
| sebastienb | Much of it may be doable post launch? | 17:59 |
| sebastienb | Like, if x and y need to be merged, a drive-by editor can flag that, etc. | 17:59 |
| kanzure | sounds fine to me.. | 17:59 |
| kanzure | hm | 18:00 |
| sebastienb | Where are you based these days? Still at uni? | 18:00 |
| kanzure | based out of austin, texas, not in university | 18:00 |
| sebastienb | It's a fun bit of the woods. | 18:00 |
| sebastienb | one sec. | 18:01 |
| kanzure | actually, now that i think about it, lots of the remaining gitduino tasks are "downhill" work | 18:02 |
| sebastienb | Yup. | 18:02 |
| kanzure | the "order a pizza and work for 12 hours straight" kinda work (the best kind) | 18:02 |
| sebastienb | The trick will be figuring out how much polish it needs when. | 18:02 |
| kanzure | 100% polish 100% of the time? | 18:02 |
| sebastienb | I meant more like, visual. | 18:03 |
| sebastienb | And look and feel. | 18:03 |
| sebastienb | When do you think you'll be self-hosting the code base, btw? | 18:04 |
| kanzure | i think that depends on what i work on specifically | 18:05 |
| kanzure | i mean, if i go for "displaying a project's contents", then that's easily next up on the list | 18:05 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: did i ever fix the group name length issue? | 18:06 |
| sebastienb | self-hosting the code base is probably a useful waypoint before recruiting comaintainers. | 18:06 |
| kanzure | why do you say that? | 18:06 |
| sebastienb | Because at that point the project has a ... wholeness to it? | 18:07 |
| kanzure | you're probably right anyway | 18:07 |
| kanzure | ok | 18:07 |
| sebastienb | Changing the focus, slightly, how much have you thought about the social-networking-esque, rich user pages? | 18:08 |
| * sebastienb styles his hair into PHB points. | 18:09 | |
| kanzure | oh, a little- not by much though | 18:09 |
| kanzure | i do like github's concept of activity feeds, watching users, and watching projects for updates | 18:09 |
| kanzure | and thingiverse's user page details like what a user has (inventory), what their projects are, etc. | 18:09 |
| sebastienb | Yup. t-verse and deviantart. | 18:10 |
| kanzure | deviantart's profile pages are pretty basic | 18:10 |
| sebastienb | That may be something Anthony Aragues and I can think about. | 18:10 |
| kanzure | it's like "here's my drawings, now comment on them or else, also here's some metadata" | 18:10 |
| sebastienb | kanzure, point, but deviantart's pages are very well evolved for what they do perhaps? | 18:10 |
| kanzure | oh also a list of their friends | 18:10 |
| sebastienb | I remember wikia's social networking plugin also had 'enemies'. | 18:11 |
| kanzure | yeah no thanks | 18:11 |
| kanzure | no frenemies either | 18:11 |
| sebastienb | Probably may want to leave that out of gitduino. | 18:11 |
| sebastienb | frenemies. | 18:11 |
| sebastienb | Like bedbuddies, but you hate yourself afterwards. | 18:12 |
| sebastienb | Want to cc-me on the emailed sketches? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | sure | 18:12 |
| kanzure | one thing i don't like is how thingiverse splatters each page with hundreds of avatars | 18:13 |
| kanzure | i've come for hardware, not faces | 18:13 |
| sebastienb | There may be a good clay-shirkey reason for it, tho. | 18:13 |
| gleapsite | branding. | 18:13 |
| kanzure | social wankery? | 18:13 |
| sebastienb | Come for the hardware, stay for the community? | 18:14 |
| kanzure | bah, you get community anyway | 18:14 |
| kanzure | github has community but you don't see them splasting up 100s of avatars on each page | 18:14 |
| * sebastienb has spent the last 5 years trying to build community ... | 18:14 | |
| gleapsite | I like reddit's system where they highlight friends orange. | 18:14 |
| kanzure | gleapsite: "friendly commits"? | 18:14 |
| sebastienb | Hmm ... that's a neat touch gleapsite. | 18:15 |
| gleapsite | the source of an article is also highlighted | 18:16 |
| gleapsite | so maybe instead of me having to read "maintainer" or w/e I can just see the red text username [m] | 18:16 |
| sebastienb | One ... highly fun feature will be gently translating incoming t-verse links in the wiki into internal links, perhaps. | 18:17 |
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| kanzure | yes | 18:18 |
| kanzure | :) | 18:18 |
| sebastienb | :D | 18:18 |
| sebastienb | Let's see. Anything else on the agenda? | 18:18 |
| sebastienb | Ah. | 18:19 |
| sebastienb | You're doing the water-filtration contest infrastructure. | 18:19 |
| kanzure | yeah i guess | 18:19 |
| kanzure | i'm not really sure why | 18:19 |
| kanzure | since it's not open source, why are the reprap guys judging it? | 18:19 |
| jrayhawk | I have a way forward on the group name issue, but I haven't had time to pursue it. | 18:19 |
| sebastienb | When you need it, ping me and I'll use reprap's blog to give it a shout-out. | 18:19 |
| sebastienb | Wait. | 18:20 |
| jrayhawk | You or Jules could attack it; I think I have notes in a bug on there. | 18:20 |
| sebastienb | Is reprap judging the water filtration contest? | 18:20 |
| * sebastienb boggles very gently. | 18:20 | |
| sebastienb | I was just offering to blog-post a shout-out when you need it. | 18:21 |
| sebastienb | I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding something. | 18:21 |
| kanzure | haha | 18:22 |
| kanzure | well, kartik says "the reprap guys are really into this" | 18:22 |
| sebastienb | Ok! | 18:24 |
| * sebastienb would suggest David Suzuki or someone with greater name-recognition. | 18:25 | |
| * sebastienb cocks head gently. | 18:26 | |
| kanzure | yeah i don't know what to tell kartik | 18:27 |
| kanzure | "it should be open source" | 18:27 |
| sebastienb | This is the sort of thing that goes to Adrian to think about, I think. Don't think I should worry about it, exactly. | 18:27 |
| sebastienb | Speaking casually, and in a non-authoritative, non-commital manner ... | 18:28 |
| sebastienb | It's all good. | 18:29 |
| sebastienb | :D | 18:29 |
| sebastienb | So, what's the advanced, far-future stuff you've been day-dreaming about for gitudion. | 18:30 |
| sebastienb | gitduino, rather. | 18:30 |
| kanzure | F-16s. | 18:30 |
| gleapsite | isn't there already some UAV files on t-verse? | 18:31 |
| sebastienb | As long as they're self-repping, it's all good. | 18:31 |
| kanzure | also, nuclear missiles (called "lolnuke)" | 18:32 |
| kanzure | i have a solidworks plugin, but don't tell anyone | 18:32 |
| sebastienb | I'm hoping at some point that we'll have carbon-fiber deposition under the reprap umbrella. | 18:32 |
| kanzure | gitduino is a submarine company to totally obliterate the u.s. patent office | 18:34 |
| kanzure | (not really, but it'd be nice) | 18:34 |
| sebastienb | At some point it may be useful to think about where your servers are located. | 18:35 |
| kanzure | amazon ec2 | 18:35 |
| sebastienb | Ah. | 18:35 |
| kanzure | actually, that's not a good idea long-term | 18:35 |
| sebastienb | Well, not an issue till we 1: have files, and 2: launch. | 18:35 |
| sebastienb | Erik may be willing to host reprap at some point. | 18:36 |
| kanzure | right now jrayhawk is hosting gitduino for me | 18:36 |
| sebastienb | Thanks, jrayhawk! | 18:36 |
| kanzure | but he'll probably kick me off when i start advertizing paid services on the site (which is OK with me) | 18:36 |
| kanzure | another thing to add is some of the webgl/javascript CAD editors | 18:37 |
| gleapsite | services? | 18:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.1011ltd.com/web/blog/post/im_building_a_webgl_tool | 18:37 |
| kanzure | gleapsite: like "host a private gitduino server, only $90000000!" | 18:38 |
| gleapsite | similar to github | 18:38 |
| sebastienb | There's a lot of closed-source cad-monkeys out there who need services like that. | 18:38 |
| kanzure | what gave it away :p | 18:38 |
| kanzure | sebastienb: yep | 18:38 |
| kanzure | that's why there's a solidworks plugin | 18:38 |
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| sebastienb | Ah. | 18:38 |
| gleapsite | are you considering services similar to shapeways/ponoko? | 18:39 |
| kanzure | no | 18:39 |
| gleapsite | rgr wilco. | 18:39 |
| sebastienb | gleapsite, it would require a lot of humans to stay on top of it. | 18:39 |
| kanzure | huh? | 18:39 |
| kanzure | gleapsite is talking about doing something like mfg.com | 18:40 |
| sebastienb | for distributed printing. | 18:40 |
| kanzure | where you pay for your parts to be made | 18:40 |
| kanzure | yeah.. | 18:40 |
| sebastienb | Yes, a new fellow in the forum was suggesting a dedicated rate-your-neighbor forum where we can complain acerbically about suppliers. | 18:40 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of "p2p printing services" popping up | 18:41 |
| * sebastienb is not very keen on rate-your-neighbor functionality. | 18:41 | |
| kanzure | 100kgarages and cloudfab for one, | 18:41 |
| kanzure | plus a lot that use the word 'maker' in their name that i don't remember | 18:41 |
| kanzure | (i purposefully forget those, i guess) | 18:41 |
| gleapsite | because the barrier to entry is low enough for businesses... and approaching individual level | 18:41 |
| sebastienb | Approaching? | 18:41 |
| sebastienb | Yes, rather. | 18:42 |
| kanzure | people already do it | 18:42 |
| gleapsite | i do it | 18:42 |
| sebastienb | All you need is a prusa and a web-presence. | 18:42 |
| gleapsite | yup | 18:43 |
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| sebastienb | kanzure, anything else on the agenda? Or should I let you get back to Android programming? | 18:56 |
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