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| * fenn blinks | 01:45 | |
| fenn | the difference is volume, precision, and cross contamination | 01:45 |
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| fenn | pipetbot is like 2-10 nl with 1 nl precision, disposable tips, 96 well plates | 01:46 |
| fenn | i didn't actually see delinquentme's thing running *ahem cough cough* so i don't know really how it works | 01:46 |
| fenn | but it looked like it was designed for 1-25 ml volumes | 01:47 |
| fenn | btw who the hell is alex kiselev | 01:48 |
| fenn | department of math, UW, so what | 01:48 |
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| fenn | i always wanted a cheap simple pipetting robot as an undergrad lab slave | 01:49 |
| fenn | i would be doing some good for the world by making it a reality, and lots of people need it (more than cheap pcr machines even) | 01:49 |
| fenn | QuantumG: the above rambling about pipetbot was in response to kanzure's comment about thiel funding diybio startup-or-something projects | 01:50 |
| fenn | foucist: does your name refer to foucault? | 01:51 |
| fenn | (defun control (x) (control x)) | 01:54 |
| fenn | smoke and mirrors can still make a doorway to infinity | 01:54 |
| fenn | 30 people in here and you're all asleep? | 01:56 |
| fenn | well, CIA-18 gnusha and nsh are bots | 01:57 |
| foucist | fenn: nope | 02:00 |
| foucist | based off the acronym FOUC (flash of unstyled content) | 02:00 |
| foucist | but double meaning.. like mentalist | 02:00 |
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| kanzure | fenn: alex is Tyrant (in here) | 05:10 |
| kanzure | i messed up and my cookie expired while scraping quartzy | 05:27 |
| kanzure | :( | 05:27 |
| kanzure | up to file 368356 | 05:28 |
| streety | what's quartzy? | 05:29 |
| kanzure | some lab inventory management site thingy | 05:31 |
| kanzure | i'm scraping their inventory database | 05:31 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/quartzy/ | 05:31 |
| kanzure | do not load "files2/" on your own :) 168k files | 05:31 |
| kanzure | oops 260k files | 05:32 |
| streety | sounds intersting | 05:33 |
| * streety fights the temptation to click through to files2 | 05:33 | |
| kanzure | fight it! fight! | 05:34 |
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| kanzure | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cathalgarvey/Books/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Biotechnology | 06:28 |
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| kanzure | bleh that's taking way too long to generate | 06:33 |
| kanzure | why didn't cathal just link to a pdf | 06:33 |
| kanzure | "Render server error" well fuck this :( | 06:52 |
| streety | a book feels like a step backwards from hypertext | 06:55 |
| kanzure | it is! | 06:55 |
| streety | unless the end product is actually a physical book | 06:55 |
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| kanzure | even that is a step backwards | 06:55 |
| streety | true, but I don't see how it can be avoided in that medium | 06:56 |
| kanzure | through anger, violence and force of will? | 06:57 |
| kanzure | peaceful protest? | 06:58 |
| streety | currently at 65% on the book rendering | 06:59 |
| kanzure | this is dumb.. there's probably more than just 2 of us trying to render it at the moment | 06:59 |
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| streety | you'd assume they have some system to avoid the same book being rendered multiple times | 07:00 |
| kanzure | i think it's because they want to get all of the latest versions together | 07:02 |
| kanzure | but, not everything needs to be re-rendered, i imagine | 07:02 |
| streety | still you can encode a version reference for each page in the identifier and invalidate the cache any time a doc changes | 07:03 |
| kanzure | streety: are you going to be in nyc this week | 07:05 |
| streety | unlikely, is something special happening? | 07:05 |
| kanzure | fbi/diybio workshop thinger | 07:06 |
| streety | rendering the book failed | 07:10 |
| streety | is the nyc thing to code of conduct meeting that was discussed a while ago or is it something different? | 07:12 |
| kanzure | something different | 07:12 |
| kanzure | "code of conduct" stuff is too secretive | 07:13 |
| kanzure | those guys really need to stop being secretive about that | 07:13 |
| kanzure | "it's so sekr1t we can only talk about it in person" | 07:13 |
| streety | Yeah, I remember the European meeting being a couple months ago but heard nothing fed back to the community at large. | 07:15 |
| streety | Checking the site the US one has apparently also been and gone | 07:16 |
| kanzure | yep | 07:16 |
| kanzure | i've been trying to keep mac in line about these sorts of things | 07:16 |
| kanzure | like, i've told him that it's not right for him to keep things like this secretive or not in the community over the years | 07:16 |
| kanzure | he just shrugs it off.. | 07:17 |
| streety | the danger is that the community will also just shrug it off and ignore whatever results. Even if much of it would be a good thing. | 07:19 |
| streety | We do need some sort of framework to work with (it was good to see Cathal get approval for instance) but it's no use if it only works for a couple of hackerspaces | 07:20 |
| kanzure | i'm not so sure.. back in 2008/2009 a lot of the discussion would quickly devolve | 07:20 |
| kanzure | like into suggestions for a moratorium and other BS | 07:20 |
| streety | not so good. I really don't see how that can even work when you have an international community only loosely attached to "diybio" | 07:21 |
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| kanzure | just talked with the fbi | 07:35 |
| kanzure | they want me to talk more about my involvement in transhumanism | 07:35 |
| streety | is there a link with more info on this event? Size/scope/purpose etc? | 07:43 |
| kanzure | it's like last year's diybio/fbi workshop i guess (i didn't go) | 07:44 |
| kanzure | day 1 is hanging out at fbi nyc hq | 07:44 |
| kanzure | day 2 is hanging out at genspace | 07:44 |
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| streety | certainly sounds interesting | 07:47 |
| kanzure | mpictor is probably someone worth talking with.. | 07:57 |
| kanzure | he seems to have made some commits to heekscad.git | 07:57 |
| kanzure | plus he's trying to use the step class library (some of his emails are on om) | 07:57 |
| fenn | i have never seen this "tyrant" | 07:59 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/tyrant.log | 08:00 |
| fenn | is he an "espian"? (god i hate that name) | 08:01 |
| fenn | this must be a person you talk to regularly on the phone | 08:02 |
| fenn | he sounds knowledgeable in praxis for a maths professor | 08:03 |
| kanzure | no he's not an espian | 08:03 |
| kanzure | i haven't talked with tyrant on the phone ever | 08:03 |
| kanzure | he isn't a math professor | 08:03 |
| fenn | right, i just figured that out :P | 08:04 |
| kanzure | he's just someone from socal-diybio that joseph started to sponsor for 20under20 | 08:04 |
| kanzure | i knew of him from his random posts about their dna sequencer troubles | 08:04 |
| fenn | is joseph (jackson?) involved with the thiel foundation? | 08:05 |
| kanzure | yes | 08:05 |
| kanzure | he's been weasling his way in | 08:05 |
| kanzure | looks like it worked for 20under20 but alex didn't keep joseph in the loop or something | 08:05 |
| kanzure | and now he's got them doing this diybio grants thingy | 08:05 |
| fenn | teh lulz. :\ | 08:05 |
| kanzure | so the fbi wants me to talk about diyhplus stuff | 08:06 |
| fenn | "Mister Bishop, please write a 30 page summary of the current state of government destroying technologies available to the american public." | 08:07 |
| fenn | "kthxbye" | 08:07 |
| fenn | but seriously, what? | 08:08 |
| kanzure | "okay but i won't give you the pgp key to read it" | 08:08 |
| kanzure | well i'm leaving tomorrow for nyc, so i called them up asking them what they want me to present on | 08:08 |
| fenn | joseph says you might be coming to cali again? | 08:08 |
| kanzure | he keeps trying to get me to come out | 08:08 |
| * fenn just watched "the social network" | 08:09 | |
| fenn | it's kinda true | 08:09 |
| kanzure | honestly for all the time he's spent in the bay what has he got done? | 08:11 |
| kanzure | getting raped by eri? yeah that's appealing.. | 08:12 |
| fenn | well, chatting with billionaires seems like a decent start | 08:12 |
| kanzure | i don't see why | 08:13 |
| fenn | you don't believe in hard AI takeoff either | 08:14 |
| fenn | low probability high +/- delta events, man | 08:14 |
| fenn | a couple million is nothing to these people | 08:14 |
| kanzure | peter has never given a couple million except to companies | 08:15 |
| fenn | i know, he's a tight ass | 08:15 |
| fenn | he's also not the only guy with money in the bay area | 08:15 |
| kanzure | mooching just doesn't seem like a viable strategy :( | 08:16 |
| fenn | well, i don't know what joseph's strategy is. maybe you should ask him. | 08:16 |
| fenn | he seems kind of depressed actually | 08:16 |
| kanzure | "be entrenched and hope it pays off knowing all these people" | 08:16 |
| kanzure | dave might be coming with me to halcyon, so if you want to join us that will be fun | 08:17 |
| fenn | you... halcyon, what? | 08:18 |
| fenn | for a tour? | 08:18 |
| fenn | i should probably respond to their job solicitation | 08:18 |
| kanzure | oh they want to attempt to hire me | 08:18 |
| kanzure | so i figure i'll at least tour their facilities | 08:18 |
| fenn | i wonder if i should polish my resume or just walk in and swing my dick around | 08:19 |
| kanzure | you have to sign an nda before dick swinging :/ | 08:19 |
| fenn | so be it | 08:19 |
| fenn | i bet it's just to cover up how embarrassingly behind they are | 08:19 |
| kanzure | i'll be there on the 20th | 08:19 |
| kanzure | probably | 08:20 |
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| kanzure | i'm not really sure what they are thinking at this point | 08:20 |
| kanzure | they are 1 of 30 companies doing next-gen sequencing | 08:20 |
| fenn | not that many | 08:20 |
| fenn | more like 8 | 08:20 |
| kanzure | and they claim that their real mission is longevity/rejuvenation | 08:20 |
| kanzure | i have a list somewhere | 08:20 |
| fenn | pacific biosciences and ion torrent are the only ones remotely interesting | 08:21 |
| kanzure | there's about three or four nanopore companies | 08:21 |
| kanzure | i'm just talking about VC monies | 08:21 |
| fenn | eh? | 08:21 |
| kanzure | clearly only a handful will have a product ever | 08:21 |
| fenn | pacific bio is just fiddling around with camera stuff now i think | 08:22 |
| fenn | um, did i mention the drugs are working | 08:23 |
| kanzure | once | 08:23 |
| * fenn cackles madly | 08:23 | |
| kanzure | oh god | 08:23 |
| fenn | quick get the tesla coil | 08:24 |
| kanzure | but i don't have a tesla coil | 08:24 |
| fenn | and you call yourself a mad scientist | 08:24 |
| kanzure | i'm an angry scientist | 08:24 |
| fenn | quick get the cattle prod | 08:24 |
| fenn | i learned a disturbing fact the other day | 08:24 |
| fenn | i won't share it, nevermind | 08:24 |
| fenn | time for breakfast | 08:25 |
| fenn | i'm attempting to do the zone diet | 08:25 |
| fenn | need to write a food parser so i can automatically compute my carb/fat/protein ratio | 08:25 |
| fenn | i guess i'll never know if i actually had a candida infection | 08:27 |
| fenn | it's plausible that the cordyceps killed it | 08:27 |
| fenn | i no longer feel sugar cravings in any case | 08:27 |
| kanzure | i've written a tiny tool to help me decide what to eat | 08:28 |
| kanzure | by "help me decide" i mean "tell me" | 08:28 |
| kanzure | it turns out i like soups and nuts | 08:28 |
| fenn | okay. how does it work? | 08:29 |
| kanzure | food log (to mix things up a bit) and some amount of rand() | 08:30 |
| kanzure | very tiny | 08:30 |
| fenn | do you rate your enjoyment or something? | 08:30 |
| kanzure | not right now | 08:30 |
| kanzure | what i'd like to do is import austin restaurants and their hours | 08:30 |
| fenn | a neat thing to do is track how you feel an hour after eating | 08:31 |
| kanzure | so that i can eat out at 3am at someplace half decent | 08:31 |
| fenn | yeah i want that too | 08:31 |
| fenn | problem is nothing's open at 3 am anyway | 08:31 |
| fenn | in a city jam packed with nocturnal weirdos you'd expect at least a few | 08:32 |
| fenn | i go into noisebridge at 5 am on saturday and someone's doing a scrum sprint on their web startup | 08:33 |
| fenn | (by someone i mean 8 people) | 08:33 |
| fenn | it looked boring; i feel sorry for them | 08:33 |
| kanzure | i was surprised to see a list of six or eight people for upverter.com | 08:35 |
| kanzure | it's a two-man job | 08:35 |
| fenn | someone needs to set up a factory that makes just one honkin big pill with all your medicine and vitamins and stuff in it | 08:35 |
| fenn | ooo schematics wow~ *wank* | 08:35 |
| kanzure | yeah.. :/ | 08:36 |
| fenn | i was talking with a chip designer yesterday about automatic design tools | 08:36 |
| kanzure | verilog/vhdl stuff? | 08:36 |
| fenn | apparently they do everything in verilog and it gets back-compiled from the chip masks into a schematic | 08:36 |
| kanzure | yes | 08:36 |
| kanzure | it's pretty cool | 08:36 |
| fenn | the schematic includes parasitic capacitance and inductance etc | 08:37 |
| kanzure | i also like C++->ASIC shit | 08:37 |
| fenn | do you think tryptophan supplementation does anything? | 08:38 |
| kanzure | dunno | 08:38 |
| kanzure | sorry | 08:38 |
| * fenn takes a nap | 09:07 | |
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| kanzure | ahhhhh cern uses <marquee> | 10:30 |
| kanzure | wait did i spell that correctly | 10:43 |
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| kanzure | CERN drawing directory http://edms-service.web.cern.ch/edms-service/CDD/ | 10:57 |
| kanzure | edms logins don't seem to work | 10:57 |
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| kanzure | mac sez "lol. I'd like to know the thermocyclers he's referring to. Sub $500 thermocyclers only available in India?" | 11:14 |
| kanzure | does he seriously think these cost $500? | 11:14 |
| fenn | more context plz | 11:14 |
| kanzure | some random diybio thread about thermocyclers again | 11:16 |
| kanzure | aren't you napping | 11:16 |
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| fenn | couldn't sleep | 11:19 |
| fenn | i guess 4 hours is enough now | 11:19 |
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| kanzure | latest spam: "(No Subject)" "Urgent Partner Needed For Business" is this more sophisticated or less? i can't tell | 11:35 |
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| fenn | entertaining reading, compare to orion's arm on a smaller scale http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-series | 12:25 |
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| strages | what is this scp stuff? I've read all entries from 001-194 but I don't understand what it's all for or where it comes from | 12:32 |
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| fenn | it appears to be a resource for DIY futuristic role playing games | 12:38 |
| kanzure | thingiverse is hiring a web developer http://groups.google.com/group/thingiverse/t/1160371476522b45 | 12:47 |
| kanzure | i really really need someone i know to fill that job | 12:51 |
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| kanzure | like ybit maybe. | 12:53 |
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| fenn | the life extension foundation is giving money to humanity+? this just seems like an incestuous circle | 13:02 |
| fenn | what the hell is "mycozyme" | 13:03 |
| lumos | fenn, hahaha | 13:04 |
| kanzure | yes it is an incestous circle | 13:04 |
| lumos | fenn, my cozy me | 13:04 |
| fenn | it's some kind of digestive enzyme, possibly for degrading starches | 13:05 |
| fenn | but i can't seem to find any official ish info | 13:05 |
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| kanzure | life extension foundation gave humanity+ $15k to put an ad on hplusmagazine | 13:09 |
| kanzure | the ad got only 100-200 clicks over its entire lifetime (like.. one year) | 13:09 |
| kanzure | ads typically get 1% click through, so that's 2 impressions at $7.5k/impression | 13:09 |
| kanzure | their landing page probably doesn't convert more than 5% or something | 13:10 |
| kanzure | so they pay maybe $37,500/customer in marketing costs... which strikes me as bullshit | 13:10 |
| kanzure | oops s/impression/clicker | 13:11 |
| fenn | der what. i didnt see this yesterday when i was at there "We have a full-featured VR system with a | 13:11 |
| fenn | 15x15x8 foot tracking volume at the Hacker Dojo. The wearable system itself is based on an alienware laptop and an eMagin | 13:11 |
| fenn | z800 pro (stereoscopic)." | 13:11 |
| kanzure | it's hidden behind the metamaterial cloak maybe? | 13:12 |
| fenn | in the super secret basement safe room? | 13:12 |
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| fenn | ug, too much mail | 13:13 |
| fenn | i'm sure you would laugh | 13:13 |
| fenn | "only 7000 unread messages? ha, ha, ha." | 13:14 |
| kanzure | why are you involving yourself with humanityplus | 13:14 |
| fenn | i'm not, they just keep sending me mail | 13:15 |
| kanzure | story of my life | 13:15 |
| fenn | i don't even know how i got on the list | 13:15 |
| jrayhawk | expecting the value of banner ads to be in click-throughs and conversion rates is a good way of throwing money into a black hole | 13:15 |
| kanzure | iirc they all have inflated ideas of how much traffic their blog gets | 13:15 |
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| jrayhawk | the importance of almost all advertising is in the field of branding and awareness. | 13:16 |
| fenn | "if we just convince consumers that we make a quality product, we don't actually have to make a quality product' | 13:20 |
| jrayhawk | actually it's more 'if we convince consumers we exist and are important, we're already better off than 95 percent of our opposition' | 13:21 |
| kanzure | i was hanging out at a family bbq-hooray-we're-back-from-our-ridiculous-vacation and suddenly all of the kiddos started going on and on about how much apple identifies with them and their teenage angst | 13:21 |
| kanzure | then i went on a killing spree | 13:23 |
| jrayhawk | i am curious to hear their explanation for that | 13:25 |
| kanzure | i didn't say anything | 13:25 |
| kanzure | i just let it happen :( | 13:25 |
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| kanzure | heh weird intersection of china being interested in open source hardware | 13:52 |
| kanzure | http://richardfxopen.blogspot.com/2011/07/cern.html | 13:52 |
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| fenn | "thalanylzirconio-methyl-tetrahydro-triazatriphenylene" | 15:23 |
| kanzure | behold the glory http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/typespeed.score | 15:25 |
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| fenn | my forearms hurt just looking at that | 15:30 |
| fenn | centiseconds wtf kind of busted unit is that | 15:30 |
| kanzure | well that's my best guess | 15:32 |
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| kanzure | milliseconds definitely doesn't make sense for that | 15:32 |
| kanzure | had to look it up in file.c but unfortunately it's all hungarian notation (sorta) | 15:34 |
| kanzure | fstat tcount tfuckeveryonebutme | 15:34 |
| kanzure | oh centiseconds make sense if there's 10 redraws per second | 15:36 |
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| kanzure | fenn: check out those alibre emails i forwarded you | 16:14 |
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| QuantumG | I wonder when someone is going to get serious about making and storing antimatter | 16:39 |
| fenn | kanzure: okay. so what | 16:48 |
| fenn | why are you even getting those emails? | 16:48 |
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| kanzure | fenn: i thought they were hilarious :/ | 19:27 |
| kanzure | i get them because dave and i were going to pitch to the alibre peeps | 19:27 |
| kanzure | we should spend all of peter thiel's money on a diybio anime | 19:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51J3wKgaTkM shouldn't take me so long to find a freaking sub | 20:21 |
| kanzure | wow youtube has blocked "information high" | 20:27 |
| kanzure | glad i grabbed that | 20:27 |
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