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| epitron | you need a hacker keyboard dood | 00:47 |
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| kanzure | hi foucist | 08:08 |
| kanzure | http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/2011/07/24/aaron-swartz-v-united-states/ | 08:22 |
| kanzure | "JSTOR claims no interest in pursuing a legal case." this is what strikes me as the most odd. | 08:22 |
| kanzure | it's quite common for multiple claims to be filed at once.. jstor could easily pay a few k's to a lawyer to write up some additional bologna to add to the lawsuit | 08:23 |
| mjr | they probably don't want more pr hassle | 08:24 |
| kanzure | "JSTOR, for the most part, says the milk was returned--Swartz gave back the downloaded data" | 08:27 |
| archels | hahaha, that makes perfect sense. | 08:28 |
| Juul | 410 seeders :) | 08:38 |
| kanzure | Juul: link to the torrent please? | 08:39 |
| Juul | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6554331 | 08:39 |
| Juul | apparently Archive Team has thrown their resources at it as well | 08:40 |
| kanzure | ah good | 08:40 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: is that something you'd feel ok seeding? | 08:41 |
| Juul | I wonder how much storage we'd need to store all scientific articles every published | 08:42 |
| kanzure | not much | 08:43 |
| Juul | probably not | 08:43 |
| kanzure | let's be more specific and say all accessible papers | 08:43 |
| Juul | accessible? | 08:43 |
| kanzure | and let's also say that each paper is on average 0.5 MB | 08:43 |
| kanzure | with 100 million papers that's only 50 terabytes | 08:44 |
| Juul | nice Fermi calculation | 08:44 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure the number should be less than 100 million though.. | 08:45 |
| Juul | my store of biotech papers averages to about 1.2 megabytes per paper | 08:45 |
| kanzure | are these plaintext or scans | 08:46 |
| Juul | a few are scans and those are definitely the reason the average is so high | 08:47 |
| kanzure | i think we can assume anything in postscript is probably plaintext | 08:47 |
| Juul | http://duncan.hull.name/2010/07/15/fifty-million/ | 08:47 |
| kanzure | anything in pdf from before 1998 can be assumed to be a raw scan | 08:47 |
| kanzure | actually it might be possible to figure out if a pdf is a raw scan from the metadata and looking at the }\ Producer line | 08:48 |
| Juul | what did you mean by "accessible" papers? | 08:49 |
| kanzure | stuff you could download | 08:49 |
| Juul | ah | 08:49 |
| kanzure | not stuff you'd need to do business deals for | 08:49 |
| Juul | when I order a scan of an old article (through my uni) it takes 2-3 days for me to get the scan | 08:51 |
| Juul | which leads me to think that there are articles that haven't been digitally archived | 08:51 |
| kanzure | yup many | 08:51 |
| kanzure | or many that have been archived but that nobody has access to | 08:51 |
| Juul | hm | 08:52 |
| kanzure | i have some code laying around here for removing "obvious" "watermarks" from pdf files | 08:52 |
| Juul | :) | 08:52 |
| kanzure | but i need to talk with someone more versed in steganography to help figure out if there are other fingerprints or watermarks involved | 08:52 |
| kanzure | come to think of it.. if there are hidden messages maybe re-saving the same content into another pdf would jumble the bits well enough | 08:53 |
| Juul | some watermarking techniques, for e.g. images, can survive that you take a screenshot and recompress into e.g. jpg again | 08:54 |
| Juul | but i believe there is image watermark removal software out there | 08:54 |
| kanzure | well the watermarks that i've found aren't really watermarks.. | 08:54 |
| kanzure | like the "DOWNLOADED BY IP 127.0.0.1" in the margins | 08:54 |
| Juul | ah yes | 08:54 |
| kanzure | or the document id in the xml metadata | 08:55 |
| Juul | it would be a good idea to download the same thing from two separate accounts and diff | 08:55 |
| Juul | that would show account-dependant watermarks | 08:55 |
| Juul | and of course they should be downloaded from different physical locations and at different times | 08:55 |
| Juul | any other watermarks are probably not that interesting | 08:56 |
| Juul | what could they show? who created the pdf? that is probably obvious anyway | 08:56 |
| kanzure | let's try it with nature | 08:56 |
| kanzure | can you grab a copy of this? | 08:56 |
| kanzure | http://www.nature.com/nchembio/journal/v5/n4/pdf/nchembio0409-200.pdf | 08:57 |
| Juul | yeah | 08:57 |
| kanzure | oh wait nevermind i don't have access | 08:57 |
| Juul | oh | 08:58 |
| Juul | hm, I could try to go through both my local uni and lbl | 08:58 |
| Juul | but lbl IT already don't like me, so it might be a bad idea to open an ssh tunnel through there | 08:58 |
| kanzure | ok how about | 08:59 |
| kanzure | http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/9696/30604/01417936.pdf?tp=&arnumber=1417936&isnumber=30604 | 08:59 |
| kanzure | here's my version: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/01417936.pdf | 09:00 |
| Juul | hm, my university access does not seem to be working | 09:01 |
| Juul | let me try something else | 09:01 |
| Juul | ah! | 09:06 |
| Juul | got it, let me put it up | 09:08 |
| Juul | phone call, gimme a sec | 09:10 |
| Juul | here's mine: http://ven.li/17936_juul.pdf | 09:19 |
| Juul | diff says no difference | 09:21 |
| Juul | md5sum is the same for the two files | 09:22 |
| archels | I think IEEE stopped watermarking at some point, they used to do it in plain sight. | 09:28 |
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| ybit | kanzure: bradford hawkins, aware of him? | 11:14 |
| ybit | i befriended him on Mendeley because apparently I had his email address in my Gmail address book. | 11:14 |
| ybit | aha | 11:16 |
| ybit | one of the people i spammed at UCI in 2009 | 11:16 |
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| kanzure | no i don't know him | 11:20 |
| ybit | http://groups.google.com/group/sci.bio.ecology/browse_thread/thread/77885fb8c9dd3a8a/bc836a793f459b12?q=bradford+hawkins#bc836a793f459b12 | 11:22 |
| ybit | oh there we are: http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=4562 | 11:22 |
| kanzure | Synaptic pruning by microglia is necessary for normal brain development. | 11:59 |
| kanzure | http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2011/07/20/science.1202529 | 11:59 |
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| archels | microglia prune synapses? hmmm. | 12:14 |
| archels | Interesting. I always thought of synaptic pruning as endogenous to the cell, as a sort of endocytosis. Guess it can also be more of an exocytosis of a no longer needed synapse. | 12:16 |
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| kanzure | just posted a gist for my droid2png.sh scripts | 15:42 |
| kanzure | https://gist.github.com/1105435 | 15:42 |
| kanzure | sorry for their awful quality.. didn't think anyone would want them (i was wrong) | 15:43 |
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| Juul | kanzure, what's adb? | 15:55 |
| kanzure | adb is the android debug bridge | 15:59 |
| Juul | ah | 16:01 |
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| kanzure | AAAHHHHHHHHH https://github.com/jquery/jquery-mobile/issues/2060 | 20:00 |
| * kanzure throws a keyboard at the wall | 20:00 | |
| QuantumG | http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue10/CampaignRealMonopoly1.html | 20:00 |
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