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| Lucas_ | Good morning | 05:36 |
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| kanzure | hi thesnark | 07:18 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure | 07:20 |
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| kanzure | mac and brain degger are in switzerland | 09:14 |
| kanzure | visiting http://hackteria.org/ | 09:14 |
| kanzure | what is bioarduino | 09:14 |
| kanzure | "Dear Constituent," | 09:24 |
| kanzure | "These protections are also important to future growth and employment in important U.S. industries." | 09:24 |
| kanzure | "Protecting intellectual property is more challenging than ever before. Among other things, high speed broadband enables access to the entire catalog of movies, music, books, television, and technology." | 09:25 |
| kanzure | i wish i had access to the entire catalog of technology :( | 09:25 |
| kanzure | stalk stalk stalk http://hackteria.org/wiki/index.php/HackteriaLab_2011_Participants | 09:25 |
| kanzure | huh tinkercad.com is hiring | 09:26 |
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| kanzure | Juul: http://www.am2011denmark.com/ | 09:46 |
| foucist | kanzure: grr.. shitty site, i have no idea what it's for. and am = august meeting. . that sure doesn't help | 09:49 |
| kanzure | foucist: check one of the subpages.. anyway, i assume marc can figure out wtf it is because it's from his terf | 09:51 |
| kanzure | "Kapitän Biopunk" what? | 09:51 |
| kanzure | foucist: i'm thinking of visiting http://natural-fiber.com/ | 09:51 |
| kanzure | Kapitän Biopunk http://vimeo.com/25495671 | 09:52 |
| foucist | kanzure: looks cool | 09:54 |
| foucist | kanzure: i'd be intereseted in going but maybe not till mid-sept or later | 09:54 |
| kanzure | foucist: i forget, have you checked out http://hackerspace.sg/ in person? | 09:54 |
| foucist | no | 09:55 |
| foucist | didn't know about it | 09:55 |
| foucist | never been to any hackerspace | 09:55 |
| Juul | kanzure, thanks, haven't heard of it before | 09:55 |
| kanzure | i think there's also http://ciant.cz/ nearby | 09:56 |
| foucist | .cz ? what country? | 09:56 |
| kanzure | international | 09:56 |
| foucist | erm, czech.. | 09:56 |
| foucist | but you're saying there's a branch in asia? | 09:57 |
| kanzure | in vietnam actually | 09:57 |
| foucist | ah | 09:57 |
| foucist | kanzure: lemme know what dates you might want to travel around and/or how long you'll be in asia | 09:57 |
| foucist | when you get that figured out.. | 09:57 |
| kanzure | yep gotta buy some tickets first | 09:57 |
| kanzure | http://www.kampot.org/ | 09:58 |
| kanzure | http://www.hackerspacepp.org/ | 09:58 |
| foucist | kanzure: but i just paid for a 2 month thai tourist visa so i'm not keen on leaving before the 2 months is up.. gotta get my value out of it :P | 09:58 |
| kanzure | http://hackerspace.my/ | 09:58 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspace-johor-bahru | 09:58 |
| foucist | cool, i was in phnom penh reca few weeks ago heh | 09:59 |
| foucist | -rec | 09:59 |
| foucist | oh fucking nice.. there's a hackerspace really near where i'm living.. | 10:00 |
| foucist | 15 min walk away maybe | 10:00 |
| foucist | oh, it's closed | 10:00 |
| foucist | hmm | 10:00 |
| kanzure | where? | 10:00 |
| kanzure | i thought you were in bangkok | 10:00 |
| kanzure | oh.. bangspace? | 10:01 |
| kanzure | http://bangspace.org/ | 10:01 |
| kanzure | foucist: /join #hackerspacebkk | 10:01 |
| kanzure | "Bangspace is no longer an active Hackerspace due to several reasons. However, there is a group working to setup a new Hackerspace in Bangkok." | 10:02 |
| foucist | yeah | 10:02 |
| kanzure | yeah you should hang out with those people though | 10:02 |
| foucist | the ekkamai location would've been nice.. i 've been looking for virtual office/coworking space without much luck | 10:02 |
| kanzure | http://godhack.org/ | 10:03 |
| kanzure | http://teknonesia.com/ hah | 10:04 |
| kanzure | there's igem-bangalore and diybio-bangalore but that's a ways.. | 10:06 |
| kanzure | or http://www.symbiotica.uwa.edu.au/activities/exhibitions if australia is a good idea | 10:06 |
| foucist | heh | 10:08 |
| foucist | kanzure: i highly recommend skyscanner.com for finding the cheapest flights out of any given airport | 10:09 |
| foucist | kanzure: example: http://www.skyscanner.com/flights-from/bkk/cheapest-flights-from-bangkok-suvarnabhumi.html?rtn=0 | 10:10 |
| foucist | so basically, you could easily compare a bunch of different flight paths to various cities/countries | 10:10 |
| foucist | and cobble together a multi-city/country itinerary for extremely reasonable prices.. | 10:11 |
| foucist | kanzure: at one point i was looking at something like bkk -> vietnam -> philippines -> malaysia -> indonesia -> malaysia -> bkk for less than $300 total | 10:11 |
| foucist | you need to buy a visa for vietnam though | 10:12 |
| foucist | the other countries you can just show up | 10:12 |
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| kanzure | foucist: "just show up" nice | 10:36 |
| foucist | yeah, visa exemption | 10:39 |
| foucist | philippines is 21 days, most other places are 30 days | 10:39 |
| foucist | some are more | 10:39 |
| foucist | all you need is proof of an onward ticket | 10:40 |
| foucist | (airline typically checks.. customs rarely bothers) | 10:40 |
| foucist | kanzure: when i first went to philippines, i literally flew there one-way from canada, and bought a throwaway onward ticket for $25 | 10:41 |
| foucist | and bought it for 6 months in the future | 10:41 |
| foucist | or a year in the future | 10:41 |
| foucist | something liek that | 10:41 |
| foucist | (the max) | 10:41 |
| foucist | onward from philippines to indonesia | 10:42 |
| foucist | just so that i could get into the country | 10:42 |
| kanzure | hmm maybe i'll stay 30 days | 10:43 |
| kanzure | not interested in much longer though | 10:43 |
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| foucist | kanzure: so 30 days in vietnam then go back home? or would you actually visit other places? | 10:46 |
| foucist | anyways visa exemption is renewed everytime you fly in and out of a country | 10:46 |
| foucist | well except for vietnam, have to buy visa everytime i guess | 10:46 |
| kanzure | 30 days and then back home | 10:47 |
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| kanzure | i'll probably go to singapore and then mainland china at least once | 10:48 |
| foucist | kanzure: not gonna hit the fablab in indon? | 10:48 |
| foucist | natural fibers | 10:48 |
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| kanzure | gotta see.. bringing another person along so i have to arrange schedules | 10:49 |
| kanzure | or i'll just go solo | 10:49 |
| foucist | bringing another person along for fun or biz? | 10:49 |
| kanzure | biz | 10:50 |
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| technetium_s | good evening | 13:32 |
| kanzure | hi technetium_s | 13:33 |
| ybit | foucist: er.. | 13:46 |
| ybit | haven't you and i talked on okc and fbook? | 13:46 |
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| * ybit stops tinkering with aireplay, drinks some coffee, and runs to his other comp for the real fun | 13:50 | |
| kanzure | aren't you supposed to be working | 14:02 |
| kanzure | technetium_s: what brings you around? | 14:02 |
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| ybit | not today | 14:25 |
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| kanzure | saurik: any ideas on how i'd figure out how many phonegap-built apps there are in the android market? | 16:30 |
| thesnark | kanzure is appcelerator worth the performance tradeoff? | 16:31 |
| kanzure | no | 16:32 |
| kanzure | as far as i can tell, no | 16:32 |
| thesnark | ok, thought so | 16:32 |
| kanzure | i use phonegap | 16:33 |
| kanzure | similar issues.. on my phone, phonegap apps take an extra 8 seconds to boot up | 16:34 |
| kanzure | but the upside is that development time is cut by 70%+ | 16:34 |
| saurik | kanzure: I don't know. I do not believe they follow any external pattern, but I haven't really looked at all, and could easily be wrong. for onesw that were free you could possibly just download all of the apps in the market and then statically analyze them, but google might notice that and get bothered | 16:34 |
| thesnark | Yeah but whatever, people aren't going to like your app if it is too slow | 16:34 |
| kanzure | saurik: i could just download all free apps, not a big deal | 16:34 |
| kanzure | only a few hundred gigabytes at most? | 16:35 |
| saurik | oh yeah, totally feasible for you, but might raise some red flags at google | 16:35 |
| saurik | I'd be really curious to know how it goes | 16:35 |
| kanzure | :P i'll pause 5 seconds between downloads.. haha | 16:35 |
| kanzure | i'm just a REALLY over-eager consumer | 16:36 |
| thesnark | Why would Google care if you downloaded all free apps? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | because there's very few legitimate reasons to do that | 16:36 |
| kanzure | with phonegap apps you can decompile the .apk files and steal their html/javascript | 16:36 |
| thesnark | hahaha | 16:37 |
| kanzure | or read through thousands of lines of poorly written smali | 16:37 |
| thesnark | phone apps in javascript | 16:37 |
| kanzure | that's how it goes dude | 16:37 |
| kanzure | http://phonegap.com/ | 16:37 |
| kanzure | it packages up html/js into a webview for each platform | 16:37 |
| kanzure | then has a plugin architecture | 16:37 |
| kanzure | i've written a few plugins for video capturing and video playing | 16:37 |
| kanzure | for android/iphone | 16:37 |
| thesnark | I'll just stick to java for the moment | 16:38 |
| kanzure | suit yourself.. java is at least 10x more annoying | 16:38 |
| thesnark | Not if you're used to being annoyed by java | 16:38 |
| thesnark | and have perverted your own mind to enjoy it | 16:38 |
| kanzure | you disgust me sir | 16:46 |
| kanzure | :p | 17:04 |
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| thesnark | kanzure how did the office setup go? | 17:16 |
| kanzure | so far so good | 17:17 |
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| kanzure | i'm in training mode with those guys | 17:28 |
| thesnark | How many people total? | 17:36 |
| thesnark | That you're managing? | 17:36 |
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| thesnark | kanzure I need to set up a simple service to serve json objects over json | 17:40 |
| thesnark | kanzure recommendations for fastest solution? | 17:40 |
| thesnark | fastest = quickest to implement | 17:40 |
| thesnark | umm | 17:40 |
| thesnark | json objects over http | 17:40 |
| kanzure | right now three people | 17:42 |
| kanzure | json over json | 17:42 |
| thesnark | haha | 17:42 |
| kanzure | what | 17:42 |
| thesnark | I corrected myself | 17:42 |
| thesnark | json over http | 17:42 |
| kanzure | sinatra if you want to write code reaaally fast | 17:42 |
| kanzure | http://sinatrarb.com/ | 17:42 |
| thesnark | woah nice | 17:42 |
| kanzure | but it's mostly for mocking up an api | 17:43 |
| thesnark | right | 17:43 |
| kanzure | if you need to serve json from another server you could use http://jsonify.com/ which is a jsonp wrapper | 17:46 |
| kanzure | er wait | 17:46 |
| kanzure | i meant http://jsonpify.com/ | 17:47 |
| kanzure | if you're writing both servers then you should just implement jsonp on your own of course | 17:47 |
| kanzure | thesnark: what are you up to | 17:49 |
| thesnark | kanzure stock visualizer for fun and profit | 17:49 |
| kanzure | and you're feeding json into a javascript client? | 17:50 |
| thesnark | hmm | 17:50 |
| thesnark | I'm not sure if it will be javascript yet | 17:50 |
| thesnark | but yes | 17:50 |
| kanzure | most modern web ui stuff uses javascript | 17:50 |
| kanzure | i can't think of another reason you'd be writing a json http server | 17:50 |
| thesnark | sorry if this is naive, I really don't know what the js scene looks right now, but how is 3D in javascript? | 17:51 |
| kanzure | scroll down: https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/ | 17:51 |
| thesnark | That is WebGL though | 17:51 |
| kanzure | you want svg? | 17:52 |
| thesnark | I know this is retarded but I want to avoid WebGL | 17:52 |
| kanzure | well raphaeljs can do 3d svg crap | 17:52 |
| kanzure | http://raphaeljs.com/scape/ | 17:52 |
| thesnark | That is pretty nice | 17:53 |
| kanzure | ok check out http://raphaeljs.com/ | 17:54 |
| kanzure | another one is protovis http://mbostock.github.com/protovis/ex/ | 17:55 |
| thesnark | kanzure but if you think about people who trade online, a good amount of them are people using IE | 17:55 |
| thesnark | and IE doesn't support being cool or a decent web browser | 17:56 |
| thesnark | so I think flash might have to be the choice | 17:56 |
| kanzure | if you want to get people who trade.. | 17:56 |
| kanzure | write a plugin for bloomberg terminal | 17:56 |
| thesnark | that is an interesting option | 17:58 |
| kanzure | if you want to target specific people.. you have a few options | 17:58 |
| kanzure | either target people who use schwab, ameritrade, etrade, fidelity (eww) | 17:58 |
| kanzure | or target people who use interactive brokers (the api) | 17:59 |
| kanzure | nobody in that industry cares much about ui.. i mean they tolerate a lot of shit | 17:59 |
| thesnark | I guess the ultimate goal is develop a potentially novel visualization technique and sell it to somebody | 17:59 |
| thesnark | well, good to hear | 17:59 |
| kanzure | haha if you wanted to sell to art museums you could make a portrait/poster that changes a visualization based off of a portolio's performance | 18:00 |
| thesnark | haha | 18:00 |
| kanzure | but honestly i don't think visualization is as important once the metrics are identified? | 18:00 |
| thesnark | holy fuckstick, they have idea generation? | 18:00 |
| kanzure | hm? | 18:00 |
| thesnark | oh nevermind that's marketing bs | 18:00 |
| kanzure | http://interactivebrokers.com/ | 18:01 |
| kanzure | or "how bryan wasted a month and a couple hundred bucks" | 18:01 |
| kanzure | "by writing an overly-complicated python framework for trading simulation and order execution" | 18:01 |
| thesnark | whatever, fuck it | 18:04 |
| thesnark | I'll just make the goddamn thing first | 18:04 |
| thesnark | worry about which system it goes to later | 18:04 |
| kanzure | do you have someone that wants to buy it? | 18:04 |
| thesnark | No | 18:04 |
| kanzure | full stop. | 18:04 |
| thesnark | Go on | 18:04 |
| thesnark | explain, sir | 18:04 |
| kanzure | i thought you wanted to sell something to someone | 18:05 |
| kanzure | but you don't have a thing and you don't have anyone who wants to buy it | 18:05 |
| thesnark | I will have a thing | 18:05 |
| kanzure | and nobody to buy it :) | 18:05 |
| thesnark | and I will find people to sell it to | 18:05 |
| kanzure | do it the other way around | 18:05 |
| kanzure | if you become technically unable to build it, hit me up | 18:05 |
| thesnark | pride will not allow me to do that, but I appreciate the offer | 18:06 |
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| thesnark | kanzure do you have any ideas for which there are already buyers? | 18:10 |
| kanzure | ybit is on this weird bitcoin quest at the moment :( | 18:16 |
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| thesnark | gross | 18:16 |
| kanzure | thesnark: i pitched an idea to him for an automatic gift buying service | 18:16 |
| thesnark | haha | 18:16 |
| kanzure | i.e. buys a gift as a reminder 3 weeks in advance, you get it 2 days in advance | 18:16 |
| thesnark | I always enjoy your ideas...what happened with promise pyramid? | 18:16 |
| kanzure | never did anything with it.. but i don't think that one would make money ;) | 18:16 |
| thesnark | haha | 18:17 |
| kanzure | uhm, so to be honest the best way to do this is to find something that already exists and copy it if you know the size of the market | 18:18 |
| kanzure | or you can suddenly become really good at knowing about market trends before others do | 18:18 |
| thesnark | p3ramed | 18:22 |
| thesnark | mobile based app farming product | 18:23 |
| kanzure | is this an idea? | 18:23 |
| thesnark | haha | 18:23 |
| thesnark | it's from that video | 18:23 |
| thesnark | with no brandcuffs | 18:23 |
| kanzure | oh right | 18:24 |
| thesnark | How do I make as much money as kanzure? | 18:27 |
| thesnark | while being independent? | 18:27 |
| kanzure | thesnark: that's easier.. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | thesnark: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2831651 | 18:28 |
| thesnark | America, fuck yeah | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2607058 | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2503209 | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2396088 | 18:28 |
| kanzure | also, for jobs: | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2831646 | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2607052 | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2503204 | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2396027 | 18:29 |
| thesnark | ok ok I get it | 18:29 |
| ybit | thesnark: yeah... | 18:30 |
| ybit | 20:04 < kanzure> full stop. | 18:31 |
| ybit | i did the build something and they will buy it thing.. | 18:31 |
| ybit | lots of wasted time and money | 18:31 |
| thesnark | ok, I'll take that advice then | 18:31 |
| kanzure | if we combine our powers into one we could save the planet | 18:31 |
| kanzure | CAPTAIN AMERICA, FUCK YEAH! | 18:31 |
| thesnark | he's right | 18:31 |
| ybit | HEART!!1 | 18:31 |
| thesnark | hahah | 18:32 |
| thesnark | FIRE? | 18:32 |
| kanzure | LOVE!! :( | 18:32 |
| thesnark | hahaha | 18:32 |
| ybit | the guy who said heart is too funny :D | 18:32 |
| ybit | i would have wet my pants if captain america were to say 'fuck yeah' | 18:33 |
| ybit | scariest thing around that time for me were hand puppet dragons | 18:33 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI | 18:34 |
| foucist | ybit: why would a hetero guy like me talk to you on a dating site like okcupid? :P | 18:35 |
| kanzure | foucist: i use okcupid for hiring and meeting brofriends | 18:35 |
| kanzure | nobody in their right mind uses okcupid for dating | 18:35 |
| thesnark | hahaha | 18:35 |
| kanzure | 1) bitches be fucking nuts | 18:35 |
| ybit | because it's a quick way to find other transhumanist thugs | 18:35 |
| thesnark | sad truth - kanzure is actually correct | 18:36 |
| kanzure | 2) nobody uses dating sites if they are legitimately in the dating pool | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i wrote an okcupid scraper because i'm crazy | 18:36 |
| thesnark | hahahahaha | 18:36 |
| thesnark | an okcupid scraper | 18:36 |
| thesnark | that is awesome | 18:36 |
| foucist | i haven't tried okcupid so i don't know how "social" it is like | 18:36 |
| kanzure | yeah | 18:36 |
| kanzure | foucist: same as any other dating site.. huge asymmetry | 18:36 |
| QuantumG | 1 is a universal truth.. and 2 has been false for the last 5 years. Some ridiculous amount of people meet through online dating sites now. It's nuts. | 18:37 |
| thesnark | wtf do you do with okcupid data? | 18:37 |
| kanzure | girls receive 50x messages | 18:37 |
| kanzure | thesnark: hiring | 18:37 |
| kanzure | i was hiring based on personality traits i'd find desirable | 18:37 |
| ybit | i stalked 10 okc girls because i'm crazy | 18:37 |
| ybit | okay that was a joke, now i just feel bad for saying it :P | 18:37 |
| kanzure | thesnark: someone else said he was making up fake profiles of hot babes so that he could focus on the real girls in his area | 18:37 |
| QuantumG | but then there's number 3: human relationships suck, you're better off alone and productive. | 18:37 |
| kanzure | aww someone is jaded | 18:38 |
| kanzure | and/or hasn't been laid in a while | 18:38 |
| QuantumG | no, married :) | 18:38 |
| kanzure | ok so again hasn't been laid in a while | 18:38 |
| ybit | i've met 1 girl on okc this entire time | 18:38 |
| kanzure | thesnark: do you remember my pitch for the okcupid mechanical turk thing | 18:38 |
| kanzure | where you'd pay $50 for 5000 messages to girls | 18:38 |
| kanzure | because the response rates are so god awful | 18:39 |
| foucist | QuantumG: i hope she doesn't tolerate your knowitall attitude one bit :P | 18:39 |
| kanzure | she's probably queen of the knowitalls | 18:39 |
| ybit | i told her that it wouldn't work but we've become decent friends since | 18:39 |
| kanzure | Queen Knowitalz | 18:39 |
| QuantumG | of course not, like all women she knows everything.. you can't out-knowitall a woman. | 18:39 |
| ybit | geology major, was at stanford using SHRIMP last week | 18:40 |
| ybit | then there's this guy from the phillipines whom i thought foucist was | 18:40 |
| ybit | and that's my okc xp | 18:40 |
| kanzure | so anyway, no i don't suggest dating sites | 18:41 |
| kanzure | besides they have this retarded incubation period where nothing happens for like a year | 18:41 |
| ybit | i suggest money if you want a date | 18:42 |
| kanzure | because it requires social effects to become popular | 18:42 |
| ybit | i only charge $5k too | 18:42 |
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| thesnark | Fuck what am I doing in this small town | 18:45 |
| kanzure | thesnark: so what's your situation | 18:45 |
| kanzure | looking to make something? | 18:45 |
| kanzure | or need a payoff in a short time frame? | 18:45 |
| thesnark | kanzure I'm looking to start a career as a tech entrepreneur | 18:45 |
| kanzure | okay so i hate to break the obvious but all three of you should just team up on one of our shared interests | 18:47 |
| kanzure | and do a project | 18:47 |
| foucist | ybit: i'm from canada | 18:47 |
| thesnark | I agree strongly | 18:47 |
| kanzure | you guys know each other (sorta) | 18:47 |
| foucist | kanzure: okc has an incubation period? | 18:47 |
| kanzure | foucist: no i mean.. you know, social viral bullshit | 18:47 |
| kanzure | "my site will go viral!!!" | 18:47 |
| foucist | oh | 18:47 |
| thesnark | kanzure I was actually thinking you and I should do a project | 18:48 |
| thesnark | you have experience and I am actually a decent coder | 18:48 |
| QuantumG | free idea: a 3d printer that is fast enough, robust enough and folds up into a carry case for on-site use by tradesmen | 18:48 |
| kanzure | thesnark: yep | 18:48 |
| ybit | thesnark: what's your lang? | 18:48 |
| QuantumG | probably need "cheap enough" in there too | 18:48 |
| ybit | i'm on a bitcoin kick right now | 18:49 |
| foucist | ybit: buying bitcoin? | 18:49 |
| thesnark | ybit I dunno, past a point it doesn't matter but I have java experience, python... | 18:49 |
| ybit | and selling | 18:49 |
| thesnark | I mean I can learn without too much trouble | 18:49 |
| ybit | weeee | 18:49 |
| foucist | ybit: i got into it but then went travleling for a couple weeks and find it's all down and shit | 18:49 |
| foucist | makign me sad how low namecoins & bitcoins are heh | 18:50 |
| foucist | we need another run up | 18:50 |
| ybit | i guess you are referring mybitcoin | 18:50 |
| ybit | referring +to | 18:50 |
| ybit | oh, the actual value | 18:50 |
| ybit | Read 3249 packets (got 0 ARP requests and 32 ACKs), sent 0 packets...(0 pps) | 18:51 |
| ybit | i suck at this | 18:51 |
| ybit | oh, i see, got it | 18:52 |
| * ybit skips over to his other comp | 18:52 | |
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| kanzure | if you guys give me a day or two i'll remember a few ideas | 18:54 |
| thesnark | kanzure cool | 18:54 |
| kanzure | gitduino is neat and all but it won't make money in the near future | 18:54 |
| foucist | ybit: i htink there must be a ton of bots using the mtgox api these days | 18:55 |
| kanzure | and the password recovery stuff has way too many security concerns for it to be interesting | 18:55 |
| kanzure | actually.. the password recovery work hits on the shared interests in scraping | 18:55 |
| foucist | given how non-volatile it's been for awhile now | 18:55 |
| kanzure | academic paper scraping would be another fun one | 18:56 |
| kanzure | (the angle would be a dumb mendeley buyout or something) | 18:56 |
| ybit | i know another open manufacturing/btc guy looking to get into a project for the next 3-4 weeks | 18:56 |
| ybit | met him in #español and he's only 2 hours away from me in hsv | 18:57 |
| kanzure | if a mendeley buyout is interesting i could just ask those guys what they need to buy | 18:57 |
| ybit | er, #espanol | 18:57 |
| thesnark | kanzure if you have a guaranteed buyer that is always interesting | 18:57 |
| foucist | buyer for what | 18:58 |
| kanzure | doesn't matter as long as they buy it | 18:58 |
| foucist | QuantumG: free idea ipad app + ruggedized ipad for onsite construction - include CAD files, visualization of structure, make it easy to change dimensions on the fly and get correct dimensions back, checklist to prevent forgetting crucial steps etc | 18:59 |
| QuantumG | yeah, I remember talking with someone on here about that.. probably you. | 19:00 |
| kanzure | ruggedized ipad 3D viewer would be very easy to do | 19:01 |
| foucist | kanzure: ideally it hsould be more than a viewer.. it's very common to need to make changes during construction | 19:01 |
| kanzure | yes but cad apps suck your soul away | 19:01 |
| foucist | yeah | 19:02 |
| foucist | a viewer is a good start though | 19:02 |
| foucist | viewer & checklist | 19:02 |
| foucist | i spent 6 months last year building a house with my old man | 19:02 |
| foucist | & his biz partner | 19:02 |
| kanzure | yeah i sorta have access to the manufacturing capacity for that | 19:03 |
| foucist | it was kind of annoying how much calculation they did on site | 19:03 |
| kanzure | a dwg viewer would be easy to do | 19:03 |
| foucist | construction plans are actually rather crappy | 19:03 |
| foucist | and don't give much dimension info etc | 19:03 |
| foucist | on specifics, usually you can work it out | 19:03 |
| foucist | but that seems inefficient to me | 19:03 |
| foucist | and error prone | 19:03 |
| kanzure | i don't have any sales channels for that | 19:04 |
| kanzure | done: | 19:04 |
| kanzure | http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20072013-251/panasonic-toughbook-android-tablet-due-this-year/ | 19:04 |
| foucist | back in 2001 i worked with solid edge for a company, awesome 3d cad program, you could easily fix dimensions to lines and have the rest of the lines snap into place | 19:04 |
| kanzure | SolidEdge? | 19:05 |
| kanzure | holy shit | 19:05 |
| kanzure | weren't they licensing from parasolid/siemens? | 19:05 |
| foucist | no idea? | 19:05 |
| foucist | pricey program though | 19:05 |
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| foucist | but man it was light years ahead of autocad back then | 19:05 |
| kanzure | yeah solidworks too ;) | 19:05 |
| kanzure | alibre is like that now as well | 19:05 |
| foucist | i also learned autocad 2007/008 but it barely compares | 19:06 |
| kanzure | http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2011/04/autocad-ws-mobile-for-android-is-available.html | 19:06 |
| kanzure | http://www.talon-designs.net/mobile.htm | 19:06 |
| foucist | i mean autocad 07/08 has decent 3d | 19:06 |
| foucist | but nothing like the ease of solidedge 2001 heh | 19:06 |
| kanzure | are you on good terms with them | 19:07 |
| foucist | good terms with who? | 19:07 |
| kanzure | solidedge | 19:07 |
| foucist | no, i don't know the actual company | 19:07 |
| kanzure | oh i see now | 19:07 |
| foucist | i was working for a mobile shelf company | 19:07 |
| kanzure | you used the software | 19:07 |
| foucist | yep | 19:07 |
| kanzure | i hate you now | 19:08 |
| kanzure | you had my hopes soo high | 19:08 |
| foucist | heh | 19:08 |
| kanzure | but now.. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | just no | 19:08 |
| thesnark | haha, they are selling a broken screen app | 19:08 |
| foucist | kanzure: we could take ipads, replace the screens with the rhino ones, that kind of thing | 19:10 |
| foucist | rubberize the rest of it | 19:10 |
| foucist | dust-proof/ waterproof.. | 19:10 |
| kanzure | doesn't matter who are you selling it to? | 19:10 |
| foucist | hmm? talking construction site? | 19:11 |
| kanzure | yeah but do you know any construction foremen or construction company owners | 19:11 |
| foucist | my dad & his biz partner do | 19:11 |
| kanzure | do they have money | 19:11 |
| thesnark | oh hey | 19:12 |
| ybit | time for the chop chop | 19:12 |
| foucist | kanzure: it might be hard to sell the ipad for $2000 if that's what you mean :P | 19:12 |
| kanzure | foucist: link us | 19:12 |
| foucist | got not links | 19:13 |
| foucist | no* | 19:13 |
| kanzure | what?? | 19:13 |
| kanzure | a construction company with no website | 19:13 |
| kanzure | well ok | 19:13 |
| kanzure | what size is the company? | 19:13 |
| foucist | you asked me if i know any foremen etc | 19:14 |
| foucist | i said they know some.. i didn't say they have any lol | 19:14 |
| kanzure | yeah.. the way this would work is: | 19:14 |
| kanzure | 1) you pass along some info, | 19:15 |
| kanzure | 2) we meet up for coffee or whatever | 19:15 |
| kanzure | 3) we show some design docs and screenshots via email to them | 19:15 |
| kanzure | 4) they sign on the dotted line and we show up in person with the ruggedized tablet | 19:15 |
| foucist | kanzure: you mean bohemian? | 19:16 |
| foucist | kanzure: i'm thinking more along the lines of | 19:16 |
| kanzure | no i don't mean bohemian | 19:17 |
| foucist | 1) launch site/kickstarter/whatever describing design etc | 19:17 |
| kanzure | if the project required 10-15 people maybe.. :P | 19:17 |
| foucist | 2) collect sufficient quantity of interested people | 19:17 |
| kanzure | yeah that's no good | 19:17 |
| foucist | 3) even better, make presales | 19:17 |
| foucist | 4) build it | 19:17 |
| kanzure | kickstarter is not a business plan | 19:17 |
| thesnark | ^ | 19:18 |
| foucist | fine.. site + presales.. good enough for you? | 19:18 |
| kanzure | "presales" aka know someone who owns a construction company | 19:18 |
| kanzure | oh also, construction biz only rents equipment | 19:18 |
| kanzure | so you'd make them rent the pads | 19:18 |
| foucist | yeah | 19:19 |
| kanzure | hah | 19:19 |
| kanzure | well anyway | 19:22 |
| * thesnark has to go | 19:22 | |
| kanzure | cya thesnark | 19:22 |
| thesnark | kanzure please keep me updated if you come up with anything substantial | 19:22 |
| thesnark | kanzure also whatever ideas you can remember will be cool too | 19:22 |
| kanzure | i'll remember something important i'm sure | 19:22 |
| thesnark | awesome | 19:22 |
| thesnark | bye all | 19:22 |
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| kanzure | "I've often wondered what's the commercial and political mechanism that controls patent legislation and the lifetime of a patent. I mean, we're still at a mere 17 years with patents but Mickey Mouse is at roughly 95 years by now. Why is it worth lobbying for copyright extensions but not patent lifetime extensions?" | 20:25 |
| kanzure | oh wordpress <3 http://markmaunder.com/2011/zero-day-vulnerability-in-many-wordpress-themes/ | 20:28 |
| QuantumG | when you consider that vast numbers of people have given complete control of the twitter accounts to wordpress, (including the ability to see their plaintext password), that's pretty scary. | 20:40 |
| QuantumG | s/the/their/ | 20:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/search?q=Alucar+shell | 21:30 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: ^poke | 21:35 |
| QuantumG | ya | 21:35 |
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