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| Utopiah | nshhhhhhh: even if there are tons of money and researcher working on intractable problems and completly failing at it, if the tools or process they create to progress are useful to others they maybe it's not such a waste | 02:33 |
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| CryptoQuick | well, say what you want about Google's social networking endeavors, you gotta give 'em props for effort | 02:56 |
| CryptoQuick | besides, Google+ looks pretty compelling | 02:56 |
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| nshhhhhhh | Utopiah, good point | 05:06 |
| kanzure | gah they are making an anders movie | 05:21 |
| kanzure | http://www.transhumandoc.com/news/nieuwsitem/artikel/transhuman-premiere-great-success/ | 05:21 |
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| Utopiah | IMHO pretty fucked-up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDqIVzCRAr8 | 05:38 |
| Pabreetzio | wow. Those people must have been really bored to have created that | 05:43 |
| Pabreetzio | either that or just really sad. Really really sad | 05:43 |
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| kanzure | so the fbi has invited me to a workshop on diybio | 05:58 |
| kanzure | and wants to know what i've been working on | 05:58 |
| kanzure | so, what's the best troll presentation you can think of? | 05:58 |
| kanzure | "Directed evolution of molecular pathogens" might be interesting | 05:59 |
| Juul | kanzure, yeah? they were passing around a notepad to put your name for that workshop at the DIYbio congress in SF | 05:59 |
| kanzure | yeah i figured | 05:59 |
| Juul | "how i learned to stop worrying and love E. coli" | 06:01 |
| kanzure | "On the release of biological agents into city water supplies" | 06:05 |
| kanzure | i think it would be important to be subtle | 06:05 |
| kanzure | "Directed evolution of harmful molecular agents in emulsion droplets consisting of beads of sweat on the human skin" | 06:07 |
| Juul | "scientific workshops as a delivery mechanism for genetically engineered pathogens" | 06:11 |
| kanzure | oh that's perfect! | 06:12 |
| kanzure | i'll show up with a 3d printed model of the influenza virus | 06:15 |
| Juul | great! | 06:15 |
| Juul | use viruses as the printing material | 06:16 |
| kanzure | "You know, I've always enjoyed the perfection of the influenza capsid. Its structure is most beautiful. And it's a very deadly virus." and then go into the presentation | 06:16 |
| kanzure | i wonder if that's too obvious.. hrm | 06:16 |
| Juul | hehe | 06:16 |
| kanzure | How to be creepy 101 | 06:16 |
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| kanzure | oh god | 06:40 |
| kanzure | michael andregg is one of those people that uses colored fonts in his email | 06:40 |
| kanzure | these people always go to a special kind of hell.. | 06:40 |
| nshhhhhhh | yup | 06:42 |
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| fenn | glViewport(0, 0, self.width, self.height) <- doesnt look like 2000x2000 to me | 07:43 |
| kanzure | fuuuu | 07:43 |
| kanzure | scroll down to glOrtho | 07:44 |
| kanzure | try using this line: | 07:44 |
| kanzure | glOrtho(-10, 10, -10, 10, zNear, zFar) | 07:44 |
| fenn | "cancer is not a curable disease" what? there are many cancers that are easily treatable with high success rate, and they don't come back | 07:45 |
| fenn | if you mean "cancer" is poorly defined, then sure | 07:45 |
| kanzure | the 'disease' of cancer itself has so far not been cured | 07:45 |
| kanzure | i.e. you can't get vaccinated | 07:45 |
| kanzure | maybe he meant that? | 07:46 |
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| fenn | still not round | 07:52 |
| kanzure | http://torrentfreak.com/paramount-cease-and-desist-targets-3d-printer-pirate-110628/ | 07:54 |
| kanzure | um | 07:55 |
| kanzure | chapter 12 never really mentione dthis | 07:57 |
| kanzure | http://glprogramming.com/red/chapter12.html | 07:57 |
| kanzure | molehill.c looked correct? | 07:57 |
| fenn | yes | 07:57 |
| fenn | heh apparently SSRI's are only effective in 20% of cases of clinical depression | 08:00 |
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| kanzure | when you changed glOrtho was it still not round in the same way it wasn't round before | 08:05 |
| fenn | yes | 08:10 |
| kanzure | still seems like sampling to me | 08:11 |
| augur | kanzure: wow, its starting | 08:11 |
| kanzure | do you remember what sampling values you tried? | 08:11 |
| kanzure | 0.0001, 0.1, 1, 10, 100 would be good starts | 08:11 |
| Utopiah | is it legal to put PDFs on your website only allowed to crawlers e.g. GoogleBot so that it indexes everything you've read but without risking copyright infringement notifications? | 08:13 |
| kanzure | illegal to who | 08:13 |
| Utopiah | publishers of the PDFs | 08:14 |
| fenn | publishers own the copyright already | 08:15 |
| fenn | oh it doesnt like sampling 0.01 | 08:16 |
| kanzure | slow? | 08:16 |
| fenn | invalid value on call list 3 | 08:16 |
| fenn | err = 1281 | 08:16 |
| kanzure | these errors are awful | 08:17 |
| kanzure | "Most likely your integrated card doesn't support non-power-of-two(NPOT) sized textures, so make the texture size power of two " | 08:17 |
| kanzure | on the call to gluNurbsCurve does it say GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3 or GL_MAP1_VERTEX_4 | 08:20 |
| fenn | haha "Anissimov must be a made up name…" | 08:21 |
| kanzure | i greatly prefer darkvegeta26 | 08:21 |
| fenn | 4 | 08:21 |
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| fenn | the "but AI won't have any hands" argument is fucking retarded | 08:22 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2011-06-29-lolcad-GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3.png | 08:23 |
| fenn | anyone with any experience in manufacturing knows there are armies of chinese lined up ready to build literally anything the moment they get an email and an electronic money order | 08:23 |
| kanzure | does my screenshot look like your noncircle? | 08:23 |
| fenn | yes | 08:23 |
| kanzure | what happens when you switch to GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3 | 08:23 |
| fenn | if i changed it to 3 it looks the same | 08:24 |
| kanzure | uhuh | 08:24 |
| augur | o_O | 08:24 |
| kanzure | wait, i thought you weren't using call lists | 08:27 |
| kanzure | can you share your current script | 08:28 |
| fenn | it's the same as what you have on github, besides the sampling tolerance and commenting #gluNurbsSurface | 08:32 |
| kanzure | O_____O | 08:33 |
| kanzure | whatt | 08:33 |
| kanzure | what happened to visualizer-debug002.py or whatever | 08:33 |
| kanzure | second, if you have commented out gluNurbsSurface, how are you seeing /anything/ much less a deformed circle? | 08:33 |
| fenn | yeah it only shows the circle, the square, and the cube | 08:34 |
| kanzure | so gluNurbsSurface is called for the circle? | 08:34 |
| fenn | no | 08:35 |
| kanzure | what | 08:36 |
| fenn | i commented that out | 08:36 |
| kanzure | so both gluNurbsSurface calls are commented out | 08:36 |
| fenn | the nurbs surface is the cylinder | 08:36 |
| fenn | the nurbs curve is the circle | 08:36 |
| kanzure | doh | 08:36 |
| kanzure | so you have not commented out the gluNurbsCurve line | 08:36 |
| Pabreetzio | oh speaking of chinese | 08:36 |
| fenn | gluNurbsCurve(nurb2, crv.knots, Numeric.transpose(crv.control_points), GL_MAP1_VERTEX_4) | 08:37 |
| Pabreetzio | a guy from our hackerspace is building a piano/keyboard with an alternate layout, and to build it he needed custom pcb boards | 08:37 |
| Pabreetzio | he got a quote and in the US it was 360 for 5 | 08:37 |
| kanzure | and in china it was $5 for 360? | 08:37 |
| Pabreetzio | sent the schematics to china and got something like 10 for $20 | 08:37 |
| fenn | to phoenix pcb? | 08:38 |
| Pabreetzio | yeah | 08:38 |
| fenn | yeah they are slow, but if you are cheap that's better than nothing i guess | 08:38 |
| fenn | i'd just make it myself unless doing large qty | 08:38 |
| fenn | haha "the people who run this planet now already exhibit such a potent mix of stupidity and maliciousness that AGI couldn’t be much worse." | 08:39 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://runten.tripod.com/NURBS/Nurbs-0.1.zip | 08:41 |
| kanzure | try running GLCrv.py in there | 08:41 |
| Pabreetzio | he had done some prototypes himself, i guess it was too slow going though. had an 8th of the keyboard complete. definitely easier to get the chinese to make it | 09:02 |
| fenn | sure if it is modular by all means mass manufacture | 09:02 |
| fenn | kanzure: compilation notes plz | 09:05 |
| kanzure | what? | 09:05 |
| kanzure | it's just python | 09:06 |
| fenn | it relies on _Bas which has some stuff in it which is complaining | 09:06 |
| kanzure | nah just ignore that | 09:07 |
| fenn | uh. | 09:07 |
| kanzure | take GLCrv.py out of Nurbs-0.1/Nurbs/demos/GLCrv.py and put it in Nurbs-0.1/ | 09:07 |
| fenn | how | 09:07 |
| kanzure | oh maybe i commented out the _Bas shit | 09:08 |
| kanzure | one sec lemme upload | 09:08 |
| fenn | ok got it | 09:09 |
| fenn | looks like a backwards S | 09:09 |
| kanzure | crap now i need to figure out if i modified GLCrv.py | 09:10 |
| fenn | well that should be easy | 09:10 |
| kanzure | ok it also looks like a backwards s for me | 09:10 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/lolcad/GLCrv.py try this version | 09:11 |
| fenn | looks like a circle | 09:11 |
| kanzure | this is using glOrtho(-10., 20., -10. / aspect, 20. / aspect, -25., 25.) | 09:12 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/glcrv.png | 09:12 |
| fenn | i dont see why your viewport setings would turn a circle into a square | 09:13 |
| kanzure | huh GLCrv.py doesn't set anything for the sampling.. try commenting it out in visualizer.py | 09:13 |
| fenn | nope | 09:14 |
| fenn | still pointy | 09:14 |
| kanzure | uhm | 09:16 |
| kanzure | well. | 09:16 |
| kanzure | maybe in visualizer.py gluNewNurbsRenderer() has to be called outside of glNewList/glEndList and before glMatrixMode(GL_MODELVIEW) | 09:17 |
| fenn | nope | 09:23 |
| fenn | http://pastie.org/2140542 | 09:24 |
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| fenn | that's what i tried | 09:24 |
| kanzure | works for me | 09:25 |
| kanzure | GLCrv.py uses glut, and visualizer.py uses wxpython | 09:25 |
| kanzure | this is the main difference i can think of | 09:26 |
| fenn | you reproduced the error with GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3 | 09:28 |
| fenn | what does that do differently? | 09:28 |
| kanzure | GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3 is xyz vertex coords, GL_MAP1_VERTEX_4 is xyzw | 09:29 |
| kanzure | oh i suppose you should try GL_MAP2_VERTEX_3 and GL_MAP2_VERTEX_4 | 09:30 |
| kanzure | "The last parameter, type, is one of the two-dimensional evaluator types. Commonly, you might use GL_MAP2_VERTEX_3 for nonrational or GL_MAP2_VERTEX_4 for rational control points, respectively." | 09:31 |
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| kanzure | ah that's right.. i used GL_MAP2_VERTEX_4 on gluNurbsSurface | 09:32 |
| kanzure | (it won't work on gluNurbsCurve obv.) | 09:33 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure if my reproduction of your problems is causally related | 09:35 |
| fenn | hm. the IU alumni association is giving me shit over posting an informal dorm phone book from years ago | 09:47 |
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| kanzure | hi Dustbin | 10:05 |
| Dustbin | hey | 10:06 |
| Dustbin | how are things in here | 10:06 |
| lumos | uniqanomaly, hi | 10:17 |
| lumos | uniqanomaly, i need to hire a maid in poland but i dont know where to ask | 10:17 |
| lumos | uniqanomaly, can you tell me where | 10:17 |
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| kanzure | killing patents with python | 10:47 |
| kanzure | http://topsy.com/pycon.blip.tv/file/4879824/?allow_lang=en | 10:47 |
| kanzure | http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/pycon-2011-how-to-kill-a-patent-with-python-4897800 | 10:47 |
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| kanzure | fpga hardware project distribution/formatting | 12:57 |
| kanzure | https://www.boldport.com/docs/fpgaproj/ | 12:57 |
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| Hplus | Huh. | 13:16 |
| kanzure | hello Hplus | 13:16 |
| Hplus | Helo | 13:16 |
| Hplus | So, I just kinda jumped on through CCM's link on /sci/, what's this all about? | 13:18 |
| kanzure | ccm? | 13:18 |
| Hplus | apparently he's Eudoxia here? | 13:18 |
| kanzure | well we focus on human enhancement, open source hardware, nootropics, do-it-yourself biology, neurophysiology/brains, and global world domination | 13:19 |
| Hplus | My people. I am finally home. | 13:19 |
| Hplus | PS. Dibs on Canada. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | Hplus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red | 13:21 |
| Hplus | ... Fuck. | 13:22 |
| Hplus | I really need to spend more time on Wikipedia. | 13:22 |
| Hplus | So, is everyone else just lurking then? | 13:26 |
| kanzure | "but diybio.org, in my opinion, is taking a pretty conservative - and hence defensible - stance w/r/t personal freedoms to do genetic engineering" | 13:30 |
| kanzure | bleh mac should stop writing ethical codes for diybio.org in private | 13:30 |
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| Hplus | I really need to build a reprap. | 14:01 |
| kanzure | yep | 14:04 |
| archels | Then what are you going to do with it? | 14:06 |
| archels | Build a router instead. | 14:06 |
| Dustbin | after having messed with additive and subtractive cnc I agree with archels | 14:07 |
| kanzure | build a 7-story-tall, 5-axis cnc demolisher | 14:07 |
| Dustbin | hah | 14:07 |
| Hplus | I was thinking of using it to make minatures for a tabletop wargame. | 14:08 |
| Dustbin | ok you might have the one good use for current 3d printers then | 14:08 |
| ybit | ooh ooh, make a tabletop game like eclipse phase :D | 14:08 |
| Hplus | Heh | 14:08 |
| Hplus | Also it would be nice to have some experience designing stuff before we get to the "designer organs" stage. | 14:09 |
| kanzure | we sort of already have that | 14:10 |
| kanzure | you should just jump straight into organs | 14:10 |
| Hplus | Sort of, yes. But not exactly. | 14:10 |
| kanzure | well, you should anyway | 14:10 |
| ybit | is there a name for the concave shape entrapped between three circles, e.g. the space between ford circles | 14:10 |
| Hplus | Venn diagram? | 14:10 |
| ybit | no | 14:11 |
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| Hplus | But yeah, in terms of career I'm more interested in politics. You make the advancements, I'll make sure they get implemented. | 14:12 |
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| Dustbin | ybit: when I google concave triangle it brings up the idea, but I don't see a real name for it | 14:13 |
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| ybit | Hplus: gl | 14:14 |
| Hplus | Thanks, that's what I generally get. It'd be nice to have a scientifically literate leader of a major country. | 14:15 |
| ybit | go to india then :) | 14:15 |
| Hplus | Hah. That and China. | 14:16 |
| ybit | i dunno so much about china | 14:16 |
| Hplus | 80% of their politicians have engineering and science degrees | 14:16 |
| ybit | if you like pokemon, this is your channel | 14:17 |
| Hplus | ... Ok. | 14:17 |
| ybit | wild engineers appear all the time, kanzure collects them | 14:17 |
| Hplus | So what's your opinion on the proper EV spread for an Engineer? 252 SP Attack or what? | 14:17 |
| kanzure | heyyy what the heck | 14:18 |
| kanzure | thiel is funding diybio | 14:18 |
| kanzure | $2M | 14:18 |
| kanzure | $50k-$250k increments | 14:18 |
| ybit | o.O | 14:19 |
| Hplus | Theil? | 14:20 |
| ybit | peter theil | 14:20 |
| kanzure | peter thiel | 14:20 |
| kanzure | peter theil is a different person | 14:20 |
| Hplus | Ah | 14:20 |
| * ybit fetches food and coffee | 14:21 | |
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| kanzure | my graphs are back online | 14:54 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/2009-10-01_to_2010-03-01.png | 14:54 |
| kanzure | and per person as of feb 2010 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/graphs/ | 14:55 |
| Hplus | What is that, exactly? | 14:57 |
| kanzure | Hplus: analysis of http://diyhpl.us/cgit/meetlog/plain/meetlog.txt | 14:57 |
| archels | kanzure, I do not seem to be in your graphs. :( | 14:58 |
| kanzure | archels: i didn't know you in 2010 | 14:58 |
| kanzure | this is an old data set, i haven't run the graph script in a year | 14:58 |
| archels | ah, I don't recall when we first chatted, I thought it might've been that long. | 14:59 |
| kanzure | 2010-09-13 | 14:59 |
| kanzure | these graphs are from 2010-02-xx | 14:59 |
| archels | fair enough. | 15:00 |
| archels | Good thing you have your logs to check these things! | 15:01 |
| Hplus | Wow, do you keep logs of everything? | 15:01 |
| Hplus | That's rather impressive. | 15:02 |
| archels | Not to mention scary! | 15:06 |
| kanzure | "creative release" | 15:06 |
| Hplus | I keep logs of all my messenger and Skype convos, it's just more convienient some times. | 15:06 |
| kanzure | yeah i have chat logs back to 2004.. i wish i had kept 2001-2004 :( | 15:07 |
| Hplus | I've lost links to things I'd shared and recovered them that way before. | 15:07 |
| kanzure | Hplus: you have other reasons to be fearful | 15:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile?username=kanzure | 15:11 |
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| Hplus | Sheesh. I'm lucky to break 80 WPM on a good day. | 15:12 |
| Hplus | And I type a lot. | 15:12 |
| Hplus | I'm just starting on a training regimen to attempt to finally gain some muscle. I got a copy of "4-hour body" online, and have been noticing some energy and health increases just from some basic changes, like eating a high-protien breakfast. | 15:13 |
| augur | oi peeps, anyone remember the KurzweilAI.net Brain? | 15:19 |
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| kanzure | augur: didn't we scrape that for you? | 15:20 |
| kanzure | or did you scrape it and we did.. something | 15:20 |
| kanzure | complain? i think we complained | 15:20 |
| augur | haha | 15:21 |
| augur | i scraped it, yes :p | 15:21 |
| augur | well, sort of scraped | 15:21 |
| augur | i just remembered i have it, so if anyones interested in browsing it (less operable now than previously): http://www.wellnowwhat.net/brain_archive/ | 15:21 |
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| kanzure | hi yottabit | 15:22 |
| yottabit | hola | 15:22 |
| kanzure | .. ybit? | 15:22 |
| yottabit | yar | 15:22 |
| kanzure | i always thought it was yodabit | 15:22 |
| yottabit | :D | 15:23 |
| kanzure | a yoduh byte of data | 15:23 |
| augur | mistaken about his name you were | 15:23 |
| Hplus | Yees. | 15:23 |
| Hplus | Judge him by his name, do you? | 15:23 |
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| Hplus | Why are people so stupid? | 15:39 |
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| augur | Hplus: `people' | 15:42 |
| Hplus | Welp, when asked "Which would be wors,e a meteor impact on land or sea?" | 15:42 |
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| Hplus | And the response is "Water, since meteors are mostly ice, it'd freeze a bunch of water around it and change the climate/kill many animals." and "Meteors are extremely cold; Since they come from outer space, they're almost at 0 Kelvin. That + Water = Ice. Changes the currents, kills animals, etc." | 15:43 |
| Hplus | It makes me pray that said person is trolling. Because I lose some of my faith in humanity when I read that. | 15:43 |
| augur | well, at least theyre reasoning about it | 15:44 |
| augur | i mean, the details of that issue are not trivial | 15:44 |
| Hplus | No, absolutely not. | 15:44 |
| Hplus | But still. They must have at some point watched something on TV that showed a meteor or similar, coming in basically on fire. | 15:45 |
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| ybit | and thus begins unpredictable times on the interwebs | 16:25 |
| kanzure | blah i can't figure out if paul's latest over-unity post to om is off topic or not | 16:41 |
| kanzure | (he's on moderation now) | 16:41 |
| augur | Hplus: well, but many meteorites are actually freezing cold when they land | 17:09 |
| augur | the small ones, anyway | 17:09 |
| Hplus | Internally, yeah, I could see that. But anyway, it was sort of a stupid rant. Just a bit of a pet peeve of mine. | 17:11 |
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| kanzure | hi eudoxia | 19:22 |
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| kanzure | i demand you to entertain me | 23:25 |
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