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| Daeken | anyone going to the humanity+ @ parsons nyc thing? | 06:31 |
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| JayDugger | Not me, no. | 07:05 |
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| kanzure | Daeken: i might, if only because they are paying me to | 07:38 |
| Daeken | word | 07:38 |
| JayDugger | Hs! | 07:42 |
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| JayDugger | Sigh. "Ha!" | 07:42 |
| JayDugger | Better. | 07:42 |
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| Lukas | Good morning | 07:47 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, Lukas. | 07:47 |
| Lukas | It's been a while, how are things? | 07:48 |
| JayDugger | Work had a surge of stupidity and my relevant side projects stalled. | 07:49 |
| JayDugger | No real complaints. | 07:49 |
| Lukas | Started any new projects? | 07:50 |
| JayDugger | Not relevant to the chat, unfortunately. | 07:50 |
| JayDugger | And you? | 07:51 |
| Lukas | The iGEM team is beginning to get moving, we've got some professors that are going to speak to us on Wednesday so that we can decide what projects are feasible | 07:59 |
| JayDugger | Excellent. | 08:00 |
| Lukas | other than that, I am thinking of a way to help get biohack.me some momentum so that we can actually start working on projects | 08:00 |
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| kanzure | MIND = BLOWN | 08:55 |
| kanzure | http://helloracer.com/webgl/ | 08:55 |
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| ThomasEgi | movement is.. very jerky | 08:59 |
| kanzure | what browser | 08:59 |
| ThomasEgi | chromium | 09:01 |
| ThomasEgi | fps is fine.. it feels a bit like someone used integers for calculations^^ | 09:02 |
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| ybit | so, um, i played my first d&d game last night | 12:16 |
| ybit | and i dreamed about the funny adventures we had | 12:16 |
| ybit | http://singularityhub.com/2010/04/20/transhumanism-gets-its-own-role-playing-game/ | 12:17 |
| ybit | i really want to play eclipse phase now | 12:17 |
| ybit | except, i want an rpg where the players knowledge in the scieces is needed for advancement | 12:18 |
| ybit | maybe that's called rl | 12:18 |
| ybit | turns out there's a lot of h+ talk going on in rpgnet forums because of this game | 12:21 |
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| ybit | http://had.co.nz/ggplot/ | 12:50 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: see? +1 for evidence that (for some reason or another) eclipse phase is only now getting somewhat common | 12:56 |
| ybit | because i am obviously a commoner :D | 13:01 |
| ybit | coffee + unsweetened tea ftw | 13:01 |
| ybit | so, my prototype looks too much like github | 13:02 |
| ybit | time to change | 13:02 |
| ybit | i'm interested in generating random graphs in the header if the user has js enabled | 13:03 |
| ybit | maybe i should be using raphealjs, dunno | 13:03 |
| ybit | jrayhawk: if you play ep, i'll gladly waste a night of my life playing with you | 13:04 |
| jrayhawk | i have no idea why kanzure is mentioning me; i don't actually care about or like tabletop rpgs in almost any context | 13:05 |
| kanzure | yes but i was complaining to you about eclipse phase | 13:05 |
| kanzure | something about jules, i'm sure | 13:05 |
| jrayhawk | jules is far more likely | 13:05 |
| ybit | for more on the popularity: http://eclipsephase.com/posthuman-2010-year-end-review | 13:09 |
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| ybit | also that bulletproof exec talk wasn't the greatest | 13:16 |
| ybit | kanzure, why didn't you might should have taken a shot at this guy :| | 13:16 |
| ybit | er | 13:17 |
| ybit | -"why didn't" | 13:17 |
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| kanzure | i still don't get your sentence | 13:27 |
| ybit | when you were at BIL | 13:35 |
| ybit | maybe it was a different bil | 13:35 |
| ybit | http://www.bulletproofexecutive.com/new-video-dave-aspreys-the-upgraded-self-top | 13:37 |
| ybit | it wasn't terrible talk, but he stated that if you get enough vitamin d, sunscreen isn't needed, and he also stated that you get enough vitamin d from 30 mins of exposure to the sun | 13:38 |
| ybit | so..he's telling me if i stay in the sun for 30 mins each day, i can continue to just skip along the riverbanks for a few more hours without having to worry about sunburn :) | 13:39 |
| ybit | i'm not buying it | 13:39 |
| ybit | and he promotes some gadget from some crazy institution | 13:40 |
| ybit | heartful brain institute or something, i'm too lazy to search through my history for it unless others are interested in discussing it | 13:41 |
| kanzure | i was not at BIL | 13:44 |
| ybit | oh, j.jackson did the bil, i just figured that's where you were | 13:45 |
| ybit | iftf it was | 13:45 |
| kanzure | venter institute might be doing a community diybio lab | 13:47 |
| kanzure | as organized by phil goetz (an employee.. but also long-time transhumanist that you should all already know) | 13:47 |
| kanzure | survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TB79QY6 | 13:47 |
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| ybit | so..skdb..i want a variation of it specifically for science projects | 14:43 |
| ybit | could just build off of mercurial | 14:43 |
| kanzure | someone (eric meltzer?) is making openprotocols.net | 14:46 |
| kanzure | but it's not really a protocol metadata thingy, but more of a social play | 14:46 |
| kanzure | i.e. meltzer wants his site to get popular through the typical social play.. | 14:46 |
| kanzure | but part of that involves typing up protocols into a better format.. not a much better format, but a format slightly better than "here's a block of text" | 14:47 |
| kanzure | ybit: you should also take a look at jonathan cline's work, | 14:57 |
| kanzure | http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/290 | 14:57 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: how's your old monitor knowledge? | 15:32 |
| kanzure | i'm trying to figure out what this is: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_USC-UWiw_Bk/TEW2u_eZ1LI/AAAAAAAAFN8/s3Ch5A4CF3U/s1600/Escape_From_New_York_Wireframe.jpg | 15:32 |
| kanzure | the closest i've found is ibm 5151 and the 'hero graphics card' | 15:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u21826/flightsim-hgc.gif | 15:32 |
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| kanzure | this seems close enough for any practical purposes: | 15:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.gamedev.net/topic/478351-trouble-with-a-bloom-filter/ | 15:50 |
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| ybit | thanks again kanzure | 16:11 |
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| fenn | that's a vector display | 18:07 |
| fenn | oh, it's a movieOS autopilot | 18:10 |
| fenn | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?HollywoodOs | 18:14 |
| ThomasEgi | lol at that link^^ | 18:17 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://www.macstories.net/mac/cathode-is-a-vintage-terminal-for-os-x/ | 18:19 |
| fenn | yeah we watched ascii star wars on that | 18:20 |
| kanzure | oops i guess i meant http://www.secretgeometry.com/apps/cathode/ | 18:20 |
| kanzure | "Disregard thirty years of GUI advancement by immersing yourself in full-screen mode." | 18:21 |
| kanzure | "advancement" | 18:21 |
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| fenn | yeah google maps doesn't come close to the information saliency of this 1980's application http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_v4fVmLOKgjo/Rsm2KBih_zI/AAAAAAAAAg8/DfEyy22NWaI/s1600-h/nyst01.jpg | 18:22 |
| kanzure | example: google maps totally doesn't indicate where manhatten island prison ends and where manhatten island begins | 18:23 |
| Juul | kanzure, are you coming to SynBio 5.0 | 18:24 |
| Juul | ? | 18:25 |
| kanzure | also, higher quality image of that, fenn: | 18:25 |
| kanzure | http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics/1.JPG?0.7759672834821953 | 18:25 |
| kanzure | i wish my computer looked like that all the time :( | 18:25 |
| kanzure | Juul: nah | 18:25 |
| Juul | k | 18:25 |
| kanzure | "All communications with advanced pieces of hardware/software can be accomplished simply by typing green text on a black screen." | 18:29 |
| kanzure | good to know | 18:29 |
| kanzure | clearly i've been doing it wrong and need to change from yellow/white to green/orange | 18:29 |
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| ybit | kanzure: do you still have nature 2008 dump? | 18:59 |
| ybit | my sata drive died and a friend in some far away universe wants them | 18:59 |
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| ybit | it didn't die, i just suck at recovering the data | 19:13 |
| ybit | fs errors | 19:13 |
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| kanzure | yes i stll have lots and lots of data | 19:24 |
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| ybit | kanzure: in ~/bryan/? | 19:26 |
| kanzure | do you need it? | 19:35 |
| jrayhawk | I expect it's a slightly customized vector-instruction CRT out of an arcade cabinet | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | or, rather, the hardware isn't customized, but the game it was originally based on is | 19:38 |
| kanzure | "this is what the future of computer graphics will be, man" | 19:38 |
| kanzure | google maps 1980 | 19:38 |
| jrayhawk | vector CRTs are pretty cool, so i am totally down with that | 19:39 |
| jrayhawk | by-hand compositing is another option | 19:44 |
| jrayhawk | it sure doesn't look rasterised | 19:44 |
| kanzure | i've seen this sort of style in other movies, but i'm not sure which :( | 19:46 |
| kanzure | it's like they are almost saying "hey world, we wanted some cool computer screencaps so instead we stole a buncha neon signs and arranged them like this." | 19:47 |
| jrayhawk | tron...? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | what? | 19:51 |
| kanzure | oh no i haven't actually seen any of the trons | 19:51 |
| jrayhawk | the second one is vacuous but spectacular | 20:00 |
| kanzure | i've been listening to lots of daft punk lately | 20:00 |
| jrayhawk | if by "lots of" you mean "the tron legacy album" then i am in support | 20:01 |
| jrayhawk | otherwise i am just sorry | 20:01 |
| kanzure | i mean "lots of looping of" the tron legacy album, yes | 20:02 |
| jrayhawk | oh good | 20:02 |
| kanzure | phreedom: why are't we talking in here | 20:02 |
| kanzure | this is stupid.. | 20:03 |
| jrayhawk | let me know if i should give ybit access to cysteine | 20:03 |
| kanzure | they are all scared shitless to even mention the word "papers" in here | 20:03 |
| phreedom | kanzure: replied in private :D | 20:05 |
| kanzure | so, i'm a little concerned about the privacy fearmongering | 20:07 |
| kanzure | first as a practical matter, i am tired of updating everyone each time someone tries to talk with me privately | 20:07 |
| phreedom | it's standard practice rather than fearmongering | 20:07 |
| kanzure | further, keeping track of all of my damn private conversations in meetlog.txt is hard when i can't do computational analysis on everything i'm forgetting to tell people about | 20:08 |
| kanzure | there's a time and place for privacy.. like when you deploy infrastructure | 20:08 |
| fenn | like when you're a double triple agent | 20:08 |
| phreedom | which is quickly raided if it's known who is behind | 20:09 |
| phreedom | .... | 20:09 |
| phreedom | *it | 20:09 |
| kanzure | egorochkin from donetsk | 20:10 |
| kanzure | there, you're fucked now | 20:10 |
| kanzure | now can we please stop beating from behind the bush? | 20:10 |
| jrayhawk | NEVER | 20:10 |
| fenn | i believe in TOR | 20:11 |
| phreedom | ok this makes no sense | 20:11 |
| phreedom | and you know why | 20:11 |
| kanzure | i think we should talk about it | 20:11 |
| jrayhawk | it's not me, it's you | 20:12 |
| jrayhawk | oh wait, different kind of talk | 20:12 |
| kanzure | so, worst case scenario | 20:12 |
| kanzure | is that we get everyone to contribute to some sort of paperleaks.org site | 20:13 |
| kanzure | and totally blow up the copyright-publisher-assfucking model | 20:13 |
| kanzure | and then what? companies sue you or me? | 20:13 |
| kanzure | they don't let me publish in their journals any more? | 20:13 |
| kanzure | i can't live in the US? | 20:13 |
| kanzure | i'm perfectly fine with a completely anonymously run paperleaks.org service | 20:13 |
| kanzure | wikileaks is a bad example of how to run a private operation | 20:14 |
| jrayhawk | The US or anywhere with active Berne enforcement, which practically means any WTO country | 20:14 |
| kanzure | len sassaman and a few others from the old cypherpunks group were actively putting together a "good" wikileaks infrastructure | 20:15 |
| kanzure | basically they realized that the guys running wikileaks.org were probably incompetent when it came to really really good security | 20:15 |
| kanzure | i mean, the type of security, privacy and safety you need when you're afraid of basically every government | 20:15 |
| kanzure | (coincidentally this brand of paranoia requires killing all humans) | 20:15 |
| jrayhawk | i thought freenet already existed | 20:15 |
| jrayhawk | i wonder if freenet is actually stable yet | 20:16 |
| phreedom | kanzure: if you don't like privacy, you can't start posting your passwords here in this public, logged and google-indexed channel | 20:16 |
| kanzure | i didn't say i don't like privacy, i just think that we have basically nothing worth keeping private right now | 20:17 |
| phreedom | *can | 20:17 |
| phreedom | kanzure: which is not correct | 20:17 |
| kanzure | how do i know that if you keep making it private from me? | 20:17 |
| phreedom | I don't mind explaining it privately | 20:18 |
| kanzure | i don't think there's much to explain | 20:18 |
| kanzure | but i do think that everyone else in here has good insights into secure infrastructures like what would be required for a distributed paper fetching service | 20:18 |
| kanzure | (well, maybe not everyone) | 20:18 |
| phreedom | so you have just provided a list of suspects, on the record | 20:19 |
| phreedom | good job | 20:19 |
| kanzure | fenn: thoughts? | 20:26 |
| kanzure | for a book written in the 80s(?) it's surprisingly specific about "developing 5 fablabs by 2015" | 20:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.luf.org/Strategic%20Plan/img1.html | 20:34 |
| phreedom | kanzure: all I can say is that to me it appears like you don't have a very good idea of how wikileaks-like orgs are planned, run; what kind of troubles they face and how they work around it | 20:37 |
| phreedom | kanzure: considering the way you handle all this, all I help I can offer is wish you good luck and contribute some code when I see a REAL COMMITMENT, that is when my efforts aren't going to be wasted | 20:39 |
| kanzure | arguably, you don't show a good understanding either (you just claim the details are "private") | 20:41 |
| phreedom | when did I claim that the details are private? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | by not talking about them | 20:41 |
| phreedom | all I said is that I refuse to discuss such things in public | 20:41 |
| kanzure | yeah.. | 20:41 |
| phreedom | kanzure: if you think you can pull this off by giving everyone a notice long before anything happens, providing enough time to make the leaking effort as hard as possible using technical measures and enough time to collect evidence so that lawsuits and complaints can be filed next day you dare to leak your first paper? | 20:47 |
| phreedom | in theory, this might work, never say no and such | 20:47 |
| phreedom | or maybe your plan is not (only) to leak papers but also go piratebay-style civil disobedience | 20:48 |
| phreedom | I don't know | 20:48 |
| phreedom | but I don't think having 2nd piratebay bunch of guys in jail and with large fines changes anything | 20:48 |
| phreedom | IMHO of course | 20:49 |
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| kanzure | "When whole blood is dropped onto the chip’s inlets, the relatively heavy red and white blood cells settle down into the trenches, separating from the clear blood plasma. The blood moves through the chip in a process called degas-driven flow." | 21:13 |
| fenn | here's a very nice microscopy video montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCmbwSCYF9o&feature=related | 21:17 |
| fenn | i agree, freenet exists, why not use it | 21:19 |
| kanzure | it would compromise our privacy!!!!!111oneone | 21:19 |
| fenn | alternatively, the existing bittorrent pirating infrastructure is not too bad | 21:20 |
| fenn | lots of smarmy sites with ads n stuff though, i doubt they'd care that your papers are holier than jenna jameson does dallas or whatever else they hose | 21:20 |
| fenn | host* | 21:20 |
| ybit | 23:03 < jrayhawk> let me know if i should give ybit access to cysteine | 21:20 |
| * ybit is confused | 21:20 | |
| kanzure | it's one of the locations i put a few paper dumps | 21:21 |
| kanzure | on. | 21:21 |
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| ybit | ~bryan/irc i'm guessing | 21:23 |
| kanzure | no | 21:24 |
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| jrayhawk | Yeah, the freenet *model* solves all the technical issues, so there's just the issue of social organization and whether or not the freenet *implementation* will actually work properly today | 21:47 |
| phreedom | jrayhawk: if you consider how much data we are talking about, I doubt it | 21:49 |
| phreedom | it certainly could work sometime in the future | 21:49 |
| phreedom | jrayhawk: freenet is not bad, don't get me wrong | 21:51 |
| phreedom | but it would require quite an effort to make it scale like this | 21:51 |
| phreedom | reliably | 21:51 |
| phreedom | the problem I had encountered in the past is freenet's "short memory" | 21:52 |
| phreedom | that is lack of space in people's containers | 21:52 |
| kanzure | wow i just got paid for my hplusmagazine coding | 22:11 |
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| kanzure | so.. this is what andrew (younger brother) has been up to? | 23:23 |
| kanzure | https://portfolio.du.edu/pc/port?portfolio=abisho33 | 23:23 |
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| kanzure | he sent out this spammy email to everyone he knows to "update everyone on all of the wonderful things i'm doing" | 23:30 |
| kanzure | i'm going to ask him to unsubscribe me i think | 23:30 |
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