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| Utopiah | Eri Gentry interviewed about BioCurious and OSCON 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyY9Rj7XhLc | 00:16 |
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| fenn | wah. backup drive's full. moar!! http://fennetic.net/irc/filemate.png | 01:57 |
| fenn | i sort of feel like i have an obligation to keep W2 at least as complete as i found it | 01:58 |
| fenn | though hopefully they learned their lesson about backups | 01:58 |
| archels | W2? | 02:53 |
| archels | I need to expand my RAID :\ | 02:53 |
| fenn | some gigantor music collection, well curated | 03:06 |
| fenn | i'm afraid to try dwarf fortress for fear of getting sucked in http://www.nzfortress.co.nz/forum/showthread.php?t=20768 | 03:06 |
| fenn | someone needs to do a lego tile set for dwarf fortress | 03:18 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: ugh don't get me started about her | 03:27 |
| kanzure | never have i seen someone gain so much publicity for doing so little.. it's really sickening | 03:33 |
| kanzure | fenn: dwarf fortress becomes drastically less fun once you realize nobody has organized an open source counterpart yet | 03:36 |
| archels | kanzure: Do you know anything about Q10 temperature factors? | 03:37 |
| kanzure | no | 03:38 |
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| kanzure | hah http://www.twilio.com/docs/client/twilio-js | 07:28 |
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| kanzure | http://www.labnol.org/internet/email/using-gmail-as-a-large-database-for-research/1797/ | 08:07 |
| kanzure | man why isn't this working yet http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/half-baked-idea-standard-machine-readable-output-for-command-line-programs/ | 08:14 |
| Lucas_ | Hey Kanzure | 08:16 |
| kanzure | hi Lucas_ | 08:21 |
| Lucas_ | did you get your magnets yet :"P | 08:21 |
| kanzure | i don't want them | 08:23 |
| Lucas_ | O.o interesting | 08:28 |
| Lucas_ | any reason why? | 08:55 |
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| fenn | dammit, i lost some little bit of paper with jonathan stark's email on it | 09:37 |
| fenn | why are these people so secret they cant even post who works at the company | 09:37 |
| fenn | oh here we go, wrong pocket | 09:40 |
| fenn | hehee that only took an hour to resolve | 09:40 |
| kanzure | zwisk@users.sourceforge.net .. as if that'll work | 09:40 |
| fenn | yes i have that already | 09:40 |
| fenn | jonathan.stark@.. | 09:40 |
| kanzure | how quaint | 09:41 |
| fenn | i guess he wasn't invited to the meeting where they all picked single letter emails | 09:41 |
| kanzure | oh no that's only the cool kids | 09:42 |
| kanzure | only the cool kids have indistinguishable email addresses | 09:42 |
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| kanzure | hi Guest80028 | 09:50 |
| Guest80028 | hello | 09:50 |
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| fenn | weird, did you know anissimov was doing web dev for halcyon? | 10:24 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:26 |
| kanzure | he's pretty bad at it | 10:26 |
| kanzure | i can't count the number of times i've cracked his sites on my fingers :( | 10:27 |
| kanzure | to be fair halcyon doesn't exactly need a good website at this point | 10:27 |
| fenn | hum http://www.charlotteandwolfgang.com/history.html | 10:29 |
| kanzure | lehrach? | 10:29 |
| fenn | the lengths i go to just to find out peoples' last names... | 10:30 |
| kanzure | try linkedin | 10:30 |
| fenn | linkedin blows | 10:31 |
| kanzure | yes but they list out the majority of the employees | 10:31 |
| kanzure | http://www.linkedin.com/company/774191?trk=tyah | 10:31 |
| fenn | how do i even search for a company on linkedin? | 10:31 |
| kanzure | their search box | 10:31 |
| fenn | er, nevermind | 10:31 |
| fenn | for some reason this was much harder before | 10:32 |
| kanzure | are you sure that's not charlotte bowell | 10:32 |
| fenn | it certainly looks like the same person | 10:33 |
| * fenn assigns 95% confidence to the assertion | 10:34 | |
| fenn | less than a year eh | 10:36 |
| kanzure | sequence everything -> live forever | 10:36 |
| kanzure | sequence everything -> live forever | 10:36 |
| kanzure | i would very much enjoy sequencing everything and living forever, but i do think the strategy needs some work | 10:37 |
| fenn | i agree | 10:37 |
| fenn | they're too physics-heavy and not enough biology imho | 10:38 |
| kanzure | did you see how they stretch dna? pretty cool | 10:39 |
| kanzure | but they admitted "we really have no clue how this works, so we just do it a bunch of times until it does what we want" | 10:39 |
| fenn | eh? it's not a mystery, surface tension | 10:39 |
| fenn | i knew that before going there | 10:39 |
| kanzure | (i thought they had a chemical method, or that they ditched their water-based approach) | 10:40 |
| fenn | weirdly enough, one of my girlfriend's roomates is a chemist at halcyon | 10:41 |
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| kanzure | "I hacked together this RoR site over the weekend" makes me think, "You used a popular, well documented website building framework for it's intended purpose... how exactly is this hacking?" | 13:01 |
| kanzure | haha | 13:01 |
| uniqanomaly | anyone seen lumos lately? | 14:11 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did you figure out if cron is running | 15:13 |
| kanzure | gary wolf just responded to me | 15:31 |
| kanzure | from my email of.. a week ago? ha | 15:31 |
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| kanzure | http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/against.htm | 18:21 |
| kanzure | "It is common to argue that intellectual property in the form of copyright and patent is necessary for the innovation and creation of ideas and inventions such as machines, drugs, computer software, books, music, literature and movies. In fact intellectual property is not like ordinary property at all, but constitutes a government grant of a costly and dangerous private monopoly over ideas." | 18:21 |
| kanzure | "We show through theory and example that intellectual monopoly is not neccesary for innovation and as a practical matter is damaging to growth, prosperity and liberty." | 18:21 |
| QuantumG | do you see the logical fallacy in that argument? | 18:26 |
| kanzure | i wasn't really reading it | 18:27 |
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| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/thrust/ | 18:47 |
| kanzure | "Survey of In Situ Resource Utilization for Lunar Colonization" http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar_resources/documents/13_0IntegratedISRUPresenta.pdf | 19:01 |
| QuantumG | the link doesn't match the title | 19:16 |
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| foucist | QuantumG: so you're pro- | 20:05 |
| foucist | IP | 20:06 |
| foucist | QuantumG: so you're pro-IP? | 20:06 |
| QuantumG | did I say that? | 20:06 |
| fenn | re: cron; mattyg helped me a little last night and it turns out i needed #!/bin/bash in addition to the filename change etc, and it's still not working but at least the script is running | 20:08 |
| QuantumG | whether or not I agree with the sentiment, recognizing that this moron can't make a legitimate argument is important. | 20:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: still not working hrm | 20:09 |
| kanzure | so it sounds like he didn't help much | 20:09 |
| kanzure | even you knew about the bash bangs at the start of scripts | 20:09 |
| fenn | yeah but he made the suggestion "try running it as root" | 20:11 |
| fenn | it failed when run as root, "no such file or directory" | 20:11 |
| fenn | that confused me for a bit | 20:11 |
| fenn | the script was obviously there | 20:12 |
| kanzure | Is cron working? ---> Try: * * * * * /bin/echo "foobar" >> /file_you_own and make sure it works. | 20:14 |
| kanzure | Can cron run your job? ---> Check the cron log, usually /var/log/cron.log or /var/log/messages for errors | 20:14 |
| kanzure | Is your command working? ---> Try: * * * * * /bin/foobar > /file_you_own 2>&1 and look for errors in /file_you_own | 20:15 |
| kanzure | or * * * * * wall test | 20:15 |
| fenn | yes, yes, no | 20:17 |
| fenn | and there is no cron.log | 20:17 |
| kanzure | hmm | 20:17 |
| kanzure | cron -L sets loglevel | 20:18 |
| kanzure | oh that doesn't seem helpful | 20:18 |
| fenn | okay i know why it's not working; i su to fenn and then it does nothing, and exits, and then runs the rest of the script as root (instead of running it as fenn) | 20:27 |
| fenn | so i'm just going to use fenn's crontab instead | 20:27 |
| kanzure | "and then runs the rest of the script" ? | 20:27 |
| fenn | su seems kinda useless in a script if you can't run commands as another user | 20:27 |
| fenn | sorry, s/i su/the script su/ | 20:28 |
| kanzure | huh. | 20:28 |
| kanzure | so why does running as root break it? | 20:28 |
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| fenn | because i need my ssh keys to scp stuff | 20:32 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. it seems no amount of rational argument can make Americans understand what the word "default" means and why it is impossible for the federal government to do so. | 20:44 |
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