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| kanzure | boop | 00:43 |
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| marainein | ? | 00:43 |
| kanzure | never disturb me when i am booping | 00:43 |
| marainein | my apologies | 00:44 |
| fenn | beep | 00:45 |
| kanzure | hi fenn | 00:50 |
| kanzure | i couldn't sleep so i figured i'd work on my presentation | 00:50 |
| kanzure | what am i presenting? | 00:50 |
| fenn | "directed evolution of pathogens in human sweat bead bioreactors", and "scientific workshops as disease delivery mechanism" | 00:52 |
| kanzure | nah they wanted me to babble about transhumanism | 00:52 |
| fenn | oh. what's that? | 00:52 |
| kanzure | for 10min.. so i figure motivations/goals/trends/projects should be enough | 00:52 |
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| kanzure | "Your average transhumanist is a balding, middle-aged wanker who had the prime of his life in the 80s or early 90s after experimenting with LSD and acids." | 00:53 |
| fenn | "i only take organic free range herbal acid | 00:54 |
| kanzure | i am going to tell them that the lack of competency in "the upper ranks of the so-called transhumanist communities" is "a biosecurity concern because of the lack of communication, understanding and awareness of practical transhumanism" | 00:56 |
| fenn | um. except it's not, because their incompetence simply ensures that nothing will happen | 00:59 |
| kanzure | their incompetence ensures that they are not aware of what's going on | 00:59 |
| kanzure | and having awareness (in their case) is insufficient | 01:00 |
| kanzure | this isn't too important | 01:02 |
| kanzure | ok i'll just call that "crippled by futorology" | 01:07 |
| Utopiah | http://xkcd.com/924/ on 3D printer | 01:39 |
| kanzure | yeah i don't really understand why people think that 3D printers have to be ubiquitous | 01:41 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybiofbi2011.pdf | 02:09 |
| kanzure | not bad for 4am | 02:09 |
| fenn | speaking of 3d printers, the production quality of this video (solar sinter) is amazingly good for a student project vimeo.com/25401444 | 02:09 |
| kanzure | fenn: you should look at it and tell me why i suck | 02:10 |
| * fenn looks | 02:10 | |
| fenn | are you still affiliated with h+? | 02:10 |
| kanzure | nope | 02:10 |
| fenn | humanity+ i mean | 02:10 |
| fenn | so their logo maybe isnt the best thing to put on the first slide | 02:10 |
| kanzure | i realize this is confusing since i have the logo there | 02:10 |
| fenn | so it may be best to frame things as "people will do these illegal things anyway, get used to it" rather than "i'm doing this and i'm here to poison the minds of your children" | 02:12 |
| kanzure | right | 02:12 |
| kanzure | that's prolly not evident by the slides but i do intend that | 02:12 |
| fenn | i have difficulty thinking like an FBI agent so i don't really know what they want to hear | 02:12 |
| kanzure | they want to hear about motivations and what sort of skills you probably have | 02:13 |
| fenn | maybe you should have a slide about yourself then | 02:13 |
| kanzure | ha ha no | 02:13 |
| * fenn shrugs | 02:14 | |
| kanzure | "Here we have a typical biohacker:" | 02:14 |
| fenn | also may wish to cover patient advocacy | 02:14 |
| kanzure | 'field guide to spotting molecular biologists' | 02:14 |
| kanzure | hrmm okay | 02:14 |
| fenn | orphan diseases etc | 02:14 |
| kanzure | ah right. i forgot these things are called 'orphan' diseases | 02:15 |
| fenn | FDA clinical trials process lets a lot of people die for lack of approval | 02:15 |
| fenn | or decades long approval process | 02:15 |
| kanzure | 1. read about some amazing cure from 15 years ago | 02:15 |
| kanzure | 2. look up the patent | 02:15 |
| kanzure | 3. cry because the VC money hasn't produced a drug yet | 02:15 |
| fenn | the fallout from these diy medical researchers might lead to some epic transhuman technology | 02:15 |
| kanzure | 4. do what the patent says anyway | 02:15 |
| fenn | did you read that book with the mind-erasing fractal basilisk, uh... | 02:17 |
| kanzure | basiwhat | 02:17 |
| fenn | main character falls into a pond in winter and half of his brain cells die. they use some sort of stem cell therapy to rejuvenate the dead parts of his brain, but he comes out of it smarterthan he was before | 02:18 |
| fenn | intrigued by the possibilities of this, he starts researching the mechanisms of the drug or therapy or whatever, and bootstraps his own intelligence | 02:18 |
| kanzure | zindell probably stole that and put it into neverness 'cept it was bio-nano-something fixing the brain | 02:18 |
| fenn | no this was pretty straightforward, you kill the existing brain and re-grow it better | 02:18 |
| kanzure | short story? | 02:19 |
| fenn | yeah | 02:19 |
| fenn | one moment | 02:19 |
| kanzure | "undrstand" by te chiang-something-or-other? | 02:19 |
| kanzure | *understand | 02:19 |
| kanzure | i'm gonna try me some more of that sleeps | 02:20 |
| fenn | hm. it's not "none so blind" but that's a good one too | 02:20 |
| fenn | can't find it. nevermind. | 02:21 |
| fenn | oh, yes, "understand" by ted chiang | 02:21 |
| fenn | why isnt that in my book list | 02:22 |
| fenn | i love how the doctors are all, "we've never one this before, but don't worry, you'll be fine." | 02:24 |
| fenn | this is sort of how i felt last week | 02:36 |
| fenn | last weekend. time seems to be going faster | 02:37 |
| kanzure | i wonder which part of the brain i need to melt to stop the time thingy | 02:42 |
| kanzure | also why is sunrise at 5am in nyc | 02:43 |
| fenn | hm? why would you want to do that | 02:43 |
| kanzure | what sort of black magic is this | 02:43 |
| kanzure | i want time to be slower, not faster | 02:43 |
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| fenn | eh, well its sort of hard to explain | 02:43 |
| fenn | on the one hand i seem to do a lot of stuff in any given hour | 02:43 |
| fenn | on the other hand i look up and the day's halfway over already and i havent had breakfast | 02:43 |
| kanzure | i thought that's normal? | 02:44 |
| fenn | no | 02:44 |
| kanzure | oorly | 02:44 |
| kanzure | steve hasn't had breakfast in like five years! | 02:44 |
| fenn | good for him | 02:44 |
| kanzure | :p but really, it happens to me all the time | 02:44 |
| fenn | i usually make a point to have breakfast within an hour of waking up | 02:44 |
| kanzure | speaking of which.. | 02:44 |
| fenn | today (yesterday actually) i had: half an apple, half a glass of apple juice, | 02:45 |
| fenn | yogurt and pine nuts | 02:45 |
| fenn | and two slices of pizza an hour ago | 02:46 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if this hotel serves cold pizza for breakfast | 02:52 |
| fenn | try the dumpster behind the pizza place :) | 02:57 |
| foucist | genius | 03:03 |
| foucist | fenn: you are a master dumpster diver! | 03:03 |
| foucist | lets build a rocket ship with your skills and my know how! | 03:03 |
| foucist | we'll colonize a NEA as the first step | 03:04 |
| foucist | then spin it for centripetal gravity | 03:04 |
| fenn | gravity is for landlubbers | 03:27 |
| fenn | but i agree | 03:27 |
| foucist | fenn: at least i'm avoiding the pure silliness of colonizing planets (gravity holes are lame!) | 03:34 |
| foucist | fenn: but we do need some gravity or some way of keeping our bodies from falling apart | 03:35 |
| foucist | unless we develop genetic engineering or other tech to deal with that | 03:35 |
| fenn | electric bone tissue stimulation should help with calcium loss/porosity | 03:48 |
| fenn | of course exercise is necessary but i'm not sure we need gravity for that | 03:48 |
| fenn | anyway you dont have to spin the whole damn asteroid | 03:48 |
| fenn | bernal had the right idea | 03:49 |
| fenn | 1929 holy fuck | 03:49 |
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| foucist | fenn: i was thinking train tracks around the asteroid could work | 09:33 |
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| fenn | foucist: you read that in red mars didnt you | 17:37 |
| fenn | kanzure: can you recommend a php crash course? (don't ask) | 17:37 |
| fenn | something along the lines of "dive into python" | 17:37 |
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| kanzure | fenn: surprisingly no | 18:44 |
| kanzure | php doesn't work like that | 18:44 |
| kanzure | so that was an interesting day | 18:46 |
| kanzure | nathan mccorkle is like charlie manion in person | 18:46 |
| kanzure | (genehacker) | 18:46 |
| kanzure | outer_space: are you perfetto | 18:46 |
| outer_space | is that 'perfect' in a romance language? | 18:47 |
| kanzure | no it's someone's name (josh perfetto) | 18:47 |
| outer_space | I wouldn't disagree | 18:47 |
| outer_space | no, josh jordan | 18:47 |
| kanzure | did i do something with your daughter | 18:47 |
| outer_space | did i do something to make a daughter? | 18:47 |
| outer_space | maybe.... | 18:47 |
| kanzure | hm then i probably don't know you | 18:49 |
| kanzure | what's up | 18:49 |
| outer_space | lol you got people hunting you or something? | 18:49 |
| outer_space | im in san antonio, i need some cnc work | 18:50 |
| kanzure | neat looking for anything in particular | 18:51 |
| outer_space | is your austin machine shop there yet? | 18:51 |
| kanzure | there's a few shops available | 18:51 |
| outer_space | yes, robot arms from the thingiverse design | 18:51 |
| kanzure | the omegle thing? | 18:51 |
| kanzure | er, omioron | 18:52 |
| outer_space | not for sale thru thingiverse for some reason | 18:52 |
| kanzure | er.. i forget the spelling | 18:52 |
| outer_space | but the design is for download | 18:52 |
| kanzure | is it the laser cut acrylic arm thing from a group starting with 'o'? | 18:52 |
| outer_space | by oomlout | 18:52 |
| kanzure | ah yes | 18:52 |
| kanzure | btw have you tried the san antonio hackerspace | 18:53 |
| outer_space | never heard of it | 18:53 |
| kanzure | oomlaut makes money selling those btw so you can probably look them up | 18:54 |
| outer_space | i didnt think a hackerspace could happen in san antonio | 18:54 |
| outer_space | i would buy from oomlaut but i cant find a link or a price | 18:56 |
| outer_space | plus I want a bigger one that uses cordless drill dc server-motors | 18:58 |
| kanzure | oh geeze i'm looking through the results of the iftf open fabrication workshop i attended | 19:06 |
| kanzure | they spend a lot of time talking about "DNCA" and thingiverse | 19:06 |
| kanzure | the Digital Necrophilia Copyright Act? | 19:06 |
| QuantumG | heh | 19:07 |
| kanzure | i'm "not supposed to distribute this" | 19:08 |
| kanzure | so get in line.. you know the drill | 19:08 |
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| outer_space | sa hackerspace has a few cordless drills and a drill press | 19:10 |
| outer_space | i need a CNC do we have computers in san antonio or what | 19:10 |
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| outer_space | they dont even have a cnc on their wishlist | 19:11 |
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| outer_space | my dad's garage is a better hackerspace than this | 19:12 |
| kanzure | yes some of these hackerspaces are pretty sad | 19:25 |
| kanzure | fenn: there's a group of people at noisebridge doing biology stuff now.. you should go say hi | 19:25 |
| kanzure | (the bioboard stuff that i ignored) | 19:25 |
| outer_space | so is there a cnc somewhere in austin that i could pay to use or pay someone to use? | 19:39 |
| QuantumG | try http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Austin | 19:43 |
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| kanzure | this was exactly what it was like at the fbi today | 19:50 |
| kanzure | including the black agent | 19:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMk1W9jE4xs#t=30 | 19:50 |
| outer_space | so there only 1 hackerspace in austin that has a cnc and its "<100% working" ? | 19:52 |
| kanzure | uh well i have a bridgeport available | 19:52 |
| kanzure | but i'm sort of on the wrong side of the continent | 19:53 |
| kanzure | at the moment | 19:53 |
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| QuantumG | why is that even up? | 20:20 |
| QuantumG | like, was there a point to uploading that? | 20:20 |
| QuantumG | it just seems like the most mundane bit of sci-fi ever | 20:20 |
| QuantumG | <character introduction> <plot vehicle> <obvious dilemma> roll intro credits | 20:21 |
| outer_space | is there a cnc anywhere in texas? | 20:25 |
| QuantumG | you know there's hundreds of them right? It's just that people use them for *manufacturing business* and don't generally allow random people access to them. | 20:29 |
| QuantumG | try a tech college or something | 20:29 |
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| kanzure | rob pointed me to basically | 21:10 |
| kanzure | http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/04/gene-synthesis-costs-have-been-slower.html | 21:10 |
| kanzure | "135 pages of supplemental material - High-fidelity gene synthesis by retrieval of sequence-verified DNA identified using high-throughput pyrosequencing" | 21:10 |
| kanzure | those numbers seem to be all over the place | 21:13 |
| kanzure | http://omicsomics.blogspot.com/2011/02/will-cheap-gene-synthesis-squelch.html | 21:14 |
| kanzure | apparently one of the 20under20 kids is working on this, but i forget which | 21:16 |
| kanzure | http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/8/2514.long | 21:17 |
| kanzure | "In this work, we describe a microfluidic platform for parallel solid phase synthesis of oligonucleotides that can greatly reduce the cost of gene synthesis by reducing reagent consumption (by 100-fold) while maintaining a ~100 pmol synthesis scale." | 21:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.reddit.com/r/nootropics looks less active than imminst.org | 21:28 |
| kanzure | someone should make a nootstack.org site to rate nootropic stacks. everyone posts the same questions everywhere except it's not organized. and it should be. | 21:30 |
| foucist | kanzure: a stack overflow type site for noots? | 21:36 |
| foucist | i like that idea! | 21:37 |
| kanzure | apparently they raided this guy's place a while back | 21:38 |
| kanzure | found lentiviral engineering going on | 21:38 |
| kanzure | district attorney decided not to press any charges.. nothing they could do after that | 21:39 |
| kanzure | okay here are my notes from today | 21:45 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/2011-07-13-diybio-fbi-notes.txt | 21:45 |
| kanzure | i'll push my commits later.. but for now there's that | 21:46 |
| kanzure | wonder where this came from http://mass-customization.blogs.com/files/tseng-2010-open-manufacturing.pdf | 22:20 |
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| kanzure | welcome back superkuh | 23:11 |
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