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| augur | kanzure: i sometimes feel like im doing stuff a monkey could do :( | 00:55 |
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| augur | mostly its because my field lacks any real input from computational methods | 00:55 |
| augur | omg taco bell job applications to graded papers | 00:58 |
| augur | i wish | 00:58 |
| augur | god i wish i could do that | 00:58 |
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| fenn | man i love this weird chinese animated news show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udcnlLXUh8E&feature=channel_video_title | 03:21 |
| fenn | facebooks un-anonymous! http://www.youtube.com/user/NMAWorldEdition#p/u/21/BCCD6bJRh3o | 03:26 |
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| augur | fenn: how come fuckin animated chinese news knows the difference between anonymous and lulzsec but the western media doesnt | 04:56 |
| fenn | because they started on the net and not traditional media? | 04:57 |
| fenn | i wonder if these are the guys who do animations for the daily show | 04:58 |
| Fiohnel | it's been a long time since I last watch these | 04:58 |
| Fiohnel | I remember the one with Steve Jobs | 04:58 |
| augur | fenn: probably | 05:03 |
| augur | theyre also very up to date | 05:03 |
| augur | the CIA takedown was like | 05:03 |
| augur | what, yesterday? | 05:03 |
| augur | the day before? | 05:03 |
| augur | and they animated a bit about that already | 05:03 |
| augur | snappy | 05:03 |
| QuantumG | Memory Implant Gives Rats Sharper Recollection - http://nyti.ms/ji0Dmh | 05:03 |
| fenn | but i want it now! waaaah | 05:05 |
| fenn | why do the rats get all the cool toys | 05:05 |
| augur | grr | 05:05 |
| augur | i keep seenig things out of the corner of my eye | 05:05 |
| augur | this is what i get for not sleeping hardly at all | 05:05 |
| Fiohnel | I wonder if there's name for such phenomenon | 05:06 |
| Fiohnel | seeing things out of the corner of one's eye | 05:06 |
| QuantumG | fenn: it sounds like Peter F. Hamilton's brain backup crystals to me :) | 05:06 |
| Fiohnel | if you try to focus on it, it disappears | 05:06 |
| fenn | "hallucinations" | 05:06 |
| Fiohnel | not very specific | 05:06 |
| QuantumG | there is a term for it.. can't remember it right now.. I need an implant. | 05:07 |
| Fiohnel | probably something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floater | 05:08 |
| Fiohnel | ? | 05:08 |
| fenn | oh, an optical thing? | 05:08 |
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| Fiohnel | yeah | 05:08 |
| Fiohnel | for example there's a spot, scab or wound on the right side of your eyeball that makes you see things in the corner | 05:09 |
| Fiohnel | but if you rotate your eyeballs to right | 05:09 |
| Fiohnel | ofc it disappears | 05:09 |
| Fiohnel | from your vision | 05:09 |
| fenn | i used to ask my eye doctor about all this stuff, they didn't know anything. now it's all over wikipedia and you can't miss it | 05:09 |
| Fiohnel | doctors only know about emergencies | 05:10 |
| Fiohnel | these kind of stuffs are just trivias | 05:10 |
| fenn | yeah, unless you have diabetes and don't know it | 05:11 |
| Fiohnel | that'd require lab test, something outside wikipedia scope | 05:12 |
| Fiohnel | or any self-help | 05:12 |
| fenn | i think doctors should know stuff. call me crazy | 05:12 |
| Fiohnel | well doctors are human and they have limited memory | 05:13 |
| Fiohnel | better put just the life-threatening stuff there instead of trivias | 05:13 |
| QuantumG | 3 years and 3 months I've known I have diabetes. And since then I've 1) given up sugar and 2) not had any abnormal blood sugar measurements. | 05:13 |
| Fiohnel | I see | 05:13 |
| Fiohnel | I got positive on Hepatitis B virus too | 05:13 |
| QuantumG | where does the time go | 05:14 |
| Fiohnel | but haven't go to doctors for consultation | 05:14 |
| fenn | " in our small sample of 37 self-trackers, the mean narcissism scores were almost at the center of the range of mean scores in a set of five large surveys used to validate the NPI-16 against a longer and well-validated measure of narcissism, the NPI-40." | 05:16 |
| fenn | there you have it folks | 05:16 |
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| fenn | 'Many people mean “narcissism” more loosely; more or less as a synonym for “annoying.” If narcissism means annoying, then this test doesn’t resolve the issue.' | 05:17 |
| fenn | now i'm wondering if there's a standardized psychiatric test for "annoying" | 05:17 |
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| Fiohnel | cloning git directory | 07:53 |
| Fiohnel | oops wrong window | 07:53 |
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| foucist | Fiohnel: seemed like the right window to me | 08:04 |
| Fiohnel | heh | 08:12 |
| kanzure | javascript mp3 decoder http://jsmad.org/ | 08:47 |
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| kanzure | delicious, delicious data | 08:53 |
| kanzure | ftp://ftp-trace.ncbi.nih.gov/1000genomes/ftp/data/ | 08:53 |
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| Zala | does anyone remember the URL for that online neuron simulator that learns from the input of all users visiting the site | 09:49 |
| Zala | (language based one) | 09:49 |
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| lumos | kanzure, | 09:50 |
| kanzure | Zala: eliza? | 09:50 |
| Zala | no not Eliza | 09:50 |
| kanzure | Zala: but eliza doesn't have much to do with neurons | 09:50 |
| Zala | Eliza is bad | 09:50 |
| kanzure | agreed | 09:50 |
| kanzure | lumos: what? | 09:50 |
| Zala | I didn't mention Eliza or say it had something to do with neurons | 09:50 |
| Zala | the site I asked about | 09:51 |
| kanzure | yes i know, you said you wanted something that had something to do with neurons, and i pointed out that my suggestion didn't fit that criteria | 09:51 |
| Zala | is shared for all users, learns from all | 09:51 |
| lumos | hi Zala my name is lumos | 09:51 |
| Zala | ok kanzure you have a very logical thought process are you related towards Eliza | 09:51 |
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| Zola | Kanzure are you using a cybernetic AI enhancement implant or similar? | 09:52 |
| Zola | for logic | 09:52 |
| kanzure | yeah | 09:52 |
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| Zola | Kanzure why make jokes? | 09:52 |
| kanzure | no joke, implant | 09:52 |
| Guest70630 | kanzure, are you serious | 09:53 |
| Zola | Show proof | 09:53 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/docs/neuro/ | 09:53 |
| Utopiah | on jokes http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12451 | 09:53 |
| Guest70630 | do you have a cube | 09:54 |
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| kanzure | just fyi i'm moving /docs/neuro to diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants | 09:58 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants/ <-- much better | 09:58 |
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| Zola | i cant find the site for the shared neural network | 10:03 |
| Utopiah | http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/news-as-cyberpunk/invasion-of-the-body-hackers/ | 10:09 |
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| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_dimensioning_and_tolerancing#GD.26T_standards | 10:58 |
| ybit | i might cry | 10:58 |
| foucist | hmm | 12:49 |
| foucist | i have trouble following what y'all are going on about | 12:49 |
| foucist | it's like half the convo in this chan is happening elsewhere | 12:49 |
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| ybit | foucist: what's there to follow? | 13:07 |
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| kanzure | foucist: feel free to point out shit | 13:59 |
| kanzure | foucist: or we can all just admit irc is genuinely confusing | 13:59 |
| foucist | heh | 13:59 |
| kanzure | another schizophrenic has emailed me today: | 14:03 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/lolwhat.txt | 14:03 |
| kanzure | i don't know why you people keep contacting me | 14:03 |
| kanzure | ""I am maybe the only really telepathic person in the world. You should not think that I could be Schizophrenic. Crazy but over 80% of all telepathi | 14:03 |
| kanzure | c experiences are the same like for Schizophrenia." | 14:03 |
| kanzure | ""I can exchange voice, video, smell, people can move small move muscles on my body from distance and much more and all messages from me are transm | 14:03 |
| kanzure | itted to big number of people so I am a Mental Radio." | 14:04 |
| kanzure | this one is gold: "What I find most fascinating my telepathy is nearly identical to what Schizophrenics experience." | 14:04 |
| Utopiah | flash of lucidity | 14:04 |
| kanzure | if you say so | 14:05 |
| archels | kanzure: Is this mailing list spam or directed at you personally? | 14:16 |
| kanzure | me personally | 14:16 |
| archels | bizarre | 14:17 |
| archels | Eric Burton's also at it again on [singularity] | 14:18 |
| archels | and the guy behind www.transalchemy.com just got committed | 14:18 |
| archels | The internet is filled with lunatics. | 14:18 |
| kanzure | wasn't that SeH? | 14:19 |
| kanzure | ah no, Carlos A. Mejia | 14:19 |
| archels | the latter, yes | 14:21 |
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| fenn | foucist: half of the conversation is in the past, half in the future | 16:19 |
| fenn | ybit: GDT is hot shit. leave it to ISO to make something simple confusing | 16:19 |
| fenn | i recommend a book instead; manufacturing hasnt quite caught up to the 21st century it seems | 16:20 |
| kanzure | i recommend hanging out at a machine shop | 16:20 |
| kanzure | preferably a military contract shop or one with guys at least 70 years old | 16:20 |
| fenn | Their first Mistake was not taking me seriously | 16:22 |
| fenn | Their second Mistake was not taking me seriously | 16:22 |
| fenn | Their third Mistake was taking me too seriously | 16:22 |
| fenn | Patience insects patience! You will "All" be enslaved soon enough! ... | 16:22 |
| fenn | i think if my name were carlos mejia i'd change it to something absurdly memorable | 16:27 |
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| fenn | "facebook is like a jail. you sit around, waste time, have a profile picture, write on walls, and get poked by guys you don't really know." | 16:33 |
| fenn | interesting, now the conspiracy theories involve people i actually know http://www.transalchemy.com/view/sidebar/2056229366985860457/2011/06/bilderberg-attendees.html | 16:44 |
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| kanzure | huh lolcad's visualizer.py doesn't have nurbs support | 16:48 |
| kanzure | i forgot to move that code into there :( | 16:48 |
| kanzure | oh that's right.. i was messing around with wxpython in there | 16:49 |
| kanzure | my life? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMmdl4VltD4 | 16:52 |
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| fenn | my life? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8ae1AL48E | 16:56 |
| kanzure | your life is flcl? | 16:57 |
| kanzure | that must suck | 16:57 |
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| fenn | no, just in high school | 17:05 |
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| QuantumG | would it fucking kill youtube to remember my volume settings? | 17:19 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:24 |
| kanzure | i wonder if anyone has bothered to make an alternative flash client for youtube | 17:25 |
| kanzure | there's the html5 frontend but that doesn't count | 17:25 |
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| jrayhawk | cclive works fine | 17:33 |
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| kanzure | hi groffer | 17:43 |
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| fenn | " if computer sabotage shut down as much commerce as would a naval blockade, it could be considered an act of war that justifies retaliation, Mr. Lewis said. Gauges would include “death, damage, destruction or a high level of disruption” he said." | 17:54 |
| fenn | didn't these guys ever watch "war games"? | 17:55 |
| QuantumG | obligatory: shall we play a game? | 17:55 |
| fenn | decision makers should not be taking testosterone supplements | 17:55 |
| fenn | s/decision/policy/ | 17:55 |
| QuantumG | in any case, they're trying to allude to privateering | 17:58 |
| fenn | privateering? | 17:58 |
| QuantumG | pivateer: an armed ship owned and officered by private individuals holding a government commission and authorized for use in warpiracy | 18:00 |
| QuantumG | war/piracy | 18:01 |
| fenn | so, like, russian hackers working for switzerland or something? | 18:01 |
| fenn | i dont get what you're trying to say | 18:01 |
| fenn | who would the US military attack then? | 18:02 |
| QuantumG | or just hackers who are given the nod by their government to attack foreign assets | 18:02 |
| fenn | huh. artificial pancreas makes a lot of sense, why did it take until 2011? | 18:03 |
| QuantumG | dunno if you're aware of the cyberwar meme.. the US military doesn't attack the Chinese military.. there's a level of deniability involved. | 18:03 |
| fenn | but they're talking about exactly that | 18:03 |
| fenn | "you shut down our power grid, maybe we send a missile down your smoke stack" | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | because everyone understands the game.. some people are calling for dropping the facade. Others are still denying there's even anything going on. | 18:05 |
| fenn | i havent seen any evidence there's anything going on (but i havent looked) | 18:06 |
| fenn | aside from stuxnet | 18:06 |
| fenn | i dont really see the motive for china shutting down US infrastructure | 18:06 |
| QuantumG | I'm personally of the opinion that military units are preparing for cyberwar but no country actually engaging in it.. not even with privateers. Although I'm sure there's plenty of hacking groups that are trying to position themselves as potential privateers. | 18:06 |
| fenn | i'm all in favor of cyberwar as a substitute for physical war, but it seems, i dunno, immature | 18:07 |
| kanzure | fenn: how do you explain the google hacks? | 18:07 |
| fenn | china has a legitimate beef with google | 18:08 |
| kanzure | hacking u.s. companies isn't just as bad? | 18:08 |
| kanzure | what if they bombed google's complexes | 18:08 |
| fenn | first of all, google should be able to take care of their own shit | 18:08 |
| kanzure | of course | 18:08 |
| fenn | second, denying someone access to google isn't "an act of war" | 18:09 |
| kanzure | haha that's not what they did | 18:09 |
| kanzure | i mean the hacking that broke into google corp | 18:09 |
| fenn | i dont know what you're referring to specifically, link? | 18:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.businessinsider.com/did-the-chinese-government-hack-google-2010-1 | 18:10 |
| kanzure | grr bad link | 18:10 |
| kanzure | better: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/operation-aurora/ | 18:10 |
| QuantumG | a better analogy than bombing.. if they had sent spies to get jobs at Google to obtain the information they wanted.. would that be an act of war? | 18:11 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: can you help me find a good link for fenn | 18:12 |
| kanzure | the one with the massive ie6 exploits used against google | 18:12 |
| fenn | i'm sorry but reading someone's email is not an act of war | 18:12 |
| QuantumG | it was the procurement of source code that Google really cared about. | 18:13 |
| kanzure | "Once a victim's system was compromised, a backdoor connection that masqueraded as an SSL connection made connections to command and control servers running in Illinois, Texas, and Taiwan, including machines that were running under stolen Rackspace customer accounts." | 18:13 |
| kanzure | "The victim's machine then began exploring the protected corporate intranet that it was a part of, searching for other vulnerable systems as well as sources of intellectual property, specifically the contents of source code repositories." | 18:13 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora | 18:13 |
| kanzure | i didn't know it had a name.. haven't looked at this in a while | 18:13 |
| QuantumG | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/google-censorship-china/ some follow on at the time. | 18:14 |
| * fenn yawns | 18:14 | |
| QuantumG | more links at the bottom, etc. | 18:14 |
| fenn | please show me an act of cyber warfare | 18:14 |
| kanzure | i'm just countering your claim that it was something about google being blocked | 18:15 |
| QuantumG | recently a bunch of russian spies were found in the US, held, sent home. | 18:15 |
| QuantumG | I'd call the attack on Google as more like "cyber espionage" - if you insist prepending cyber on everything | 18:15 |
| kanzure | installing rootkits and backdoors isn't cyberwar? | 18:15 |
| QuantumG | espionage is rarely considered "an act of war" | 18:16 |
| kanzure | cybercybering | 18:16 |
| * kanzure puts on his robe and wizard hat | 18:16 | |
| kanzure | *cyberhat | 18:16 |
| QuantumG | killing people is usually the whole act of war thing.. but hey, economic warfare.. I guess. | 18:17 |
| kanzure | naval blockades? | 18:17 |
| QuantumG | generally involves threats to kill people if they fail to comply yeah | 18:18 |
| fenn | it just sounds like they are scrambling around for a new justification for spending 500 gigadollars a year | 18:18 |
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| fenn | can anyone tell me why we aren't doing invasive neuroscience on terminal cancer patients? | 18:51 |
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| kanzure | fenn what sort of preference do you have for CAD programs when you resize them | 19:35 |
| kanzure | should it scale the scene and keep the target in the center of the window as best a possible? | 19:35 |
| kanzure | or should it occlude the view and only change how much of the scene is being displayed (but still with zoom in/out functions) | 19:35 |
| kanzure | *as best as possible | 19:36 |
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| fenn | zoom should be done with the mouse wheel, centered in on where the zoom is occurring; zoom should by symmetric, same behavior for zooming in as out | 20:56 |
| kanzure | sure but what about the window resizingz | 20:57 |
| fenn | s/where the zoom is occurring/where the mouse pointer is/ | 20:57 |
| fenn | oh, i see what you mean | 20:57 |
| fenn | occlude the view tends to be less herky jerky | 20:57 |
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| kanzure | okie dokie | 21:00 |
| fenn | i don't think the scene content should change at all when resizing the window | 21:09 |
| kanzure | lots of opengl examples (for some reason) resize the entire scene | 21:10 |
| kanzure | :( | 21:10 |
| fenn | it look fine if your framerate is high | 21:10 |
| kanzure | no i mean sometimes opengl programs resize the content of the window so if it's 50x50 suddenly your sphere fits inside of that window | 21:11 |
| kanzure | dunno what this is yet http://upverter.com/ | 21:21 |
| kanzure | claims to be 'collaborative hardware design' | 21:21 |
| kanzure | their video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXcvNsPpcB4 | 21:23 |
| fenn | is it a talking head? | 21:24 |
| kanzure | with screenshots.. | 21:24 |
| kanzure | screencast | 21:24 |
| kanzure | um, so it seems to be an in-your-browser schematic editor | 21:24 |
| kanzure | and their web ui is clearly a rip off from github/bitbucket, but i see no indication that actual repositories are created | 21:24 |
| kanzure | http://upverter.com/kanzure/ | 21:24 |
| fenn | (bitbucket is a ripoff of github, fwiw) | 21:25 |
| kanzure | yeah yeah | 21:25 |
| kanzure | geeze why do they have so many people just for this | 21:25 |
| kanzure | http://upverter.com/theteam/ | 21:25 |
| kanzure | this is a one or two man job at most.. | 21:25 |
| kanzure | fenn did you weazle yourself into ephemerisle 2011 or was this one of the non-legit years? | 21:30 |
| alystair | upverter looks exactly like github? :| | 21:33 |
| kanzure | nchaimov: have you met jrayhawk in person yet | 21:39 |
| kanzure | alystair: is that a statement or a question? | 21:39 |
| alystair | statement meant to confuse people | 21:40 |
| kanzure | it seems quite similar to me | 21:40 |
| alystair | because I'm bothersome | 21:40 |
| alystair | Nokia sending me an E6 to try out for 2 weeks \o/ hooray hardware | 21:40 |
| kanzure | gonna bust it up? | 21:41 |
| kanzure | oh god one of the links on HN was to bgoertzel's blog | 21:44 |
| kanzure | he's the last person i'd consider an expert on this topic ("is software improving exponentially") | 21:44 |
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| alystair | software is becoming more bloated exponentially to keep computers all slow :D | 21:54 |
| nsh_ | computers aren't getting faster, just more dense | 22:00 |
| kanzure | computers aren't getting faster, people are just getting slower! | 22:04 |
| alystair | nsh_: people too, are getting more dense | 22:05 |
| fenn | i didn't go to not-ephemerisle this year | 22:06 |
| kanzure | i'm a little confused by the naming | 22:07 |
| fenn | it's natural | 22:08 |
| fenn | i think they should just change the name to "drowning man" | 22:08 |
| kanzure | at the end everyone drowns and dies? | 22:08 |
| fenn | software development started slowing down significantly in the late 1980's | 22:11 |
| fenn | since smalltalk it's been pretty much more of the same | 22:11 |
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| kanzure | "There is also a booming trade in trafficking of women for prostitution out of Vietnam and a growing practice of child marriage in China, where wealthier families secure wives for their sons early by effectively buying young girls for their sons." | 23:19 |
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| fenn | did you not know this? | 23:33 |
| fenn | trevor says as a white male it's impossible to walk down the street in vietnam without being accosted by prostitutes every block | 23:34 |
| fenn | also standard practice in india and most of the arab world | 23:36 |
| fenn | er, the arranged marriages that is | 23:36 |
| foucist | there's a bit of a shortage of women in china | 23:37 |
| foucist | so i guess it makes sense for families to secure women for their sons | 23:38 |
| jrayhawk | bride price predates gender inequality. | 23:38 |
| jrayhawk | err, gender imbalance | 23:38 |
| foucist | sure, but the sentence above said "growing practice " | 23:39 |
| jrayhawk | It's not growing. What's growing is the Chinese professional middle class that views it as anachronistic. | 23:39 |
| Fiohnel | http://www.economist.com/node/15636231 | 23:39 |
| foucist | jrayhawk: dude, i'm going by the fricking sentence.. | 23:39 |
| jrayhawk | It might be growing in terms of raw numbers, but not by percentage of marriages. | 23:40 |
| foucist | and the only reason it would be growing now is the gender imbalance | 23:40 |
| foucist | but since the 1 child policy was abolished | 23:40 |
| foucist | it shouldn't grow for long | 23:40 |
| Fiohnel | it will slow down, but slowly, since the unmarried older generation will just predate on the new generation females | 23:41 |
| Fiohnel | http://www.economist.com/node/15606229 | 23:43 |
| foucist | s/predate/prey/ | 23:43 |
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| Fiohnel | prey on could work as well | 23:44 |
| foucist | Fiohnel: predate has a diff meaning (i.e. dinosaurs predate mankind) | 23:47 |
| foucist | and that's not prey, thats pre-date | 23:47 |
| Fiohnel | well okay my dictionary is wrong | 23:48 |
| foucist | hrm | 23:48 |
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