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| archels | hi lads | 05:18 |
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| archels | What is new? | 05:19 |
| kanzure | we are no longer lads | 05:21 |
| kanzure | now we are lasses | 05:21 |
| archels | What, still a gender? I thought we'd have transhumaned our way out of that by now. | 05:22 |
| JayDugger | I like my gender just fine, except for the relatively poorer endurance and shorter lifespan. | 05:23 |
| foucist | endurance in what | 05:32 |
| archels | so, I'm kinda looking for a 3k word paper topic. | 05:44 |
| archels | I have to take a standpoint, and make a case for it. | 05:44 |
| archels | My teacher said that just arguing for transhumanism might be too general though. | 05:45 |
| kanzure | can it be completely ridiculous? | 05:50 |
| foucist | archels: maybe argue for an idea you have.. a product idea or something | 05:52 |
| foucist | :P | 05:52 |
| archels | kanzure: probably yes, so long as the reasoning is self-consistent ;) | 05:53 |
| archels | foucist, it's for my neurophilosophy class | 05:53 |
| archels | I was thinking of relating transhumanism to Ernst Becker's ideas in The Denial of Death, but my teacher wasn't familiar with that work. | 05:53 |
| foucist | me either | 05:55 |
| foucist | archels: how about something on timeless decision theory :P | 05:55 |
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| archels | meh, I don't like probabilistics. | 05:57 |
| archels | (if that's a word) | 05:57 |
| archels | 'The basic premise of The Denial of Death is that human civilization is ultimately an elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge of our mortality, which in turn acts as the emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival mechanism.' | 05:57 |
| archels | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denial_of_Death | 05:57 |
| foucist | like worldview of probability for the universe? quantum mechanics ? | 05:58 |
| foucist | hmm | 05:58 |
| archels | I want to believe in the cellular automaton theory of the nature of the universe, but that's another discussion altogether ;) | 05:58 |
| kanzure | ah, it has to be related to neurophilosophy | 05:58 |
| archels | (Incidentally, I'm going to Roger Penrose's lecture on the cyclic universe next Friday) | 05:59 |
| archels | kanzure: yep | 05:59 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of really fucked up neurophil that has been thrown around in this channel | 05:59 |
| foucist | archels: i prefer this idea over 'defense mechanism' .. http://www.jamesrobey.com/man-is-technology/ | 05:59 |
| foucist | (that's my blog) | 05:59 |
| kanzure | i'm sure you can find something obscureand entertaining | 05:59 |
| foucist | archels: it's a crappy post, feel free to follow that one link i have in it | 05:59 |
| archels | kanzure: There are some *yawn* subjects like 'should you convict a pedophile whose behaviour was beyond all doubt causally connected to a tumour in his prefrontal cortex?' | 06:00 |
| kanzure | foucist: i prefer 'what technology wants' or kevin kelly's other articles over that post you linked to | 06:00 |
| kanzure | archels: yeah, that's retarded and lame | 06:00 |
| archels | so I definitely want to write about transhumanism, just not sure on the angle. | 06:01 |
| archels | *reads foucist's post* | 06:01 |
| kanzure | "the neurophilosophy of 4chan" | 06:01 |
| archels | hah | 06:01 |
| foucist | kanzure: yes, it's all based off of 'what technology wants' | 06:01 |
| kanzure | foucist: ok, i give you credit for at least linking to kevin kelly | 06:01 |
| foucist | kanzure: my post that is | 06:01 |
| foucist | kk actually has a book out, but apparently it's not as good | 06:02 |
| foucist | as the 'what technology wants' one | 06:02 |
| kanzure | yeah i expected it would be lame | 06:03 |
| JayDugger | ...? Out of Control? | 06:03 |
| kanzure | these are the main posts worth reading: | 06:03 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2007/03/bootstrapping_t.php | 06:03 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/03/civilizations_a.php | 06:03 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/02/the_forever_boo.php | 06:03 |
| archels | hm, technology as (a) meme(s)? | 06:04 |
| kanzure | foucist: or http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/e4c375acce772250 | 06:04 |
| * archels never read What Technology Wants | 06:04 | |
| foucist | JayDugger: i dunno, i was trying to end the post on a positive note :P | 06:04 |
| foucist | archels: you can get a pretty good idea from oreading that extropy link | 06:04 |
| archels | k, thanks for linky | 06:05 |
| kanzure | foucist: my respect for the mores has dropped like a rock recently | 06:05 |
| kanzure | they live down the street (well, until max moved away to run alcor) | 06:05 |
| foucist | crap.. i made a mistake | 06:08 |
| foucist | i was thinking of a totally different book | 06:08 |
| foucist | by a different author | 06:08 |
| foucist | i heard kk's book sucked | 06:08 |
| foucist | what was the other book? it was by an economicist.. about technology.. | 06:08 |
| foucist | oh | 06:08 |
| JayDugger | Heh. Everybody ever born has feet of clay. That's why we wear shoes. | 06:09 |
| kanzure | foucist: taleb? | 06:09 |
| kanzure | bloom? | 06:09 |
| JayDugger | Bloom's book wasn't worth it. | 06:09 |
| kanzure | many books aren't | 06:09 |
| foucist | no.. | 06:10 |
| kanzure | foucist: you do rails? | 06:10 |
| JayDugger | Yup. That's why I need my own home Watson. It can filter out the dross. | 06:10 |
| foucist | brian arthur's 'the nature of technology' | 06:11 |
| foucist | that's the book | 06:12 |
| foucist | kanzure: yeah i do rails | 06:12 |
| kanzure | are you open to consulting gigs | 06:12 |
| kanzure | or are you employed full-time in a braindrain | 06:12 |
| foucist | i'm pretty flexible, not employed full time | 06:13 |
| kanzure | ok, noted. | 06:14 |
| foucist | kanzure: did you have something in mind?.. | 06:15 |
| foucist | kanzure: i'm probably more open to direct collaboration w/ someone etc | 06:16 |
| foucist | i don't really like working on my own ;) | 06:16 |
| kanzure | there's always stuff in the pipeline, some paying and some just pure fiction | 06:16 |
| foucist | cool | 06:20 |
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| fenn | randall munro is going to have fun with this http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/mining-patterns-in-search-data-with.html | 08:50 |
| fenn | so far i'm pretty impressed with how much tracker-search doesn't suck | 09:02 |
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| JayDugger | fenn, do you have any trouble with it running slowly on samba shares? | 09:42 |
| fenn | i dont use samba shares | 09:44 |
| fenn | it is taking quite a while to index my ebooks | 09:45 |
| fenn | but then, 17GB of pdfs need to be converted to text first | 09:45 |
| fenn | thomas baugis is the developer behind "hamster project" which is a gnome app to do life logging similar to what i do; he made this nice correlation graph of his tags (warning large image) http://www.flickr.com/photos/toms/5206484607/sizes/o/in/photostream/ | 09:46 |
| JayDugger | Oh, does tracker do that? | 09:46 |
| fenn | yes | 09:46 |
| fenn | it finds all sorts of metadata i didnt even kow existed | 09:47 |
| JayDugger | That's interesting. | 09:47 |
| fenn | for example, many images have a 'description' field in their exif data | 09:47 |
| kanzure | and geo coords | 09:47 |
| JayDugger | Does it do a good job of providing accurate metadata, or have you just got semiotic noise. | 09:47 |
| JayDugger | ?, even. | 09:47 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, and camera settings, etc., etc. | 09:47 |
| fenn | well, it finds stuff... | 09:48 |
| fenn | it's fast and it does full text search, what do you want? | 09:48 |
| fenn | can't exactly do page rank on my own hard drive | 09:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.body-pixel.com/2011/06/01/interview-with-marc-dusseiller-hackteria-org-part-1-on-diybio-and-nanotechnology/ | 09:48 |
| kanzure | part 2: http://www.body-pixel.com/2011/06/02/interview-with-marc-dusseiller-from-hackteria-org-part-2-open-sourcing-with-living-systems/ | 09:49 |
| JayDugger | :) I hoped for something more pedestrian, like accurate "Author" data. | 09:49 |
| kanzure | nanosmano :) | 09:49 |
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| kanzure | hi sseehh | 11:03 |
| sseehh | hi kanzure | 11:10 |
| sseehh | hi archels and anyone else im forgetting | 11:10 |
| archels | heya sseehh, I forgot you used to come in here. | 11:26 |
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| archels | sseehh_: I started development on my smart watch project. | 11:32 |
| sseehh_ | archels: cool what technologies does it involve? | 11:32 |
| archels | brb phone | 11:33 |
| archels | sorry, back | 11:39 |
| archels | It's got an AVR 8-bit ultra low power microcontroller, 128x64 transflective LCD (sunlight readable), and will at some point have a zigbee link | 11:40 |
| archels | I also have some environmental sensors lined up. | 11:40 |
| sseehh_ | zigbee in a watch?? could that form mesh networks? | 11:41 |
| archels | I don't plan on coding that, but it's possible in principle. | 11:42 |
| archels | my intention is more about controlling devices around the house. | 11:42 |
| archels | I'm trying to not give in to feature creep. ;) | 11:43 |
| sseehh_ | that will be awesome. especially the mesh network. that can come later | 11:44 |
| archels | yeah, hardware and firmware is going to be open, of course. | 11:45 |
| archels | tty1 might like this, wasn't he doing something with zigbee and mesh networks? | 11:45 |
| sseehh_ | yes zigbee or some other protocol this is right up his alley | 11:45 |
| archels | Hmm, any chance of Syncleus sponsoring the touchscreen LCD for this thing? ;) | 11:47 |
| sseehh_ | yeah i guess you can start with a wikipage and list costs/parts | 11:52 |
| archels | http://www.turingbirds.com/upload/atmega128_dev_board.png | 11:54 |
| archels | current state of affairs ;) | 11:54 |
| sseehh_ | archels: nice what program did u use to make that layout? | 11:57 |
| archels | Cadsoft Eagle | 11:58 |
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| fenn | okay 20GB of books makes searching useless | 13:59 |
| kanzure | yep | 14:25 |
| kanzure | don't you need something like an index 10x the size? | 14:25 |
| fenn | no, it just stores word lists i think | 14:34 |
| kanzure | ok | 14:34 |
| fenn | even 2-grams would be a lot more useful though | 14:35 |
| fenn | am not understanding if quoted phrases are supposed to work or not | 14:36 |
| Utopiah | Google books isn't perfect but with its MyLibrary option it's ok, just have to make the list of read books and hopping most will be present and allow search | 14:36 |
| Utopiah | not as flexible as setting up Lucene or Spynx but.. work | 14:37 |
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| kanzure | http://api.plos.org/ | 15:47 |
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| fenn | the PEPKC mouse is quite interesting, "have the capability of running five to six kilometers at a speed of 20 meters per minute on a treadmill for up to six hours before stopping." | 17:28 |
| fenn | roughly 10 times the endurance of a normal mouse | 17:28 |
| kanzure | is that the 'mighty mouse'? | 17:36 |
| fenn | yes, but that nickname gets used a lot | 17:36 |
| kanzure | gasp i don't have any of the original mighty mouse papers | 17:38 |
| fenn | who are all these longevity emails from? the guy talking about FOXO3A, mTOR, NF-kappaB ec | 17:46 |
| kanzure | eightpennies | 17:55 |
| kanzure | hrm there are a few more recent emails (maybe 5 or 10) that i haven't archived yet | 17:56 |
| kanzure | he and i tried to convince thevegasgroup person to do actual work instead of paying $200/word for documentation that nobody verifies | 17:57 |
| kanzure | he and i failed :( | 17:57 |
| fenn | "not many longevity researchers actually read the literature" why not? | 17:59 |
| kanzure | it's a bell curve.. most people have read at least 20 papers, | 18:00 |
| kanzure | but not many have read 500 | 18:00 |
| kanzure | (or something) | 18:00 |
| fenn | hm tracker isnt searching my emails now, thought i got that to work before | 18:00 |
| fenn | 20 papers isnt very many? | 18:00 |
| kanzure | no.. | 18:00 |
| fenn | is he talking about pharmaceutical company employees? | 18:01 |
| kanzure | no not at all | 18:01 |
| fenn | or undergrads? | 18:01 |
| kanzure | academia. undergrads don't usually read anything | 18:01 |
| kanzure | some undergrads have trouble with just one paper :) | 18:01 |
| fenn | scandalous | 18:01 |
| fenn | of course, there's lots of meaningless strings of letters | 18:01 |
| fenn | but once you figure out what they mean, at least get familiar with them, it starts to make some sense | 18:02 |
| kanzure | right.. it's also easier to sort out crappy papers from the good ones | 18:02 |
| kanzure | *it gets easier | 18:02 |
| kanzure | realistically we know that aubrey isn't reading every paper that he should be | 18:03 |
| kanzure | and if a grad student is doing his job right, he's busy in a lab | 18:03 |
| kanzure | a phd student might do a literature review maybe | 18:03 |
| kanzure | eightpennies claims to have done some personal self-improvement projects regarding longevity.. apparently he's an older gentleman | 18:04 |
| kanzure | (this was within the past year) | 18:04 |
| kanzure | stem cell / blood based. i'm foggy on the details. | 18:04 |
| fenn | "normobaric oxygen therapy" | 18:05 |
| fenn | "partly it's survivalist (I like to survive in style)" | 18:07 |
| fenn | "A rational gambler would bet his/her life." serious bizniz | 18:09 |
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| fenn | "it's so simplistic!"~ http://fennetic.net/irc/NF_kappaB_pathways.png | 18:47 |
| kanzure | aren't you supposed to have a degree in this | 19:35 |
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| AlonzoTG | om | 19:59 |
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| AlonzoTG | Mayko, does anything ppl say here make sense to you? | 20:02 |
| mayko | when I am concentrating on the conversation and understand the context | 20:02 |
| mayko | mostly i just lurk. it is what i do best :D | 20:03 |
| AlonzoTG | To me it's just disconnected bits and pieces about unnamed, tangentially related, projects that people seem to be working on. | 20:05 |
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| mayko | i have seen that happening, yeah | 20:06 |
| mayko | but i also don't know if i pay close enough attention to make the connections between the bits | 20:07 |
| mayko | i have seen some cool conversations | 20:07 |
| AlonzoTG | =\ | 20:07 |
| kanzure | you should ask questions instead | 20:11 |
| ybit | i have a girl friend named mayko | 20:37 |
| AlonzoTG | wow. | 20:39 |
| AlonzoTG | I didn't think girls even bothered with guys anymore. | 20:39 |
| AlonzoTG | =( | 20:39 |
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| ybit | it's quite the opposite over here, i don't bother with teh ladies | 20:39 |
| ybit | i find it quite difficult to pick a girl up when the only thing that comes to mind to discuss is density functional theory | 20:40 |
| ybit | but it's expected in this city | 20:40 |
| QuantumG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U <- watch it all the way through :) | 20:41 |
| ybit | am i right? | 20:41 |
| ybit | ;) | 20:41 |
| ybit | high fives all around | 20:41 |
| ybit | umkay, now i'm just being silly | 20:41 |
| foucist | ybit: what city | 20:41 |
| ybit | hah | 20:41 |
| foucist | cambridge? | 20:41 |
| ybit | close | 20:41 |
| ybit | florence, alabama | 20:42 |
| ybit | lol | 20:42 |
| foucist | what school is there? | 20:42 |
| ybit | you mean tertiary or secondary ;) | 20:42 |
| ybit | they all kind of blend in | 20:42 |
| foucist | tert | 20:42 |
| foucist | what uni | 20:43 |
| ybit | www.una.edu | 20:43 |
| foucist | nm heh | 20:43 |
| ybit | closest uni that doesn't suck so hard is www.uah.edu, then www.uab.edu, then www.ua.edu | 20:43 |
| ybit | well, insert vandy right before the ua.edu | 20:43 |
| ybit | foucist: where are you? | 20:44 |
| foucist | from canada.. but abroad right now | 20:46 |
| foucist | ybit: as a young geek, i used to judge girls by the same standards i judged men.. i.e. i expected them to be like men, willing to discus density functional theory, be direct about picking up men for sex, etc.. | 20:47 |
| foucist | (like back when i was 20..) | 20:47 |
| ybit | i don't really expect that to happen | 20:47 |
| kanzure | haha that's not realistic | 20:47 |
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| kanzure | rules for girls: | 20:47 |
| kanzure | 1) ignore her | 20:47 |
| kanzure | 2) ignore her | 20:47 |
| kanzure | then you've got it made. | 20:48 |
| ybit | thankfully i'm logging | 20:48 |
| foucist | just you and your right hand to keep you company | 20:48 |
| ybit | that's the life! | 20:48 |
| kanzure | if you pander to them constantly nothing will work | 20:48 |
| fenn | build a sex robot, drive them wild with jealousy! | 20:48 |
| ybit | :D | 20:49 |
| ybit | i'm content to not date most times, like tonight, where i could care less | 20:49 |
| foucist | anyways, once i realized that men & women are like two alien species that happen to have a symbiotic relationship for procreation purposes, things made more sense.. women are from venus, men are from mars.. it's true ;) | 20:49 |
| ybit | salsa, chips, and rootbeer are much better than any girl atm | 20:49 |
| foucist | kanzure: yeah don't put them on a pedestal | 20:49 |
| ybit | i'm going to date a girl from mars one day | 20:50 |
| fenn | they exist | 20:50 |
| ybit | i fucked a girl from mars once | 20:50 |
| ybit | that was fun | 20:50 |
| foucist | rofl | 20:51 |
| foucist | & gross | 20:51 |
| foucist | sounds incestuous | 20:51 |
| kanzure | no he means Mars, Inc. | 20:51 |
| ybit | she was a lesbian wanting to experiment, woot | 20:51 |
| kanzure | it was a m&m fetish | 20:51 |
| foucist | hah | 20:51 |
| fenn | did she discuss dft with you? | 20:51 |
| ybit | of course not | 20:51 |
| mayko | ybit: yay! | 20:51 |
| fenn | then what makes her "from mars"? | 20:51 |
| ybit | she's into girls like me | 20:52 |
| fenn | you're not a girl :( | 20:52 |
| kanzure | i can confirm this >:( | 20:52 |
| ybit | heh | 20:52 |
| kanzure | fenn is more likely to be a good detector of martian girls | 20:52 |
| fenn | i have unresolved emotional issues which prevent me from acting on my observations | 20:53 |
| * ybit wants fenn's detectors | 20:53 | |
| kanzure | put him in a room with one "oh yep definitely, something's off in here" | 20:53 |
| ybit | hehe | 20:53 |
| fenn | you guys should hang out in san francisco at some point in your life | 20:54 |
| ybit | i would like to | 20:54 |
| ybit | is there something i'm supposed to observe? | 20:55 |
| fenn | also, MIT seems to be a good place to meet martian girls | 20:55 |
| ybit | yeah... good friend of mine keeps telling me there's plenty for me, he and his girlfriend were sitting in a coffee shop naming girls i could date | 20:56 |
| ybit | er, they are both @ mit | 20:56 |
| kanzure | there was this blog post by a girl on okcupid who dated 100 guys in like 3 months | 20:56 |
| ybit | sounds like my cousin | 20:56 |
| fenn | was it nonvotphod? | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i hate her because that's at least 10-15x more difficult for a guy to do | 20:56 |
| ybit | yeah | 20:57 |
| ybit | i'm supposed to be meeting some girl tomorrow afternoon, she apparently only speak spanish too | 20:57 |
| kanzure | http://www.talknerdytomelover.com/home/2011/4/29/nerdsunite-an-analysis-of-103-okcupid-dates-in-9-months.html | 20:58 |
| kanzure | ah, 9 months | 20:58 |
| fenn | that's one every 3 days | 20:58 |
| kanzure | not bad | 20:58 |
| foucist | guys can do that if they lower their standards | 20:58 |
| kanzure | i think i know of her because she dated ryan bethencourt | 20:58 |
| fenn | i'm pretty sure todd's friend michelle did more than that | 20:58 |
| kanzure | you're right, once every 3 days isn't that hard for a guy to do | 20:59 |
| kanzure | i guess i thought it was more like 1 a day, with a new guy every time | 20:59 |
| fenn | hum, well if you care go study PUA techniques | 20:59 |
| kanzure | been there, done that.. don't care that much | 20:59 |
| fenn | that price is right screenshot looks like it's from 1975 | 21:00 |
| kanzure | but, PUA skills have this really strange cross-over with self-promotion and getting money from investors | 21:00 |
| fenn | yep | 21:01 |
| fenn | CONFIDENCE!!!!!! | 21:01 |
| fenn | and reality distortion | 21:01 |
| kanzure | a field of it | 21:01 |
| kanzure | a reality distortion field | 21:01 |
| fenn | just think of it like hacking people's perception | 21:01 |
| kanzure | you might think i'm a moderately good programmer, but in reality i'm really a slightly better moderately good programmer | 21:02 |
| kanzure | ::handwaving:: | 21:02 |
| fenn | i dont get why this chick thinks she's a nerd | 21:02 |
| kanzure | she runs a BLOG OMG | 21:02 |
| fenn | "look i'm on the internet!" | 21:02 |
| kanzure | "and it's not facebook!" | 21:02 |
| foucist | she mentioned something about a high IQ.. | 21:03 |
| foucist | but man she's wayyy fucking hot | 21:03 |
| kanzure | people who mention high IQs are just scum | 21:03 |
| kanzure | she looks like a toy that will snap if you look at her wrong | 21:04 |
| foucist | "ks. The ONE thing I loved about dating the mentalist was that for the first time in my life I felt like I was dating someone as smart as me. (Well, technically speaking, I am actually smarter than him. No, like in a very literal sense - I have a guaranteed higher IQ based on the ability to execute alone. MWAHAHA!!! Suckkaaaa!)" | 21:04 |
| fenn | describes herself as "online reputation manager" | 21:04 |
| fenn | is it just me or is that about as un-nerdy as you can get and still do internet stuff? | 21:05 |
| kanzure | i'ts not just you. | 21:05 |
| fenn | speaking of IQ, how do you take lots of IQ tests without your scores getting skewed because you've memorized all the questions? | 21:06 |
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| fenn | i've noticed that within a given IQ test all the questions are very similar | 21:06 |
| fenn | once you find a pattern you can zip through the rest of them | 21:06 |
| fenn | but they calculate it as if all the questions are equally difficult | 21:06 |
| fenn | this question derives from my interest in nootropics and whether they actually do anything, fwiw | 21:07 |
| kanzure | i don't know why someone like her saying that about IQ is such a huge turn-off to me | 21:07 |
| kanzure | what do you want? tracthenburg all the time? jeeze | 21:08 |
| fenn | man with world's highest IQ works as a night club bouncer, and writing a mathematical proof of the existence of god in his spare time | 21:09 |
| kanzure | isn't that the same thing the man with the biggest dick does? | 21:10 |
| fenn | no, he's a talk show host | 21:10 |
| fenn | so how do i go about measuring the effects of nootropics? | 21:11 |
| kanzure | http://listen.di.fm/public3/goapsy.pls | 21:12 |
| kanzure | fenn: what level of detail do you want | 21:12 |
| kanzure | psychometrics? neurophysiology data? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | chemical? | 21:12 |
| fenn | something that correlates with drug intake | 21:12 |
| fenn | preferably a useful behavior or test performance | 21:12 |
| kanzure | haha but that devolves quickly.. | 21:13 |
| kanzure | "useful behavior" "what is the goal" "how should an optimal agent behave" blah blah blah | 21:13 |
| kanzure | the reality is that researchers just use lame color association tests and other shit | 21:13 |
| fenn | goa :\ | 21:13 |
| fenn | at least do psytrance | 21:13 |
| * kanzure changes | 21:14 | |
| kanzure | er | 21:14 |
| kanzure | help? | 21:14 |
| fenn | huh. di.fm doesn't have anything i like | 21:15 |
| fenn | maybe breaks | 21:15 |
| kanzure | breaks? | 21:15 |
| fenn | blah nm | 21:15 |
| fenn | kinda slow but i liked many of these http://dl.dropbox.com/u/946099/interiorlabyrinths.zip | 21:17 |
| kanzure | heh ambient.pls is playing "Stars Of The Lid - Austin Texas Mental Hospital (Part 1)" | 21:17 |
| fenn | rm *kraddy* | 21:18 |
| fenn | kanzure: okay how do i measure programming productivity? that's a specific enough goal | 21:19 |
| kanzure | project milestones | 21:19 |
| fenn | certainly writing a functioning program is better than not having written anything at all | 21:19 |
| kanzure | do you have enough data to judge past performance on milestones? | 21:19 |
| fenn | but the problem with this test is you can't compare the difficulty of writing program A vs program B | 21:19 |
| kanzure | that's true, but if you're sane of mind you will be picking sufficiently small or sufficiently correctly-sized programs in the first place | 21:20 |
| fenn | "incommensurability" | 21:20 |
| fenn | i'm just trying to avoid confirmation bias more than anything | 21:21 |
| kanzure | i dunno who said it first but patri brought to my attention that "n=1 might sound bad, but it's n equals you and that's the one that matters, so what if you're fooling yourself if the results are correct" | 21:22 |
| kanzure | of course, i agree with you.. | 21:23 |
| fenn | guh.. because it might have side effects which you're ignoring? | 21:23 |
| kanzure | there are a lot of different tests for attention shifting but honestly i've never been convinced.. | 21:23 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/autism/multitasking/ | 21:24 |
| fenn | i don't think attention is the end-all-be-all of intelligence | 21:24 |
| kanzure | (dunno why that's in 'autism') | 21:24 |
| kanzure | 'multiple errands shopping test' heh | 21:24 |
| fenn | heh | 21:24 |
| kanzure | actually that was a rather interesting article | 21:24 |
| kanzure | some people failed in rather spectacular ways | 21:24 |
| kanzure | like re-visiting the same store multiple times | 21:25 |
| fenn | "go buy six orange, a prime number of eggs, and a loaf of bread that is not made from a grain, while juggling" | 21:25 |
| kanzure | "while also reciting the launch sequence for apollo 13" | 21:25 |
| fenn | "I have a guaranteed higher IQ based on the ability to execute alone."-girl didnt read the literature | 21:27 |
| kanzure | oh man that's right.. "Separable brain systems supporting cued versus self-initiated realization of delayed intentions" | 21:27 |
| kanzure | 'delayed intentions' are funky | 21:27 |
| kanzure | poorly understood but i find them very frequent in my daily life | 21:27 |
| fenn | uh, like remembering to do stuff? | 21:28 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:28 |
| foucist | meh.. social media seems like a lot of fucking work | 21:28 |
| kanzure | foucist: just write lots of bots | 21:28 |
| kanzure | many people think i'm an actual person | 21:28 |
| foucist | (stil lreading that nerd girl's post) | 21:28 |
| kanzure | the reality is much more hilarious | 21:28 |
| foucist | kanzure: you can't fool me, i hacked your webcam | 21:29 |
| fenn | he's running the synthetic pigeonrank algorithm | 21:29 |
| fenn | you know those birds that peck at a glass of water? | 21:29 |
| foucist | you've got a pizza stain on your greay sweatshirt | 21:29 |
| foucist | heh | 21:29 |
| kanzure | that's not a stain that's a whole pizza slice | 21:29 |
| fenn | score! | 21:29 |
| foucist | lol | 21:29 |
| kanzure | foucist: so you weren't around when i was doing this, | 21:30 |
| kanzure | but i used to have crawlers on top of okcupid | 21:30 |
| kanzure | the dynamics of online dating are such that it's a novel thing for about 5min, but no guy should ever spend more than 10min in his entire life on it | 21:31 |
| kanzure | however, there's a lot of data.. and various ways to game the system with fake profiles and mass-visiting profiles | 21:31 |
| fenn | better than television, i say | 21:33 |
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| kanzure | it's been too long since i've gone through some of these papers | 21:38 |
| kanzure | this is nice | 21:38 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/The%20role%20of%20the%20thalamus%20in%20the%20flow%20of%20information%20to%20the%20cortex.pdf | 21:38 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Single-channel%20recording%20of%20ligand-gated%20ion%20channels.pdf | 21:39 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Resolving%20single%20cone%20inputs%20to%20visual%20receptive%20fields.pdf | 21:39 |
| kanzure | why can't more science be like that. | 21:39 |
| fenn | because grad students don't have access to robots and end up wasting all their time pipetting stuff around instead of building useful optogenetic tools | 21:41 |
| kanzure | grad students should learn not to take so much shit | 21:41 |
| fenn | the eye just happens to be an optogenetic system already | 21:41 |
| fenn | unfortunately, that's the trait that's been selected for | 21:42 |
| kanzure | how do you explain tony | 21:45 |
| fenn | i dont really know that much about him | 21:46 |
| fenn | physics? obsessed with cellular automata, some kind of family connection with aboriginal rights? | 21:46 |
| kanzure | uh, tim | 21:46 |
| kanzure | sorry | 21:47 |
| kanzure | tim | 21:47 |
| fenn | tim who? | 21:47 |
| kanzure | marzullo | 21:47 |
| kanzure | tim marzullo makes way more sense in context | 21:47 |
| fenn | oh, uh.. played commodore64 as a kid i guess | 21:47 |
| fenn | i don't really know why he's going on this crusade | 21:48 |
| kanzure | windmills. | 21:48 |
| kanzure | oh great they are making $4k/mo | 21:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.backyardbrains.com/finance.aspx | 21:49 |
| kanzure | well that's good | 21:49 |
| fenn | wow | 21:50 |
| fenn | hm. scroogle.org lets you verify that everyone else actually sees those google search results too | 21:54 |
| kanzure | the quality of dragonball seems to be much more consistent than dbz | 21:57 |
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| JayDugger | Which did you see at an earlier age? | 22:06 |
| kanzure | both, but more of dbz | 22:06 |
| JayDugger | Hmm...so much for that theory. | 22:07 |
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| JayDugger | I spent some time earlier today, while staying up late and awaiting FedEx, going through Wikipedia and looking up old anime I'd only heard of, but not seen, when I was a teenager. | 22:08 |
| JayDugger | (Pre-Internet, pre-machine translation, pre-ADV films) | 22:08 |
| JayDugger | Well, not pre-Internet, but I didn't have an Internet connection twenty-five years ago. | 22:09 |
| kanzure | you mean.. the era of VHS passed down from the coast? | 22:09 |
| JayDugger | Yes. | 22:09 |
| JayDugger | You may improvise feigned shock. | 22:09 |
| JayDugger | None of the series I researched produced a sense of wonder nor seemed so exotic now-a-days as they once did. | 22:10 |
| kanzure | maybe they were insufficiently esoteric | 22:11 |
| JayDugger | Your comment about DBZ and Dragonball made me wonder if something similar happened to you. | 22:11 |
| JayDugger | Aura Battler Dunbine? | 22:11 |
| kanzure | since, after all, you were hearing about them even without internet | 22:11 |
| JayDugger | That's a possibility. | 22:12 |
| kanzure | man why the hell don't we have ourselves any manga chicks in here | 22:13 |
| JayDugger | I suspect my ignorance of the various then-rumored anime just kept me from applying Sturgeon's Law to them. | 22:13 |
| JayDugger | Otherwise I'd have suspected that 90% of them lacked merit. | 22:13 |
| JayDugger | ... | 22:14 |
| JayDugger | Those who like manga, or the less likely those who resemble characters from manga? | 22:15 |
| JayDugger | The latter, thankfully, exist in such small numbers that you might complain we have no Sasquatch or Yeti. | 22:15 |
| kanzure | who like manga | 22:16 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 22:16 | |
| JayDugger | Oh. | 22:16 |
| fenn | if you build it, they will come | 22:18 |
| fenn | (a ten story robot exoskeleton, that is) | 22:19 |
| JayDugger | Heck, yes! Where am I headed to see this? | 22:27 |
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| foucist | a field in iowa of course | 23:13 |
| foucist | same place as field of dreams | 23:13 |
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