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| dbolser | any spork::c5 users? | 02:37 |
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| fenn | oh maybe i'll go down and watch the tsunami | 06:39 |
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| fenn | omg it's easier to get a live stream from the space station than my own beach | 08:07 |
| kanzure | perv :p | 08:08 |
| JayDugger | Disaster pornography? | 08:09 |
| JayDugger | That's a vice, you know. | 08:10 |
| fenn | think i see somethin http://cams.exploratorium.edu:8010/ | 08:17 |
| fenn | nevermind, watch cnn it's more exciting | 08:19 |
| JayDugger | Entertainment usually beats real-life in that department. | 08:20 |
| fenn | have you seen the wave footage from japan? | 08:21 |
| JayDugger | No. Twitter suggests it is quite frightening. Have you seen any from Hawaii? | 08:22 |
| JayDugger | That's weird...oil went down? | 08:28 |
| fenn | apparently nothing much happened in hawaii | 08:28 |
| JayDugger | That's encouraging. | 08:28 |
| JayDugger | (I was stationed there.) | 08:29 |
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| kanzure | dwx editor by dassault for linux http://www.fcsuper.com/swblog/?p=2662 | 11:29 |
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| kanzure | saurik: hey, thanks for running cyrket | 11:54 |
| kanzure | i was going to scrape the android market for data on the distribution of top downloaded apps but your data set has this | 11:55 |
| kanzure | do you mind if i scrape your scrape so i can compute averages? or is there a torrent somewhere | 11:55 |
| fenn | is dwg just 2d? | 11:57 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:57 |
| kanzure | hrmw ait | 11:57 |
| kanzure | i have only ever seen 2d dxf and dwg files | 11:57 |
| kanzure | but there's stuff like http://www.cadforum.cz/cadforum_en/qaID.asp?tip=4076 | 11:58 |
| kanzure | or http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2005/03/great_realworld.html | 11:58 |
| kanzure | maybe that's just the name of another file format ("3D-DWF") | 11:59 |
| kanzure | i have provided nothing of vaule here :) | 11:59 |
| kanzure | dwf != dwg; dwf is "design web format" and not the autodesk dxf stuff | 11:59 |
| fenn | dwg is 2d and 3d but apparently draftsight only supports 2d | 12:10 |
| saurik | kanzure: cyrket isn't currently being updated, so the data is a month or so out of date (google turns the screws down on me more recently, and I have been way way too busy with cydia 1.1 to work on cyrket) | 12:10 |
| saurik | (if that doesn't matter for your purpose I can run a query against my database for you, which might save you a bunch of time) | 12:13 |
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| kanzure | saurik: a query would be awesome; something like package name + download-rating-category-thingy | 12:15 |
| * kanzure was just writing a python scraper.. :shame: | 12:15 | |
| kanzure | scraper: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/cyrket_scraper.py | 12:17 |
| kanzure | this was from before i realized you run this site ;) | 12:17 |
| saurik | (it used to be that the site would ban you if you did that, but I haven't been caring as much, and certainly not since it hasn't been updated) | 12:21 |
| saurik | (people pretty much just scrape it and run their own websites using it as an elaborate datafeed) | 12:21 |
| kanzure | hehe | 12:21 |
| kanzure | i'm doing due diligence so i have real numbers when i pitch something | 12:22 |
| kanzure | from what i can tell, top 1k apps have 50k downloads | 12:22 |
| kanzure | top 5k have at least 10k | 12:22 |
| fenn | why doesn't google just provide an api for the android market data? | 12:22 |
| kanzure | top 10k have at least 5k | 12:22 |
| kanzure | top 20k have at least 1k | 12:23 |
| kanzure | and then it drops like a rock after that | 12:23 |
| kanzure | but averages would be better | 12:23 |
| fenn | O_o 3.7 trillion android apps have been downloaded so far? | 12:24 |
| saurik | http://test.saurik.com/kanzure/cyrket-20110311-downloads.txt | 12:25 |
| saurik | -----------+--------+-------- | 12:25 |
| saurik | | | 640 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 250000 | | 1029 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 50000 | 200000 | 2820 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 5000 | 5000 | 5426 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 50 | 50 | 6000 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 500 | 500 | 7583 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 10000 | 40000 | 8097 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 1000 | 4000 | 16288 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 100 | 400 | 16375 | 12:25 |
| saurik | 0 | 50 | 100042 | 12:25 |
| saurik | that's the distribution | 12:25 |
| saurik | damn, lost the header | 12:25 |
| kanzure | hooray | 12:25 |
| saurik | downloads | range | count | 12:25 |
| saurik | the range is because android's data is like 0-50 | 12:25 |
| kanzure | thank you | 12:25 |
| saurik | the .txt is the full dataset | 12:25 |
| saurik | 5000/5000 means 5000-10000, not exactly 5000 | 12:25 |
| kanzure | you make the world suck just a little less | 12:25 |
| saurik | like, total+length | 12:25 |
| kanzure | hm | 12:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: show math | 12:26 |
| saurik | kanzure: actually, http://test.saurik.com/kanzure/cyrket-20110311-downloads-price.txt <- better (it includes the price, which is probably important) | 12:27 |
| fenn | kanzure: data from http://www.androlib.com/appstats.aspx | 12:27 |
| saurik | (but the price can change over time, and that's a static price) | 12:27 |
| kanzure | hrm | 12:28 |
| kanzure | wait, why is it 500/500 and 5000/5000 not 500/1000 and 5000/10000 | 12:29 |
| kanzure | the headers are this, right? downloads (min) | downloads (max) | count | 12:29 |
| saurik | because I wanted a null value in the second field to mean 0 | 12:29 |
| saurik | the header there was: | 12:29 |
| saurik | 20:25:24 < saurik> downloads | range | count | 12:29 |
| saurik | I pasted it after I said I lost it | 12:29 |
| saurik | the range is "length" | 12:29 |
| saurik | 20:25:51 < saurik> 5000/5000 means 5000-10000, not exactly 5000 | 12:29 |
| saurik | 20:25:54 < saurik> like, total+length | 12:29 |
| kanzure | oh i didn't see "total+length" | 12:30 |
| saurik | well, not a null value | 12:30 |
| kanzure | makes more sense :) | 12:30 |
| saurik | null means "doesn't apply" | 12:30 |
| saurik | but I wanted a default | 12:30 |
| saurik | < 0 | 12:30 |
| saurik | like, 250000/null is 250000+ | 12:30 |
| kanzure | yeah i get it now | 12:30 |
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| kanzure | saurik: btw, i'm making a beta management service for android apps | 12:31 |
| kanzure | "mechanical turk of mobile testing" | 12:32 |
| saurik | so the idea is that people sign up with this service to get early access to products in exchange for feedback and testing? | 12:32 |
| kanzure | nno | 12:32 |
| kanzure | no | 12:32 |
| kanzure | company pays testers to test apps on demand | 12:33 |
| kanzure | developers use my android sdk to capture bug reports and feedback | 12:33 |
| kanzure | eventually more than android, but "device fragmentation" is a big problem | 12:34 |
| kanzure | chase bank can't afford to lose 30,000 customers because the app doesn't work on something that wasn't tested | 12:34 |
| kanzure | (to be fair, they wouldn't lose the customers, but maybe the app is unusable, etc.) | 12:35 |
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| kanzure | saurik: thanks a million for that | 12:43 |
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| fenn | 12:49 | |
| kanzure | fenn: my notes say 3.7 billion app downloads | 12:49 |
| kanzure | fenn: yeah, http://www.androlib.com/appstats.aspx shows 3.7 billion | 12:53 |
| kanzure | actually these numbers have to be fake | 12:56 |
| kanzure | it claims 3.2 million new apps were published last month? | 12:56 |
| kanzure | but that on average 1100 new apps are published per day http://www.androlib.com/gd/stats/newappsbyday.aspx | 12:56 |
| kanzure | oh ok. it's not 3.2 million, but rather 32k http://www.androlib.com/gd/stats/newappsbymonth.aspx | 12:57 |
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| kanzure | kicked off my own panel :( http://schedule.sxsw.com/events/event_IAP5705 | 14:20 |
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| uniqanomaly | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/03/did-the-fdas-jeffrey-shuren-mislead-a-congressional-hearing/ | 16:44 |
| uniqanomaly | wtf am I reading | 16:44 |
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| kanzure | neat, paul had an article in 2004 arguing my points about liberal licensing and charities | 17:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.pdfernhout.net/open-letter-to-grantmakers-and-donors-on-copyright-policy.html | 17:40 |
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| kanzure | Tyrant: how did BIL go? | 18:38 |
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| ybit | has anyone tryed piracetam or l-glutamine supplements? | 18:41 |
| ybit | i bought this in 2005: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00014D2KU?ie=UTF8&redirect=true | 18:42 |
| ybit | didn't notice anything | 18:42 |
| ybit | ritalin sucks | 18:47 |
| ybit | modafinil is awesome, but expensive | 18:48 |
| * ybit is also considering adderall | 18:48 | |
| jrabbit | it works. | 20:12 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 22:59 |
| * kanzure picked up tom mccabe, michael vassar and roy up from the airport | 23:02 | |
| kanzure | dropped two of them off at natasha's.. i get the straggler i guess | 23:03 |
| JayDugger | Good deed for the day: check. | 23:03 |
| JayDugger | Heh, heh. | 23:03 |
| JayDugger | Good deed for tomorrow: check. | 23:03 |
| JayDugger | What's the occasion of the visits? | 23:08 |
| kanzure | sxsw | 23:13 |
| kanzure | freeloading | 23:13 |
| JayDugger | Ah. I'd forgotten. | 23:14 |
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